2013 Zone League 2 Thread

[Itsmuz]

Tbh I was surprised to hear teams sing for a first leg victory, but that's just me.

To be fair, didnt hang around to hear it (if it happened) but Mussy deserved to sing their team song for a very good win against a Westlakes side who were equally impressive.
Scoreline maybe slightly flattering to Mussy as WL were very good also. Very tight first half, both teams knocking on the door a few times and for all Mussy's chances when they got up the other end, they put little threat onto the WL goalie and it was only a fantastic near-post save from the Mussy keeper that kept them from going into the break down 1-0.
Second half, as has been said, Mussy bossed it in the midfield and any time the Linds or the #40 got goal side of the WL midfield they were a serious threat. Mussy's forwards are quality and full credit to the WL backline for their effort.

As for reggies, a missed penalty and a goal against the run of play saw us down 1-0 at HT and we huffed and puffed but just couldnt score in the second until a bit of fortune when they made a defensive error allowed us to sneak one in at the death. I'd say we deserved it though and 1-1 was a fair scoreline. Charlie are quality opponents and its always a tough game. looking forward to next weekend.

[pv4]

If I were to have won yesterday, I would have attempted to persuade my guys not to sing as it would have only been the half way mark overall. But I'm sure I would have been outvoted and we would have sung. If we don't win the overall match, I'll refuse to sing regardless of the score, even if we edge it by not enough, this upcoming sunday

[the_butcher]

During first grade some local fans,uncouth brats,drunk yocals, however you describe we're absolutely disgraceful.after giving it to 2 elderly mussy supporters turned on one mussy guy supporting and looking after their bags that were later vandalized.one bloke jumped all over their kits(looked to be in a marching band) then 20 minutes after a confrontation with the mussy guy grabbed their white board and snapped it in half over the fence..

I heard people talking about this at the New Fm GF today. What an absolute disgrace. I'd be very surprised if this doesn't go further.

If like you said a mussy guy saw his mates stuff getting stood on why didnt he move the bags?

I'm absolutely gobsmacked by this comment.

Its something our committee will have to address in the offseason.

I'd suggest addressing this shit now. If, like you said, this has been going on for a few games, why hasn't the club been pro-active in stamping out this sort of rubbish?

Seems to me they sorted it out.

Seems to me like they did quite the opposite. I have a feeling this isn't the last we'll hear about this. It's a terrible look for a club who already doesn't have the best of reputations.

[pv4]

To be fair there's been two major incidents of note by off field supporters. The first were guys who flew from qld and haven't been back since, the second were regulars who as I said was totally out of character. The club was proactive in that in the week leading up to the game we were preparing to put a harsh word on the first incident blowins if they showed up, but they didn't and the club thought it would be an incident free day. As I said, I missed the whole incident but it sounded like to me when the issue was reaching its peak that ejections were made and it was dealt with, like I mentioned.

To be honest I personally don't know where it gets taken from here. If it doesn't get dealt with there will be some heads rolling, I know that much. Our problem is our entire club features one player who is over 30 years old, and absolutely no committee members over mid-20s. It's a bunch of kids who have been dumped an entire clubs worth of responsibility on, and not the ideal scenario of several older heads showing up on game day specifically to sort off field things and the like.

None of this is excuses btw, I'm just giving people an insight into our scenario.

At the end of the day we've got to deal with a problematic supporter or two (they aren't apart of the playing group btw), and figure out the best course of action from there. Like I said, I personally don't know what that is.

Were people talking about it at the newfm GF because mussy fans were at said gf, by any chance?

[pv4]

Needless to say, it'll be interesting come sunday to see where us westlakes boys leave our bags

[the_butcher]

Were people talking about it at the newfm GF because mussy fans were at said gf, by any chance?

Though Muswellbrook have fans across all four corners of the world, I'm not sure if there were many there today.

Needless to say, it'll be interesting come sunday to see where us westlakes boys leave our bags

You won't have to worry about that at such a well-run club like Muswellbrook. The duty officers up there do more than just wear the vest.

[Cabaye#4]

As I said, I missed the whole incident but it sounded like to me when the issue was reaching its peak that ejections were made and it was dealt with, like I mentioned.

You didnt see it. So please dont make claims that it was dealt with. It wasnt.
I bit my tongue yesterday rather coming on here and expressing my disgust for what I saw, but as a spectator who saw the whole incident unfold, and whom even was asked to support the mussy bloke in cases things escalated, all i can say that its pathetic if westlakes feel like the matter was even remotely well handled.

