2015 NPL Youth

[Long ball advocate]

Totally agree with death_sphere on his point. I was at the 17s game, big crowd, big atmosphere. I thought Olympic were on top in the first half and the start of the 2nd, magic had a few chances towards the end with the Olympic keeper keeping them in the game. What Olympic were doing was not "long balls" as you say. They were trying to exploit magic through their pacy wingers who were causing trouble to magics backs. It was a great game. I've only see a few games of Olympic but I've seen every other team and Olympic have been the best team from what I have seen. In mother Theresa's case, I do respect everybody's opinion, but I do not like his use of the words "long balls" to dampen Olympics fantastic season, they deserve every accolade they got.

[Beast]

Question, so what constitutes a long ball?
1. a ball played from a midfielder over the top of the forward for him to run onto. Do you classify this as a long ball?

2. a ball player from a defender over the top of the midfield to a forward. Do you classify this as a long ball?

3. a ball played from a left midfielder on the sideline across to a right midfielder on the other sideline for a quick counter attack. Ball covers same distance as 2. Do you classify this as a long ball?

All depends on your personal interpretation or do people see it as the distance the ball travels.

[GazFish35]

The ball is round not long.

[death_sphere]

Question, so what constitutes a long ball?
1. a ball played from a midfielder over the top of the forward for him to run onto. Do you classify this as a long ball?

2. a ball player from a defender over the top of the midfield to a forward. Do you classify this as a long ball?

3. a ball played from a left midfielder on the sideline across to a right midfielder on the other sideline for a quick counter attack. Ball covers same distance as 2. Do you classify this as a long ball?

All depends on your personal interpretation or do people see it as the distance the ball travels.

I think this is a very valid point/question. When someone refers to a team as a 'long ball' team, I interpret it as a team who aimless loft the ball forward in the hope that their target man will win an aerial duel. Often I have seen the emrging jets and youth teams central defeders playing direct balls to the feet or their front 3. I suppose it's up to interpretation as to whether that is considered a long ball.

Also, saying a team is a long ball team because their goalkeeper is kicking it forward to halfway seems a little harsh. If a team squeezes up high enough on their opposition the goalkeeper often has no other option. Furthermore, a team who opt not to play out as often as they usually do due to weather/ground conditions can't be consitituted as a long ball team. Another example would be the Netherlands at the World Cup. Van Persie's headed goal from a long, measured diagonal ball was exellent. However, would a coach that advocates tika taka football rather he didn't play that ball between the centre backs and rather turn out and play his central defender again?

Whichever way you intepret it, it isn't black and white at all. Different game situations and strategies I suppose determine what a long ball is.

[death_sphere]

what defines a long ball?
very simple- now listen
the coach from HOFC calling out the whole game to the HOFC goalkeeper to kick the shit out of the round Nike ball to the striker or anyone in blue in the other half of the field.
wholly shit - how did i go with that explanation, extremely technical, was a whiteboard needed for this.
F$#K i am a football genius.
new topic, and stop telling your HOFC parents to google football explanations of the long ball

Come on now MT. Just when I thought we were making progress with you. Simmer down the comments and profanities. Beast brought up an interesting point. Also, the jibes/comments at HOFC parents and coaches and Greeks are getting old. Don't tell me you are the Magic 17's coach? Or better still, maybe you're Big Rob Virgili or Glen Chapman and are upset that none of your top 3 grades made the finals :P

[death_sphere]

The ball is round not long.

The pitch is fairly long, not round too gazza!

[death_sphere]

Not that it matters but whats coaching/football history over the past few years if you are willing to share?

I'm assuming you mean to ask my football/coaching history is, in which case I have a 71% win ratio on Football Manager with Leeds United over the past 3 seasons. Even snaked an FA Cup win!

[death_sphere]

No Magic here, just love the rivalry between the 2.
And a football fan thats it, DS always happy
Just a reminder though, didn't Magic win the last 3 years, State Cup etc.
I cant recall HOFC- remind me?? thats right best schnitzel in town.
Seriously, as you said i thought we could move on to another topic, but the long ball debate is obviously a burning issue.
Lastly, watching the game- full-time score was 1-1, no extra time, and if i recall you were chasing the game 1-0 down for approx 60 minutes, then to be down 3-1 in penalties. was that the tactic?
The only team that beat Magic was themselves, missing 2 chances to beat the unbeatable s, yes the end result was 4-3 to Olympic well done

At least we can agree on something.. it is a great rivalry. Your facts are spot on MT. Magic had the opportunity to equall the Northern NSW state record for 4 grand final wins in a row this season but neither 1st's, 22s or 19s could back up finals appearances this year. Magic's unusual capitulation this season is another great debate I'd love to hear everyone's opinions on, however this is only the NPL youth forum.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the long ball debate. It was interesting hearing others' opinions though as opposed to us two going back and forth!

