This won't work as reasons from above which does hurt some clubs with that 1 strong grade.
But clubs need to be vigilant across all grades if they really want that top division.
Even youth it is a disadvantage for clubs who dont have $$$ but that is a barrier they need to solve.
What will be interesting when decoupling comes is how the cost will impact players/clubs. Current NPL clubs charge a lot more than NL1 clubs. Now that they are all likely to be in the same comp (albeit with multiple levels) will the "cheaper" clubs become more attractive? Might not happen immediately, but could be a consequence. And if NPL clubs are forced to be cheaper, how will that impact the senior squad and budgets.
Interesting times ahead!
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I can't imagine too many NL1 clubs will want to raise fees to match NPL. They have struggled enough this year to filed teams and some can't. I've been told one of the reasons why Cooks Hill can't field a team this year in the 16s is the increased cost was not what parents were promised. If you are a parent of a kid in a current NPL club that gets "dropped" to the second tier, will you want to pay what you did at the top level when you are no longer in it?
As I said, interesting times ahead!
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Does anyone know the difference in fees between the dearest in NPL and cheapest in NL1? I was told most NPL were around $1300.I agree that gouging clubs on rego just because they are now 'NPL' level whether level 1,2 or 3 is stupid and greedy.The federations should have a fixed fee as their cut and then let clubs charge whatever they determine to be the cost of running their programs.Id love to call for a maximum price but that wont happen either.
Last edited by sapdad; 25-05-2022 at 05:48 PM.
Club Fees to NNSW for NPL are as follows:
Per Youth player: $124.88
Per Snr Player: $209.69
Competition fee: $10,243.75
Match Official Appointments officer: $770
FFA Cup: $907.50
Discipline Levy: $825
Match official Fees: $13,945
Rough numbers total then assuming 36 Snr players, 64 Youth Players:
Total NPL Participation Fees: $44,193.49
So only considering the money paid to NNSW that divided by 110 players is $402 per player
That's obviously before any club costs -> Ground hire and maintenance, Coaching, TDs, Equipment, clothing etc, etc
This is good insight.
So most of our NPL clubs charge approx $1500 per head fees for youth. Some more, some less, but let’s go with $1500.
Based on 64 youth players most clubs would generate $96K in fees. Minus $44K fees, there is a $50K surplus. How much does the ground hire/maintenance, coaching, equipment cost generally? It’s not $50K hopefully.
Add your JDL fees on top, minus your coaching, ground fees again, and NPL clubs should have the funds available to progress well. What they do with that money however is the source of debate and frustration as most accept this goes into the senior funds.
If we are decoupling youth, let’s decouple the fee streams as well and see whether we can develop our youth better. More money should mean better coaching, development, opportunities. That’s something we can all get on board with.
I think you're heavily underestimating costs for clubs here.
Average grounds rental for year including lighting etc $30,000
Maintenance on ground $10,000
Clothing - $200 per player: 200 * 100 players = $20,000
Youth coaching not sure but maybe $1500 per team? Plus TD which is mainly youth focused at maybe $10/15k? + 10/15K per 1st grade team?
Equipment ~$5kpa?
So let's assume 100 players at $1500 each rego, that's 150k
less NNSW fees, that's $105K
Less the club costs (~$95K) above is ~$10k left.
I'm sure there are heaps of activities clubs do that I haven't considered costs for. I also see clubs at Gyms, or LMRFF. Clubs have match day physios, VEO Cameras etc
The cost of regos is very high, but the reality is that the price is more or less the cost of running the programs. Demand has shifted to expect a much higher quality program. Qualified coaches and TDs, demand for the best quality pitches, expectations around clothing, expectations around training equipment and facilities etc
The obvious question is how are 1st grade players paid etc, and clubs would argue that they are paid from sponsorship, gate takings, canteen taking etc.
My feel is that you may be overestimating the costs for grounds, maintenance, kit. Remember that a club pays one set of ground fees whether its for JDL, youth or seniors, and then recoups fees across all these groups. Some clubs include kit in the rego fees, others charge more on top. Coaching fees are minimal, somewhere around the amount one youth player rego fees. Yes some train out at Speers Point but equipment is not an every year thing. I am confident after all outlays there is ample left for this to be ploughed back into youth but it does not. It goes into a seniors black hole and doesn't come out again.
Yes sponsorship, gate money, canteen helps pay seniors but younger grades fees help more. I would just like to see what goes in to youth comes out at the other end. Clubs are generally doing good jobs across the cities in youth but on a shoestring when there could be more $$ if youth fees were kept separate from seniors.
Show me a club that publishes there full fees breakdown from seniors down to JDL. If you cannot then ask why.
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Postponed Matches in Second Half of the Season (13-18s Only)
As previously mentioned, we currently have 340+ rescheduled matches, some of which are now starting to be rescheduled as late as July. Many of the rescheduled matches this and coming midweeks are also unlikely to be played because of the current continued rain and will need to be rescheduled to a later date.
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NPLM 18s / Rounds 13-22 (plus rescheduled round 1 in August)
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NL1 18s / Rounds 12-22
NL1 13-15s / Rounds 12-22
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It is Northern NSW Football’s intention to ensure, at a minimum, all matches from the first half of the season are played. Whilst we understand not playing matches is extremely disappointing, it is realistic to predict that we will still have matches originally postponed from the first half the season being played in July and August in the lead up to finals.
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