Put a seat on it - Cycling Thread

[belchardo]

the lance armstrong myth extended in to Livestrong,a foundation set up to promote "awareness".

like his career, livestrong is a complete fabrication built on falsehood, spin and a dodgy idol. for the love of god, they don't even give money to research anymore.

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor....html?page=all

i wonder how many cancer sufferers feel betrayed now because they did believe in armstrong. i do feel sorry for them.

not a skerrick of compassion for lance though. he brought this all on himself.

[parksey]

i'm still a lance fan

the guy was still the best of his generation

and there's no doubting that he has been unfairly dealt with

[sh10]

the lance armstrong myth extended in to Livestrong,a foundation set up to promote "awareness".

like his career, livestrong is a complete fabrication built on falsehood, spin and a dodgy idol. for the love of god, they don't even give money to research anymore.

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor....html?page=all

i wonder how many cancer sufferers feel betrayed now because they did believe in armstrong. i do feel sorry for them.

not a skerrick of compassion for lance though. he brought this all on himself.

MFKS way wide of the mark again...

the guy was still the best of his generation

Was he?

best doper? Yeah.

Best cyclist? Well he's not winning 7 TDFs without the dope so it's pretty hard to claim that

[belchardo]

and there's no doubting that he has been unfairly dealt with

f'ing lol. dream on.

[q-money]

best of his generation fmd

he didn't even race classics

[sh10]

TDF is the only cycling race in the world, isnt it

[boz-monaut]

here's the unedited version of the interview with Oprah

[parksey]

good to see all the guys who don't actually watch cycling or have any knowledge of cycling making their opinions known

for a lot of the greats the tour is the one race that matters. don't really think many would give a **** if they missed out on the giro etc. if they won a few tours.

[belchardo]

what makes you think i don't watch cycling or have any knowledge of it?

regardless, i do know a cheat when masses of conclusive evidence of a continuous, planned doping regime is presented to me.

[parksey]

yeah he did cheat.

so did everyone else in that era. all the guys who testified against him, apparently over 20 people, only did so because they were cheats themselves and wanted a lenient punishment.

just to clarify i don't really have a problem with him being stripped of his titles, but the life time ban is pretty ****ed up considering all the other guys got 6 months. it's obvious that lance is being used as both an example and a scapegoat.

[plague]

wouldnt give a toss if they let him come back to competitive sport. blokes would be lining up to watch/be his mate. All sport is a circus anyway.
he fessed up, so it took him a while. did he do anything worse than Landis or Contador? (yes he did it longer, but was it worse?). Those blokes got back in didnt they?


edit: sorry, forgot that Contador ate some bad meat, he didnt take drugs. blokes been hard done by obviously.

[parksey]

a ban from pro cycling would be fair enough considering he doped for 10 years, but not even being able to run in a local marathon is just a joke.

[plague]

a ban from pro cycling would be fair enough considering he doped for 10 years, but not even being able to run in a local marathon is just a joke.

this.

[belchardo]

a ban from pro cycling would be fair enough considering he doped for 10 years, but not even being able to run in a local marathon is just a joke.

personally, i don't agree with anybody coming back from a drug ban. they knew what they were doing at the time they took the substance.

and quite frankly, the only real punishment that lance seems to have a problem with is the lifetime ban from all WADA sanctioned competitive sports. well good, the punishment should hurt. pretty sure in his mind he still thinks he legitimately won 7 TDF.

[parksey]

nah you're totally right, man

the guy's life should be ruined due to committing the ultimate sin of cheating in a bike race.

[belchardo]

nah you're totally right, man

the guy's life should be ruined due to committing the ultimate sin of cheating in a bike race.

to clarify, i can handle the cheating. what really gets me is the lengths he went to in his defence.

anyway, agree to disagree. you think he's a fallen hero who deserves a second chance cause he's sorry he can't compete in competitive events, even though he knowingly participated in and helped create a sophisticated cheating regime. i think he's a cheating dog who doesn't deserve a second chance because he knowingly participated in and helped create a sophisticated cheating regime.

[parksey]

i didn't say he deserves a second chance, just that the punishment is ridiculous.

who actually cares if the guy runs a marathon?

[baldrick]

Lance was also carving it up training for the Hawaiian Ironman before being suspended by USADA

Was posting some seriously competitive times in lead up events too

[boz-monaut]

to me, these arguments that he doped in cycling should have no impact on him being allowed to compete in other sports would be a bit like saying a football player banned from on competition, say the FA Cup, shouldn't be banned from playing in the A-league

which sounds fair enough until you find out the reason he's banned is because he stabbed a referee in the neck

I'm all for the lifetime ban, I'm all for stripping him of his titles and I'm all for preventing sporting's greatest fraud from being in the public eye ever again - there's no way in hell he'd have fessed up, apologised or even called off his lawyers from suing those who exposed him if he hadn't been caught

he deserves to be remembered as the biggest **** in sport, ever

[sammydog]

good to see all the guys who don't actually watch cycling or have any knowledge of cycling making their opinions known

for a lot of the greats the tour is the one race that matters. don't really think many would give a **** if they missed out on the giro etc. if they won a few tours.

I'd much rather watch the Paris Roubaix or the Tour of Flanders to be honest.