Who is going to get the arm band?
Kanta, Nev?
If it's Roundabout I will personally jump the fence to give Stubbins a right slapping.
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Who is going to get the arm band?
Kanta, Nev?
If it's Roundabout I will personally jump the fence to give Stubbins a right slapping.
These 5 new signings.
Assuming they pan out what say a complete lack of support from the fans towards them???
They are basically replacing the other 4 and Griff who got sacked and supporting them is almost as good as supporting the Tinkler regime.
Almost like non union "Scab" labour crossing the picket line at a strike in my eyes
Absolutely not. It's not their faults, not in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Maybe you could consider them idiots for willingly signing up to a team managed by Stubbins + Tinkler, but other than that they're just doing their job, trying to make it in the footballing world.
Also, if we get behind them maybe a moment like this will happen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6E4Oy6pFKQ
Yeah but we are on Eddie Martel's side in thisQuote:
Originally Posted by pv4
No - don't take it out on any replacements, they may actually want to help (although they are probably yes men).
Make Reegz captain....failing that, Kanta.
We'll "end up with" a shithouse team? My god, have you not been watching this season? How can it possibly get worse on-field. I'm on Tinklers side on this. We wanted a broom through the place. Well we got our ****ing broom yet ppl still complain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Funny that the players that have been sacked are the only ones with real experience at playing at a well managed club under a manager with ability. Get rid of them and the kids that are left will know no different from the debacle that exists and will be too scared to complain.
Don't fix the squeaky wheel Phil, throw it away and run with the low speed spare.
I would say they also probably were the 5 biggest wage ?!!!! Funny that!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Mr Statsman - how many goals have been scored this season by players still at the club? And assists?
The broom is suitable if the players you have are out of their depth when being used property. Stubbins has demonstrated poor tactical knowledge, puzzling (at best) selections, confounding substitutions and no ability to assess a match as it progresses and make changes to tactics or set up. I believe that the players we had, used properly, would have been far more competitive. I can't believe I an going the say this but I think GVE would have achieved more with this group. I'm certain Zane would have been better than Stubbins.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
Yup totally agree. If Dundee took over and appointed a coach, then did the exact same thing and put the broom through the backroom staff and squad this would be seen as a necessary step in revitalising the team and starting a fresh. I don't have any faith in Stubbins but he is right when he said our top paid players are not providing anywhere near value for money. Getting rid of them now when the season is over will at least provide opportunities to youth team players for the rest of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
7 goals (Edson and Jeronimo with 3, Nev with 1)Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
6 Assists (Hoole with 2, Nev, pepper, regan and Neumann with 1)
We've lost 5 goals and 5 assists
7 out 12 goals from ayers remaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
22 of our 42 cards have come from those who are no longer with us.
But it all hinges on who is holding the broom, innit.Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
That is the issue we all have at the moment.
It's not like we're seeing a Postecoglu-style cleanout that we have confidence will see rewards. We have three people (Tinkler, Stubbins, Bridges) wielding the broom, and those three are people that no A-League club would dare touch.
7 out 12 goals from players remaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
22 of our 42 cards have come from those who are no longer with us.
So in essence we've sacked half of our starting lineup, and have therefore sacked half of our output.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
I wonder if we expect better output from the half a team we need to bring in to replace the guys we let go.
Nothing wrong with the idea of a broom through the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
Big issue is I don't see Tinkler/Stubbins here next season.
As a result all I see is damage being done maliciously to the club with the agenda of causing mayhem and suffering.
It ain't part of a rebuilding phase from people doing a rebuild
The "broom" has been through the squad at the end of every season for the last few years and we haven't found success, of the departures this season 4 of the 8 players Stubbins bought in only to dump less than 4 months later.
What makes you think he'll make a better decisions this time around?
Depends how you look at it. IMO if it had of gone the other way and Stubbins was punted, it may have been more popular but would have given very little difference on the field. The squad we have is piss poor and is either not committed nor playing at the level they should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Carney, Madaschi & Jaliens are just soaking up a pay cheque. Carney in particular is more interested in his next move to China than putting in any sort of effort for the team. I can understand Tinks when he says imagine what its like paying them. I would rather sign a bunch of locals who want to win and bust their gut then keep seeing these 3 put in such sub standard efforts.
Celeski is an interesting one. Has been injured a lot so its hard to tell what the story is but maybe has not been committed to his rehab. Don't know.
