Daily Australian News Thread 2016

[lquiquer]

But then do you do cancer scans? Melanoma checks? Brain scans for CTE?
It's easy to say one particular test would save lives but so would a bunch of others how thorough do you want clubs to be ("just thorough enough to prevent every single issue" says Member).

Rightly or wrongly I guess clubs just expect your ticker is ok if you're young and fit.

Of all players who collapse and pass away on the pitch (or in ambulance on the way to hospital) it's all secondary to heart condition. Sudden death on the pitch is not secondary to cancer .....Congenital / genetic heart conditions are more common than generally recognised

[The Dunster]

But then do you do cancer scans? Melanoma checks? Brain scans for CTE?
It's easy to say one particular test would save lives but so would a bunch of others how thorough do you want clubs to be ("just thorough enough to prevent every single issue" says Member).

Rightly or wrongly I guess clubs just expect your ticker is ok if you're young and fit.

Good to see someone on the same channel as me Plague.

[BP Super Dynamos]

Mooy has signed with Huddersfield on loan

[MFKS]

Mooy has signed with Huddersfield on loan

So I thought he was coming back to Heart based on all the rantings of those who chose to dispute my claim he would be shipped out on loan ??

[MFKS]

Good to see someone on the same channel as me Plague.

After the death of Marc Vivien Foe at the Confederations Cup on the pitch during the game FIFA mandated that at all their tournaments players be screened for heart issues.

Foe was an EPL player and Man City hadn't picked up his issue.

Since it got mandated clubs have made it SOP for them

If we want to be a professional competition then we should be doing the same thing.

That our club sides and NT set ups have neglected to look into this with Naumoff is a glaring indictment at the levels of professionalism in the game in this country.

Naumoff shouldnt have had to take so long to find out and he shouldn't have had to get a Spanish second division club to do a test.
It should have been done here a while ago

[plague]

Man, one day I'm gonna find out where you blokes purchased those hindsight glasses from because they are ****ing amazing.
Perfect 20/20 vision, Everytime.

Cmon, fess up, where they at?

[Jeterpool]

I'm not a doctor, so I'd appreciate someone with a bit more knowledge in the field answering the question, but is it possible that this condition, while genetically present could it not become apparent until the individual has finished growing? Could this explain why it may not have been detected until he is now 20/21?

[GazFish35]

Man, one day I'm gonna find out where you blokes purchased those hindsight glasses from because they are ****ing amazing.
Perfect 20/20 vision, Everytime.

Cmon, fess up, where they at?

This.

[MFKS]

Man, one day I'm gonna find out where you blokes purchased those hindsight glasses from because they are ****ing amazing.
Perfect 20/20 vision, Everytime.

Cmon, fess up, where they at?

Hindsight??

No one died here. Naumoff is alive and kicking

The issue being raised is the lack of screening by football authorities in this country of a problem that others routinely check on

[weston]

Man, one day I'm gonna find out where you blokes purchased those hindsight glasses from because they are ****ing amazing.
Perfect 20/20 vision, Everytime.

Cmon, fess up, where they at?

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Specsavers?

[weston]

I think with all the players collapsing on the field lately due to heart issues I think it's time it's all looked at.

[The Dunster]

I'm not a doctor, so I'd appreciate someone with a bit more knowledge in the field answering the question, but is it possible that this condition, while genetically present could it not become apparent until the individual has finished growing? Could this explain why it may not have been detected until he is now 20/21?

I have a heart condition as does my mother, aunt, and cousin. Cousin died at 27, mothers been told she will need surgery for past 30 years - she's still ok - no surgery, and Aunt was told she would not live to be 30 years old - she's well into her 70's now.

My condition is I have a pericardial cyst which one day will need to be removed if it gets too large. it's not life threatening in my case per se but it can obstruct the way the heart functions and cause anxiety and so on......

Suffice to say though, I've had pretty much every test known to man given my condition and family history.

How my condition was discovered was not from any of these tests - it was when I broke several ribs and it showed up on an x-ray then was confirmed with a ct-scan.

My cousin was tested as well and found to be ok but sure enough an autopsy proved otherwise.

Hence, a lot of this shit comes down to luck - good or bad.

[Jeterpool]

I have a heart condition as does my mother, aunt, and cousin. Cousin died at 27, mothers been told she will need surgery for past 30 years - she's still ok - no surgery, and Aunt was told she would not live to be 30 years old - she's well into her 70's now.