The only reason they were ejected was because 4 or 5 of your own fans stepped in to tell the deadbeat off.
The stomping of the bags occurred after the first goal, in retaliation to said mussy supporter yelling out something about what the guys name who scored was (ie, they had been yelling abuse and name calling all game, and the musdy guy yelled out 'his name is blah blah by the way'), to which this deadbeat lowlife degenerate responded by saying something like 'well who's bags are these? Stomp stomp stomp stomp, lolz.
The mussy guy went over and told him off, to which he was given a response by 2 drunk cavemen 'what are u gonna do about it?'. Note, these 2 guys were ur typical singlet wearing, built like a brick shithouse, higher weight than IQ, more tattoos than brain cells kind of guys.
So this all happened while the duty officers both sat watching the game (not having a go at the duty officers).
Later, after the 3rd goal, a loud banging was heard, and i looked over to see this brainless individual slamming the muswellbrook whiteboard over the railing, and breaking it by bending it at right angles. Only then did an old bloke and a few others nearby step in to ask this guy to funk off. At this time, another fan was telling the duty officer about what was going on, and after some coaxing, the f'wits were asked to leave. Despite refusing to go, then claiming ignorance (i didnt mean to), then saying sorry and thinking that'd suffice.

I dont kno what constitutes leaving, but going into the carpark to continue drinking by their car didnt really seem like punishment as i drove offer after the game finished.

Now, Charlestown Oval is now an alcohol free zone due to the problematic youths who seem to frequent the ground, which does nothing really, except ruin it for us, as we cant sell or consume booze at our games (legally). Id seriously question how westlakes have a liquor license yet no concept of RSA or the associated LAWS that having this license requires.
The fact is, intoxicated individuals should be ejected from your ground, as the law states, not because they damage people's possessions.

But, i also agree with your comments about who can actually do anything.
I'll b the first person to say that if the mussy bloke needed help if things escalated, i would have been none, as these guys would have put me in hospital, so i understand how there is a problem with 20 plus year old duty officers not really wanting to take a hard line approach, but the fact is, if these guys were served alcohol, you've failed your RSA. If these guys drank their own booze, then issues come up around your policing that (very difficult im aware).

At the end of the day, this isnt a dig at any individuals, but i think the club has some serious issues to address. As mentioned above, this isnt an isolated incident, and just because it hasnt been mentioned on the forums doesnt mean it hasnt been issues all year.
Great setup, great individuals at the club trying to do the right thing, but the club has let those individuals down by expecting them to deal with situations that they arent equipped to deal with.

On a side note.
Charlestown 2-2 Jesmond

[true waterboy]

I agree with alot of the comments about this issue. I think as a club we dealt well with alot of issues on the day however I think this event was handled poorly.

Im only mentioning this to be nit picky to show how easy it is for these type of events to occur, as you mention its apparently illegal to consume alcohol at your venue, there were at least three different supporters groups drinking alcohol from glass bottles on the grass today. It only takes one person to throw one of those glass bottles and its a similar story as to yesterday at our home ground. Im only mentioning this to open peoples eyes as to how different events can be seen (or missed) by respective duty officers.


Anyways back to talking about soccer. I only watched the first half of charlie and jeso today but imo that was one of the better standards of footy ive watched this year. some very breif notes i took was that charlie keeper seems to be impressive at handling crosses, his take of a corner under presser was unbelievable. Alot of good performances by a number of players but i was really impressed by charlie captain and is it law (sp?) from jeso. Also charlies first goal was a classy finish.

[pv4]

Though Muswellbrook have fans across all four corners of the world, I'm not sure if there were many there today.




You won't have to worry about that at such a well-run club like Muswellbrook. The duty officers up there do more than just wear the vest.

picked up on the only two sarcastic comments in the whole post

Yeah Cabaye I agree with what you've said. I don't think there's a single person who think the matter was as effectively sorted on the day as it could have been. As I said, I was embarrassed by what happened. All I was making mention to, which has been picked up on by you & the butcher, is from an "outside" perspective, ejecting guys sounds like they at least got some form of balls to do something.

I know I was duty officer before firsts even started, and I made sure I walked up to the end of the dressing sheds at least 3 times, so I would have hoped our guys would have been routinely doing similar during firsts where the crowd was quite frankly massive compared to normal, but I personally really don't know what/how/when/etc.

Whether it was alcohol sold or brought in, I genuinely don't know. I can guess, and probably be right, but that's for the investigators to find out I guess.

