The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[snake]

Think about it this way. Seeing as you hate God would you really want to be with him in heaven for eternity if he was real? You answered this yourself. This is what heaven is so its not a place that those who hate God want to be so wouldn't you want to be not forgiven.

Also how does my age have any impact of this situation, I'm not going to tell you any specifics but I am old enough to think about issues and make decisions by himself. As you've probably guessed I grew up in the church but if I thought it was all evidence-less crap, I would've left the church

i'd say i hate god the same way i hate darth vader or the emporer. i don't waste energy on fictional entities, just their adherents.

and yes i wouldn't like to spend eternity in heaven, in the same way i don't want anything to last for eternity. it would get boring.

and your age has plenty to do with it. asking the right questions comes with experience.

[MFKS]

Ask yourself this:

If my faith is so strong then why do I look both ways when I cross the road ?

It certainly is not common sense.

This would have to be one of the most absurd things I have ever read.

If you have faith in god and walked across the road without looking and got splattered across the bonnet of a truck that would be because you are a dumb **** who didn't look and would have nothing to do with your faith in god and a sign that god is deserting you.

**** me dead

[GazFish35]

but if I thought it was all evidence-less crap, I would've left the church

Out of interest what evidence do you rely on to suggest it isn't crap?
Not digging, genuinely interested.

[The Dunster]

So what you are saying is that the evidence suggests that if you don't look both ways when crossing the road you might get splattered across the bonnet of a truck.

Why don't you apply the same logic to the god question ?

Reason:

because you are a [U]dumb **** who didn't look

[The Dunster]

2. Copernicus, Bacon, Kepler, Galileo, Planck, etc. These aren't just your alchemists
3. Seeing as, as I said they answer different questions are life, scientists personal religious views shouldn't affect their scientific development. I've seen a few videos about a guy interviewing science students at some American universities about why they deny their religion and their reasoning is hardly evidence-based

Do you even understand the consequences of Planck's Constant being a non-zero number ? If you did you would not be religious. This is why Max Planck struggled to come to grips with the consequences of the discovery.

[boz-monaut]

how come none of you religious types are into Allah then?

what about Cao Dai? that seems pretty cool, they've got Jesus and the bloke who wrote Les Miserables

Scientology seems pretty fun, what with all them thetans and Tom Cruise

funny how you're all into the religion you were indoctrinated into

I'm an atheist because no one has put forward any arguments to make me change my mind - I'm totally open to it but I'm afraid all religions are the same to me, made up stuff to keep cultures stable, populations oppressed or more recently, make sex pests rich

I see religion as a weakness of character - can't face any harsh truth or reality so find comfort in easy lies - suitable for children, the unintelligent or the old and fearful

[GazFish35]

The opiate of the masses.

[MFKS]

how come none of you religious types are into Allah then?

what about Cao Dai? that seems pretty cool, they've got Jesus and the bloke who wrote Les Miserables

Scientology seems pretty fun, what with all them thetans and Tom Cruise

funny how you're all into the religion you were indoctrinated into

I'm an atheist because no one has put forward any arguments to make me change my mind - I'm totally open to it but I'm afraid all religions are the same to me, made up stuff to keep cultures stable, populations oppressed or more recently, make sex pests rich

I see religion as a weakness of character - can't face any harsh truth or reality so find comfort in easy lies - suitable for children, the unintelligent or the old and fearful

That's almost a call for help

Umm see the thing here is you are asking for someone to convince you to believe. Not our place to do so. You can work it out yourself

Let us know when you find god. Your a certainty to find god one day

[MFKS]

So what you are saying is that the evidence suggests that if you don't look both ways when crossing the road you might get splattered across the bonnet of a truck.

Why don't you apply the same logic to the god question ?

Reason:

Logic??

By your logic every one who believes in god would be immortal as god would repeatedly be bound to save them from any activity they pursue that may harm them

That's how ****ed your logic is.

[boz-monaut]

Ihave no need in my life for a god, if I do develop a weakness of character that requires one, I'll see if I can't get me one of them sex pest ones

you're as clueless about religion as every other opinion you express on this forum

[MFKS]

Ihave no need in my life for a god, if I do develop a weakness of character that requires one, I'll see if I can't get me one of them sex pest ones

you're as clueless about religion as every other opinion you express on this forum

So you have the superiority complex now from the aethist with the its a weakness of character to believe



Of course you would say you have no need for god. Your ego is that big you probably view yourself as god.

[plague]

I know plenty of peeps who don't think of God as some dude in the sky but someone who's teachings/ethics etc they live by as taught by the bible.
People go to AA meetings, sales seminars, investment advisors who all give them advice on how to better their lives. Other people choose to take advice from the bible.
Does someone need to be best mates with Anthony Robbins/Warren Buffet/Commando to live by their words?
Also, as far as the 'science is proof' angle is concerned. Every person I know who works in that profession admits that there is a lot of 'fact' based on probability/assumptions etc that are always up for reassessment and open to interpretation.
Jeez Louise when I was growing up the boffins were changing their minds every week on whether potatoes were good for you or not.

[plague]

Of course you would say you have no need for god. Your ego is that big you probably view yourself as god.

Id say more 'ball of energy that can destroy cities' but that's another debate for another thread.

[boz-monaut]

what an ill informed lot of garbage that is

I'm comfortable with the knowledge that I, and every other human on this planet is an insignificant speck of stardust, who when I die will not continue on as some magical consciousness with some benevolent controller looking after me or caring what I think

it takes some ego to think that humanity was created by a god, and that this god gives a shit about you

[furns]

Where was this thread during the offseason?

5 stars

[furns]

Btw I will accept thread title nominations seeing this no longer seems to be limited to Politics

Maybe:
Politics & Religion - Left vs Right Deathmatch (while normal people watch)
Politics & Religion - the left will inherit the earth when the right have finished f*cking with it
Politics & Religion - enter when drunk, it's much more fun

[GazFish35]

When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realised, the Lord doesn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked Him to forgive me ... and I got it!

[GazFish35]

Furns,

New thread name..... The "If you repeat a lie often enough" thread.

[hawk]

wow, hasnt this thread taken a turn

I'm an atheist because no one has put forward any arguments to make me change my mind

In some countries you would be dead for saying this.



Makes it much easier to not bother with it.

tbh i have not the time to discuss. life gets in the way.

[snake]

That's almost a call for help

Umm see the thing here is you are asking for someone to convince you to believe. Not our place to do so. You can work it out yourself

Let us know when you find god. Your a certainty to find god one day

"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen."
Matthew 28:18-20

"And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen."
Mark 16:15-20

"Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And you are witnesses of these things. Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
Luke 24:46-49