3rd or 4th tier probably equals northern NPL, that's the issue we face, south cardiff travelled to Melbourne and faced a 3rd tier Victorian side which would have quite easily competed in northern NPL, due to a larger population 3rd tier competitions in Sydney/Melbourne and Brisbane to lesser extent are of high quality where as our second tier teams struggle, I think we get a bit carried away with the quality in northern NPL, can't recall recently of a local player being plucked to sign an A league contract where as even Tasmania seem to provide a few each year