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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    From what Ive been told there wasnt a huge influx of new referees this year and last years big group have few that are ready to step up from JDL to NPL.Theres also been a lot of chatter amongst the group about the failure of clubs to take action against players and coaches who have gone so far as to level death threats against young refs online. My lads know about it and theres no way Ill let them take appointments at the club involved if they ever get put on there.Just FYI Hunter Im pretty sure I know which club you are at and its not yours so lack of numbers should be the only reason you arent getting them.My boys have been out at your club since day 1 and never had an issue (but some night games can always get a bit rowdy!!).Hoping its not too far off a few more 2nd year refs being ready to take on NPL jobs but until then there doesnt seem to be much anyone can do.
    Those threats should be taken to the police.
    Northern would also be within their remit to ban those responsible via their code of conduct. Responsible governance would take the matter out of the clubs hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northern_swan View Post
    Those threats should be taken to the police.
    Northern would also be within their remit to ban those responsible via their code of conduct. Responsible governance would take the matter out of the clubs hands.
    My youngest knows the referee involved.His parents have gone to the association and the police.The kid who made the threats is still playing and from what he said theres every chance the referee (who also plays NPL)will have to play against him at some stage this year.I dont know the ins and outs of it all but its pretty disgraceful if NNSW and the club are ok with all this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    Not sure what your definition of a junior ref is but the preferred option is for a referee to be minimum 1 year older than the division they are centering.Across 3 games they get 1 x centre and 2 x lines with seniority being applied to whoever does the older age groups.My lads have certainly reffed NPL games without assistants and by the time they get to 16/17 they are considered good/experienced enough to ref any age group.Again my lads have done older ages when they have been called upon in an emergency and have done games in the same division of which they play.Its not preferred by NNSW but if its that or nothing they trust the referees to do a good job.Community refs are from a different pool so they cant cross over even if they wanted to.I wish they were combined but thats a different issue and those kids have every right to get officials I agree.Word is there has already been one lengthy suspension handed out to a player for abuse this season lets hope the referee isnt one of the ones who gives up if he has to go through that more often.
    Mate, I spent 6 years with northern, doing everything above JDL/sap, I know how the seniority on the day works and how northern operates. I meant junior as in the broader term of anyone under 18 years, I.e. the ones with the orange armbands.

    My point is that northern has a real dislike of appointing anyone under 18 to games by themselves, which in effect means you need 3 refs, while zone can get away with 2 for a day, given they're generally adults. Which is different to community where they might appoint 1 ref to do 12 and 13s for instance, or appoint them around their own playing schedule, ie a centre before and a line after theirs on an older age.

    Northern will also generally try to fill from the top down, taking into account referee experience levels, but always ensuring that npl and nl1 seniors are filled.

    Community ref pool needs to stay away from northern games as the expectation is too different, only exception would be adult refs willing to help out on zone league when community has a break. But that needs to be opt in.
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    Any thoughts on clubs letting go most of their players after 4 years of JDL, just to play a bunch of "selected" U12s in their U13 PYL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mic22 View Post
    Any thoughts on clubs letting go most of their players after 4 years of JDL, just to play a bunch of "selected" U12s in their U13 PYL?
    Nothing out of the ordinary in this day and age.Whether right or wrong the best thing the kids who got cut can do is trial wherever they can and do their best.If a kid has done the right things through JDL they will always have a spot in NPL youth somewhere.It might be an ego hit to the kids and parents that their kid got cut but its jut one of lifes lessons.

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    I wouldnt be shocked if New Lambton stay in the top 8 for the 2nd half of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mic22 View Post
    Any thoughts on clubs letting go most of their players after 4 years of JDL, just to play a bunch of "selected" U12s in their U13 PYL?
    Out of a team of 12 you might have to let got 2 or 3 who just don't make the cut. So a club that has two teams should whittle down to about 18, take off a couple that go to Jets and you have 16 maybe 15 players who should be good enough. If you have to then drop half of them and look for players elsewhere, then the club should be looking at their JDL program and getting in better TDs and coaches.

    Though parents should take note of this, if a club is happy to drop most of their players because they think someone better is coming along, then 1) the club can't be that good at developing players and 2) don't expect to be at the club long because it is clear they will happily drop you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    I wouldnt be shocked if New Lambton stay in the top 8 for the 2nd half of the year.
    Go do a Lakes? Their youth go really well while their 1st grade gets relegated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taffy View Post
    Though parents should take note of this, if a club is happy to drop most of their players because they think someone better is coming along, then 1) the club can't be that good at developing players and 2) don't expect to be at the club long because it is clear they will happily drop you.
    Wise words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas477 View Post
    You also have a population that is ten times the size of ours.
    It's true, but they also have 3 tiers of PYL with many many more teams than our comp 16 teams each, a full girls line up too, etc...so they also have a higher demand

    Rather then looking at our shortcomings and deciding it's because we're small...maybe there's something we could learn from them and the way they do things

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    Nothing out of the ordinary in this day and age.Whether right or wrong the best thing the kids who got cut can do is trial wherever they can and do their best.If a kid has done the right things through JDL they will always have a spot in NPL youth somewhere.It might be an ego hit to the kids and parents that their kid got cut but its jut one of lifes lessons.
    Quote Originally Posted by Taffy View Post
    Out of a team of 12 you might have to let got 2 or 3 who just don't make the cut. So a club that has two teams should whittle down to about 18, take off a couple that go to Jets and you have 16 maybe 15 players who should be good enough. If you have to then drop half of them and look for players elsewhere, then the club should be looking at their JDL program and getting in better TDs and coaches.

