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Like I said in another thread yesterday...he changes his tune to suit whatever he wants to bitch about on the day...only interested in being No1 whinger not anything positive.
So me pontificating about hypothetical scenarios to reason out Tinks motives for this about face and how things would play out or have to play out is a vindication of me endorsing the need to spend money to resolve our situation??
I still stand by where my position was we do not need to spend money to dig ourselves out of the hole we are in
Honesty Hard Work and appointing the right people to get us to where we want to be are the way forward for us to get where we want to go.
Money would help obviously but we can get there without it.
I though don't see if Tinks backflip is genuine in nature he has the ability to recruit the right people required for the task at hand to do it with his money supporting ambition let alone the scenario where it is trying to be achieved without money backing it
Too much double guessing the motives here for me.
Tinks's statements tell the story. He is getting low ball offers for an asset that is worth something due to running it into the ground and telling the world how desperate he is to sell.
I would also suggest he has some inside info on the next TV deal that will increase the clubs value.
What money he spends in the transfer window will be a good indicator.
No! No we can't. Unless there are some world class administrators, coaches, fitness coaches, dietitians, physios, etc out there that volunteer there time to a professional football team it will take money to get them on board. Hard work by those already here will help but money is the end of the line....sorry to keep harping on about it but every argument I see you put forward involves the input of capital in some way or other. If it didn't then the people doing the job already obviously aren't pulling there weight and should be sacked immediately.So me pontificating about hypothetical scenarios to reason out Tinks motives for this about face and how things would play out or have to play out is a vindication of me endorsing the need to spend money to resolve our situation??
I still stand by where my position was we do not need to spend money to dig ourselves out of the hole we are in
Honesty Hard Work and appointing the right people to get us to where we want to be are the way forward for us to get where we want to go.
Money would help obviously but we can get there without it.
I though don't see if Tinks backflip is genuine in nature he has the ability to recruit the right people required for the task at hand to do it with his money supporting ambition let alone the scenario where it is trying to be achieved without money backing it
That I agree with. We have far too many people at the club not contributing much benefit to us considering the $$ we spend paying them a wage.
Keep telling me again we need money. Other clubs don't have money but can at least put competitive competent clubs together.
Gypos up until recentlyRoar when Ange took over had little money and look what happened there and Phoenix Pissants this season can form competitive clubs by employing the correct people and getting good results from them.
Keep telling me again we need money??
We just need to spend what money we do have much much much better than we have been doing.
Keep telling me again we need money
What is it people use to employ others? Chocolate crackles, Fairy dust, good intentions,hollow promises? Don't know about you but my employer pays me money to do my job.....?That I agree with. We have far too many people at the club not contributing much benefit to us considering the $$ we spend paying them a wage.
Keep telling me again we need money. Other clubs don't have money but can at least put competitive competent clubs together.
Gypos up until recently
Keep telling me again we need money??
We just need to spend what money we do have much much much better than we have been doing.
Keep telling me again we need money
Yeah Gypos had stability in there managers and management from the start up. How much do you think Arnold was on there? Why would he leave a club that has constantly makes the finals for a basket case like the smurphs? Look what happened at the roar...they got new owners and more investment. I don't doubt that other clubs work under tight budgets but working under a budget of nothing is pretty difficult. Employing the right people is exactly what we need in all departments, from management to support staff, to coaches to players but coming from the low footing that we are it will take a bucket load of cash to get the right people.That I agree with. We have far too many people at the club not contributing much benefit to us considering the $$ we spend paying them a wage.
Keep telling me again we need money. Other clubs don't have money but can at least put competitive competent clubs together.
Gypos up until recently
Keep telling me again we need money??
We just need to spend what money we do have much much much better than we have been doing.
Keep telling me again we need money
I'm all for getting it right, hell we all deserve it to be better but as most have pointed out, it ain't happening while tinkerbell is in charge...you know it, i know it hell even he knows it.
Crowe didn't with souffs.
Didn't spend a dime apparently.
If you read some of the specific arguments on here people (like me) were saying that it wasn't just money, it was the people in charge of spending the money that was the real problem. Giving the same people more money wouldn't necessarily fix our problems.
Now that the bloke writing the cheques is the same one that's signing them we may see a different mindset.
Although I really hope that Tinks is doing this just to go to war with the FFA. It would be epic.
Crowes whole motivation behind buying Souths was that he was already giving them money every year and he got sick of how it was being spent.
Let's hope Tinks has similar results.
So he did spend money!
I agree but with more money you can employ better, more capable people to spend said money, how ever much they are given.
Look I don't disagree with the points raised that the club, as a whole, has been managed poorly. From the issues with Con, to letting the spine of a championship winning team go to the multitide of issues that have come with Tinklers reign. In its time there has been some positives also (most generated by the faith that the fans put in (membership numbers for a basketcase club being the main one)) but whether it's Tinkler's money, the FFAs or someone elses the decision making needs to be better and for that to happen you need the right people and those people cost money, then they want others that cost money and so and so on.
If it was all down to good decision making and not investment plenty of people could get a club going, plenty of people make good business decisions all the time but professional sport isn't just about good decisions. They help big style but other factors play their part.
You do realise we already pay coaches players and admin cold hard cash to do a job don't you??
For that money spent the results we are getting across the board are pretty below average
Maybe if we appoint a coach who actually gets our players playing to our potential we might get somewhere??
This can be done by not paying top $$ but by finding a coach who unlike GVE has an idea to implement his vision and unlike Stubbins who actually has a vision
As you said Arnie was not on top $$ on the Coast but that club done their due diligence and assessed who he was what he wanted to do and believed he could do what he claimed he would do.
As for money being a good indicator to success I will point out that of the 9 HAL titles only 4 have been one by clubs with the coin and resources in Sydney and Victory. The other 5 have been one by clubs who actually are no better off than their opponents but were managed and run better than the opposition.
Roar are not in the poor arse end of town but the Bakrie group are not giving them funding at a level any greater than other HAL clubs out there
Since you're across the financial goings on of all the clubs I'll be forced to bow to your greater knowledge. Lets hope the next CEO, coach , manager are chock full of good old fashion know how......and patience and humour and forgiveness and want to turn a blind eye and gumption and whatever else you need to make something succesful with **** all support from the man that controls the money....they'll need it.
And that they agree to be paid in chocolate coins.
I reckon andy Roberts would work for chocolate coins
What's this Sokkah he speaks of?
For your information MFKS The Jets are the lowest spending club out there.That I agree with. We have far too many people at the club not contributing much benefit to us considering the $$ we spend paying them a wage.
Keep telling me again we need money. Other clubs don't have money but can at least put competitive competent clubs together.
Gypos up until recently
Keep telling me again we need money??
We just need to spend what money we do have much much much better than we have been doing.
Keep telling me again we need money
I think big Tinks just misses the limelight. Like lots of once successful types whose star fades for one reason of another, many seem to find it hard to adjust. He has been on the success roller coaster from local sparky, to mega successful, to the dreaded failed tycoon... He probably wants his Big Dipper (no carry on gags please) to head up gain... actually, if in some bizarre way, he can bring about a positive change, he may be re accepted by the broader sporting community who have gone through the ups and downs with him and seen him as a saviour and then hated his ample guts. maybe the big fellow wants to restore his public standing and thinks this is his best chance.
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