2015 NPL Youth

[The Magician]

$750 For what players get now... bargain... Accredited Coaches... Winter Training facilities... special training nights... Ref fees per week... player equipment: polos, tracksuits, warm up gear, winter training gear, summer training gear, match day kit... club functions... Nothing is for free these days, if you want a value for money pastime go to the beach and swim in and out of rips... Sydney regos for U13-U17 NPL ranges from $2000-$2700... Talking at a Jaffas NPL youth fixture to a Magic manager they did a budget check before the implementation of the NPL and found that players from U19's to First grade alone cost the club just over $1300 per player in "football related" expenses, excluding senior match payments... That is only considering the expenses listed above... Clubs reply on sponsors and match takings to cover the shortfall and senior player payments... most clubs dont have a licensed club to give them a fat check from pokie revenue each year to top up the kitty like most eggball clubs do, its very hard for most...

Clubs desperate for that extra income stream will inevitably call on contributions from its members... some clubs may include youth players as those members of the club as well... in the end... most in newcastle football determine a clubs credibility as it revolves around the success of their first grade team anyways... what about all the effort to put NPL programs in place for Lakes to have first grade fail and the whole club suffer, programs down the drain, all that gear, strips etc purchased for 7 grades? what happens to it? but i agree either directly or indirectly rego payments must be budgeted within clubs to provide football services for players not pay exorbitant first grade fees.

[MFKS]

$750 For what players get now... bargain... Accredited Coaches... Winter Training facilities... special training nights... Ref fees per week... player equipment: polos, tracksuits, warm up gear, winter training gear, summer training gear, match day kit... club functions... Nothing is for free these days, if you want a value for money pastime go to the beach and swim in and out of rips... Sydney regos for U13-U17 NPL ranges from $2000-$2700... Talking at a Jaffas NPL youth fixture to a Magic manager they did a budget check before the implementation of the NPL and found that players from U19's to First grade alone cost the club just over $1300 per player in "football related" expenses, excluding senior match payments... That is only considering the expenses listed above... Clubs reply on sponsors and match takings to cover the shortfall and senior player payments... most clubs dont have a licensed club to give them a fat check from pokie revenue each year to top up the kitty like most eggball clubs do, its very hard for most...

Clubs desperate for that extra income stream will inevitably call on contributions from its members... some clubs may include youth players as those members of the club as well... in the end... most in newcastle football determine a clubs credibility as it revolves around the success of their first grade team anyways... what about all the effort to put NPL programs in place for Lakes to have first grade fail and the whole club suffer, programs down the drain, all that gear, strips etc purchased for 7 grades? what happens to it? but i agree either directly or indirectly rego payments must be budgeted within clubs to provide football services for players not pay exorbitant first grade fees.

This $1300 per player in expenses where is this money going?? This seems a little excessive

The club unable to negotiate a good deal on polos and tracksuits in bulk??

[The Magician]

This $1300 per player in expenses where is this money going?? This seems a little excessive

The club unable to negotiate a good deal on polos and tracksuits in bulk??

I think u'll find most regos will just cover the cost of their gear and the NNSWF rego with $100-150 left over for the rest of the expenses... half of all gear costing is the printing and embroidery. NNSWF should start open up a printing and logo service aligned to their First Touch supplies... they got cheap gear on their webpage... Nike shirts $20... but add logo... $8... player intial... $5... thats 33 for a training shirt... players might get 2 or 3 over the course of the year. hard to wash a shirt 3 times in the week for 3 sessions of training, plus maybe a weekend warm up. Couple of hundred grand is peanuts for NNSWF to get set up... no one would looks for strips anywhere else

[FMC]

Yes in sydney you can pay up to $3000 in some clubs , $750 for CCB is cheap when you inc match fees etc some clubs you had to pay more then $750 in Newcastle.

So when you look at what sydney pay we have got it good dont you think !! A lot of people would not be able to pay $3000 for one child let alone if they have two or more playing NPL .

