The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[Frodo]

This is so fun.

A couple of the posts above have proven my point.

Job done.

Do they? Cause all I've seen so far is the Membah not being able to take any criticism to his wonderful motherland of America... And me baiting him for lulz.

I did question the validity of the electoral college, which I think is a valid argument to make. No other first world nation uses such an easily manipulated system (that goes for whoever is in power). Our democracy is good enough for voting a party into power. The whole changing of PM is another issue altogether, I don't know how we sort that one.

[MFKS]

Do they? Cause all I've seen so far is the Membah not being able to take any criticism to his wonderful motherland of America... And me baiting him for lulz.

I did question the validity of the electoral college, which I think is a valid argument to make. No other first world nation uses such an easily manipulated system (that goes for whoever is in power). Our democracy is good enough for voting a party into power. The whole changing of PM is another issue altogether, I don't know how we sort that one.

Criticism??

You are the one moaning that people voted in ways you don't agree with

They voted
Trump
Brexit
ScoMo


All we are seeing is excuses and tears from you and the Left for all this

You are actually proving Jetmasters point

[MFKS]

Unpatriotic..

A) you aren't an American. Yes, you say dumb shit and think the world revolves around you. But you aren't actually a yank.

B) You are mistaking Patriotism for Nationalism. Google it and use the correct term for future reference.

Where the **** did I say I was a Yank??

I said the Squad nutters are unpatriotic

That is a fair statement to make that they are not patriotic to USA matter of fact you could argue that the likes of Omar and Tlaib ain't far from treasonous and AOC is just a communist socialist deluded nutter who should have stuck to bar tending

As for Nationalism v Patriotism I was referring to Nationalism
I wouldn't describe 1930s and 40s Germany was them over dosing on patriotism

[Frodo]

Criticism??

You are the one moaning that people voted in ways you don't agree with

They voted
Trump
Brexit
ScoMo


All we are seeing is excuses and tears from you and the Left for all this

You are actually proving Jetmasters point

Am I? Cause I haven't mentioned Scomo or Brexit for a start. I also haven't shed any tears about ol Trumpy boy. He doesn't affect me very much, my work deals with China but hasn't been affected by his little tariffs at all. I just enjoy stirring you up on the matter.

You are the one getting hot under the collar when I attack the US of A. Hence my comments about you being a surrogate Yankee doodle. (I feel like this is funnier in my head than others will take it, but I'll stand by my terrible quips any day of the week.)

Also, according to your logic AOC and her mates were voted in by the American people. So crying over them would be fairly hypocritical of you wouldn't it fine member? Jetmaster wouldn't appreciate you ruining his statement about the left being the only ones who complain about election results.

[Aegon]

There is very little worse than reading/hearing conversations from people entrenched in the left and right of politics.
Both sides end up sounding like idiots and people with no political leanings realise why they hate voting as neither side really stand for anything except self interest.

I look forward to voting for independents in the house and the senate who can then just f*** with whoever is in power.

Australia’s fault for making me vote.

[Aegon]

Also, are the liberals the most ironically named political party going around or is it the liberal democrat religious nutters?

[finzee]

There is very little worse than reading/hearing conversations from people entrenched in the left and right of politics.
Both sides end up sounding like idiots and people with no political leanings realise why they hate voting as neither side really stand for anything except self interest.

I look forward to voting for independents in the house and the senate who can then just f*** with whoever is in power.

Australia’s fault for making me vote.

Also, are the liberals the most ironically named political party going around or is it the liberal democrat religious nutters?

So you spout for being anti major politics but name the Liberals and religious as nutters. Think your left looney has leaked. So what if someone is religious? Others worship the colander, beer, drugs, kfc, Buddha but no abuse there? Think you need to drop the selective bigotry. Maybe fight crime, its a real scourge. Plus dont jump in bed with the Greens, they hate the workers but dont tell Labor they haven't joined the dots yet. Independent voting I agree with but eventually preferences must go to the bigs.