    Though parents should take note of this, if a club is happy to drop most of their players because they think someone better is coming along, then 1) the club can't be that good at developing players and 2) don't expect to be at the club long because it is clear they will happily drop you.
    I fully agree with both of you

    What I question is the strategy of making wild cuts to a group of kids, after developing them for 4 years, and just before they get a chance of showing what they are capable of on the full field.

    I think playing 9 a side on a half sized pitch, or full size 11 a side are almost 2 different games, and it's very short sighted to let players go based on their performance on the 9 a side game (especially when such players performed very well throughout the whole JDL experience). Btw, I'm not talking about my son. I was shocked to learn the names of players that didn't make the cut at our former club. Then I saw the names of some U12s "promoted" to play up in PYL this year... and it made me even happier not to be at that club anymore. They developed players well, but something else was definitely off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    Nothing out of the ordinary in this day and age.Whether right or wrong the best thing the kids who got cut can do is trial wherever they can and do their best.If a kid has done the right things through JDL they will always have a spot in NPL youth somewhere.It might be an ego hit to the kids and parents that their kid got cut but its jut one of lifes lessons.
    Everyone is temporary in the NPL space. Players who arent getting what they want leave, some that are connected get a shirt despite ability, clubs will take the newest best player and drop another.

    Like at work, make yourself indispensable. But most importantly be in a team that you enjoy.

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    They developed players well, but something else was definitely off.
    That part is called politics & opinions. Every club has it.

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    In regards to the JDL comments. Personally I feel that there needs to be a rule that clubs must follow stating that you must make your PYL sides up from a percentage of your JDL system for the 13?s. Or what is point of having JDL.

    We were fortunate when majority left for what they consider greener pastures. Our 13?s this year are an extremely talented bunch of players. They keep growing as players and a team. Yes it takes time to gel but when players want something like this bunch that?s when the magic happens.

    This has been the case for a few years with a certain club poaching players from the club I am at going from JDL into youth .

    Fortunately we have quality coaches and new players coming in to the club that want to play football and play for the club. For this I am grateful and excited for the year ahead watching them succeed.

    All this has done is made a mockery of the new JDL leveled system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grubby-081 View Post
    All this has done is made a mockery of the new JDL leveled system.
    I guess for clubs developing "their own" yes. But for developing more & better players sooner it has somewhat helped. The high fees are still a sham for mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldy View Post
    Well done to the clubs who re-arranged matches to suit the hot weather. It maximises the chances of getting games played.
    It should be easy...but I know last weekend our club tried to move the game to the opponents ground on the following day, but this was squashed due to lack of referee availability, apparently.

    Interesting I googled this wet bulb thing, apparently it has known flaws and is not overly accurate (a system that was developed for military training in the US in the 1950s)
    Publication with the flaws noted
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17765661/

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    I'm new to Squadi: I can only speak for the U13, but some games are not updated even after weeks, some results are inaccurate, most team rosters and goal scorers are missing.
    Is it normal for this platform?
    Is there any way to contribute and try to make it better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grubby-081 View Post
    In regards to the JDL comments. Personally I feel that there needs to be a rule that clubs must follow stating that you must make your PYL sides up from a percentage of your JDL system for the 13?s. Or what is point of having JDL.

    We were fortunate when majority left for what they consider greener pastures. Our 13?s this year are an extremely talented bunch of players. They keep growing as players and a team. Yes it takes time to gel but when players want something like this bunch that?s when the magic happens.

    This has been the case for a few years with a certain club poaching players from the club I am at going from JDL into youth .

    Fortunately we have quality coaches and new players coming in to the club that want to play football and play for the club. For this I am grateful and excited for the year ahead watching them succeed.

    All this has done is made a mockery of the new JDL leveled system.
    I don't know if it can ever be a rule: it should just be common sense.

    But I guess some TDs want to feel like they're in the EPL... or maybe they just want to see "some" kids playing one year up

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOW2.0 View Post
    It should be easy...but I know last weekend our club tried to move the game to the opponents ground on the following day, but this was squashed due to lack of referee availability, apparently.

    Interesting I googled this wet bulb thing, apparently it has known flaws and is not overly accurate (a system that was developed for military training in the US in the 1950s)
    Publication with the flaws noted
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17765661/
    Common sense should prevail regardless

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    Quote Originally Posted by mic22 View Post
    I'm new to Squadi: I can only speak for the U13, but some games are not updated even after weeks, some results are inaccurate, most team rosters and goal scorers are missing.
    Is it normal for this platform?
    Is there any way to contribute and try to make it better?
    I find the APP pretty poor in general, but it's only as good as the people doing the data entry

    I know from experience keeping my own table going, they could update all results from PYL with supporting notes in an hour and a bit Monday morning if they really wanted to

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