13's Jets 4-1 Magic
14's Charlestown 2-1 Olympic
15's Weston 1-0 Edgeworth
17's Olympic 4-3 Magic penalties (1-1 full time)
13's Jets 4-1 Magic
14's Charlestown 2-1 Olympic
15's Weston 1-0 Edgeworth
17's Olympic 4-3 Magic penalties (1-1 full time)
17's game really entertaining game to watch for the non aligned spectator. Crowd got into the game as well, especially in the shoot out.
Olympic missed their captain and Centreback Joe Dean, (serving a suspension from the last game of the season) looked vulnerable at times, especially in the second half.
Magic were playing a more technical game, Olympic more direct.
Well done Olympic boys for an amazing year.
Different ways to play the game.Originally Posted by mother theresa
pfft amazing season- however what i saw was shit!!!! from Olympic playing every ball long, didn't string 1 pass all game.
On a positive note:
well done olympic, for excellent season, but the coaching is atrocious- all year every game, play it long- was yelled out by coach. the 12 year old EJets technically played better?
I'd rather have an undefeated (i think) season playing long balls, than lose games playing "technically".
mother theresa, you obviously have zero intelligence regarding football. What coaching qualifications do you have to judge the coaching of the Olympic team? Have you attended any of their training sessions? Have you listened to any of their team talks? Get real. They're a great team and coached really well and greatly deserved their achievements for this season. Give credit where credit is due.
A Long ball UEFA Pro license
As for zero intelligence, maybe you are right! however the coach got sacked from coaching the under 11's Newcastle Football side?
do i need to say anymore?
As for them being undefeated and winning well done- good achievement YES... will they be able to step up in the future with senior sides, playing like that NO, we will see-
The coach you are referring to left the role of coaching Newcastle Football under 11's due to personal reasons so I suggest you get your facts right before you make assumptions and comments.
As for the long ball comment, I don't recall them playing many long balls to a central target man which is the general basis of a long ball game. I did see them play efficient direct balls to their wide players who constantly tormented the opposition in one on one situations. While Magic perhaps did hold the ball for longer periods of time, it was rarely in dangerous areas. I recall them having maybe 3-4 decent chances (most of which were in the last 2 minutes of the game) but throughout the game Olympic created more chances. Everyone has their opinions but in a grand final it is less tactical and more about motivating the players to perform with a high intensity, as strategy should have been worked on throughout the season. I think to say the coaching throughout the season has been "atrocious" is very harsh.
Also, the majority of that squad have stepped up on a regular basis into the 19's squad and performed exceptionally well so your theory about them not being able to perform at a higher level has no validity. I do value everyone's opinion on football, particularly NPL as I am a keen follower, however to make such comments about the coaching and players' ability is unnecessarily detrimental based on your assumption alone, and possible bias towards Hamilton and its coaching staff.
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Did you read it before or after "Trolling for Dummies 101"?
How is the bloke trolling??
The bloke is expressing an opinion. Not everything that happens in local football needs praising cause there is a hell of a lot of mediocrity and incompetence
Kicking the ball long maybe an effective strategy but I think we as a football nation need to actually learn to ****ing play the game in other ways that focus on skill and technique or we will always be an inept player in the grand scheme of things in this game when others have these skills.
Coaching a team to play successfully this way isn't that big of an achievement if you have the right calibre of players with the right physical traits. It ain't getting you anywhere though long term
It's trolling when you dismiss everybody else's opinion. As was said in another thread, just because you say things a lot doesn't make them any more true.
Also, GVE was criticised for trying to make his players play a certain way when they obviously were best suited to other tactics/formations/strategies.
If the Olympic 17s were best suited to long balls, so be it. It worked for them. Their Grand Finalist medals, Minor premiership and Almost perfect season are the facts that support whatever coaching method was used.
Mother theresa, if you are unable to have a sensible discussion on the matter I don't know why you have joined this forum. As for the 'great short story', at least I have given evidence to my opinion where as you have just continually stated Olympic play long balls as well as your constant reference to the 'long ball curriculum' without any concrete debate. I'm sure most people would agree that the purpose of the long ball is to play high balls for a player to flick onto others. That didn't once occur in the game once. They were balls played either to the 7 or 11's feet or the space in behind Magic's defense (who play with an extremely high line, hence the space in behind for pacy wingers to exploit).if you say so death_sphere, great short story, i am sure i have read this very informative article in the long ball curriculum 101.
