2015 NPL Youth

[Why Blue]

Was it an acceptable performance? Not sure.


From what I heard, NT (9) and Tas (6) both had a number of overage players in their squads to help bolster their teams.

I have not heard that that the EJ 15's were thoroughly beaten in any game - 1 goal difference in every loss? My mail suggested that games were lost on one or two simple mistakes that were capitalised on by the opposition. Illustrates the need for these kids should be playing in a higher level of competition week in - week out.

When considering the population that each of the other states pull from and the competitions they play in - maybe the performance is not so bad. E.g. NSW Metro and Vic have 4-5 kids of equal strength to pull from in each position - which drives a really healthy level of competition for places in these squads. Do we have this level of depth in Newcastle? Not sure.

Interesting you have targeted an individual in the team for criticism...at the end of the day, these are kids, who are selected by others and are out there doing their best. I think you should remember that. (Regardless of whether you think they should have or not) that team I thought won the NPL 17's GF last year - so they cannot be all bad.

Barry

Couple of things

You cry fowl that NT &Tas have 16yo's yet praise this squad for winning U17 comp ????
Population ..... Serious I think this is most people's complaint......from the whole NNSWF drawing area, which is enormous, not one child could make the squad ???? The fact that other area's have in your words 4-5 kids of equal strength for each position simply highlights what a joke the EJ program is !!!!! Why don't we ??

Targeting a couple of individual's ok
But it was more about questioning the program .......why is a kid still there that has been striking the ball over goals for over 4yrs ?? And why bring in a kid and try to get him to play contrie to how he has played for the last 5-6 years ???
And Barry let the GF go we are talking now , have they developed further since the GF ???

[big jim]

Barry boy I think you are a little narrow minded

I think Northern could come up with a least a couple of equal strength players IF they looked
I really only know this years U/15's but I have often thought that it would be possible to name a squad from this years semi finalist that could challenge the EJ squad
Then you have the rest of the comp, then you have mid coast, far coast and Northern inland

Real question is if these kids were given same opportunity as EJ kids would they perform better

At least give them a chance

[Bremsstrahlung]

Pick the best players, then we can truly assess our ability as a region.

[Barry Dawson]

Barry boy I think you are a little narrow minded

I think Northern could come up with a least a couple of equal strength players IF they looked
I really only know this years U/15's but I have often thought that it would be possible to name a squad from this years semi finalist that could challenge the EJ squad
Then you have the rest of the comp, then you have mid coast, far coast and Northern inland

Real question is if these kids were given same opportunity as EJ kids would they perform better

At least give them a chance

I don't think I am narrow minded.

Agree with all you guys are saying - but NNSW is challenged by distance. While it's ok to think we have a big drawing pool and there are parents prepared to move to Newcastle to let their kids follow their dreams - but most won't - thus reducing the pool.

Even if they come up with a couple of players - we don't have the 4-5 other jurisdictions have - and the program does not play in the Sydney NPL - so their development will not be at same pace as the Sydney kids etc.

Full disclosure - I have a child in the program - yes I pay for it - yes it has room for improvement - yes I have a pretty good handle on NPL club operations - yes the coaches the EJ kids huger access to are generally better quality.

If that makes me narrow minded.....

[mother theresa]

I don't think I am narrow minded.

Agree with all you guys are saying - but NNSW is challenged by distance. While it's ok to think we have a big drawing pool and there are parents prepared to move to Newcastle to let their kids follow their dreams - but most won't - thus reducing the pool.

Even if they come up with a couple of players - we don't have the 4-5 other jurisdictions have - and the program does not play in the Sydney NPL - so their development will not be at same pace as the Sydney kids etc.

Full disclosure - I have a child in the program - yes I pay for it - yes it has room for improvement - yes I have a pretty good handle on NPL club operations - yes the coaches the EJ kids huger access to are generally better quality.

If that makes me narrow minded.....

excuses excuses excuses
Older kids were playing, when you lose, but you rub it in when you win! ie GF we bring up always.

positioned 3rd last in every National Tournament for the last 5+ years. In business the CEO and its staff would be terminated and replaced with new, after continual poor performances.
Big Baz, your 2nd last sentence proves to me, exactly what we create in this region, poor egotistical and damaged kids who did have potential before entering the community development pathway, Big Baz i hope your son doesn't end up in New FM league or community football like many next year, as the writing on the wall shows, they continue to select kids from central coast, Sydney etc, and sack our own when it really counts.

[Why Blue]

I don't think I am narrow minded.

