Rogic left for Europe so the posters claim unless they leave Australia is valid too.Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Rogic left for Europe so the posters claim unless they leave Australia is valid too.
I took the reference to having left for overseas as meaning not being here to participate in the academy structure (bypassing)
But apart from Rogic's very brief stint with "Nike Academy FC"...measured in months in 2011 (the year he turned 19), he was entirely domestically made, in spite of the Australian system neglecting what was obviously a very talented kid
You are still laboring this point when a couple of posts earlier it was explained to you that our 2 most recent examples of a player 'making it' were shown to have come from outside this elite group you are longing for.People are basing everything around scorelines when its one of the least important markers for evaluating individual players.
Didn't realise you meant your earlier comment toward me: Your claim
Archie Goodwin played for Cooks Hill until he was 8...then joined the Jets system (they used to have a SAP team from u9s, along with Macquarie Football, etc for those who remember)
And, as I said before...Connor Metcalfe had moved to Melbourne City the year he turned 15 (where he played in their NPL setup. He is listed as having played youth football for South Cardiff, NNSW NTC and FFV NTC (NTC being national training centre)...not sure if being part of that allowed him to continue at South Cardiff, or if the Victorian NTC happaned at the same time as playing NPL down there...but let's say he did play for South Cardiff until 14.
I'm not sure that really supports your claim that either achieved success through local Div.2 clubs 🤷 maybe Connor more so than Goodwin
My claim is that talented kids exist in a lot of places outside of the 8 teams getting the 'best results' in each individual age groups.So I just dont want to focus everything on wins/tables and comp games and if more parents actually put their kids into situations where they got the most individual benefit we would see better players in the long run.
I didn't say anything contrary to that...I know lots of really talented kids not in the top tier...as I pointed out before, a lot are now stuck in tier III for the rest of the year...they would develop further, playing harder and faster opposition...no.1 reason why, pro/rel should be based in team, not on team average
(IMO "blow out" score lines are often psychologically, i.e. a team just collapses after putting in a reasonable effort for most of a game, you can see it's often like a switch is flicked...but there is some body of evidence that suggests those blow outs cause harm: https://drstankovich.com/beyond-the-...outh-athletes/
So I'd say scores matter at least a bit)
Your refusal to read any of what people are saying in good faith is tiresome.Please remind me next time I begin to engage you on this to just not bother.Enjoy your crusade and I hope you win many trophies and prizes.
I honestly feel the same way in interacting with you...but I've never attacked you personally, you have me though
I don't believe you have comprehended anything I have said, at all...you can't seem to admit when you've made a mistake (look at your claiming Archie Goodwin playing community football until he was 8 meant anything at all) 🤦
It's not about trophies, or score lines, I can barely believe that has been a take away from anything I have said...it's about suggesting system improvements that will improve outcomes for kids 🤦
Beat them on the table.
Again shows that by age rather than club is better
Nothing wrong with clubs forced to look at a whole of program rather than just focus on one team and let the others falter.
I was told by one Kahibah coach that they knew they weren't going to get in early June and so were just focusing on the second phase now in the bottom tier and had given teams nights off from training. Considering they finished 2 points short (8 if Adamstown had won their final 2) perhaps they could've kept trying to get more wins rather than giving up early on. Does a club who is happy to give up when it is still possible to get in deserve to be in the top 2 tiers.
Last edited by Taffy; 31-07-2024 at 02:01 PM.
It might be an interesting situation with referees this weekend with several clubs playing both days and therefore a lot of referees being unavailable.
Kahibah 14s and 15s combined phase 1 'wins' vs teams that went into Div 2 = 3 from 7.Probably not the indicator of dominance you were looking for.For the record I would rather Kahibah have stayed in Div 2 on account of Adamstowns inability to field all teams.
If you look at Div 2 table Adamstown are ahead of Belswans, Southy, Cooks Hill and and equal with New Lambton. That tells me the Adamstowns 4 teams deserve to be there. If they were in Div 3 they would be racking up some floggings
Adamstown have played 4 rounds of games.
Cooks Hill have only played 2 rounds
South Cardiff have played 3 rounds
New Lambton 3 rounds
considering each round is worth max 15 points and the gap between rosebus and 7th is 7 points, I dont exactly think this is a great wrap on Adamstown.
From Previous Post:
Div 2
1. Midcoast ~ 30Pts
2. Weston ~ 28Pts
3. Charlestown ~ 23Pts
4. New Lambton ~ 21Pts
5. Rosebuds ~ 21Pts
6. Cooks Hill ~ 16Pts
7. South Cardiff ~ 14Pts
8. Belswans ~ 13Pts
Kahibah hs played twice
The scores for the age groups we're talking about
14s 4-0 W and 9-0 W
15s 4-1 W and 12-0 W
"Floggings" racking up anyway (they had the bye last week)
Kahibah might have beaten the 4 that stayed up only 3 times, but they also only lost twice.
Hearing a lot of issues across the grounds today with club refs in place, Northern pushing ahead despite warnings that this would happen. Be interesting to see what happens to those coaches and players that were sent off for ref abuse at different grounds.
I witnessed and have since heard about a few incidents as well.To be clear,any criticism has to be directed at the NNSW fixtures people,not the refs department.I am reliably informed they didnt want this to happen.Across the board I'd say at least 99% of the players and refs just did their best in an unfortunate situation but the behavior of parents and coaches has been fairly pathetic.It was clear some clubs and coaches were riled up before kickoff thinking they were going to get 'robbed' and conducted themselves in a disgraceful manner.Sadly,most of these people are the ones who are complaining week in week about about something else anyway so nothing is going to change.If NNSW really wanted to implement their zero tolerance policy heres the week to do it.
One ground I was at had qualified refs sitting in the stands and all the players wanting them to ref,but due to others stepping in and being afraid of a conflict they would rather a parent do it.By the time refs get to 15-18 they have been playing with and against kids across the whole spectrum for years.They are friends with them and sometimes teammates/ex-teammates(and soon to be teammates).To automatically think because 'this kid knows that kid' that they would cheat their way through a game is a very sad reflection on the adults in the stands.If there was a little more support for our refs instead of just openly accusing them of being cheats it would go a long way to getting more kids to want to ref,and keep current refs in the system so they get more experience and confidence.But after weekends like this people are just not going to want to do it and the same whingers will be there next week complaining there arent any good refs anymore.
Just to clarify, was this NNSW not even appointing refs for games and leaving it up to the clubs to try and organise officials? if thats the case NNSW should be ashamed
I imagine this absence of refs is most deeply felt in Tier II and the battle for promotion back to Tier I?
I wonder how they work out the rostering each week (and how the system works)
I've heard anecdotally of lots of trained refs sitting in stands watching while that game goes without
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