Lord Griff
Calling out the traitor
Lord Griff
Calling out the traitor
This is what's going to bring the big man unstuck.Originally Posted by Grimario
If players continue to be treated unprofessionally then I'm certain it will be a breach of licensing terms.
One of the biggest Issues of the Crawford report was forcing Clubs to be more professional. Gallop act now you have the rifle and ammo, shoot the fat prick.
Today is hardly the bit to highlight this... Tinkler earlier in the week saying "I've told them to go play in a sandpit" is the bit FFA/PFA should be all over.
How good are Kevin airs photo of the other 3 getting in the car
I loled
Most definitely.
I've ran out of fingers to count the numerous occasions that could be referanced in legal proceedings.
Where are the limp dicks at the PFA with the ostracising of their reps??
Just threw my thought on the PFA's lack of action at Craig Foster Bruce Djite and the PFA on Twitter. Wonder who will bite??
Cue Foster V Slater round 147.
Where can I see the pic?
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/featur...-jets-training
I assume the second one?
Dillon.http://www.theherald.com.au/story/28...-first-hurdle/COMMENT: Nathan’s PR campaign falls at the first hurdle
IN LIMBO: David Carney and Joel Griffiths at Jets training this week. Picture: Ryan Osland
THE treatment of five unwanted Newcastle Jets players and three members of the coaching staff is a reminder that Nathan Tinkler’s attempt to claim the high moral ground is laughable.
At a time when the owner of Newcastle’s embattled A-League franchise urgently needs an image makeover, the starting point, surely, has to be for him to honour his financial obligations.
Tinkler forked out a reported $500,000 last week to settle a selection of long-overdue debts, enough for him to declare: “People have been firing bullets at me and doubting my intentions. Well, I’ve fixed a lot of problems in the past few weeks. I wonder what they are saying now?”
Why would anyone want to join the perennially dysfunctional Jets, especially when it seems a contract is not worth the paper on which it is printed?
But there was a hollow ring to his righteousness that was all too familiar.
The bottom line is he still needs to dig far deeper into his pockets to ‘‘get things on a stable footing’’, to borrow a phrase from Football Federation Australia chief executive David Gallop.
Heading the queue of creditors are a host of Jets employees, past and present.
Current players and staff are understood to be waiting for superannuation dating back months, something that has been a recurring theme during Tinkler’s time as a self-proclaimed sporting philanthropist.
Then there are the five senior players and three staff members the one-time billionaire dismissed two weeks ago for their roles in an alleged mutiny against head tactician Phil Stubbins.
The wholesale sackings were a terrible look in their own right, but what has inflamed the situation has been Tinkler’s apparent refusal to provide appropriate payouts.
Newcastle’s discarded goalkeeping coach, Neil Young, confirmed on Wednesday that he had received the six weeks’ wages and eight months’ superannuation he was owed.
But this was only after the Newcastle Herald had contacted the Jets on Tuesday seeking comment and placing the club in an embarrassing situation.
Young was not chasing the Jets for a fortune.
It is understood he was out of pocket between $5000 and $10,000.
But he is now unemployed and has returned to Perth, where he is temporarily lodging at a friend’s house until he finds work.
It may have seemed a pittance to Tinkler, but Young was relying on that money to start his life over.
Head trainer Andrew Packer, who moved to Newcastle from Queensland with a wife and two young children in the pre-season, is in a similarly unenviable position.
Like Young, he signed his termination forms last week and was told he would be paid out within 24 hours. As of 5.30pm on Wednesday, he was still waiting.
And if the Jets have been so tardy in stumping up relatively small amounts, the portents appear ominous for former Socceroo David Carney and assistant coach Clayton Zane, both victims of Tinkler’s purge.
Unlike their discarded comrades, Carney and Zane are contracted until the end of next season. In Carney’s case, a full payout for the rest of this season and all of the next campaign would be in the vicinity of $300,000.
It is hard to imagine Tinkler showing any enthusiasm for paying that, hence his attempt to have Carney’s contract annulled for alleged disciplinary breaches.