My condition is I have a pericardial cyst which one day will need to be removed if it gets too large. it's not life threatening in my case per se but it can obstruct the way the heart functions and cause anxiety and so on......

Suffice to say though, I've had pretty much every test known to man given my condition and family history.

How my condition was discovered was not from any of these tests - it was when I broke several ribs and it showed up on an x-ray then was confirmed with a ct-scan.

My cousin was tested as well and found to be ok but sure enough an autopsy proved otherwise.

Hence, a lot of this shit comes down to luck - good or bad.

Thanks Dunster. Great post!

[lquiquer]

I have a heart condition as does my mother, aunt, and cousin. Cousin died at 27, mothers been told she will need surgery for past 30 years - she's still ok - no surgery, and Aunt was told she would not live to be 30 years old - she's well into her 70's now.

My condition is I have a pericardial cyst which one day will need to be removed if it gets too large. it's not life threatening in my case per se but it can obstruct the way the heart functions and cause anxiety and so on......

Suffice to say though, I've had pretty much every test known to man given my condition and family history.

How my condition was discovered was not from any of these tests - it was when I broke several ribs and it showed up on an x-ray then was confirmed with a ct-scan.

My cousin was tested as well and found to be ok but sure enough an autopsy proved otherwise.

Hence, a lot of this shit comes down to luck - good or bad.

Sorry to hear about you and your family heart condition Dunster. Pericardial cyst is a very rare condition, don't know the numbers but after working for 15 years as a cardiac sonographer (cardiac ultrasound / echocardiogram) I have seen one suspected pericardial cyst (never confirm by biopsy). MV foe, Naumoff and others who died on the pitch they have a condition called hypertrophic cardiomyopathy ( abnormal thickening of the heart muscle / usually the septum ). I know Naumoff has got it because I talked to the cardiologist who saw him in Sydney. It's life threatening because of fatal arrhythmia associated with it + can cause obstruction of flow with exercise. They were born with it and and echocardiogram WOULD detect it. Also thorough family medical history and ECG could also help. Implanted defibrilator ( which Naumoff will get) and professional sport not compatible just yet. There are a lot of controversy about testing all professional sportsmen with echocardiogram, more so in the US. Some argue that thorough family medical history and ECG is sufficient enough. My personal opinion is because of relatively low cost (see one of my previous post) echocardiogram should be mandatory at Aleague level. Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy is not a rare condition, not 100% sure but strongly suspect Ribeiro had it, that's one player of the Jets family, they could be more and autopsy not the best way to find out.

[MFKS]

Jeterpool

In light of this discussion and some of the points raised about the costs and benefits of these tests

Can you raise a query with the Gypo CEO in your interview on what the club currently does on this front as well as what they plan to be doing if they don't do anything at present

Being we have had 1 of our former players die and we may have had Naumoff here if he had of came when Devon head wanted out we as a club could have another issue easily

[plague]

Hindsight??

No one died here. Naumoff is alive and kicking

The issue being raised is the lack of screening by football authorities in this country of a problem that others routinely check on

Because it's after the fact yet this is the first time you've raised this issue as an indictment on the club/league and said how terrible it is.

Kind of how hindsight works.

[Jeterpool]

Jeterpool

In light of this discussion and some of the points raised about the costs and benefits of these tests

Can you raise a query with the Gypo CEO in your interview on what the club currently does on this front as well as what they plan to be doing if they don't do anything at present

Being we have had 1 of our former players die and we may have had Naumoff here if he had of came when Devon head wanted out we as a club could have another issue easily

We'll put this in with the other questions, yep.

[plague]

after working for 15 years as a cardiac sonographer (cardiac ultrasound / echocardiogram)

Have you ever had any cases of Kawasaki disease come across your desk?

[lquiquer]

Have you ever had any cases of Kawasaki disease come across your desk?

Yep but usually picked up as a baby / child (but haven't scan babies for nearly then years now). Affects the heart with dilated / aneurysmal coronary arteries.

[plague]

Yep but usually picked up as a baby / child (but haven't scan babies for nearly then years now). Affects the heart with dilated / aneurysmal coronary arteries.

So did you get many in after developing the symptoms as kids (i.e. Getting picked up in that crucial first 7 days) or later in life with the heart problems wondering what the heck happened?