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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodders View Post
    Id rather have adult club referees or no game than the incompetence being served up today in YPL by Northern.
    If you get all defensive because your kid is part of that then get a tissue and change sport.
    If you feel that strongly Rodders, here?s the nnswf ref website with a contact email on there, I?m sure Brad Carlin would love to hear your constructive feedback: https://www.northernnswfootball.com....ources/referee

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds Forever View Post
    My opinion on referee situation in region. It needs a complete overhaul from the top down.

    It is embarrassing that the 3 local referee associations refuse to work with premier referee department and share resources to ensure all games have referees appointed. How many times do we hear all age games having 3 referees but senior zone games or YPL have none. Hard calls need to be made to create 1 referee department in region.

    I am sure some referees give up due to abuse. However I know first hand that some referees leave to take up employment where money is more frequent over the course of the year. So many times my kids would have games washed out but then not be appointed for the rescheduled games and therefore missed out on some coin.

    Talking about money. I also think NNSW taking money from kids pay to cover admin is a bit rich when you consider the amount of money clubs and players are paying for rego which includes referee costs. Was also shocked at cost to register to referee for 1st year refs, surely NNSW could cover cost and also waive costs in future years to reregister.
    Problem is northern isn?t just the Hunter valley, it?s all the way up to Byron and inland. The local associations run the ?junior? comps, ergo, their primary focus is to provide refs for their games. It?s also not as simple as saying you can take those three and appoint them to PYL as 2 of them may have just played and are running the line for the game after their own. Also, to be blunt, refs don?t want to do games with the same level of scrutiny as PYL. I myself spent years with northern, and I love doing the odd all age or junior game as the players are just happy to be there and play a game. Also, to be blunt, northern doesn?t want to run the junior comps.

    Northern also takes 10%, which isn?t that much. Where else do you suggest they get the money to cover their costs at the moment? With the funding they have, they struggle to get appointments out in a timely manner, let alone if you cut the department?s budget. Or people will say there?s not enough coaching, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodders View Post
    Already have. Not doing a great job. ffs keep up.
    Tbh I don’t give enough of a **** about your rants to even bother to keep up, but thanks for the advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Largesse View Post
    I was sworn at by U11s JDL players. When I asked the coach to have a chat to his boys at half time about respecting the refs decision and moving on with the game (they were a dominant team who played some good football), I was told that they could challenge me because I wasn't a teenage ref and I should get on with it.

    Clubs/coaches/parents set the culture, kids just follow
    Hope you showed them the red cards.

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    With most clubs having just a single round left to go (of our all too short season)

    Div 1 club positions:
    1. Magic ~ 157 Points
    2. Jaffas ~ 151 Points
    3. Olympic ~ 143 Points
    4. Valentine ~ 135 Points
    5. NCF ~ 133 Points
    6. Edgeworth ~ 133 Points
    7. Lake Macquarie ~ 126 Points
    8. Maitland ~ 112 Points

    Seperating 5th and 6th is a GD variation of just 1?so an exciting battle there (NCF has more games in hand though)
    (Sincere congratulations to Lakes 13s, and Olympic 14s on achieving the Minor Premierships in their age groups this weekend)

    Div 2 club positions:
    1. Weston ~ 60Pts
    2. New Lambton ~ 55Pts
    3. MidCoast ~ 50Pts
    4. Charlestown ~ 36Pts
    5. Cooks Hill ~ 35Pts
    6. South Cardiff ~ 32Pts
    7. Rosebuds ~ 24Pts
    8. Belswans ~ 17Pts

    I think it?s safe to say top 3 are sorted, but an interesting battle to the end for 4th, 5th and 6th with just 4 points seperating them
    (Charlestown has played 28 games, Cooks Hill 25 and South Cardiff at 27?so a blanket finish for the last promotion spot)

    N.B. One critique I have heard from some tier II parents is the fact it took them some time to adjust to the higher intensity of the 4 Div 1 clubs who dropped down...H/A phase 2 would have helped with that "acclimatisation" and might have offered greater opportunity for some promotion upsets)


    Div 3 club positions:
    1. West Wallsend ~ 55Pts
    2. Kahibah ~ 43Pts
    3. NIAS ~ 38Pts
    4. Cessnock ~ 37Pts
    5. Thornton ~ 33Pts
    6. Toronto ~ 20Pts
    7. Singleton ~ 19Pts
    8. VACANT

    There are quite a variation in this division, the best GA sits at 28, the worst at 100. GD variation is at best +43 Vs -71
    ~Clubs seem to dominate particular age groups, but not across the board?Interesting to hear people?s thoughts on how to even out this tier of competition~

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    My prediction is Cooks Hill going back up out of those 3 by the skin of their teeth particularly since they have to play Belswans last. Charlestown was most likely with Cooks Hill the most deserving to go down but Charlestown slipped too many times and like last year Cooks Hill gets in because others choked.