As for not many long balls, and play to central target man, is there a difference- pfft
You may disagree, however I believe the purpose of coaching youth is to expose them to efficient and various ways to break down opposition defenses. At the end of the day, the aim of the game is to score goals. Lets face it, no team in Australia is going to play tika taka football like Barcelona and even if they did it has proven to not always be the most efficient way to win games... Note: Barcelona and Bayern Munich's failure in European competitions as an example.
I believe another example would be the Socceroos under Postecoglou at the World Cup. They played quick transition counter attacks, either playing Leckie or Oar early on once having broken down opposition play and attacked with speed, as opposed to the quick, short passing he opted for with Brisbane Roar and Melbourne Victory. I am happy to continue the discussion, however without the immature and ignorant retort.
Meh, doesn't say much for the "technical" skills of the players or the "tactical" minds of opposition coaches if they can't coach their teams to defend a long ball. Quite easy really. If they do it as frequently as you say they do, why don't coaches (the non atrocious ones) adapt to the tactic?
The opposition coaches must be more atrocious, to lose every game against such a tactic.
This is actually a great point...peeps havin a shot at olympic coach re tactics but not for the opposition countering. But hey lets all hail the curriculum...sad really
I hope he likes prison food.......and penis
No, I never said there was a football curriculum.
I'm just curious though. You say the Olympic coach is "Atrocious" for playing a long ball tactic every week. My retort is that any decent coach, should realise (if these long balls are as prevalent as you suggest) that the opposition is playing a lot of long balls through and he would then either a) play offside trap or b) drop back in anticipation and defend the long ball or c) do nothing, and whinge that they only won because they played long balls.
There's no right or wrong way to play the game. Liverpool play on the counter and sacrifice their defence, Chelsea frustrate teams with possession, Man City play the ball to their mids to pull the strings - Each team plays to their strengths.
Personally, I do not really care about NPL Youth in the slightest. I do take exception to publicly defaming a coach as being "atrocious" despite him and his team achieving such success.
How is it trolling when you have an opinion that is contrary to others?? How is it trolling when you are passionately expressing what you believe in??
Maybe the issue lies with the closed minded people who dismiss others opinions like you are currently doing cause MT comes from a different angle.
I may not agree with everything MT has to say but I fully appreciate the blokes honesty and forth rightness to express an opinion and call for more than we are getting.
NNSW Fed has nearly as many registered players as the Victorian Fed. We can't name a bloke since Middleby to come out of the region to play for the NT. We struggle to get quality locals into the HAL who actually make an impact. Our NPL clubs were dumped out of the FFA Cup at first time of asking one by a Victorian 3rd division pub side FFS.
MT is right in my opinion to be expecting more from the regions football activities instead of blindly accepting the same inept efforts when we can and SHOULD be punching better than we currently are.
As for Olympic and long balls. Watched their U22's side today. They hoofed it all day and seemed the only tactic they had to move it forward at rapid pace usually by a long ball aimed in the general direction of a teammate. They won their league. Still doesn't make the coach a quality coach to teach and play that stuff.
You should run for CEO.
And yet your attacking Bremsstrahlung's opinion
I hope he likes prison food.......and penis
I consider this to be trolling. You've put forward valid points for discussion, and I've completely disregarded them because your opinion is different to mine. I've had to resort to sarcastic comments.
It's not so much the opinion, i agree with the underlying message in the posts, it is the manner in which they are expressed and inability to have a coherent discussion about those opinions without resorting to immature and demeaning retorts.
While you're point about lack of quality in the region is true, we should be doing better, there are a huge range of contributing problems, many of which are dependent upon one another. With the implementation of Emerging Jets, the NPL Youth, the all weather football headquarters at Speers Point, there are positive signs, but the effect of these measures will take some time to eventuate.
This is a forum for debate. It goes with the territory.
I actually at least read everyone's opinions and don't just dismiss them based on who they come from unlike many of the closed minded people on here do
Think we will find that is where this debate started to go personal instead of sticking to subject.
I think though your and my opinion on the definition of what actually is trolling though are a bit far away anyway so we will leave it at that and get back on course
Isn't Neil Owens the Olympic 22's coach? From what I've seen of his teams over the years they play decent football.
Anyway from what i'm seeing and hearing the general consensus is that people are generally disappointed with the level of coaching at U/19's level. Would love to know what coaching certificates/qualifications some of these guys hold.
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, coach.
Those who can't coach, commentate.
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