Not sure about the older guys but the younger ones who are identified as good ref's are being placed on nbn games to either referee the 17s or run lines on the 19s and 23s. I know one guy who has been refereeing for quite some time (still only 22) and has been asked to join the state league branch numerous times but he is happy doing the lower grade nbn and all age as he said the state league guys prefer if you don't play yourself.Originally Posted by sharky21
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there are a manner of programs, however some of the good referees I know that have learnt. All play at a certain level. Which makes it hard to near impossible to continue on to referee at the high level.
There is ever year the TAP camps that the areas select young referees to go up for a weekend of training etc at the NSW champs etc.
In my opinion the onset of small sided games and the raising of the age to start ref. Definitely makes it hard to get young referees through. Refereeing irrespective what people say is hard thing to do and takes a lot of time and key factor experience to become better.
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As for westlakes Muswellbrook game. cannot agree more with pv4 and the fact that we haven't for some time controlled the midfield. We have scraped through in the past when we most likely didn't deserve it..
But TXK pretty sure the Muswellbrook players also need to watch how they carry on at the Ref. Both sides are guilty here...
But I do have to say Muswellbrook turned up with some passion and wanted to play. Westlakes it seems have played with zero passion... Yes they might want to be there and are putting in. But the last ditch effort wasn't there. That little bit extra wasn't there.
Also our defence was upturned when we had 3 different CBs during the game.
Amigos Aarau
It was a pretty even game which I'm sure both teams beleive they had the edge.
the reffing meant that no matter the loser they would feel hard done by.
All this talk of not wanting to ref ids because of the hard time given to refs I don't think this would happen with new refs. IMO clubs go easy on club refs and/or the younger refs. They are just over EXPERIENCED refs making errors that have an impact on games.
No complaints from me re: comment on a couple of our boys and the ref. one in particular has been a bit of an issue in that regard and he got carded for it on the day despite being told to keep quiet. It was just something I noticed in particular with your skipper and big Benny. The skipper should be setting an example to trying to make those last ditch efforts you mentioned you have been lacking, lifting his troops rather than mouthing off all game, his attitude outweighs his ability. You could see it affect a couple of the boys as well, Fingers had a really really good first half but late in the game followed the skippers lead in losing his head a little and his play in the end. Benny is a really talented footballer but seems to have lost his way a but this season, real shame because I really like the guy too.
But back to my original agreeing with you, yes, there are couple of our boys to who would be well served keeping their minds on the football and off the ref/stirring!
I would assume that the referees doing all age were appointed by Macquarie Referees Association for whom they referee every week and therefore that is their obligation.They would in all probability be dealt with by their management committee for not fulfilling their appointments if they opted to do the Westlakes first grade game and rightly so.The junior football branches are entitled to have the appointed referees do their games and if their referees wanted to referee senior football they would join the senior referees and make themselves available for senior games.
Would the senior clubs be happy if one of their referees was taken away to referee junior games just because no referee turned up for the all age games-i think not.
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Agree with all of this
I don't wanna keep going on about the cats mussy game I feel as though about every second of the match has been covered. I disagree with your comments txk about our skip and how our boys don't play with passion. Our skip is probably one of the hardest workers on the field and leads by example going in hard with tackles and i know i certainly play with my heart on my sleeve as do the rest of the boys.
When playin I didn't notice any more than normal gibbering to the reff than what happens most weeks. It was an arm wrestle right through the entire game until about 10 to go when your boys scored on the counter with a nice goal. Even then we still rallied but then from where I was looked like a communication error between keeper and fullback cost is the third heads did dip which was upsetting but by that stage there was about 2 mins to go.
I know the cats are perennial whiners on here and I'm sorry bout the long post. Congrats on the good win mussy hopefully we get to vs ya in the semis and show you that we do play with passion.
Tenambit v westlakes
Reserves 0-2
Firsts 1-8
Now I know how mussy have felt over so many years needing to travel with a squad of 18 (inc a few playing injured)!
Firsts was a good tough but clean battle. Got to mention the ref. she was exceptional. Probs one of the best refs in interdistrict levels. Pulled up everything and looked to earn the respect of players was great to see. Club linesman on the fair side was also very good. Helped call fouls and couldn't argue any of his decisions.
As for ressies game got a little out of hand. Game started late due to lights not working and both halves were 30min with only 10min warm up. Tennambit ended up getting 2 yellows for dangerous tackles, about 4 for abusing the ref and coach sent from feild.
Our second goal was from a pen. 50/50 call for a player sliding from behind in the box. To me he looked to get all ball but still can't tackle from behind.
She was probably the best we've had, but still made so many calls that, in a game when the score didn't blow out, would be game-changing and let's-describe-it-on-the-foz-worthy. The two biggest that come to mind was for Westlakes 2nd or 3rd goal, their keeper was on his post setting their wall up & the ref blew for the kick to be taken - which the Cats player did & caught the keeper completely off guard (we apologized to the keeper afterwards). The second call was for Westlakes 4th or 5th, the Cats player was brought down in the box by the Sharks keeper whilst on his way to walking the ball into the goals after rounding a fair few Sharkes players along the way - no red, or even yellow, was given for this last-man goal-preventing challenge. There were a couple of other things that like I said in a game if the scores hadn't blown out, would have seen the ref at the centre of attention once again. But yep - best we've had yet so far (which may again say something about the overall level of reffing - but hey it must be us shxx senior players).