And yes, you are correct in that Olympic were trailing for much of the game. I also recall Olympic squandering three opportunites before the goal was scored which all came from wide attacks. Magic's goal came from their first attack. To their credit they didn't sit back and soak up pressure after going 1-0 ahead either. Tactics go out the window during shootouts obviously and Magic were extremely unlucky being 3-1 up. But at that point in the season it is all about mental preparation for such situations and Magic didn't take their 2 chances to win the game. Who knows, perhaps Mother Teresa herself spiritually guided Hamilton to victory!!

[GO AWAY]

Long ball, tika taka whatever ... lets move on

Hamilton were the best team in the comp 58 points out of 60 says it all.

Magic were lucky to get there if anyone, to tell you the truth, to many individuals and constant arguing, if i was from either of these sides, id be looking for a coach at another team who can teach you to play long ( when its required ), so you can start playing possession, playing possession ( when its required ) to start playing long and getting in behind the defence, CCB and Weston spring to mind.

As a side note, Azzuri defeated magic both times this season, and were only done by long ball olympic both times by innocuous penalty decisions. Its the stupis decisions by NNSW to give some teams six points ( MAGIC / EDGEWORTH ) while making azzuri play one game less.

IMO it would have been a OLYMPIC/AZZURI GF but lets move on.

[FMC]

If you take a look magic was not in the top 2 all year they only got in top 4 like edgeworth with the double point rounds !!!

[FMC]

sorry CCB was round 10 and 11
well done

MT do you have a son in the 17's NPL comp ??

[italian stallion]

mt not many people in newcastle has a uefa pro license.you wouldnt happen to be a former a league coach that was sacked are you"?

[italian stallion]

or could you just be full of poo.which team are you currently coaching or have recently coached

[italian stallion]

mt it explains why you said the coaching was atrocious because you would be an expert on that subject.also i do recall you saying at one of your so called master classes that there wasnt no right or wrong way to coach

[380]

mt not many people in newcastle has a uefa pro license.you wouldnt happen to be a former a league coach that was sacked are you"?

Sacked , if it is then he wasn't sacked soon enough FFS.

[italian stallion]

im sorry everyone mt is full of poo nobody in newcastle has a uefa pro license. gve doesnt he only has his A license

[italian stallion]

mt your full of crap.its not hard to find out who has a uefa pro license.why lie?

[Bremsstrahlung]

There was at least a little constructive debating earlier, now it has just descended into a dick-waving thread.

[Why Blue]

There was at least a little constructive debating earlier, now it has just descended into a dick-waving thread.

Agreed.................can you blokes take your crap elsewhere so this thread can be used to talk about its intended purpose.
NOT how big a wanker each of you are !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Why Blue]

[QUOTE=mother theresa;91339]Hey Whyblue
you go on about personal attacks and then call people wankers?
Its obvious it takes one to know one.

Rumour Mill YBLUE- can u confirm?
CCB have trialled 19's this week, and requested a shy under $800 in full payment by next week? The source was on the religous thread, under Lamington Drive, and then CCB 2014 player payments needed.

OK you got me....................and I apologise, but my point was/still is lets cut the personal crap and talk about Youth football.

As for CCB 19's no clue, just hope all seniors are paid in full before my young bloke trials next month

Back to Youth football, did anyone get to see Bill Turner Cup Final on wed night, Hunter Sports V Cavendish Road. Cav Rd won 4-0 but what a cracker game, two great teams Hunter Sports just outplayed on the night but great effort to make final. Cav Rd are a credit to both their school and Brisbane Roar Youth Academy and shows what can be done when people work together, not like here where EJ program seems to work against Hunter Sports program. the First thing GVE should do if he is serious about youth development is travel to Brisbane and ask if they could show him how a real youth development program is run.