In a volatile industry such as professional football, players and coaches can be deemed expendable at any moment. The tap on the shoulder is an occupational hazard. When it is handled professionally, usually they move on without complaint and resume their careers elsewhere.
But at Newcastle, the situation has become farcical. The five unwanted players have refused to sign their termination agreements and continue to train with the club in isolation, which must be toxic for morale.
Players around the A-League have surely taken note. Why would anyone want to join the perennially dysfunctional Jets, especially when it seems a contract is not worth the paper on which it is printed?
All of which will continue to fester at least until the man who stated recently that he is ‘‘not trying to rip anyone off’’ proves he is as good as his word and pays everyone their entitlements.
One obvious conclusion is that finding the funds has become problematic, but Tinkler insisted in an interview last week: ‘‘Lots of people would be happy to be as poor as me.’’
If his financial position is of no concern, somehow that makes this whole sorry episode even worse.
.Dundee United boss Stephen Thompson wants the Newcastle Jets, but is he the right person to save the ailing A-League club?
Nathan Tinkler has made some of the right noises the past week or so in paying off debts and appointing a new CEO. It appears as though he may want to keep the club, for now anyway, but FFA is far from satisfied.
The drama over the sacked players won’t go away either and surely Phil Stubbins’ future in the job long-term in untenable.
The Jets’ horrible A-League season continued with a last-minute loss to Brisbane Roar last Friday, Stubbins bringing on Allan Welsh as they tried to defend a free-kick, which they then of course conceded from. You’d laugh if it wasn’t so embarrassing.
It’s going take weeks, maybe months, for the FFA to get rid of Tinkler. And the big man will make as much mischief as possible before he goes. Considering how much he hates journos and the media, it’s funny to see him on radio, TV, websites and newspapers in the past few weeks, dropping out a few handy one-liners.
Long-term though it’s interesting to see what the Jets’ future holds. There isn’t another wealthy local out there keen to drop in the cash, and maybe that’s not what the club’s supporters wants anyway. A community ownership scheme might work, at least part-ownership, but I doubt FFA would back this.
Dundee’s Thompson remains in the frame according to some sources. But just who is the 50-year old Scotsman?
He took over the chairmanship of Dundee United after he his father Eddie died of prostate cancer in 2008. He had worked in the family business, a chain of convenience stores called Morning, Noon and Night.
He sat on the board of the Scottish Premier League in the past and helped the Tangerines pay off their debts.
One person who knows Thompson well says he has done a good job with Dundee United.
“Certainly financially. They have dug into a big debt and are now virtually debt free. His biggest success has been tying down young players on long deals and getting good money for them – Ryan Gauld, Andy Robertson, David Goodwillie, Stuart Armstrong,” the source said.
“He’s had his run-ins with Rangers over the last couple of years, as he was one of the most high profile people to say they should be sent down the leagues when they were liquidated.”
Apparently Thompson is media-friendly but a prudent owner. He’s not one to make outlandish spending or to bring a club into financial strife. After the controversial Tinkler, he might be a breath of fresh air in the Hunter.
Thompson has told Scottish media that it would be him personally, rather than Dundee United as a club, that would get involved with Newcastle.
“He’s spent a fair bit of time in Australia in the past, so I would think it’s probably a case of looking for business to get involved in.”
Thompson may also want to bring some of the Jets’ young talent to Scotland, or sell them on to other foreign clubs. Tinkler’s Jets have done this a lot in the past six to twelve months, with the departures of Socceroos Josh Brillante, Adam Taggart, Mark Birighitti and others.
Stephen Thompson is clearly a football man, a lover of the round-ball game, and has a decent track record as a chairman. You can’t say the same for Nathan Tinkler.
Foreign ownership has its risks and anyone who remembers Rangers’ dalliance with Northern Spirit in the NSL will be wary. Due diligence has to be done on Thompson and any other suitors the Jets might have.
There is rarely any white knights in football. Most Jets fans would settle for stability and security for the future, and some kind of long-term plan.
As has been stated, Thompson is heading up a group of investors not just looking for himself. A consortium with a community aspect would be ideal IMO.
Being this fat **** is subject to issues with the ATO claiming his money from the Garnishing Order anyone know exactly how that works ??
