In my little journey I've seen plenty of all of the above.Originally Posted by boz-monaut
But tbh I'd rather they have something to help strengthen their character, as opposed to not having it and then needing to deal with them in society.
In my little journey I've seen plenty of all of the above.
But tbh I'd rather they have something to help strengthen their character, as opposed to not having it and then needing to deal with them in society.
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Btw I'd just like to mention that Kanye's Jesus Walks is a fxxxing sick song and I listen to it most days.
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Don't quote mine what you don't understand it makes you look like an idiot.
Dick Feynman while an accomplished quantum theorist was also someone that wrote popularisations for money.
These popularisations may be fun to read but without the maths thay are absolutely fooking useless with respect to understanding Quantum Mechanics.
Quote mining just confirms that you do not undertstand Quantum mechanics at even the most basic level or evolutionary theory for that matter.
Your time would be much better served reading what John Polkinghorne has written on these subjects.
Polkinghorne was a student of Paul Dirac and is a very accomplished Quantum Theorist in his own right. Moreover, he is also a Chrisitan but not a fundamentalist like yourself or MFKS.
I hope this might help open your mind a little.
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I'm honestly yet to meet a Christian who thinks the Bible is inerrant. Even MFAW in this thread has discounted arguments for/against the Old Testament (and bible in general), as some things in the bible are best taken with a grain of salt and every/most Christian I have met will tell you this.
Me personally - I'm genuinely not phased by what the bible does and doesn't contradict, as I don't believe every single story and value the bible has written. Kind of like the youtube link Duns linked (I liked that a lot btw) - there's no Christians who will still say that the Earth is fixed and the sun moves according to it, even though it is written so in the bible.
I love the Rocky movies, particularly the first couple. They are entertaining, and I can draw a lot of life lessons/morals/whatever from interpreting it. Whether it is real or not, based on a true story, whatever - it doesn't concern me. I believe in the values, and can relate the story and values to my own life, and that's what is important to me. And that's how I interpret the bible, for the most part. It's entertaining, some of it is believable, and I can draw great life morals/beliefs/etc from interpreting it how I want to. I feel like I could study Christianity and the bible for 10 more years and draw no closer a conclusion than that. I'm enjoying it and hopefully my life and the person I am is improving from what I'm taking from it. What other people draw from it, etc just doesn't concern me greatly tbh. Jesus wept, and shouted "yo Adrian" and all that.
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Very interesting dunster, I could listen to him for hours, he speaks so openly.
Is what he's saying is god created everything, therefore all the stuff evolutionists use to say there is no god, is actually just a creation of god?
Does that prove he exists? Or just as explaination/answer of the big "Why?" Questions?
"Evolution is compatible with Christian faith" he says in his closing....does this only really serve to say evolution doesn't disprove god's existence. Does this dude or any other have any science that proves god does exist?
The book of scriptures doesn't contradict the book of nature, he makes that point well, but other systems of knowing, particularly some indegienous ones, also show great parra levels and understandings of nature and "verbal scriptures"
Is this why the word "faith" is used? That at some point people need to believe in something without any emperical evidence?
All their argument is based on Christianity and our faith. Every example they wish to use is from the Christian faith not from Judaism Islam or any other religion. You want to take criticism of any of these faiths and their are plenty of areas to be critical in islam probably more so than any religion yet you don't see any of the atheists giving it to them.
Reality is most of the atheists out there in this country have rejected Christianity to be atheists. There level of exposure to other religions would be mostly small so a bit hard to reject after a thorough assessment.
To deny atheists see Christianity as a threat is pretty naïve. If they are that content with their stance that god does not exist as they believe they would not give a **** at all about what I believe or show any interest in trying to convince me I am wrong.
Aethists can not wait to ridicule religion when given the chance just look at this thread for references to skysanta gullible etc
I will answer any questions you have on my religion but as I have said before it is not my place to convince anyone god exists. You can make up your own mind and go from there. I honestly could not care whether you do or not believe I believe that is your choice and will respect that.
Aethists on the other hand are quick to ridicule religion, knock it down a peg or two when the chance arrives and generally try and convince everyone else with terms like science evolution etc that try are right.