I can confirm the guys in question do lift - they're massive. I didn't even know about the fact they went to the carpark after being ejected till yesterday on the way to the charly game when I was told - I'm sure this is just one more issue that needs to be addressed.

Out of curiosity to the guys who were and weren't there but have commented on the situation - and this is a semi-serious question as I personally am legit out of my depth here - what would you guys do about the situation if it were your club? Just say a committee meeting that you're involved with was happening 5 minutes after seeing this post - what would you be attempting to make happen so that some form of reputation for your club was brought back, so the matter was unheard of in the future, and in regards to dealing with the specific individuals (the regulars from Sat, and the blowins from a few weeks ago)? Would you suggest the everyone in the club perform seppuku? Would you suggest everyone give up & go play league, or Friday night all age? Would you suggest try and setup a system where the duty officers do more, and in general learn from the mistakes? Would you suggest we play good cop/bad cop on the problem spectators? Do they get banned? How do you uphold a ban on a public venue?

Also Cabaye if your man goes to Arsenal and Per keeps number 4, what are you going to do mate?

Also on the football (excuse the thread derailment, we can continue on to the crowd problems after this) - I thought watching Olympic & Westlakes was a bit of fun yesterday. It's a shame that the playing surface has such a wicked bobble, the ball spent most of the time during the game in the air. Speaking with bias it felt like Westlakes edged the game overall (yet rarely, or didn't, trouble the Olympic 18yard box enough), and it was only due to a defender taking on a striker in his own third and losing possession that saw the solitary goal happen. I hope I'm free next week to watch the return fixture, I had good fun. I didn't get to see the firsts game yesterday.

[true waterboy]

hamo v cats
0-0

Sad to see our ressies knocked out. I dont think we played good today but I thought we were the better team last week. First year since I started playing seniors I havnt been involved in a grand final (4 years). Shame that our goal was disallowed at the end there, but we shoulda capitalised on our other chances.

Anyways good luck to all those playing next week.

On a side note for the kit nerds, does anyone from charlie or jeso struggle to play against each other. I woulda thought they would need an alternative strip for red v maroon.

[grub]

Charly 1 - Jesmond 0. Charly win 3-2 on agg.

[Swanky]

hamo v cats
0-0

Sad to see our ressies knocked out. I dont think we played good today but I thought we were the better team last week. First year since I started playing seniors I havnt been involved in a grand final (4 years). Shame that our goal was disallowed at the end there, but we shoulda capitalised on our other chances.

Anyways good luck to all those playing next week.

On a side note for the kit nerds, does anyone from charlie or jeso struggle to play against each other. I woulda thought they would need an alternative strip for red v maroon.

The Blue of Olympic and purple/green of weslakes is closer matche then Charlie v jeso
Also with the disaalowed goal the whistle had blown well and truly before the bloke shot I'm sure the spastic Olympic keeper would saved it if he wanted too. Weslakes can dream they dominated but its Olympic who go through and weslakes can dream what may have been were outclassed over the 2 legs

[true waterboy]

I dont think I can agree with you on the game, but I do agree with you comments about our strips. I was quiet surprised that when both keepers were asked if they could changed their jerseys (both wearing green) last week that hamo wasnt asked to wear an alternate strip. And Im also surprised that we werent asked yesterday when our keeper had to change shorts.

I dont think in ressies it made a difference but in first grade being faster tempo I thought it may have

[true waterboy]

On another side note I thought jeso park was quiet good to play on yesterday. When the field is dry the cricket pitch doesn't seem to be as pronounced. Hopefully the drainage is better next year

[Cabaye#4]

Res Uni 1-6 Charlie
1sts Mussy 3-2 Westlakes (so im told), we had boarded the bus at ht, it was 2-0 at ht.

Must say that im over the moon to have both grades in next week's grand finals. We struggled at times this year with both on & off field problems, but both grades found consistency at the right time.

In response to you pv4, i think it probably comes back to the R in RSA. I commend you guys having such a good variety of booze at your ground ($5 for a pint of becks? Wow!), but unfortunately that can encourage individuals to become intoxicated, and as is life, it only takes a few bad eggs to ruin it for everyone.
That, combined with a bit more alert duty officers (i kno u are there to watch too, but u can surely do both from a better vantage point where u can see the game AND all potential incidents), are probably the only real options.
Address the issue for what it was, and put a bit tighter policies in place so that if these kind of issues do come up, u can address them before they reach that point.
As soon as drunk individuals start exchanging insults/banter with other spectators, i think someone needs to step in and just give a courtesy 'lets keep it civil guys' in order to stop things b4 someone thinks its fine to vandalise other ppls property.

