The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[tha_hauss]

Still didn't see one bit of credible proof in that statement

I didn't expect you would. I have no intention of trying to convince anyone. I was responding to a question from leftrighout and putting forward some avenues if he wants to do his own enquiries. I don't have the time or inclination to go into detail on here. Like I said to MFKS, I personally think its a waste of his time. You have to find what satisfies your concept of credible evidence. But no one is going to hand it to you on a platter so if you're sitting around waiting for someone to do that on an internet forum, you're outta luck. Just don't bag the people who have sought and have found in their own lives. That's the whole reason I entered this conversation, after watching a pack of people surround and ridicule MFKS for a number of days.

[MFKS]

Still didn't see one bit of credible proof in that statement

Of course you don't your mind is closed and you have no understanding of the bible and what little you do have you don't comprehend anyway



It 's just like people having a discussion on a movie after walking out and watching it and having someone interject the movies crap based on seeing the preview and having never watched it.

Your that someone

[snake]

hauss, aquinas proof is a little out of date now. is there anything new that we i iw now that wasn't known in aquinas' time that might invalidate that?

i'm sorry if you found my questions troubling or subjective, but i maintain at least 4 of them are fine. as we won't agree on this, i will refine them below.

if you aren't "an apple", then you are the exception rather than the rule. i know you're an individual, but to say a scientific approach to people based on "groups" can't be done is absolute nonsense. marketing and insurance, to name just two examples who make billions doing just that. most catholics were raised catholic, and have catholic babies. not many come from the outside. if you independently found catholicism, you are in the minority, hence my comments.

ok, my "nice" questions.

1. how and when was the bible written? by who? wo compiled it?
2. how did christianity go from being a minor sect, to a mainstream religion? how or who gave this religion that kick?
3. what reasons influenced you to be a christian?

[tha_hauss]

hauss, aquinas proof is a little out of date now. is there anything new that we i iw now that wasn't known in aquinas' time that might invalidate that?

i'm sorry if you found my questions troubling or subjective, but i maintain at least 4 of them are fine. as we won't agree on this, i will refine them below.

if you aren't "an apple", then you are the exception rather than the rule. i know you're an individual, but to say a scientific approach to people based on "groups" can't be done is absolute nonsense. marketing and insurance, to name just two examples who make billions doing just that. most catholics were raised catholic, and have catholic babies. not many come from the outside. if you independently found catholicism, you are in the minority, hence my comments.

ok, my "nice" questions.

1. how and when was the bible written? by who? wo compiled it?
2. how did christianity go from being a minor sect, to a mainstream religion? how or who gave this religion that kick?
3. what reasons influenced you to be a christian?

It's too late mate. I haven't enjoyed the last few days on here. I originally just put two cents in for MFKS who was being hounded by a number of people. Go peer review your set of questions and see whether or not they were directed at reaching the conclusion you already had in your head. I gave a lot of space between each of my replies but when I came back it was the same thing.

You can hide a wolf in sheep's clothing all you want, its still a wolf. I've got no interest in talking to you about this. I said in my last post addressed at you, that's enough for me, or maybe you skipped over that? There is a part in the Bible where Jesus instructs his disciples to shake the dust from their sandals and walk, and I think that's damn good advice.

[snake]

It's too late mate. I haven't enjoyed the last few days on here. I originally just put two cents in for MFKS who was being hounded by a number of people. Go peer review your set of questions and see whether or not they were directed at reaching the conclusion you already had in your head. I gave a lot of space between each of my replies but when I came back it was the same thing.

You can hide a wolf in sheep's clothing all you want, its still a wolf. I've got no interest in talking to you about this. I said in my last post addressed at you, that's it for me, or maybe you skipped over that? There is a part in the Bible where Jesus instructs his disciples to shake the dust from their sandals and walk, and I think that's damn good advice.

apart from 3, they are genuinie questions of historic interest. you sound like a whingeing lib on the abc. sorry if *you* don't like the answers. maybe you need to ask yourself why? and id you havent't been asked harder questions in your professional life, then you could knock me over with a feather.

there's also a part where jesus says to hate your family. go figure

[tha_hauss]

apart from 3, they are genuinie questions of historic interest. you sound like a whingeing lib on the abc. sorry if *you* don't like the answers. maybe you need to ask yourself why? and id you havent't been asked harder questions in your professional life, then you could knock me over with a feather.

there's also a part where jesus says to hate your family. go figure

I would respond but I'm somewhere off in the distance with clean sandals.

[MFKS]

apart from 3, they are genuinie questions of historic interest. you sound like a whingeing lib on the abc. sorry if *you* don't like the answers. maybe you need to ask yourself why? and id you havent't been asked harder questions in your professional life, then you could knock me over with a feather.

there's also a part where jesus says to hate your family. go figure

So what exactly do you think it means Snake??