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    The final match days at Blacksmiths and Ulinga are going to be intense with 3 of the 4 clubs fighting for that 4th spot!

    I think Cooks Hill comes back up, I think they have the edge in enough age groups and arguably have the easier match day, but they still have to show up on the day of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matjpacker View Post
    The final match days at Blacksmiths and Ulinga are going to be intense with 3 of the 4 clubs fighting for that 4th spot!

    I think Cooks Hill comes back up, I think they have the edge in enough age groups and arguably have the easier match day, but they still have to show up on the day of course.
    Looks like Cooks Hill 16&18?s play midweek also

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hacker View Post
    Looks like Cooks Hill 16&18?s play midweek also
    Looking at the positions in those age groups, I'd say they'll pick up an extra 3 points out of 6

    That will push them into 4th spot

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    Magic and Jaffas once again strong across the grades,I wonder how much the hypothetical 'points dropped' for Olympic vs New Lambton washout will factor in.I dont think for one second Olympic get all the points either if they ended up playing.In tier 2 I think Cooks Hill are safe.From the looks of it Belswans have fared the worst and South Cardiff the improvers since being in Div 2 last year at this time.It will be interesting to see how many of the 20 odd clubs have representation in the finals series after next week.I am with the crowd wanting a home and away round for the 2nd half.Any word on if we will get close to 24 teams in all grades next season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOW2.0 View Post
    N.B. One critique I have heard from some tier II parents is the fact it took them some time to adjust to the higher intensity of the 4 Div 1 clubs who dropped down...H/A phase 2 would have helped with that "acclimatisation" and might have offered greater opportunity for some promotion upsets)
    Funnily enough I was talking to a parent on the weekend who said they underestimated the Div B teams and there are more than one team across the division who dropped points early and may not even make the semis after expecting to win the grand final.Would be interesting to hear form any parents involved in Div 2 if the gap is closer from last year to this year.

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    SAPDAD

    On the gap comment


    Thought this might be a useful comparison, but haven?t given it too much analysis

    2023 Div 2:
    1. Lakes ~ 69Pts (GD +39) ? now 7th in Div 1
    ~so will exclude~

    2. Midcoast ~ 68Pts (GD +62)
    Now 3rd in Div 2 with 50pts +18GD
    PPG
    Then: 2.00 Now: 1.67

    3. New Lambton ~ 60Pts (GD +25)
    Now 2nd in Div 2 with 55Pts +37GD
    PPG
    Then: 1.76 Now: 2.12

    4. Cooks Hill ~ 43Pts (GD -22)
    Now 5th in Div 2 with 35Pts (GD+4)
    PPG
    Then: 1.26 Now: 1.40

    5. Belswans ~ 41Pts (GD -1)
    Now 8th in Div 2 with 17Pts GD -41
    PPG
    Then: 1.21 Now: 0.59

    6. Rosebuds ~ 37Pts (GD -28)
    Now 7th in Div 2 with 24Pts GD -22
    PPG
    Then: 1.09 Now: 1.09

    7. South Cardiff ~ 29Pts (GD -67)
    Now 6th in Div 2 with 32Pts GD -25
    PPG
    Then: 0.85 Now: 1.19

    8. Charlestown ~ 26Pts (GD -8)
    Now 4th in Div 2 with 36Pts GD -17

    PPG
    Then: 0.76 Now 1.29


    Interestingly that the combined goal difference across both seasons in Div 2 is exactly 0 (with a round or 2 to go in 2024)


    In 2023, every Div 2 club *phase 2* had finals representation
    Lakes made finals in every age group (1 in 1st place)
    Midcoast ~ 4 Age Groups (2 in 1st place)
    New Lambton ~ 3 Age Groups (2 in 1st place)
    Belswans ~ 2 Age Groups
    Rosebuds ~ 2 Ages Groups
    Cooks Hill ~ 2 Age Groups
    Charlestown ~ 1 Age Group
    South Cardiff ~ 1 Age Group

    As per current standings only 6 clubs will participate in finals
    New Lambton ~ 5 Ages (1 in 1st place)
    Weston ~ 4 Ages (3 in 1st place)
    Mid Coast ~ 4 Ages (1 in 1st place)
    Cooks Hill ~ 3 Ages
    Charlestown ~ 2 Ages
    South Cardiff ~ 2 Ages

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    Anyone have an opinion of including u18s in Club Championship table?

