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    Quote Originally Posted by Taffy View Post
    wouldn't be surprised if Kotara are in talks they had an age group compete in each of the age groups for the Youth Cup this year.
    They seem to have one of the bigger junior bases in the city dont they?Was always surprised they dont have a JDL program by now,I know in my oldests sons age in the early days of SAP there were a lot of kids who played miniroos at Kotara but moved clubs to get into a SAP team.Are there any other decent sized junior clubs out there?Maybe Mayfield?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    Was always surprised they dont have a JDL program by now,I know in my oldests sons age in the early days of SAP there were a lot of kids who played miniroos at Kotara but moved clubs to get into a SAP team.
    They used to have NET though did struggle at the time.

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    Just saw Charlestown (winners of Div2 phase 1) play Cooks Hill (losers of Div1 phase 1) today

    Will be interesting to see how 1st and last stack up against each other between the 2 divisions

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOW2.0 View Post
    Just saw Charlestown (winners of Div2 phase 1) play Cooks Hill (losers of Div1 phase 1) today

    Will be interesting to see how 1st and last stack up against each other between the 2 divisions
    'Losers'.

    lol

    Get a grip mate.

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    I ducked down to watch the 14, 15 and some 16 azzuri v Cooks
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    1-0 CH I?d say they were even across the whole match but CH had the better 1st half and scored a goal which is all that matters in the end (that?s why England is playing tomorrow)
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    4-0 CH were just the better team.
    I was excited to see the Zero tolerance for ref abuse. AND I got to watch the CH coach abuse an official, and when he got his yellow he kept going at the young ref.
    Buddy was on the halfway line saying he knew better than the AR (who was in the correct position) and the ref (edge of the 18 yard) whether the ball crossed the line.

    Still always good to watch and Azzuri has improved since I last watched them

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    Anyone know what is happening with the PYL Cup and plate competition. I have not seen any scores or draws since round 2.
    Also it really is ridiculous that apart from PYLA, all other teams not in the top division basically play 11 glorified trial games before a 6-7 game sprint competition. I dont know what the answer is.
    The alternatives to the current system is have 3 divisions from the start of the season and play everyone 3 times meaning 21 game competition and promote relegate at the end of the season.
    Or two divisions play each other twice for a 22 game season and promote/relegate and end of the year.
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    The 3 division system would be more like for like but it would take longer for a club to go from the bottom to the top or top to the bottom.

    My personal preference is 3 divisions from the start of the season and hold a meaningful competition for all teams and clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    'Losers'.

    lol

    Get a grip mate.
    I didn't mean that in any prejoritive way...but they did in fact lose the Div1 comp phase 1

    What other words should I have thought of to describe the matchup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Box2Box View Post
    Anyone know what is happening with the PYL Cup and plate competition. I have not seen any scores or draws since round 2.
    Also it really is ridiculous that apart from PYLA, all other teams not in the top division basically play 11 glorified trial games before a 6-7 game sprint competition. I dont know what the answer is.
    The alternatives to the current system is have 3 divisions from the start of the season and play everyone 3 times meaning 21 game competition and promote relegate at the end of the season.
    Or two divisions play each other twice for a 22 game season and promote/relegate and end of the year.
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    The 3 division system would be more like for like but it would take longer for a club to go from the bottom to the top or top to the bottom.

    My personal preference is 3 divisions from the start of the season and hold a meaningful competition for all teams and clubs.
    The 18's in group C play 5 games with multiple byes so the finish is at the same time as everyone else. No Wallsend or NIAS makes it a joke.
    Agree with you about 3 divisions of 8 (as long as there are 8 in each group) playing three times. Top 2/3/4 promoted with equivalent demoted. Numbers up and down open to discussion as each have pros and cons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter403 View Post
    The 18's in group C play 5 games with multiple byes so the finish is at the same time as everyone else. No Wallsend or NIAS makes it a joke.
    Agree with you about 3 divisions of 8 (as long as there are 8 in each group) playing three times. Top 2/3/4 promoted with equivalent demoted. Numbers up and down open to discussion as each have pros and cons.
    3 (full) tiers of 8 sounds the most functional while offering a platform for consistent hard/quality matches at those levels of like for like.

