2025 Premier Youth Leagues

[Taffy]

Phase 2 will be one round only.Teams will play each other once.

I know because they said they want to finish all Phase 1 games instead of following their own rules and just deciding Phase 2 on PPG so Phase 2 will start later. But they have now said not all the games will be played so they will be doing PPG on Phase 1 anyway.

They should've just done that in the first place and Phase 2 could be starting next weekend with the originally planned 14 games.

[sapdad]

Im usually pretty quick to defend NNSW but they have to admit they stuffed up here.They had procedures in place and the clubs all knew it but they once again changed direction and made things more difficult.As for any clubs complaining,they are the first people NNSW should ignore as they are only interested in themselves where as NNSW should be all about the whole program.Its a shame as the 2 round phase 2 would have been great but looks like we have to wait til next year again.

[Izzy]

It is a real shame that phase 2 will only be the 1 round. If phase 2 started on the weekend of the 7/8 June, then it would have been completed the weekend of 6/7 September, GF played weekend 20/21 September, which seems reasonable. If NNSW were really worried about equity, base the relegation on PPG (the relegated clubs are already locked in anyways) and reset the points for Div 1 as well.

As others have said, nearly 30% of the league season wiped off is a bit hard to take.

[mic22]

Seems like NNSW (and clubs, to some extent) are happy to do less and less.
Less games, less training... and then somehow they expect to develop young players?

An 18 games season is ridiculous.

For what is worth, I'll be sending a complaint letter and a request for a partial refund.

[Izzy]

A question without notice for the brains trust. My teenage son referees locally in the North Coast Football community competition. I noticed recently that there was a 10% 'fee' deducted from his referring wages each week. When I questioned NCF about this, the answer was that is to cover the 'cost of administration' for the referees department. Does NNSW do this for their refs? NCF wages match those published on the NNSW website LESS the 10% fee.

It seems very odd to me that the kids (and adults) are responsible for these costs and not registration fees from the players. Thoughts?

[sapdad]

A question without notice for the brains trust. My teenage son referees locally in the North Coast Football community competition. I noticed recently that there was a 10% 'fee' deducted from his referring wages each week. When I questioned NCF about this, the answer was that is to cover the 'cost of administration' for the referees department. Does NNSW do this for their refs? NCF wages match those published on the NNSW website LESS the 10% fee.

It seems very odd to me that the kids (and adults) are responsible for these costs and not registration fees from the players. Thoughts?

Yes they do and its just the cost of doing business IMHO.The refs get paid more than pretty much every other youth job and its tax free so they are well in front financially.

[Bremsstrahlung]

A question without notice for the brains trust. My teenage son referees locally in the North Coast Football community competition. I noticed recently that there was a 10% 'fee' deducted from his referring wages each week. When I questioned NCF about this, the answer was that is to cover the 'cost of administration' for the referees department. Does NNSW do this for their refs? NCF wages match those published on the NNSW website LESS the 10% fee.

It seems very odd to me that the kids (and adults) are responsible for these costs and not registration fees from the players. Thoughts?

When I was a ref, there were some fees associated with it. 10% sounds about right.
Clubs would pay cash on the day. Association would send a monthly statement.
I think it was acceptable as like a “finders fee” for them finding and allocating you the work.

I guess they need some funding to survive.
And each club used to do things differently with players too, especially with interdistrict comps, some clubs would say, add a bulk payment as part of rego to cover all match fees. Others would forgo this and teams would pay the referees per game. (Usually juniors were covered by club paying us and seniors was players passing the hat around haha).

I assume/hope things have become a bit more streamlined, but your post suggests otherwise.

[outsider]

A question without notice for the brains trust. My teenage son referees locally in the North Coast Football community competition. I noticed recently that there was a 10% 'fee' deducted from his referring wages each week. When I questioned NCF about this, the answer was that is to cover the 'cost of administration' for the referees department. Does NNSW do this for their refs? NCF wages match those published on the NNSW website LESS the 10% fee.

It seems very odd to me that the kids (and adults) are responsible for these costs and not registration fees from the players. Thoughts?

Referees have been charged a percentage of their fees (10% currently)for as long as I can remember-nothing new-You will find that each referees branch will charge a fee including NNSW.

[Box2Box]

Any whispers on when phase 2 of PYL will actually start. With games still to be played this weekend will Northern try and start phase 2 the following weekend 14 June or will they give themselves an extra week to sort out the draw and commence on weekend of 21 June.

[Taffy]

Any whispers on when phase 2 of PYL will actually start. With games still to be played this weekend will Northern try and start phase 2 the following weekend 14 June or will they give themselves an extra week to sort out the draw and commence on weekend of 21 June.

Poor that your club hasn't told you games to start the weekend 14th/15th June

[Izzy]

Latest Div 1 PPR table.

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[Izzy]

When I was a ref, there were some fees associated with it. 10% sounds about right.
Clubs would pay cash on the day. Association would send a monthly statement.
I think it was acceptable as like a “finders fee” for them finding and allocating you the work.

