The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[Blackmac79]

as things stand in the legislative council (with just over half of the ballot papers counted, and prior to preferences):

Greens - 2
Labor - 6
Liberal - 8
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Total 16

The other 5 seats will go down to preferences, which I think we will end up with the following:

Greens - 3
Labor - 7
Liberal - 10
Shooters and Fishers - 1

Fred Nile seems likely to lose his seat on the legislative Council. He is currently running behind the shooters and fishers by about 30,000 votes and still has less than half of the required number for a seat. No more right wing religious nutjobs which is good.

[boz-monaut]

just right wing nutjobs with guns (and fishing rods)

[northern_swan]

So what you're saying is that unless you're a Liberal/Nat seat, yer gonna get sweeet FA?

Pretty much! Labor has done nothing for this city in 30 years. The labor party have just taken it as given that the sheep will be sheep, and Crackenthorps re election is testament to that. He has been re elected despite having no vision, no leadership qualities and no idea.

This city had the chance to move forward, and blew it. Labor didn't spend any $$$ in liberal areas when they were in power either.

A private hospital in maitland, At least with labor here, and in the senate we may get a state owned hospital at maitland.

Can't see it happening. The Libs won't be spending a dime to make a labor MP look good.

[northern_swan]

Fred Nile seems likely to lose his seat on the legislative Council. He is currently running behind the shooters and fishers by about 30,000 votes and still has less than half of the required number for a seat. No more right wing religious nutjobs which is good.

Thank god for that. See, even God doesn't like Fred Nile

[GazFish35]

Pretty much! Labor has done nothing for this city in 30 years. The labor party have just taken it as given that the sheep will be sheep, and Crackenthorps re election is testament to that. He has been re elected despite having no vision, no leadership qualities and no idea.

This city had the chance to move forward, and blew it. Labor didn't spend any $$$ in liberal areas when they were in power either.



Can't see it happening. The Libs won't be spending a dime to make a labor MP look good.

You almost sound surprised that blue ribbons seats get **** all.

[northern_swan]

You almost sound surprised that blue ribbons seats get **** all.

Not at all. I'm just surprised that the people of the region can't see that.

[Retro Jet]

Maybe the people of this region voted on the issues that matter to them the most, but I bet THEIR/OUR mandate won't be heeded by State Lib/Nat"s.
Mandate - that hook nosed thing couldn't spit the word out enough last night on ABC.

[plague]

Oh man, I woke up this morning, looked outside and there was some Chinese guy taking all my poles and wires.
Just walked off with them.
Now I have no more poles and wires.
Is it too late to change my vote?

[hawk]

We should sell off the whole coal system then switch over to solar. Bad luck china, one investment too many. (apu voice) come again

[The Dunster]

Are the brown paper bags the developers use to hand the money over to the politicians tax deductible ?

[Jetmaster]

I'm a swinging voter (voted Lib in Federal but ALP in this one) so no favouritism here....but geez the hardcore Libs are the biggest whingers on this earth when they get beaten. There is always a reason - independants took votes, scare campaign worked, the turnout was low, it wasn't about policies etc etc etc.

FFS - democratic vote says the majority of Hunter people find the Libs and their policies on the nose, and alot of that has to do with the ICAC fallout, hence the main issue is they feel duped with the lies of the future development of Newcastle.

Simples !

[MFKS]

I'm a swinging voter (voted Lib in Federal but ALP in this one) so no favouritism here....but geez the hardcore Libs are the biggest whingers on this earth when they get beaten. There is always a reason - independants took votes, scare campaign worked, the turnout was low, it wasn't about policies etc etc etc.

FFS - democratic vote says the majority of Hunter people find the Libs and their policies on the nose, and alot of that has to do with the ICAC fallout, hence the main issue is they feel duped with the lies of the future development of Newcastle.

Simples !

Partly true but does negate to the big fact and acknowledge that people in Newy are set in their ways and continue to vote labor regardless of whom is running

[The Dunster]

Partly true but does negate to the big fact and acknowledge that people in Newy are set in their ways and continue to vote labor regardless of whom is running

The same can be said for those that vote conservative as well. What has the liberal party ever done for small business to help them ? Sweet FA

Oligarchy trumping democracy is the problem.