    Funny that a team might cost a club promotion for the following year, that they won't be a part of.

    Looking at this years table for instance. Cooks Hill u18s are only on 1 point while all their other teams are track for semi finals. So if they get relegated for next year it will be primarily on the perfomance of a group of players that will not be affected by the relegation.

    Also would be interesting to know how clubs prioritise reserve grade vs u18s in the current format. Theres an argument that Reserve grade is the least important team in each club as it doesnt affect pro/rel at all. Does that mean clubs are more inclined to keep players in u18s and earn points instead of promoting them to ressies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AVB View Post
    Anyone have an opinion of including u18s in Club Championship table?

    Funny that a team might cost a club promotion for the following year, that they won't be a part of.

    Looking at this years table for instance. Cooks Hill u18s are only on 1 point while all their other teams are track for semi finals. So if they get relegated for next year it will be primarily on the perfomance of a group of players that will not be affected by the relegation.

    Also would be interesting to know how clubs prioritise reserve grade vs u18s in the current format. Theres an argument that Reserve grade is the least important team in each club as it doesnt affect pro/rel at all. Does that mean clubs are more inclined to keep players in u18s and earn points instead of promoting them to ressies?
    If 18s were not included the changes would be

    Div 2
    Weston to 1st
    NL to 2nd
    Cooks Hill to 4th
    Charlestown to 5th
    (All others stay the same)
    (Promoted: Weston, NL, Mid Coast and Cooks Hill)

    If 18s had not counted NIAS would have been promoted, and Rosebuds would be in Div3 from phase 1


    Div 1 championship changes would be
    Lakes to 3rd
    Olympic to 4th
    Valo to 5th
    NCF to 7th
    All other clubs stay the same


    Div 3 would have WW and Kahibah switch players Kahibah 1, WW 2 (same points and GD but slight better PPG)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AVB View Post
    Anyone have an opinion of including u18s in Club Championship table?

    Funny that a team might cost a club promotion for the following year, that they won't be a part of.

    Looking at this years table for instance. Cooks Hill u18s are only on 1 point while all their other teams are track for semi finals. So if they get relegated for next year it will be primarily on the perfomance of a group of players that will not be affected by the relegation.

    Also would be interesting to know how clubs prioritise reserve grade vs u18s in the current format. Theres an argument that Reserve grade is the least important team in each club as it doesnt affect pro/rel at all. Does that mean clubs are more inclined to keep players in u18s and earn points instead of promoting them to ressies?
    I would argue that a significant portion of U18 squads are made up of U17 players who will play again the following season, so they should be included in the Championship table. I know for our Div 1 club over half of the players in the U18s squad are U17.
    Last edited by Izzy; 14-08-2024 at 11:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izzy View Post
    I would argue that a significant portion of U18 squads are made up of U17 players who will play again the following season, so they should be included in the Championship table. I know for our Div 1 club over half of the players in the U18s squad are U17.
    Massive generalisation. I am well aware of some clubs where the opposite applies. Ideally you want a 50/50 split of 16 & 17 year olds, but sometimes it just doesn't work out.

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    I have no scientific data to back anything up I would just rather see 18s go back with seniors to make a shorter youth day and get 17-18 year olds in and around the seniors environment sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter403 View Post
    Massive generalisation. I am well aware of some clubs where the opposite applies. Ideally you want a 50/50 split of 16 & 17 year olds, but sometimes it just doesn't work out.
    Of course the opposite applies. I said significant portion, not all or most. So answer the questions asked. Do you think U18s should be included in the Championship table? I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    I have no scientific data to back anything up I would just rather see 18s go back with seniors to make a shorter youth day and get 17-18 year olds in and around the seniors environment sooner.
    Agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by sapdad View Post
    I have no scientific data to back anything up I would just rather see 18s go back with seniors to make a shorter youth day and get 17-18 year olds in and around the seniors environment sooner.
    after watching Southy's OBD it was rather dead turning up to watch reggies play and you are correct you need the young ones to be around the senior setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jardelsimage View Post
    after watching Southy's OBD it was rather dead turning up to watch reggies play and you are correct you need the young ones to be around the senior setup.
    Definitely return 18s to the senior group

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