    Would be ideal if it was based on team standing, rather than club average (so clubs can build off of success)...and kids can feel empowered to impact the standard they get to play as well. (If you play really well, and your team is excellent, you don't get punished for the club having a poor average.

    I feel that the mid season relegation is far from ideal...although someone suggested to me yesterday, this would work better if, the final phase was a full home and away season (i.e. 11 games phase 1, then 14 games phase 2)...helping to bring us closer to Sydney's 30 round season...they also made a good case for mid week matches too.

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    Will be interesting in a couple of weeks to see who is likely to be re promoted from tier II...think Charlestown managed a draw and a win against Cooks Hill...H/A would probably help with turning that around

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOW2.0 View Post
    Would be ideal if it was based on team standing, rather than club average (so clubs can build off of success)...and kids can feel empowered to impact the standard they get to play as well. (If you play really well, and your team is excellent, you don't get punished for the club having a poor average.

    I feel that the mid season relegation is far from ideal...
    Good to see 2 weeks into phase 2 your son isnt happy with the program.Expressions of interest are out go get him a trial at a top 8 club and be happy.You are flogging a dead horse they arent changing the entire program to suit your kid.Dont worry,your sons club looks likely to get straight back up though so he'll be fine for phase 1 next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    Good to see 2 weeks into phase 2 your son isnt happy with the program.Expressions of interest are out go get him a trial at a top 8 club and be happy.You are flogging a dead horse they arent changing the entire program to suit your kid.Dont worry,your sons club looks likely to get straight back up though so he'll be fine for phase 1 next year.
    Wake up to yourself

    And for your info, my son is at a top 8 club...who cares

    It's not about my kid, it's FOR the betterment of all the kids. Nothing I mention here is for our personal benefit...other than to ensure the completion is strong healthy and meets the goals of developing kids through, the level they find themselves at and hopefully into bigger and better things.

    OMG U absolute plonker, hang your head in shame

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDJ View Post
    I was excited to see the Zero tolerance for ref abuse. AND I got to watch the CH coach abuse an official, and when he got his yellow he kept going at the young ref.
    Should have got the red, 6 weeks to think about that disgraceful behaviour would've done the trick

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOW2.0 View Post
    Would be ideal if it was based on team standing, rather than club average (so clubs can build off of success)...and kids can feel empowered to impact the standard they get to play as well. (If you play really well, and your team is excellent, you don't get punished for the club having a poor average
    Despite the logistical nightmare of individual teams going into different divisions and against different clubs, this method forces the clubs to look at a whole of club approach to not only player development but club development and forces the clubs to focus on all teams rather than just be lucky having one good team and who cares about the rest.


    While the 3 tiers may sound alright, the current system works well in giving some clubs different teams to play fostering better development for the players and something to aspire to. While I do feel for those in Div C 18s who have byes currently, it wouldn't be any better for them by splitting the group into 3 for the entire year. It's not as though professional leagues don't split up and I hardly doubt they are calling them glorified trial matches

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOW2.0 View Post

    And for your info
    A few posts ago you were referring to a group of 12-17 year old kids as losers,and when you were called out by another user you replied that they were,in fact losers.So please save me the lecture.Someone also wondered about Div 2 teams playing relegated Div 1 teams so I had a look back.This weekend there were 3 matchups.
    2023 Matchday: Cooks Hill 12 points (10 goals scored), Azzurri 0 points (1 goal scored)
    2024 Matchday: Cooks Hill 7 points, (7 goals), Azzurri 7 points (8 goals).

    2023 Matchday New Lambton 10pts (8 goals) vs Adamstown 3 pts (3 goals).
    2024 Matchday New Lambton 9pts (10 goals) vs Adamstown 3 pts (7 goals). No 15s played.

    2023 Matchday Sth Cardiff 2pts (1 goal) vs Mid Coast 11 pts (29 goals).
    2024 Matchday Sth Cardiff 7pts (7 goals) vs Mid Coast 7 pts (11 goals).

    I'll let you all draw your own conclusions (sorry if any of my math is incorrect).