[MFKS]

we are missing the point! $750 or $3750, as long as kids are being developed, have a look at some of the muppets coaching, at NPL youth clubs, have a look at how many teams have juniors from the club in there youth teams, have a look at where they are on the table as well. clubs reaping the youth regos, to now pay for senior players, or senior club debt.... this wasn't available in previous years, now its real...
for the likes of clubs being cash cowed from sneddo and millsy at lambton and edgy, what happens when they come to there senses, and realise there $100 's and $1000's invested, to win a $10000 prize money, and realising it costs $9000 to enter a club in the comp to pay out $80k per year on superstars, for weston to finish in front of them on $10 budget. this now becomes clear, why youth regos are so important to sustain 1st graders and club debt.

Are you implying the reason the NPL Yoof comp is here is just to give clubs an avenue to subsidize trying to buy first grade premierships??

[Bremsstrahlung]

[The Magician]

Even if you develop the players... congratulations!!! doesn't mean the player is going to play for free because you so called "developed" them, if they think they are first grade materials they will chase the guaranteed start and the cash... Soccer costs thats what you can guarentee... no if or buts about it... garnish... $20 per player for the first team... 64 NPL YTH players thats $1280... @ $50 $3200.... @$100 thats $6400... on a $60-$80K player and coaching bonus budget over all 7 squads its not really impacting... Add them totals up and it probably doesn't even equal what Jobe has been paid to play at Jaffas over the past 2 years and you get perspective... i dont think clubs can be garnishing more than $100 per NPL SNR player rego... lets be serious...

Clubs don't develop players overnight... club honestly wont be able to see fruits of their NPL programs for years to come yet... Youth development isnt something new because we have branded it NPL... clubs have been doing it since year dot... most players when they get to 19-22 just dont cut it at a first grade level, and players that do make the cut you want to keep at all costs and experience in a squad can be like an extra player on the field in itself... players and parents have to understand that, but if a club is forced to play yth.. and get relegated after the fact, thats a sad state.. sure the E Jets will corner the market on the best of the regions talent... but what is left over? are they upto scratch... How would the yth right now (19-22) cut it against 19-20 year old, Cresnars? Halpins? Burts? Wilsons? Coopers? Austins? Haynes?

But i also agree... clubs in debt? that have not been developing a facility or some type of asset needs to be addressed

[MFKS]

Even if you develop the players... congratulations!!! doesn't mean the player is going to play for free because you so called "developed" them, if they think they are first grade materials they will chase the guaranteed start and the cash... Soccer costs thats what you can guarentee... no if or buts about it... garnish... $20 per player for the first team... 64 NPL YTH players thats $1280... @ $50 $3200.... @$100 thats $6400... on a $60-$80K player and coaching bonus budget over all 7 squads its not really impacting... Add them totals up and it probably doesn't even equal what Jobe has been paid to play at Jaffas over the past 2 years and you get perspective... i dont think clubs can be garnishing more than $100 per NPL SNR player rego... lets be serious...

Clubs don't develop players overnight... club honestly wont be able to see fruits of their NPL programs for years to come yet... Youth development isnt something new because we have branded it NPL... clubs have been doing it since year dot... most players when they get to 19-22 just dont cut it at a first grade level, and players that do make the cut you want to keep at all costs and experience in a squad can be like an extra player on the field in itself... players and parents have to understand that, but if a club is forced to play yth.. and get relegated after the fact, thats a sad state.. sure the E Jets will corner the market on the best of the regions talent... but what is left over? are they upto scratch... How would the yth right now (19-22) cut it against 19-20 year old, Cresnars? Halpins? Burts? Wilsons? Coopers? Austins? Haynes?

But i also agree... clubs in debt? that have not been developing a facility or some type of asset needs to be addressed

To say Football costs is an absolute farce. The only reason it costs is the over the top spending by players on things like wages to players and excessive levels of uniform provided.

Seriously does it really require clubs to supply players with all these items of clothing??
Does it really matter if Magic u23's are training in 3 x personalised Magic shirts with the players initials on them 3 nights a week when no one is actually watching?? Surely the players can wear their own shirts like 95% of the other clubs in this country do at training. They ain't a professional club who can justify the expense

It to me is an unneeded luxury that is being funded by imposing EXCESSIVE fees on juniors to pay for it.