I guess they need some funding to survive.
And each club used to do things differently with players too, especially with interdistrict comps, some clubs would say, add a bulk payment as part of rego to cover all match fees. Others would forgo this and teams would pay the referees per game. (Usually juniors were covered by club paying us and seniors was players passing the hat around haha).

I assume/hope things have become a bit more streamlined, but your post suggests otherwise.

Obviously the 'ref dept' needs funding to survive, but I would question why it is not funded by the users of the service (players/parents via rego fees) rather than the providers of the service.

I will agreeably disagree with others on this one. It fails the pub test for me.

[Cunning stunts]

Div 1 is locked in, wonder if northern will get on the front foot and start to map out the draw for at least div 1 while finalising the positions for Div 2 and 3 to then map out the draw for them divs. but why put common sense into the argument.

[Izzy]

So has it been 100% confirmed that there will only be 1 round of games (7 matches) rather than 2 rounds (14 matches) for phase 2?

[WOW2.0]

So has it been 100% confirmed that there will only be 1 round of games (7 matches) rather than 2 rounds (14 matches) for phase 2?

Yes, and it's stupid...they put this artificial deadline on themselves for not good reason...it would have been better to have canned the rest of phase 1...set all points to zero and start the proper season with home and away if they were concerned about dates

[WOW2.0]

As the season gets close to the break thought I?d take a look at some lucky/unlucky teams (unlucky being relegated despite being in top 8)

Div1 the likely relegated: Weston, Cooks Hill, New Lambton and Mid Coast

13s
Unlucky: Mid Coast 6th (2 games in hand), New Lambton 7th (2 games in hand)
Lucky: Valentine 9th (1 game in hand), Edgeworth 11th (1 game in hand)

14s
Unlucky: Mid Coast 4th (2 games in hand)
Lucky: Valentine 9th (no games in hand)

15s
Unlucky: New Lambton 8th (1 game in hand)
Lucky: Maitland 9th (1 game in hand)

16s
N/A

18s
Unlucky: Cooks Hill 5th (1 game in hand), Weston 7th (3 games in hand)
Lucky: Valentine 9th (2 games in hand) Edgeworth 10th (1 game in hand)



Div 2 ? I believe the top 4 Charlestown, South Cardiff, NIR & Belswans (staying in div 2)
Unlucky = top 4 team, being relegated to Div 3

13s
Unlucky: Rosebuds 1st (1 game in hand), Kahibah 4th (no games in hand)
Lucky: Belswans 5th (2 games in hand), NIR 9th (1 game in hand)

14s
Unlucky: West Wallsend 4th (no games in hand)
Lucky: Belswans 8th (2 games in hand)

15s
Unlucky: Kahibah 2nd (no games in hand)
Lucky: South Cardiff 5th (1 game in hand)

16s
Unlucky: Kahibah 4th (1 game in hand)
Lucky: NIR 6th (3 games in hand)

18s
Unlucky: Kahibah 4th (1 game in hand)
Lucky: NIR 7th (1 game in hand)

[Box2Box]

Assuming it is this ridiculous 7 game competition for phase 2, with it starting weekend of 14/15 June and having 1 week off in middle of July school holidays, the season for non semi finals teams is over on weekend of 3/4 August. This is to me is ridiculous. They could still do a proper phase 2 with 14 games and simply schedule some midweek fixtures. If the rain came then I accept that a ppg system would have to be implemented. But to not even try to do phase 2 properly is extremely disappointing.

[sapdad]

Assuming it is this ridiculous 7 game competition for phase 2, with it starting weekend of 14/15 June and having 1 week off in middle of July school holidays, the season for non semi finals teams is over on weekend of 3/4 August. This is to me is ridiculous. They could still do a proper phase 2 with 14 games and simply schedule some midweek fixtures. If the rain came then I accept that a ppg system would have to be implemented. But to not even try to do phase 2 properly is extremely disappointing.

I think there are 3 weekends set aside in phase 2 for weather related catchups.I agree with the 2nd phase being an issue but they simply cannot do mid week games and double headers due to lack of referees and travelling clubs not being able to get here (or Newcastle clubs playing away).Phase 1 should have been shorter and PPG used from the start but we are now here and just have to accept it.We can only hope that NNSW reads this forum and understands that they got this one wrong.

[Taffy]

Phase 1 should have been shorter and PPG used from the start but we are now here and just have to accept it.

Couldn't be any shorter but also should have just done PPG as per their own regulations.

We can only hope that NNSW reads this forum and understands that they got this one wrong.

Doubt they will accept they got it wrong, hopefully clubs get into them over it, and I would also like to know if any clubs were going to Northern to insist all of Phase 1 games be played.

[Thomas477]

Obviously the 'ref dept' needs funding to survive, but I would question why it is not funded by the users of the service (players/parents via rego fees) rather than the providers of the service.

I will agreeably disagree with others on this one. It fails the pub test for me.

Who do you think pays the referee fees?

If you don’t think that northern or the inter-district boards taking 10% of the appointed referee fees passes, then they’ll just drop the fees that refs get by 10% and charge the clubs that admin fee