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    Almost like competitions have "winners" and "losers"...odd that

    I referred to the club has having lost phase 1, not to kids...(And not that they were "losers" in any prejoritive sense...simply to highlight it was an interesting clash coming up between the 1st placed club of Div2 and the last placed club of Div1...I find it hard to believe that people would not comprehend that

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    A few posts ago you were referring to a group of 12-17 year old kids as losers,and when you were called out by another user you replied that they were,in fact losers.So please save me the lecture.Someone also wondered about Div 2 teams playing relegated Div 1 teams so I had a look back.This weekend there were 3 matchups.
    2023 Matchday: Cooks Hill 12 points (10 goals scored), Azzurri 0 points (1 goal scored)
    2024 Matchday: Cooks Hill 7 points, (7 goals), Azzurri 7 points (8 goals).

    2023 Matchday New Lambton 10pts (8 goals) vs Adamstown 3 pts (3 goals).
    2024 Matchday New Lambton 9pts (10 goals) vs Adamstown 3 pts (7 goals). No 15s played.

    2023 Matchday Sth Cardiff 2pts (1 goal) vs Mid Coast 11 pts (29 goals).
    2024 Matchday Sth Cardiff 7pts (7 goals) vs Mid Coast 7 pts (11 goals).

    I'll let you all draw your own conclusions (sorry if any of my math is incorrect).

    I can only comment on the CH vs Azzuri stats but they are way off

    2024
    u13s 0-0
    u14s CH won 1-0
    u15s CH won 4-0
    u16s CH won 4-1
    u18s Azzuri won 4-1

    CH 10 points azzuri 4 points

    2023
    u13s CH won 3-0
    u14s CH won 1-0
    u15s CH won 1-0
    u16s Azzuri didnt have team
    u18s Azzuri won 5-1

    CH 9 points azzuri 3 points

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    Quote Originally Posted by AVB View Post
    I can only comment on the CH vs Azzuri stats but they are way off
    Thanks,yes I had one of the age groups backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    Good to see 2 weeks into phase 2 your son isnt happy with the program.Expressions of interest are out go get him a trial at a top 8 club and be happy.You are flogging a dead horse they arent changing the entire program to suit your kid.Dont worry,your sons club looks likely to get straight back up though so he'll be fine for phase 1 next year.
    Have you had a stroke or something since joining PYL from SAP?? its like yesterday you woke up and decided to be an absolute t***pot for no reason. like wtf?

    Also kotara can't have JDL teams without a licence and northern don't just go around handing out JDL licences to clubs for funsies. It's unlikely clubs in the middle of Newcastle will get them, they will want them to spread outwards from the Newcastle centre where there's a serious lack of training grounds.

    WOW is right, an 18 game season is ridiculous and I'm not sure it's worth the $1000 less I paid in fees Vs the 30 game season my kid got last year. Its almost 5 less games a season then the last system and I can't for the life of me work out why we don't play everyone twice after the season splits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KITZ View Post
    Have you had a stroke or something since joining PYL from SAP?? its like yesterday you woke up and decided to be an absolute t***pot for no reason. like wtf?

    Also kotara can't have JDL teams without a licence and northern don't just go around handing out JDL licences to clubs for funsies. It's unlikely clubs in the middle of Newcastle will get them, they will want them to spread outwards from the Newcastle centre where there's a serious lack of training grounds.

    WOW is right, an 18 game season is ridiculous and I'm not sure it's worth the $1000 less I paid in fees Vs the 30 game season my kid got last year. Its almost 5 less games a season then the last system and I can't for the life of me work out why we don't play everyone twice after the season splits.
    I agree after the split should be home and away. Scrap the 3 glorified trial in the preseason cup. This part looks like it ends in mid August

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    Quote Originally Posted by KITZ View Post
    Have you had a stroke or something since joining PYL from SAP?? its like yesterday you woke up and decided to be an absolute t***pot for no reason. like wtf?
    I have a problem with people referring to a bunch of 12-17 year old kids as losers and I wasnt the only one.My weekends are spent interacting with parents/coaches who feel very comfortable shitting on clubs and kids be they players or officials and I find it embarrassing.I long for the day when behaviour at games and discussions on here center on bigger issues rather than putting people down.Take exception to my attitude all you want and if you think I overreacted thats fine ill cop it.

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