Its like how you ridicule people who believe Bridges was a half decent player. Its a belief based on no evidence and is hilarious to those who realise that Bridges was rubbish or that his talent did not exist. You look at those Bridges believers and you think "ha...how silly are they, believing something so ridiculous, with no evidence to suggest he's any good, I shall laugh at them hadeha ha"...... You think wow how can these people be so blind to suggest he is good with no evidence. Then you try to educate those people and convince them they are wrong. But no matter what you say and all the evidence you provide they refuse to see the error of their ways, then it frustrates you. Thats how we feel about religion.
Ridiculing something doesn't mean you perceive a threat from it.
Getting defensive might though.
And it's not a long stretch to explain most australian based atheists refute the beliefs of Christianity more than other religions as it's the major religion in this country.
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no, the bible was written long after the event by people acting on second, third or worse hand recollections. i'm sure a lot of "correcting" went on, but not the honest type.
also, sice when are there more ancient manuscripts than every other text in history? how many people were around then? how many were literate? show your sources
sure, jc probably existed. how does that support the supernatural claims though? answer = it doesn't.- There is historical evidence pointing towards Jesus existence as a man and supporting biblical events and thus reliability of bible
how did he turn water into wine? what's the energy release for nucleosyntheis of the carbon for the alcohol from the water?
hint: you will need to use scientific notation to reasonably express this number.
we agree, but i think it's unintentional on your behalf based on how you've probably mis-phrased the above- The complexity of the universe: IMO chance could not have produced this complexity.
it is hilarious that you use Richard Feynmann below seeing as a result of quantum electrodynamics is that particles do spring in and out of existence all the time from nothing.- The universe: something can't come out of nothing. There needed to be a catalyst to start its creation whether it came from the big bang or otherwise
what is the full context of this quote? i assume you know this given that you've googled/copy/pasted directly, including the introductory "As Richard Feynmann, a Nobel Prize winner..." part.- why are there uniform laws of nature? As Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."
protip: plagiarism is a sin.
Jonestown- People in the early church who KNEW Jesus were willing to die because they were so convinced that Jesus was God and their saviour. If they weren’t absolutely convinced then surely they would admit it was false and save their lives
the phrase "survival of the fittest" is a bit unfortunate in that it is readily misunderstood, as is your case here. the fittest doesn't just mean strongest or fastest, which is where the confusion arises. selection is any action by which on average your genes become more common in a population on account of there being more copies made. for natural selection, this usually comes down to breeding success. what you are asking is how can altrustic behaviour favour your breeding success, given that it helps others (including competitors). i'll give you one simple mechanism, but there are others. when animals become more intelligent and social, it helps to cooperate since the team is stronger than the sum of its individual parts. obviously, your team also carry many of the same genes as you, so altuistic behaviour increases the chances of a gene becoming more common.- Un-Darwinian sacrificial actions of humans and moral conscience - How could have humans developed a conscience and sense for morality if the universe is meaningless and it is all about survival of the fittest.
now, what if you try and do all the leaning and none of the lifting (thanks tones). well, others in the community will know and you will be shunned. this has been observed in animals other than homo-sapiens.
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For those who haven't stumbled across it, Atheists have rewritten the 10 commandments
And they're actually pretty spot on wrt how life should really be
http://www.inquisitr.com/1692212/ath...-new-commands/
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So your basically saying you get frustrated dealing with people who believe in god??
Why is it your place to educate them with your pearls of wisdom to correct your perception that they are wrong??
One of both sides to it is right the other is wrong. Neither can prove it. It is the epitome of arrogance to claim you are definitely right. I ain't claiming I am right. I believe in what I believe
It is also the epitome of arrogance to try and alter ones perceptions on the issue. The decision is a personal choice and everyone is entitled to their beliefs.
If your getting frustrated then maybe you need to accept the fact you should not be trying to convince someone to believe a certain way when it is their decision
the quote doesn't contain my words and i'm not sure i agree with them
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the threat of religion is that they have people in power and there policies refllect thier ridiculous beliefs. like how this all started with your bronze-age homophobia.
other concerns are related to the first. before starting a lecture series on evolution, the lecturor is obliged to aoplogise that the following content may upset those with religious views. this disgusts me.
i'm also bothered that religious people have children who they indoctrinate. could you imagine signing up your toddler to a political party? no, children are too young to have a position on such things. but religion - no, must take little billy to church and tell him he will go to hell if he doesn't believe in god or if he ever grows up and wants to kiss boys. for me, this is a disgusting abuse of power to the most vulnerable group in society.