Each to their own without the infantile hysteria

[Frodo]

So you spout for being anti major politics but name the Liberals and religious as nutters. Think your left looney has leaked. So what if someone is religious? Others worship the colander, beer, drugs, kfc, Buddha but no abuse there? Think you need to drop the selective bigotry. Maybe fight crime, its a real scourge. Plus dont jump in bed with the Greens, they hate the workers but dont tell Labor they haven't joined the dots yet. Independent voting I agree with but eventually preferences must go to the bigs.

Each to their own without the infantile hysteria

#Triggered.

Also, I think you read more into those points than what was intended. My understanding of his points were.

- people who care enough about politics to pick a side sound like idiots to those in the centre. (Not wrong really, look at the crap we talk in here)
- The Liberals aren't very "liberal" by definition. Which is true when you look at the word only. It's also a very nothing statement. Liberalism, conservative, socialist are all just insults now anyway. Today is so about the lean of your politics. Which way do you lean, and how far do you lean.

Can't help you with the religious stuff. If the term religious nutter offends you, so be it. He did say that one.

[Aegon]

#Triggered.

Also, I think you read more into those points than what was intended. My understanding of his points were.

- people who care enough about politics to pick a side sound like idiots to those in the centre. (Not wrong really, look at the crap we talk in here)
- The Liberals aren't very "liberal" by definition. Which is true when you look at the word only. It's also a very nothing statement. Liberalism, conservative, socialist are all just insults now anyway. Today is so about the lean of your politics. Which way do you lean, and how far do you lean.

Can't help you with the religious stuff. If the term religious nutter offends you, so be it. He did say that one.

I was actually referring to the specific party that’s called something like the liberal
Democrats?

There was some sort of outrage in one of the previous elections that they were first on the ballot
Paper and would receive default votes.

And calling me a leftist? Who cares. I have some leftist views and some right sided views just depends on the subject.

[The Dunster]

Marketing is what gets politicians elected not their policies. It doesn't matter what the policy is as long as you can market it effectively.

In Australia least the two major parties are essentially holding the same ideology but with different marketing strategies.

It's not much different in the USA or indeed any other developed western nation.

[Aegon]

So you spout for being anti major politics but name the Liberals and religious as nutters. Think your left looney has leaked. So what if someone is religious? Others worship the colander, beer, drugs, kfc, Buddha but no abuse there? Think you need to drop the selective bigotry. Maybe fight crime, its a real scourge. Plus dont jump in bed with the Greens, they hate the workers but dont tell Labor they haven't joined the dots yet. Independent voting I agree with but eventually preferences must go to the bigs.

Each to their own without the infantile hysteria

I admit to sharing some of the greens views when it comes to climate change and animal welfare. However their policies as a whole would destroy the Australia that I love. I ensure every vote i submit has the greens last in preferences. I have never voted for them or for labour in my life.

I used to vote for Little Johnny every election but I haven’t voted liberal since Kevin07 won.

At the end of the day every major party is a shell of what they used to stand for. Even labour are distancing themselves as much as possible from the union nutters.

I don’t think it makes a difference where I vote anymore so I just happily vote for fringe cases that will make it difficult for whoever wins.

I think I voted for the Derryn Hinch party or something last time ��*♂️

[Aegon]

#Triggered.

Also, I think you read more into those points than what was intended. My understanding of his points were.

- people who care enough about politics to pick a side sound like idiots to those in the centre. (Not wrong really, look at the crap we talk in here)
- The Liberals aren't very "liberal" by definition. Which is true when you look at the word only. It's also a very nothing statement. Liberalism, conservative, socialist are all just insults now anyway. Today is so about the lean of your politics. Which way do you lean, and how far do you lean.

Can't help you with the religious stuff. If the term religious nutter offends you, so be it. He did say that one.

You were spot on in your analysis btw.

[MFKS]

I admit to sharing some of the greens views when it comes to climate change and animal welfare.

If you gonna lead with this one then lay your cards on the table So we know exactly which of their extremist views you support

[Aegon]

If you gonna lead with this one then lay your cards on the table So we know exactly which of their extremist views you support

Easy answer- Climate change is real. The temperature statistics do not lie.

Whether it is man made or not? I’m still yet to see anything that proves it definitively.