As for wages being pissed away to fund players it is a joke. It is an amateur competition and to pay players is farcical when it can not be afforded or sustained. To then have to fleece kids playing the game to fund this is almost a crime. Maybe if less money was being frittered away we may have a couple of clubs with a venue with suitable drainage that this weekends semis are not a concern with the weather


People say there isn't enough money in the game in this country to be a real football nation. The reality is there is plenty of money floating about and it just ends up in the wrong areas.


Any justification on the fees being acceptable cause they are less than Sydney is complete crap. What goes on there is just a bigger disgrace.
The game should be kept as cheap as possible FOR ALL to enjoy and should not be the domain of those that can afford to have their parents find large sums of money just so some first grade player can get a couple of grand to play a game 18 weeks a year

[namwob99]

To say Football costs is an absolute farce. The only reason it costs is the over the top spending by players on things like wages to players and excessive levels of uniform provided.

Seriously does it really require clubs to supply players with all these items of clothing??
Does it really matter if Magic u23's are training in 3 x personalised Magic shirts with the players initials on them 3 nights a week when no one is actually watching?? Surely the players can wear their own shirts like 95% of the other clubs in this country do at training. They ain't a professional club who can justify the expense

It to me is an unneeded luxury that is being funded by imposing EXCESSIVE fees on juniors to pay for it.

As for wages being pissed away to fund players it is a joke. It is an amateur competition and to pay players is farcical when it can not be afforded or sustained. To then have to fleece kids playing the game to fund this is almost a crime. Maybe if less money was being frittered away we may have a couple of clubs with a venue with suitable drainage that this weekends semis are not a concern with the weather


People say there isn't enough money in the game in this country to be a real football nation. The reality is there is plenty of money floating about and it just ends up in the wrong areas.


Any justification on the fees being acceptable cause they are less than Sydney is complete crap. What goes on there is just a bigger disgrace.
The game should be kept as cheap as possible FOR ALL to enjoy and should not be the domain of those that can afford to have their parents find large sums of money just so some first grade player can get a couple of grand to play a game 18 weeks a year

Totally agree with this. The whole 'it's more expensive in Sydney' argument is wearing thin. There's no way that what these parents pay for is worth $700-800. That's ridiculous.

But as stated earlier the parents are backed into a corner and have to pay it or else risk missing out on a spot at a big club.

I'd love to see nnswf put a cap on the prices of junior football rego, force clubs to chase more sponsorship dollars or don't have the luxuries of three personalised training shirts, track suits etc because quite frankly $700 is too much when the aim of the game at the moment is to be getting as many people as possible to play our game.

[Thomas477]

I don't see why the Sydney argument holds any weight at all. Just because somewhere does it this way, does that mean it automatically becomes a role model for us to base our relevant thing on? It's ridiculous. But to be fair, if parents are that gullible to pay said costs when there's a good chance the kids won't make NBN first grade, let alone professionally, then I suppose it's good business for the clubs.

That being said, in my opinion, NNSWF should impose a cap for NPL youth fees.

[Why Blue]

seriously- are people just stupid or watch too much SBS and are football legends?
the clubs who have been requesting deposits, and full payments are the same as last year...the funny thing with these non educated persons is..they are asking for money not because they want your son to only to play, the real reason is, they have no money and need to pay the current 1st grade players,coaches and poorly managed debts etc
smell the roses- y blue, as the 2 major NPL culprits have an active opinion in the forum- 1 is blue, and the 1 is red/black stripe
please dont dragg other clubs to the same level

Sorry no SBS being watched in my house, not even fox.

And were did I say I had paid the money ????

I am well aware of the rumours going around about monies owed. As I am aware of some of the origins of said rumours

As for dragging other clubs into it, I am lucky enough to be able to talk with a lot of parents from a lot of different clubs and guess what ?? every one I spoke with has been asked to put $$$ down to secure position next year.So not just blue and red/black sorry.

As for smelling roses........well my son signed and returned his letter because he is happy in his team, they play well, they are coached well and they get on well as a team. If other crap is going on with in the club it certainly isn't filtering down to my sons team.