Do you just read everything literally and expect to make heads or tails of of it

Is it Jesus wants us to literally hate our family or maybe he doesn't command us to hate our family but is delivering a message that we have to give ourselves with total commitment to god and there are sacrifices to make for it??


On another note heres a nugget for you

Jesus said, “"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first” (John 15:18).

[snake]

m8, do u even know ur book? you get into premy for not being a scholar...

luke 14.26

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.

[leftrightout]

Is it Jesus wants us to literally hate our family or maybe he doesn't command us to hate our family but is delivering a message that we have to give ourselves with total commitment to god and there are sacrifices to make for it??

So this dude that lived a long time ago reckons you should ditch your own family to commit to his belief?

[MFKS]

m8, do u even know ur book? you get into premy for not being a scholar...

luke 14.26

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.

And that is in the context of what in that entire passage???

[Premy]

Where can I go to Confess my Sins?

I've seen the Father, he came to me and now everything is clear.

Whilst he came to me I asked him for some advice on something that has been troubling me for some time.
See I've been trying to sell my car for a while but I've been struggling, the Father told me to have faith that the car is fully sick and any Christian that is intelligent will won't to buy it.

so on that note anyone what to buy a car.

[MFKS]

Where can I go to Confess my Sins?

I've seen the Father, he came to me and now everything is clear.

Whilst he came to me I asked him for some advice on something that has been troubling me for some time.
See I've been trying to sell my car for a while but I've been struggling, the Father told me to have faith that the car is fully sick and any Christian that is intelligent will won't to buy it.

so on that note anyone what to buy a car.

Sure he didn't tell you to drop the price???

[plague]

Sure he didn't tell you to drop the price???

u da best.

[plague]

On a different note Hauss said something id never heard before can someone clear it up.

Do Christians believe that God physically exists within the physical /material universe that Snake lives in. and which Smake and his friends are trying to explore and understand.

Or

Does Snake live in Gods world where the existence of God is forever 'on the outside' of and therefore will never be physically seen by the non believers trying to look for Him no matter what scientific methods they use.

I hope that question made sense.

[Blackmac79]

My fondness of this man never ceases.

Oh me! Oh life! of the questions of these recurring,
Of the endless trains of the faithless, of cities fill’d with the foolish,
Of myself forever reproaching myself, (for who more foolish than I, and who more faithless?)
Of eyes that vainly crave the light, of the objects mean, of the struggle ever renew’d,
Of the poor results of all, of the plodding and sordid crowds I see around me,
Of the empty and useless years of the rest, with the rest me intertwined,
The question, O me! so sad, recurring—What good amid these, O me, O life?

Answer.
That you are here—that life exists and identity,
That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse.

[MFKS]

On a different note Hauss said something id never heard before can someone clear it up.

Do Christians believe that God physically exists within the physical /material universe that Snake lives in. and which Smake and his friends are trying to explore and understand.

Or

Does Snake live in Gods world where the existence of God is forever 'on the outside' of and therefore will never be physically seen by the non believers trying to look for Him no matter what scientific methods they use.

I hope that question made sense.

Sort of doesn't

I will try to do my best with it though

Without trying to upset our non religious followers of the thread our beliefs go along the lines of both of them


As for the first one

God created everything remember?? God owns it and he is in his entire back yard. He is in always in his yard


As for the second one

Snake lives in gods world whether he likes it or not

God showed himself in the form of Jesus Christ so the bit about never being physically seen is relative to the date of your birth and whether the opportunity for one matched up with his life on earth.

Also if God's second coming arrives (before Snake's scientists have cured all disease and made people immortal) and Snake is still alive he will get to see him for himself.

The other thing is Plague if you open your heart and minds and accept god and embrace him as your lord and saviour he will show himself to you.

You won't be walking down the street one day and spot God at the bus stop waiting for the 5 to 9 bus though.

[q-money]

despite snakes insistence that if God appeared in the sky on Saturday, he would believe on Sunday, the more probably scenario is that if God appeared in the sky on Saturday he would be dead on Saturday

yo can someone fill me in on this one?

the only time God is going to reveal himself in the future - he is going to kill everyone, and everything?

[leftrightout]

Snake lives in gods world whether he likes it or not

This is the kind of comment that gets people offside with the whole thing.

You BELIEVE Snake lives in gods world whether he likes it or not. Just as snake BELIEVES he doesn't.

Probably being captain obvious here and it has more than likely been said already but you can't claim your religion as fact the same as Snake cant claim his science as 110% fact as theories keep changing.

You are arguing virtually the same argument from the two sides of the story. Both sides here are being as hypocritical as each other.

[Captain Obvious]

Probably being captain obvious here

No you're not.
I am.

[plague]

Still didn't see one bit of credible proof in that statement

To be fair though we need to be careful what we claim as proof in all historical matters.

Wilt Chamberlain had a 100pt game in the NBA one day.
Everyone freely admits it, treats it like one of the top 5 events in the leagues history.

Not much proof though.