What is beyond question is that we should make our best effort at reducing our long term impact and making it worse.

If that means finding alternate power solutions then why the F not?

Where I completely deviate from the greenies though is that I think nuclear power should be utilised in Aus, especially since we have so much of the fuel needed for it locally.

With animal welfare - I despise horse and dog racing. I’m realistic enough to know that banning it isn’t achievable due to $$$.
However there should be tighter regulations in place that don’t allow over-breeding, indiscriminate killing of animals & an obligation to seek re-homing, re-purposing, etc post racing life.

[MFKS]

Easy answer- Climate change is real. The temperature statistics do not lie.

Whether it is man made or not? I’m still yet to see anything that proves it definitively.

What is beyond question is that we should make our best effort at reducing our long term impact and making it worse.

If that means finding alternate power solutions then why the F not?

Where I completely deviate from the greenies though is that I think nuclear power should be utilised in Aus, especially since we have so much of the fuel needed for it locally.

With animal welfare - I despise horse and dog racing. I’m realistic enough to know that banning it isn’t achievable due to $$$.
However there should be tighter regulations in place that don’t allow over-breeding, indiscriminate killing of animals & an obligation to seek re-homing, re-purposing, etc post racing life.

Temperature statistics??

Based on what 100 years or so of stats from the weather bureau when then planet been in existence for only about 6000 years or so

That a pretty small sample so the jury is really still out

I don't think.it exists

It is nothing but a financial racket so ****s get paid
Scientists are getting paid to say it exists
Scientists are getting paid to say it don't exist
You got nutcases like AOC saying the planet will end in 12 years terrifying a bunch of uneducated people who forget this scan been played 2 to 3 times already in the last 30 years

Where they will succeed in the future with this BS hysteria is they will use the environment as an excuse to get a taxation passed on the community and it will be the useful idiots in supporting climate change that will be thinking it is a great idea

In 30 years time after this nothing will have improved in the environment and that tax will still exist

As for animal welfare before we get into that subject. What is your position on abortion are you yeah or nay on that ??

[Macca]

planet been in existence for only about 6000 years or so

How you can want to debate scientific matters while holding that view is mystifying.

[Jetmaster]

Have lived through acid rain, the new ice age, hole in the ozone, global warming and now climate change.

And whatever happened to El Nino?

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/update...ustralia.shtml

[The Dunster]

How you can want to debate scientific matters while holding that view is mystifying.

When James Ussher made the 6000 year calculation it was considered scientific and to be very important / scholarly work. Isaac Newton made an estimate as well very close to that of Ussher

In 400 years time many of the so called scientific facts we take for granted will be seen to be just as ridiculous - assuming we haven't become extinct by then.

[Bon]

Temperature statistics??

Based on what 100 years or so of stats from the weather bureau when then planet been in existence for only about 6000 years or so

That a pretty small sample so the jury is really still out

I don't think.it exists

It is nothing but a financial racket so ****s get paid
Scientists are getting paid to say it exists
Scientists are getting paid to say it don't exist
You got nutcases like AOC saying the planet will end in 12 years terrifying a bunch of uneducated people who forget this scan been played 2 to 3 times already in the last 30 years

Where they will succeed in the future with this BS hysteria is they will use the environment as an excuse to get a taxation passed on the community and it will be the useful idiots in supporting climate change that will be thinking it is a great idea

In 30 years time after this nothing will have improved in the environment and that tax will still exist

As for animal welfare before we get into that subject. What is your position on abortion are you yeah or nay on that ??

Oh man....
I.... I just can't... I don't know where to start on this..

[Macca]

When James Ussher made the 6000 year calculation it was considered scientific and to be very important / scholarly work. Isaac Newton made an estimate as well very close to that of Ussher

In 400 years time many of the so called scientific facts we take for granted will be seen to be just as ridiculous - assuming we haven't become extinct by then.

A valid point and almost certainly correct. But still doesn't justify clinging to disproven theories no matter how highly regarded they were at the time. All we can do is roll with the current accrued level of knowledge until it is inevitably built upon or disproved.