Griffiths you could never say doesn't put in 100%, but his performances have clearly been on the slide this season and struggles to play 70mins. You would have to think this is more about his influence on the rest of the squad.
Griffiths, Carney & Jaliens were here under GVE. I'm not convinced on Stubbins but do we honestly think a change of coach would have solved everything? Carney threw his toys out of the pram since he realised he wasn't playing in the Asian Cup. Griffiths has lost it. So has Kew. Flores is the only player I think has been hard done by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
If Tinkler doesn't go, then he has to rebuild the team. If he does go, then he's done the FFA a massive favour by giving them a bare squad that can be moulded by whoever comes in.
We've lost less than half our positive output and lost more than half our negative output. Anyone wonder whether Hoole chose Sydney to get away from other players? Just a thought.
GVE revamped the squad and Stubbins certainly did this year but other than that it hasn't happened nearly enough IMO. We keep resigning players other clubs wouldn't even look at. If you didn't know Tinklers history, just looking at the clearout this week and backing the Manager is tough but reasonable decision for a club running 2nd last and missing the finals 4 years in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
But in saying that, I don't see Stubbins as the man to lead the change the club clearly needs.
Griffiths and Carney arrived after GVE left. Its debatable whether GVE was involved in either signing.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
well there is no-one left to sack really - so hey, credit to big phil...live by the sword, die by the sword
madaschi, flores and celeski are all stubbins' boys, so you really have to look at what he's doing if he can't even keep the blokes he picked in line
This is a point that many of us will argue against. A lot of us believe we have (or HAD) a capable squad to make the semis at the least, and it was the British-style negative style of play Stubbins employs that saw us not function to a capable level.Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
The new-coach feel, many (including me) believe, did wonders for us last year as Zane got us functioning really well. I fail to see how people can discredit how much a new coach would have changed the environment, had we kept the squad.
If the relationship between the squad and the coach has broken down to the extent where the players bypass him and go to the level above for a resolution it says there is clearly a communication problem. They don't agree on a common direction. In a business sense, a good manager should be open to listening to suggestions from their employees but ultimately make the decision. Good employees will feel comfortable they can challenge the norm and voice their opinion but similarly they need to accept the decision that is made and move forward with that decision. The current relationship is very unhealthy for reasons we don't know.
Tinkler has clearly sided with the manager because he thinks his approach is the right way.
However as many have said, I don't think Stubbins is the right person to be doing the sweeping (as many have said). We now have (again) a very young team, with no senior experience apart from Zenon, Kanta (who is still, what, 25?) and Kennedy who have really played any sort of A-League football. The situation we've created is we are still an unattractive destination for players and we will be paying overs to attract them.
I will be interested to see who gets brought in, if anyone, to replace them.
A new coach will give you a short term bounce but unless the squad is capable the honeymoon doesn't last. Zane is a perfect example. We were top 3 under GVE before Burns departed when everything went pair shaped. Short term bounce under Zane until he was found out tactically by other coaches who took advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Unless you believe the 5 should be re-signed for next year, it is reasonable decision to part ways now with 10 games left considering the relationship between coach and players is irreparable.
As I have said before but, I don't Stubbins either.
There are 5 players being signed according to Fox. 2 current A-league players, the Olyroo striker, Spanish defender & Korean LBQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
-------------------Birraz-------------------------
Rubez--------Kew----------Madaschi-----Goodwin
------------------Celeski-------------------------
Brown------Flores-------Steele-------------Carney
------------------Griff----------------------------
What have we done???
Helped spread our talent around the A-League.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
At least we got rid of Gallaway....... One tick for Tink !!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Add Ryan Griff Jobe Connor Chapman Kasey Wehrman Jason Culina to the mix and we have a solid bench too of blokes run out of town by the regimeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
:wub:Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I seriously hate this club.
i guess the time is right for me to finally reveal that i am, in fact, a melbourne victory fan
come on you boys in blue
Like parksey, I'm happy to now reveal my true colours. Forza Team Elrich, wherever he plays.
Time to get the membership campaign pumping again boys:
http://i.imgur.com/iMFYxzJ.jpg
lel
5 stars
I'm co-captain of this team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Serious, how do I give this more than all the stars?Quote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
Well in sir.
Don't know why FIGHT was crossed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
And you could have got rid of just BE and VE from the first word.