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    Quote Originally Posted by scowling View Post
    Morning everyone - My name is Steve and I'm this years NLFC U9 SAP Coach - and also just a Dad.
    I started reading this forum about this time last year when SAP popped up on my radar and I had no idea what it was (my oldest son was in the NET system) - this forum helped (yes, really!) explain to me what it was and some of the other "issues". There has been some back and forth - but I can tell you're all passionate about football.

    Yes, we(NLFC) only have one U9 SAP team. We only had internal trials, until we couldn't find 10 players and then opened it up externally. Two players in the team did not play for NLFC last year. I won't add any commentary to the process. I think we only have one under-aged player.

    I can only talk in detail to the U9s, but as Aegon says above - the U10s did well in Sydney against Fraser Park FC (at least when they worked out Sydney U10 SAP is 9v9.. not 7v7).
    Most other teams in all age groups struggled against Fraser Park FC. It's painful to get to, but the facilities at FP are excellent.

    The U9s lost both games (3-1, 5-2) against reasonably strong A and B teams. We would have faired better if the drop-off rule was applied more consistently.
    We have played the NLFC U10 Navy team at training and they smashed us - the difference a year of SAP and a year of physical development makes.
    We have a trial match this weekend against Wallsend U9s.

    The kids are excited about starting their SAP journey and I'm happy enough to be along for the ride, seeing them get better and have fun so far has been great.

    Cheers
    Steve
    Good on ya Steve. Nice to have some1 prepared to put there name out there. Not like the rest of us! 🤣

    I didn’t no that Sydney SAP plays 9v9 in 10s. Why ain’t Northern done this? No consistency even in nsw so no wonder FFA wanna start youth soccer from scratch.

    How did yr boys go v Wallsend on the wknd? I heard Wallsend had good roll up for there trials so they should b stronger than last yr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YewYew View Post
    Good on ya Steve. Nice to have some1 prepared to put there name out there. Not like the rest of us! 🤣

    I didn’t no that Sydney SAP plays 9v9 in 10s. Why ain’t Northern done this? No consistency even in nsw so no wonder FFA wanna start youth soccer from scratch.

    How did yr boys go v Wallsend on the wknd? I heard Wallsend had good roll up for there trials so they should b stronger than last yr.
    I'm very happy to have you kind folks know who I am. If you see NLFC U9s playing come up and say hi.

    We played well in patches on the weekend. It was the first 60 minute game for us, and it showed in the last 10-15 minutes. For me too!
    The end result was lopsided to us - 12-5, or 13-4 .. or something. It might have been the first run for the Wallsend kids, they had a couple of kids who stood out but the team as a whole looked like they were short on cohesion.

    We've been working very hard on structure and getting our defenders playing the ball forward to advance the ball and getting our attackers to look to score - but when the kids were tired the structure fell apart and the passes got longer and less useful. ugh.
    And the more lopsided it became the more ALL OF THEM wanted to score .. which assisted in the structural breakdown.
    They're 8. They're kids. They had fun. They'll get better at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scowling View Post
    when the kids were tired the structure fell apart and the passes got longer and less useful. ugh.
    And the more lopsided it became the more ALL OF THEM wanted to score .. which assisted in the structural breakdown.
    Sound a bit like the Jets LOL!

    Mate its great that yr kids have got some1 trying to get them playing on the deck. Does yr team have set backs, strikers? Or do kids get to play all positions? Do u have some1 dedicated in goals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YewYew View Post
    Sound a bit like the Jets LOL!

    Mate its great that yr kids have got some1 trying to get them playing on the deck. Does yr team have set backs, strikers? Or do kids get to play all positions? Do u have some1 dedicated in goals?
    Like most young SAP teams we've got kids that were the best of their miniroo teams - they are used to winning, they're used to scoring goals. If you asked them, they're all strikers

    However, for their football education, I'd like (and I have the backing of my TD) them to play in all the positions. We don't have a single player who has GK in their sights.
    The GK for each game rotates through the group - each kid plays as GK for the whole game.

    We currently start with a back 3 and a forward 3. We have 10 players, so with 3 on the bench we rotate them after 10 mins - replacing either the back 3 or front 3.
    This gives each group of 3 some consistency of teammates outside/next-to each other during the game and hopefully promotes teamwork/combinations. It also allows each group of 3 some considerable block time in attack or defense during the game.
    Each game the players rotate one spot in the lineup - so will get up to 3 games in a row in attack or defense to improve on the skills we're working on at training.

    It sounds complicated; but for the moment it's doing what we want; allowing players some length of time playing in each position, but also getting the chance to play all over the park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scowling View Post
    Like most young SAP teams we've got kids that were the best of their miniroo teams - they are used to winning, they're used to scoring goals. If you asked them, they're all strikers

    However, for their football education, I'd like (and I have the backing of my TD) them to play in all the positions. We don't have a single player who has GK in their sights.
    The GK for each game rotates through the group - each kid plays as GK for the whole game.

    We currently start with a back 3 and a forward 3. We have 10 players, so with 3 on the bench we rotate them after 10 mins - replacing either the back 3 or front 3.
    This gives each group of 3 some consistency of teammates outside/next-to each other during the game and hopefully promotes teamwork/combinations. It also allows each group of 3 some considerable block time in attack or defense during the game.
    Each game the players rotate one spot in the lineup - so will get up to 3 games in a row in attack or defense to improve on the skills we're working on at training.

    It sounds complicated; but for the moment it's doing what we want; allowing players some length of time playing in each position, but also getting the chance to play all over the park.
    Excellent coaching, every child should have exposure to every position at that age to help develop and gain an understanding of whats required in each role. Kudos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scowling View Post
    However, for their football education, I'd like (and I have the backing of my TD) them to play in all the positions.
    Good to see, putting players in one position at this stage of their development harms them. Important to learn what other areas of the field are meant to do as well as giving them a better well rounded experience. I coached SAP two years ago and had one upset mother because I wouldn't always put him up front. Apparently he is a striker and always has been. 3 years of miniroos where it is 4v4 does not a striker make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatscheese View Post
    Good to see, putting players in one position at this stage of their development harms them. Important to learn what other areas of the field are meant to do as well as giving them a better well rounded experience. I coached SAP two years ago and had one upset mother because I wouldn't always put him up front. Apparently he is a striker and always has been. 3 years of miniroos where it is 4v4 does not a striker make.
    We've definitely had some feedback from parents. But if we don't give them a whole field education they'll grow up being very one-dimensional. If (and of course, the chances are miniscule) they end up a pro, having a grounding in all positions from the age of 8 should help them fit into any system.

    We have been very open with our parents what we are trying to accomplish this year, and how we are going to go about trying to accomplish it. So far we've had 100% buy-in. The hard times will come if/when we start losing a few games and IF parents grumble that we would have won but ....

    I've told them that winning is not the primary goal at this stage - yeah, the SAP mantra - locking in the skills, getting a rudimentary football education and having fun are much more important than winning. Winning papers over some cracks sometimes.

    Good constructive discussion this - thanks everyone, loving it.

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