Agree with all you guys are saying - but NNSW is challenged by distance. While it's ok to think we have a big drawing pool and there are parents prepared to move to Newcastle to let their kids follow their dreams - but most won't - thus reducing the pool.

Even if they come up with a couple of players - we don't have the 4-5 other jurisdictions have - and the program does not play in the Sydney NPL - so their development will not be at same pace as the Sydney kids etc.

Full disclosure - I have a child in the program - yes I pay for it - yes it has room for improvement - yes I have a pretty good handle on NPL club operations - yes the coaches the EJ kids huger access to are generally better quality.

If that makes me narrow minded.....

Barry answer me this, given that we all play in the NNSWF comp area and yes it is a large area why should a kid with any abity have to move to Newcastle ??? Why can't NNSWF provide for all kids under thier control ????

Answer .........because they have this incessant need to continue funding elite program to 16 kids in each age group
And that is wrong

Oh and here was no need for your disclosure
You were well and truly marked as an EJ parent

[Why Blue]

excuses excuses excuses
Older kids were playing, when you lose, but you rub it in when you win! ie GF we bring up always.

positioned 3rd last in every National Tournament for the last 5+ years. In business the CEO and its staff would be terminated and replaced with new, after continual poor performances.
Big Baz, your 2nd last sentence proves to me, exactly what we create in this region, poor egotistical and damaged kids who did have potential before entering the community development pathway, Big Baz i hope your son doesn't end up in New FM league or community football like many next year, as the writing on the wall shows, they continue to select kids from central coast, Sydney etc, and sack our own when it really counts.

MT you have nailed it
This is a commercially funded programme, funded by the registration of every person who plays the game in NNSWF, it is under performing and as such needs to be looked into

What big baz is saying is that these are our best,they just can't compete against the better teams !!!! Not good enough. Change the program, change the squads,the coaching............if it's not working look at what might

[mother theresa]

MT you have nailed it
This is a commercially funded programme, funded by the registration of every person who plays the game in NNSWF, it is under performing and as such needs to be looked into

What big baz is saying is that these are our best,they just can't compete against the better teams !!!! Not good enough. Change the program, change the squads,the coaching............if it's not working look at what might

WB
simple- hit delete on the EJets,then there is no bye!!!!!
invest the time,the resources( not coaches),the community facilities and the monies in the 3 premier competitions, help all clubs develop more players....
But hey! they say consistency is a good thing, and they are consistently shit. but they did win the GF

[big jim]

So Barry boy you have a child in the program and given you have only ever spoken about one team can we assume the U/15 team this year

Tell me Barry, what is the end result. Where is your son going ?

Jets youth ? Then onto A Leage ?

Let's start at jets youth, let's hope that powers that be don't continue bringing in players from Central Coast & Sydney as had been a trend, then of course you have the dozen or so 15 & 16 yo kids that are already playing senior football in the NPL then maybe one day NNSWF might even start bringing far coast and Northern inland kids down.
Interested in how you see it ?

[MFKS]

BArry NNSW has more kids to pick from than any other fed besides NSW

We have more than Victoria. Why can they have 4-5 kids for each position and we can't???

Stop making excuses

NNSW is not pulling its weight

[ForeverRed]

We pulled our weight in the 70s and 80s, nnswf actually won a title in that era, what's different now, kids can't be themselves on the park, if you show any flare you get put back to fullback,

[early_to_the_match]

We pulled our weight in the 70s and 80s, nnswf actually won a title in that era, what's different now, kids can't be themselves on the park, if you show any flare you get put back to fullback,

And yet they keep allowing some kids to take up to 20 shots a game from outside the box without a single one on target, while ignoring better positioned players who could have taken the shot. The inconsistency some coaches show when dealing with certain kids can be baffling!!

[Barry Dawson]

So Barry boy you have a child in the program and given you have only ever spoken about one team can we assume the U/15 team this year

Tell me Barry, what is the end result. Where is your son going ?

Jets youth ? Then onto A Leage ?

Let's start at jets youth, let's hope that powers that be don't continue bringing in players from Central Coast & Sydney as had been a trend, then of course you have the dozen or so 15 & 16 yo kids that are already playing senior football in the NPL then maybe one day NNSWF might even start bringing far coast and Northern inland kids down.
Interested in how you see it ?