[ForeverRed]

So many hidden costs not being mentioned here, referees come to approximately $1000 when both senior and youth play at home, times that by ten, medical / first aid, strapping tape, qualified physio on the side lines, coaching courses time seven, affiliation fees around $7000 etc etc, south Cardiff charge every player $600 , that's every player senior and youth and out of that there's not much change, try joining a committee and help out if you have all the answers, it ain't easy but it is enjoyable

[pv4]

if foley is a great coach, then rolf harris is a excellent physio

Please never speak poorly of Foley in a public way again.

[pv4]

south Cardiff charge every player $600 , that's every player senior and youth and out of that there's not much change

This may be a silly question, or it may be one you prefer not to answer, but that $600 - do players who get paid to play in first grade have to pay that (either upfront or it gets taken out of their final wage)? Or do they get free rego?

[Drunken ranger]

22's and 1st free
19's down to 13's pay
pay day in its 1st year of NPL

Which mol club are you referring to ??

[Why Blue]

plenty of thoughts
Charlestown- last year asked in full the $750 from each NPL youth player, before the end of the year, 60 players lets say, approx $43+ k in revenue- they have never had the pleasure to exploit in the past.
now we hear, they are $30k in debt, with outstanding registration fees, and again, asking for non refundable deposits, band aid football and politically bullshit, from these blue forumists- is that a word? personally this isnt the only club, but the #1 in setting this benchmark> go the blues!

Shite.......dont tell CCB but I only paid $650.

I know it is a lot but to be honest I thought it was fair, certainly when compared to other local NPL clubs ( with out dragging Sydney into it )
Now at season end I can sit back and say it was more that fair, our $650 got us, Accredited coach, who is undertaking further accreditation, the coach is well organised and plans every session, as such every time my son got in the car after training he would say "great sesh", he never said that once after training last year with EJ's. Technical director who was at every game taking notes and would talk with team & coach at 1/2 time and game end. Great training facilities with the use of the cage at club azzurie and charlestown oval. I can only recall two sessions being missed due to rain. He also got the obligatory Training shirt ( only one ) training shorts, socks, game shorts & training jacket.

Maybe we are getting ripped blind, but and I can only talk for my son's team, when compared to others and what they paid at other clubs I am more than happy with my spend.

[The Magician]

I don't see why the Sydney argument holds any weight at all. Just because somewhere does it this way, does that mean it automatically becomes a role model for us to base our relevant thing on? It's ridiculous. But to be fair, if parents are that gullible to pay said costs when there's a good chance the kids won't make NBN first grade, let alone professionally, then I suppose it's good business for the clubs.

That being said, in my opinion, NNSWF should impose a cap for NPL youth fees.

Indirectly they do... Ejets charge $900 plus camp costs and they travel all over newcastle looking for training ground... clubs shouldn't be charging more than the Ejets... And if these are our elite kids the best of the best and NNSWF can justify charging this much all other arguments about excessive rego in the NPL are rendered null and void.


If Barcelona can't not afford to not charge what chance does Levante and Getaffe have in not having too?

[Bremsstrahlung]

This may be a silly question, or it may be one you prefer not to answer, but that $600 - do players who get paid to play in first grade have to pay that (either upfront or it gets taken out of their final wage)? Or do they get free rego?

I believe they pay (either up front or out of payments) if you are talking about Southy. Other clubs are different though, each club has a particular negotiating/payment philosophy.


I think there will be some interesting times ahead. All these additional expenses to meet the NPL standard many of which the lay person may not appreciate. As FR says, referees come to $1000, so thats essentially gate takings to pay referees.
Sure, NNSW subsidise some of the coaching programs occasionally, but thats an added expense.
Unless the sponsorship value increases (clubs should be flogging the FFA Cup to sponsors, national exposure) some clubs may find themselves in a bit of trouble.

[Why Blue]

maybe speak to parents outside your club- only 4 clubs i know off that have requested monies not all?
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I actually said i speak with a lot of parents from a lot of clubs..........never claimed all

Also great points ForeverRed, forgot about ref's and linesmen at all games even trials, physio available for strapping and then on sideline for every game.

[late_to_the_game]

Fark!! $750. That's farken ridiculous!!

Rumor had it that the fee at Lakes was 950. Adamstown was 690.