[plague]

I'm a swinging voter (voted Lib in Federal but ALP in this one) so no favouritism here....but geez the hardcore Libs are the biggest whingers on this earth when they get beaten. There is always a reason - independants took votes, scare campaign worked, the turnout was low, it wasn't about policies etc etc etc.

FFS - democratic vote says the majority of Hunter people find the Libs and their policies on the nose, and alot of that has to do with the ICAC fallout, hence the main issue is they feel duped with the lies of the future development of Newcastle.

Simples !

Geez Louise you have a short memory.
Jodi McKay went on an all time rant for years about why she got turfed out of here last time around and according to her it was nowt to do with Team McKay.

All pollies are shitheads in their own special way.

[plague]

The same can be said for those that vote conservative as well. What has the liberal party ever done for small business to help them ? Sweet FA

Oligarchy trumping democracy is the problem.

Libs promised to "cut red tape"
(They haven't really cut much red tape for my business).

Labor promised to do nothing.
(Delivered on that promise).

Make your own mind up as to what is worse.

[Jetmaster]

Geez Louise you have a short memory.
Jodi McKay went on an all time rant for years about why she got turfed out of here last time around and according to her it was nowt to do with Team McKay.

All pollies are shitheads in their own special way.

My memory goes all the way back to It's Time campaign of 1972.....Libs get far more cut than ALP, cos the ALP usually has to admit it did **** up to lose votes!

[plague]

So yesterday's election can be looked at as "LABOR WINS BACK PUBLIC SUPPORT"


or


"LABOR SUFFERS 2ND WORST ELECTION DEFEAT IN HISTORY"

guess it depends on which side of the fence you're on huh.

[militiamon]

Da Greenz gunning down Nationals seats

[The Dunster]

Libs promised to "cut red tape"
(They haven't really cut much red tape for my business).

Labor promised to do nothing.
(Delivered on that promise).

Make your own mind up as to what is worse.

As I established in an earlier post here [with references] the so called red tape you speak of on business is a self inflicted compliance regime by big business.
Therefore it is wrong to blame either of the major parties for what is effectively the choices of private firms. The reason Oligarchs make these choices is to kill of challenges from smaller more efficient operators. Governments for their part simply legislate however the oligarchs advise them to as little more than a survival technique.

Going even deeper much of the so-called red tape with respect to things like unfair dismissal or wages is ideological rather than evidence based.

With respect to unfair dismissal laws the OECD (2006 jobs study) found that they do not impact on the level of unemployment but merely redistribute it towards the most disadvantaged persons of society being either youth, those over 55, and those on low wages. [ Note THE OECD are not the best reference given their history]

The case for removing minimum wages is easily made by falsely claiming the demand elasticity [sensitivity to changes in price] for labour to be greater than one and the income elasticity [demand with respect to changes in income] to be infinitely small. Making studies arguing to remove minimum wages completely wrong given that empirical work shows the complete opposite.

In fact it's more often the case that an increase in the minimum wage will create more jobs not less because the propensity to consume is greater for those on low to middle incomes than it is for those who derive income from profits.

Obviously other forms of red tape also exist but I would expect they are still fallacies of composition rather than problems that effect the economy as a whole

[plague]

Nah, Not entirely correct. I refer to red tape as a colloquial term used to describe some of the sillier things it takes to run your business.

For instance the $300 odd form I have to complete for ASIC each year advising them whether my small business intends to make any significant changes in the coming year.

You don't have to list the changes, or provide any detail whatsoever, it's just to 'prepare' ASIC for any changes (which would have exactly zero impact on how they operate).

This to me is a pointless exercise and a waste of admin time and money that could be spent elsewhere. As I said this is an ASIC regulation that Govt could directly affect if it so desired.

As for workers rights etc, let me put it to you this way.

If you spot on your cctv an employee break into your house and steal your $1000 tv you call the cops and they are charged.

If the same person is spotted on a cctv set up at your workplace stealing $1000 cash different rules apply.

I don't think that's fair, and Govts make workplace laws.

Refer to all the studies you want but until you have dealt with this situation in real life (as I have) I'm sorry but you can't speak with any authority.