Actually not in 15s but close - so I get to see the games and the kids around that age group both from EJ and NPL Clubs.
I played my chosen sport at national level (not football) as a late teen/20's - so under no illusion about where things can go - both up and down. I have boys in NPL, Newcastle and EJ programs - And I keep them grounded in this respect. But looking back, if my parents did not give me the opportunities to be the best I could be - my life would have been very different.
Whether the EJ program you are all so keen to bash is the best program? But it's the best avenue we have currently.
The dropping of players will only get worse as the EJs get closes to youth - no different in NPL - at least 6 were dropped from Lambton in the move from 15 to 17. It hurts to have your kids dropped from a team - no doubt. But be real in your expectations - the chance of any of the current batch of 13-18yo's in any club or program in Newcastle making a league or higher is low.

[big jim]

Actually not in 15s but close - so I get to see the games and the kids around that age group both from EJ and NPL Clubs.
I played my chosen sport at national level (not football) as a late teen/20's - so under no illusion about where things can go - both up and down. I have boys in NPL, Newcastle and EJ programs - And I keep them grounded in this respect. But looking back, if my parents did not give me the opportunities to be the best I could be - my life would have been very different.
Whether the EJ program you are all so keen to bash is the best program? But it's the best avenue we have currently.
The dropping of players will only get worse as the EJs get closes to youth - no different in NPL - at least 6 were dropped from Lambton in the move from 15 to 17. It hurts to have your kids dropped from a team - no doubt. But be real in your expectations - the chance of any of the current batch of 13-18yo's in any club or program in Newcastle making a league or higher is low.

Firstly Barry boy thanks for the bio on your sporting achievements gives a valuable insight

2nd not bashing the EJ program, just think most here see it for what it is, glad you are happy, hope it is all you expect

You didn't answer my question directly about your expectations of your sons future but indirectly you have in your last sentence

Why won't kids from club program make A League or higher ??? Is it because these will be full of kids from the Emerging Jets program ?

Stay with the emerging jets Barry boy they need parents like you,keep paying I'm sure your son will be able to pay you back when he gets all these contracts thrown at him

[Bremsstrahlung]

Development and selection discrepancies occur all the time.
Kale Bradberry scored more goals than Andrew Hoole in their Youth at Magic. Kale was such an attacking weapon , much more so than Andrew Hoole. Hoole was selected into Jets Youth before Kale. Kale was eventually included. Look where they are now.

[hawk]

Can we respond to Barry without being immature fw's.

Everyone has put up good points on what I think is the most important area of nnsw football but also seem to add the boot in

[The Dunster]

If you are good enough your parents financial situation has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you can make it.
The kids who don't have the financial backing that are good enough will be picked up and offered positions gratis - be that in elite programs or with elite clubs.
The kids riding on their parents money are well and truly sorted out before they turn 20 years old in most cases regardless of the sport.

[Local Rules]

If you are good enough your parents financial situation has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you can make it.
The kids who don't have the financial backing that are good enough will be picked up and offered positions gratis - be that in elite programs or with elite clubs.
The kids riding on their parents money are well and truly sorted out before they turn 20 years old in most cases regardless of the sport.

Unfortunately in NNSWFF area this is not the case at present. This is the argument for having every player in NPL/NewFM clubs in the juniors and having an additional training squad with the EJ's or whatever they want to call it. Each Zone pulls together a training squad from those within their competition area that are selected by a panel of coaches/selectors and then combined to bring in as a single squad after the TD of Northern and a couple of others have viewed them. Get rid of the top heavy structure at present and allow it to be run from grass roots with talent identification rather than the constant cronyism that seems to exist at present.

[big jim]

Can we respond to Barry without being immature fw's.

Everyone has put up good points on what I think is the most important area of nnsw football but also seem to add the boot in

All due respect Hawk but Barry is pretty vocal with his comments we have right of reply

I'll cop sarcastic but immature fw ? Bit rich
Public forum were discuss opinions

[Why Blue]

To be honest I find Barry's comments more immature and totally disrespctful of all the kids playing in NPL Youth

Couple of things to consider Barry
EJ's have hardly dominated NPL Youth last two seasons
Kids returning from EJ's to NPL Youth have hardly been stand out's, quality yes but not dominant
One example end of this year an EJ who played U16 this year in U19 comp was only considered at club for U17.........even though he played 19's this year

Point is yes some good players in EJ program but also some really good players in NPL as well

Also don't dismiss the work some clubs are doing with thier youth
Some quality program's in place, quality TD's, quality coaching, building synthetic training pitches, useing GPS data to help develop players

Yep all at club land

My thoughts.......if my son plays first grade NPL it will be a massive achievement from him, any further will depend totally in him and how he commits to opportunities as they present
Barry, don't be so dismissive of kids in NPL, they just might take your sons place