Anyway, enuf has been made/said of the incident both on and off the forums. Im sure westlakes will deal with the issue.

Saturday 14th September
1st Grade Grand Final @ Johnston Park, West Wallsend, 3pm
Muswellbrook v Charlestown
Res Grade, 1245pm
Olympic v Charlestown

Should be a good afternoon at Wembley!

[pv4]

I thoroughly enjoyed the westlakes and mussy hitout today. The mussy boys are a terrific bunch - play hard and get results. Westlakes were happy with our effort today but three goals was too much to turn over

Good luck to the golden eagles in the final next week at wembley!!

[pv4]

I thoroughly enjoyed the westlakes and mussy hitout today. The mussy boys are a terrific bunch - play hard and get results. Westlakes were happy with our effort today but three goals was too much to turn over

Good luck to the golden eagles in the final next week at wembley!!

[pv4]

And Im also surprised that we werent asked yesterday when our keeper had to change shorts.

Outsider - can you give us a run down on what refs are told the rules regarding kits are in Newcastle?

As far as I'm aware, teams can clash shorts. Both outfield teams, both keepers, the refs, etc - all can wear the same colour shorts. Shorts mean nothing in terms of clashes. And keepers are allowed to wear whatever colour shorts they want, regardless of who else is wearing what. As far as I'm aware the only rule that NNSW state that is different to FIFA law is NNSW dictate that local keepers wear the same socks as their outfield players.

Why, exactly, did the ref on the weekend at Olympic v Westlakes ask our keeper to change shorts to match the outfield players shorts colours?

Note: I wasn't there Sat, but this gives me enough of a headache to ask the question.

Also, in before everyone says "it's jerseys, it's shorts, who cares?" - I care.

Also FWIW Swanky I agree that Westlakes/Olympic clash. I struggled with us two playing each other, and also us playing Charlestown (and hence why we wore our away kit for round 2 v Charesltown). We were potentially going get our reserves to wear our away kit for the Jesmond Park game v you guys on Sat, but after seeing that you guys wore your home kit for your "away" game we decided that the refs wouldn't care for us to do the same the week after.

[Swanky]

Outsider - can you give us a run down on what refs are told the rules regarding kits are in Newcastle?

As far as I'm aware, teams can clash shorts. Both outfield teams, both keepers, the refs, etc - all can wear the same colour shorts. Shorts mean nothing in terms of clashes. And keepers are allowed to wear whatever colour shorts they want, regardless of who else is wearing what. As far as I'm aware the only rule that NNSW state that is different to FIFA law is NNSW dictate that local keepers wear the same socks as their outfield players.

Why, exactly, did the ref on the weekend at Olympic v Westlakes ask our keeper to change shorts to match the outfield players shorts colours?

Also FWIW Swanky I agree that Westlakes/Olympic clash. I struggled with us two playing each other, and also us playing Charlestown (and hence why we wore our away kit for round 2 v Charesltown). We were potentially going get our reserves to wear our away kit for the Jesmond Park game v you guys on Sat, but after seeing that you guys wore your home kit for your "away" game we decided that the refs wouldn't care for us to do the same the week after.

Our Keeper had to change shorts on Saturday as well. First time ever he has to wear the same colour shorts as his team.

Whenever we have played at Rathmines we have worn Yellow tops (Away Shirts) but whenever Westlakes have came to Connelly you have always worn your home Purple and Green. We had yellow and blue strips there but our boys preference was to wear our home strip

[true waterboy]

Our Keeper had to change shorts on Saturday as well. First time ever he has to wear the same colour shorts as his team.

Whenever we have played at Rathmines we have worn Yellow tops (Away Shirts) but whenever Westlakes have came to Connelly you have always worn your home Purple and Green. We had yellow and blue strips there but our boys preference was to wear our home strip

Unfortunately our alternate strip wasnt available for our away trip at hamo. this year was the first that I think our strip has clashed with opponents (being yours and charlie) due to having less green. I think we stuffed up by not having an alternate strip ready for our away clash with you and hopefully we wear it more often cause I love the design being one that we wore in juniors.
I proposed we wear our alternate strip (which is basically all white) in our away leg of the final saturday but our boys were happy to continue wearing the home strip. I would of liked both teams wearing home and away strips. I was just suprised first grade didnt have an issue being a faster tempo.