Any chance that coaching failure and other Jets staff are not getting paid also??
Yet some people still love blowing smoke up the FFA's arse like they are some type of saviour.LIKE it or not, it seems the Newcastle Jets are stuck with Nathan Tinkler.
Despite fighting words from David Gallop, when push came to shove this week the Football Federation Australia CEO showed no enthusiasm for engaging in a full-blown stoush with the embattled Jets owner.
Last week Gallop warned Tinkler he had a "matter of days" to resolve the Jets' myriad liabilities, in particular an estimated $400,000 in unpaid superannuation owed to players and staff and an Australian Tax Office bill rumoured to be in excess of $2 million.
Those debts remain outstanding, with no confirmation of when they will be addressed. Meanwhile, players had to wait an extra two days this week for their monthly wages because of an ATO garnishee order against Tinkler's companies.
All of which is embarrassing, to say the least, yet the FFA has not followed its tough talk with direct action.
On the contrary, Gallop's quotes at a press conference on Thursday pointed to a softened stance.
"They are certainly taking some positive steps and have appointed a new CEO in Mitchell Murphy," he said.
"We need to continue to make sure they are doing the things they need to and get that club in the state it should be. They're in a position at the moment where they are working to get it right.
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"There is no particular deadline for that position now, but we'd like it sorted sooner rather than later."
Gallop's apparent backflip is easier to understand if you reflect on his comments in November, when he told the Newcastle Herald: "It's not in our plans to own the Jets or any other A-League team . . . we don't want to own A-League clubs, full-stop."
Unlike the NRL, which ousted the one-time billionaire as Newcastle Knights owner in June, FFA is approaching this dilemma cautiously. As one informed source told the Herald this week: "The NRL were pro-active in dealing with Tinkler. They decided they wanted him out of the game and focused on making sure that was the outcome.
"The FFA will be reactive. They don't really want to make the tough call unless there is no alternative."
There are a number of reasons for FFA's wary approach.
The first is that if Tinkler's licence was cancelled, FFA would probably have to step in and fund the Jets for an interim period.
That might cost several million dollars, especially if it involved paying creditors, and FFA’s coffers are nowhere near as well stocked as the NRL’s.
There would also appear valid cause for FFA to fear the prospect of Tinkler launching legal action.
Whereas the NRL was able to negotiate his exit, using roughly half a $10.5million bank guarantee as a bargaining chip, FFA has no such luxury.
Unless FFA was willing to buy him out, Tinkler would presumably seek to defend his position in the courts.
And if it could be verified, as has been suggested, that (a) other A-League clubs had similar financial problems to Newcastle and (b) FFA officials had been secretly liaising with outside parties about potentially taking over the Jets, perhaps Tinkler would have a case.
While FFA was confident about its legal position before dispossessing the franchise licences of Con Constantine and Clive Palmer, the same apparently does not apply to Tinkler.
Instead, they appear poised to settle for an option that is either soft or wise, depending on your viewpoint.
Maybe Tinkler, who has promised to turn the Jets around after five seasons of mediocrity, will prove as good as his word, justifying FFA’s patience.
If so, the wait-and-see approach could prove a masterstroke.
But Novocastrians are entitled to be sceptical.
Tinkler’s empire has been in a downward spiral for a long time now, and there are many who will subscribe to the theory that FFA is merely delaying the inevitable.
In the last 10 years they have got a hell of a lot wrong with their running of the game yet people want to build statues to Lowy. FMD
I'm not going to go to another game until Stubbins is out and Tinkler is gone
I think your taking the wrong stance.
Turn up to every game with the express intent of making Stubbins life hell.
Anything else is surrendering to these ****s.
Yesterday slapped on the Jets shirt and went out in public. Got asked a few times why I am wearing it.
Reply was because I ain't letting these ****s break me. **** them
NEVER SURRENDER
What? No 'plastic fan' tirade at the mods there Member?
Mr Boz you are welcome to join my 'plastic fan' club. Entry is free and standards are low.
It's filling up fast tho.
As the article suggests, sounds like the FFA have received some not so good legal advice on their chances
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