Gotto admit I missed the free kick one. I have noticed refs doing this often in games but this is probs first goal from it.
Is there a rule about the amount of time given to keepers?
If it was the first pen, I don't think it was worthy of any cards. Just a silly challenge in the box and fr where I was it looked like it would of been contained. It also appeared to be awarded by the club linesman on the far side. The second straight after which was clearly last man, I woulda been happy with watever was given.
I missed tennambits pen so don't know wat happened there
Last edited by true waterboy; 26-06-2013 at 07:46 AM.
I'm sure there's rules here & there about the amount of time and it was probably fine that she called it quick, but usually a bit of common sense goes a long way. In the case last night, I doubt the keeper had been at the post for longer than 2 seconds before she blew the whistle - no keeper in the world could have set his wall quick enough to get in position for what happened. Still an unreal hit, and dat swervebut we felt the keeper was hard done by & I imagine he felt the same too.
In res last night it was the quietest game in goals I have ever had and I could go on bout how the better team lost and all that crap but as we all know if u dnt take ur chance (or get the gift opportunitys provided by the refs) u ain't going to win games. Whilst the first goal was a very well taken goal it should never have come about after a challenge the ref deemed fair only to have the "club" linesman ( can only assume he was from u guys as iv never met him in the 12 yrs iv been at the club) throw his flag up. Ref blows whistle thinking its offside to then find out it wasn't and instead of the drop ball that should have happened for this stuff up he gave the free kick so he didn't look like a clown. ( too late). And as for the pen. Should never have been was a great sliding challenge that got all ball and even the player who lost the ball said he dnt know y it was given. Go figure.
And in first grade first goal was off side but all I could do was laugh at the explanation the linesman gave. As he said he was held on by an on rushing player from the goal line. unfortunately for him that was our keeper. As for the second half all I can gather is Big Dog went to bed and so did we.
Last two weeks have been pretty bad results for us and not games we are proud off.
I didn't see whether first was on or off tbh.
Best offside call had to be that same (official) linesman calling the same Westlakes player offside for the following: Westlakes player A has ball, is running at Tenambit defender B and Tenambit defender C. No other Westlakes players get a letter because they were nowhere near the play. A runs the ball into B, who tries a hoofing clearance, which hits C and rebounds back to A's feet. Offside is called
EDIT: a question for the blokes who know the rules on here. If a coach is sent from the bench in reserves, can he return to the bench in firsts?
Last edited by pv4; 26-06-2013 at 10:08 AM.
The linesman was no affiliation with us we thought he was with you guys haha.
Res grade, was pretty even but tenambit lost their heads mouthing off and going in for rubbish tackles and body checks with one bloke being told to be taken off or he'd get sent.
Firsts, pretty good summary above hard done by for the first goal but other than that westlakes kept playing after halftime when tenambit clocked off.
There is no requirement for any set amount of time allowed for defenders to set up a wall.If a quick free kick is taken and an opponent intercepts the ball then it is play on.If a quick free kick is taken and an opponent who is near the ball deliberately prevents him taking the free kick,the referee must caution the player for preventing the taking of the free kick.I'm sure there's rules here & there about the amount of time and it was probably fine that she called it quick, but usually a bit of common sense goes a long way. In the case last night, I doubt the keeper had been at the post for longer than 2 seconds before she blew the whistle - no keeper in the world could have set his wall quick enough to get in position for what happened. Still an unreal hit, and dat swerve
All this and more can be found on page 71 of the Laws of the Game 2013 edition.Makes interesting reading which I can recommend to all players for a new experience.
The difference in the scenario I posted about was all three parties (Allage, firsts AND the referees) were all more than happy for it to happen. Firsts only wanted 1 ref and Allage offered two of the three. And the refs were going to be paid accordingly, which they were more than happy about - it was solely that the refs were under the impression they weren't allowed to do it, and my question was why aren't they, and is there any way the juniors/seniors refs can accommodate a scenario like this
Like I said - I'm sure she was technically in the right, it's just that usually when a freekick turns into a "Ceremonial Free Kick" from a "Quick Free Kick" the referee uses common sense and allows the keeper time to set a wall (note: the ref had moved the wall back so technically it was no longer classified as a Quick Free Kick, my readings tell me). By the law, the Sharks keeper knew, and said he knew, that the goal was legit. A bit of eagerness led to the Cats player capitalizing on it, but even he felt bad afterwards.
lol please do
res was a pretty even game but westlakes were given the win by the disgraceful efforts of the tenambit senior players. never played a game where that many players were given multiple warnings to shut there mouth (probably shows they werent doing as well as you beleive they were) and as mosquito said, the ref actually told the coach to sub one of the senior players before he gets sent.
as for these gift opportunities by the ref they were actully gifted by efforts of said tennambit players
that was the only difference between the sides. when tenambit played soccer it was a pretty even game
Last edited by true waterboy; 26-06-2013 at 01:00 PM.
The reason our senior players may have lost their heads had nothing to do with the way ur team played it was more the case once again we did not take the chances we created and even attempt to take the shots when in range. We do have a few guys who do have a bit to much to say to the refs myself being the head of the pack in that one. my passion turns into a case of idiocy almost,way to often.
I take nothing away from they way u guys played. U knock it around well and from my view point I was impressed. I just didn't think in the final third u threatened as I cut out most thru balls and did not havea save that I would consider difficult to make. But at the end o f the day 3 points to ur mob. I congratulate u and look forward to the re match on ur turf.
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