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Proof that Jesus was Australian:
He wore thongs.
He was a chippy, who like all good union members didn't work on Sundays.
His favourite past times were fishing, camping, going 4-wheel donkeying, and most of his mates were fishermen.
He seemed to know a lot of prostitutes.
His mates all had nicknames: The Rock, The Doubter, Simon Peter, The Baptist, so on and so forth.
The only time he went to church as a young bloke he got into a fight.
He was a champion surfer, it was like he could walk on water.
He did a mean barbeque, 5000 people rock up, no wuckers throw a few fresh caught fish on the barbie, some buns and a bit of mum's potato salad (it's in the Gospel of Thomas, trust me) and bob's your uncle.
No one is exactly sure where he was earning his quid from but he had a mate in the tax office so it was all sweet.
And to top it all off, he turned water into alcohol and if that isn't an Australian miracle I don't know what is!
Not my work.
Yes at times, but only in this sort of forum or discussion. Just like Bridges fans it's frustrating that people in this century still believe in such things.
Again with the Bridges example, why is it your place to educate them with your pearls of wisdom on Bridges ability because you perceive they are wrong? Because when you have a discussion and believe someone is wrong you let them know. Thats how it generally works.
Thats right and if there is proof of god, allah, odin, thor, etc existing then I will say hey I was wrong. Until that day, as discussed by snake earlier, the burden of proof is on believers. Otherwise whats the difference between someone believing in unicorns/big foot/ghosts etc and someone believing in god. They're essentially both stories invented by humans and written in books. I can't see how they differ. Again if people choose to believe Bridges is a good player you will continue to arrogantly say you're right and he's rubbish. But they believe in what they believe with Bridges.... let them believe....even though they have no evidence of his talent.
It is also the epitome of arrogance to try and alter ones perceptions on Bridges talent. The decision on being a Bridges fan is a personal choice and everyone is entitled to their beliefs in regards to Bridges.
The frustration comes from constantly seeing religion hold back the progress of man kind. From Muslims blowing people up to Christians stopping vital research. The frustration comes from religion entering the relm of politics where it doesn't belong. When decisions about issues in society are held back and debated due to religion having a problem with said issue is frustrating. You say it's your belief its personal blah blah blah yet in the same breath say oh yeah but two dudes can't get married cause I believe they can't. If it's such a personal choice why the **** does it matter if two dudes bonk each other and wear pretty rings? Its personal.....shouldnt effect you.
If your getting frustrated about Bridges fans then maybe you need to accept the fact you should not be trying to convince Bridges fans to believe a certain way when it is their decision to believe he is a good player. At the end of the day you're all well and good to tell people what they should and shouldn't believe in regards to football and politics (Bridges fans, Leftist nutjobs etc etc). Same should apply to religion (religious nut jobs etc etc).
woooah that was my bad - attempting to quote Boz and somehow left your quote= at the start. Have edited!
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Anyone in position of power is influenced heavily by what they believe in. History is littered by their examples
I also have no ****ing idea why these lecturers you speak of need to apologise that their theory may offend religious people. I ain't offended by other religions celebrating Ramadan or Hanukah. I also ain't offended that you feel the way you do on god. People need to accept other opinions out there and the apology is not needed and it just PC bullshit going too far again
I do not disagree with you on the indoctrination of kids being a bad thing. I myself was indoctrinated (a strong word but really the reality when you a as a kid did not wish to partake) not what you would call heavily but enough that I rejected it. I came back to it later in life because I wanted to. I chose it.
It is an issue that I would be heavily conflicted by if I had to make decisions on in the event I had kids. As a parent you would want to protect your kids and with my views being what they are baptism etc would be what I would want. This directly contrasts with my views on religion you need to find yourself.
Good news is I don't have to define the answer to that question and ain't planning on needing the answer anytime soon
Any point you are trying to make is lost by mentioning that blokes name as many times as you did in your post. I am sure you have some points your trying to make but they are lost because of the method you have used by naming that bloke 20 times in you post that I am unsure now if we are talking religion or shit footballers
Now you get it. Its frustrating when someone talks about someone whose talent doesnt exist/they don't exist. There's hope for you yet.
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