Put a seat on it - Cycling Thread

[sammydog]

I've seen the charges, I just dpn't like the USADA process.

I do think he was on it, but he was on it no more/less than the rest of the peleton of the time. Do the USADA now move on and chase the riders who inherit the titles. Where do you stop. I would much prefer all this time and effort went into ensuring the sport is clean now, not retrospectively trying to catch people from a time when everyone was on it.

At the end of the day has hasn't tested positive, if the USADA has evidence otherwise, why have they waited so long. Add to that the incentives they have given people to testify (delaying and shortening sanctions to the offseason) the whole process is hardly transparent.

I actually give armstrong kudos for drawing the line and saying enough is enough and putting himself in the position where they will now try and take the titles. If he went into arbitration, the way the USADA process is set up he wasn't going to get a fair trial.

Its obvious what the USADA are going to do with this, what really matters will be where the UCI goes, and I don't think they will be as aggressive as the USADA are.

End result, banned for life, no titles lost.

[sammydog]

Pg10,11 suggest he has tested positive, and it was covered up.

Those rumours have been around for a long time and have never been substantiated. If they were true, that would have massive implications for the UCI.

[MFKS]

Yes the most damning evidence is riders who are gonna grass him up.

Lets have a look at the motivations for these individuals. Some of them are doing it to protect themselves from their own drug use and possible sanctions that may be imposed on them. Some of these blokes are getting a 6 month ban from Cycling for Grassing Lance up.

Lets also take note of when this suspension is occurring and it will take in the little end of season races, the close season and the early season races. None of these races have that level of importance placed on them by cyclists such as the Grand Tours and the Classics.

The equivalent ban would be to suspend one of the Jets in March for 6 months and have them miss play off games (None) and pre season hitouts ( Not necessary -See Tiago)

Basically these cyclists are getting a 6 month holiday from the sport and missing **** all of it. They can put their feet up have a good holiday. Then put in a Couple of months of solid training and come back to the Pro Level ready to rumble. Great punishment ain't it??

Also how many of these people have some sort of axe to grind against Armstrong?? After all they flogged their guts out for him for years and from all reports Lance is an all about me type of fella. Could some of them be pissed enough to make accusations to bury him due his attitude to them in the past.

Make no mistake about it this is a WITCH HUNT from start to finish. Provide some decent evidence like a failed test not slanderous accusations from people with questionable motives or samples that look a bit iffy.

The harassment and abuse Lance has copped is a ****ing disgrace whether he is clean or not.

Either put up or shut up

[sammydog]

Spot on MFKS, sums up my perspective exactly.

Personally, I am now thinking of doing a fresh order of Livestrong bands. And thats part of what shits me about the witch hunt, the implications will spread far beyond cycling and all based on evidence that is essentially hearsay. Most courts wouldn't accept it, but the USADA is a law unto itself where you are guilty till proven innocent.

Word on the street is Nike have come out and stated they will still stand behind livestrong.

[GazFish35]

But since when is the "everyone else was doing it" defence and accepted one?

I agree they should just focus on current issues.
All this does is remind people how drug fueled the sport has been.

[sammydog]

But since when is the "everyone else was doing it" defence and accepted one?

I agree they should just focus on current issues.
All this does is remind people how drug fueled the sport has been.

My opinion is he was on it as was everyone else, but from all the testing he has undergone, he has not tested positive. So from all evidence he wasn't on it. Suggestions of a covered positive result are vastly different to actually testing positive. Facing a sanction based on hearsay where incentives have been offered and deals done with those testifying, well that case if fundamentally flawed from the start.

[MFKS]

But since when is the "everyone else was doing it" defence and accepted one?

I agree they should just focus on current issues.
All this does is remind people how drug fueled the sport has been.

The whole Cycling is drug fueled thing is a joke. Cycling authorities have been more than up front trying to deal with drugs in their sport. Many other sports have shown little interest.

Take our wonderful game for example. How many drug tests are done on footballers?? With the amount of money involved in the game and the authorities pretty lax attitudes towards drug use it is more than likely more wide spread than believed.

Cycling and Athletics are at least at the fore front of trying to chase down drug cheats. Other sports have their heads buried in the sand when it comes to drugs. Take ALF for example they operate on a confidential 3 strikes policy??FMD

[parksey]

i love it how one of the key witnesses is floyd ****ing landis

[seldom]

maybe we should release all inmates who've been convicted on an eye witness testimony...string him up I say !

[baldrick]

Yes the most damning evidence is riders who are gonna grass him up.

Lets have a look at the motivations for these individuals. Some of them are doing it to protect themselves from their own drug use and possible sanctions that may be imposed on them. Some of these blokes are getting a 6 month ban from Cycling for Grassing Lance up.

Lets also take note of when this suspension is occurring and it will take in the little end of season races, the close season and the early season races. None of these races have that level of importance placed on them by cyclists such as the Grand Tours and the Classics.

The equivalent ban would be to suspend one of the Jets in March for 6 months and have them miss play off games (None) and pre season hitouts ( Not necessary -See Tiago)

Basically these cyclists are getting a 6 month holiday from the sport and missing **** all of it. They can put their feet up have a good holiday. Then put in a Couple of months of solid training and come back to the Pro Level ready to rumble. Great punishment ain't it??

Also how many of these people have some sort of axe to grind against Armstrong?? After all they flogged their guts out for him for years and from all reports Lance is an all about me type of fella. Could some of them be pissed enough to make accusations to bury him due his attitude to them in the past.

Make no mistake about it this is a WITCH HUNT from start to finish. Provide some decent evidence like a failed test not slanderous accusations from people with questionable motives or samples that look a bit iffy.

The harassment and abuse Lance has copped is a ****ing disgrace whether he is clean or not.

Either put up or shut up

Never thought I'd say this: but well said MFKS. Agree 100%

[GazFish35]

Lance Armstrong's doping is further evidenced by the data from blood collections obtained by the UCI from Lance Armstrong in 2009 and 2010. This data is fully consistent with blood manipulation including EPO use and/or blood transfusions.

So, not one test "positive" but one would assume this statement suggests a pattern of results from a series of tests that are consistent with doping.

[pv4]

wasn't legitimately & publicly found to be cheating at the time, or during the time that a case can be held open. not guilty.

[GazFish35]

Hasn't defended the charges, just said "I'm not dealing with this"

We was pedaling drugs as well as his bike.

[parksey]

he's been defending the charges for about 10 years. like he said "enough is enough"

[GazFish35]

he's been defending the charges for about 10 years. like he said "enough is enough"

He's been denying.
Denying something isn't the same as defending.

Otherwise Arsenal would keep clean sheets every game. Wenger would simply deny seeing the goal and viola! 3pts!

[GazFish35]

Assuming we score

[pv4]

isn't denying the same as defending in this case? he's said he didn't do it, he's taken it to court, but now he's come to an apparent brick wall that he can't defend any more as it's not going to help.

[The Dunster]

The solution to drugs in cycling is easy. Make the khunts eat a meat pie and skull a beer every 20km's.

[De-Champ]

isn't denying the same as defending in this case? he's said he didn't do it, he's taken it to court, but now he's come to an apparent brick wall that he can't defend any more as it's not going to help.

or he realises its the end of the road, and the evidence is overwhelming.

[parksey]

or he's just like "**** this, i'm lance armstrong"