Daily Australian News Thread 2014

[hausmann]

If you up the cost of GA another $80 or whatever it is to match the rest of the league, how many people are no longer members?

And you can't just cut staff... you have to pay out their contract. If the management really is inept, what is the cost to get rid of all of them and start fresh? Couple of years each on contract, few hundred thousand to get rid of the shit ones, pushing a million to get rid of the lot?

We aren't exactly an exciting purchase for anyone. Maybe opportunities during the Asian Cup are about the only thing going for us and that's just the region, not the club itself.

Management aren't on contract.

Anyway, this is easily solved, they just buy the Jets A-League license, not the company. And then Tinkler makes them redundant from his now non-trading HSG.

Everyone knows the Jets memberships are a bargain. If people jump ship because the prices are raised to similar levels of other teams in the comp, are we really supporters? Are we only in it if we can handicap our team compared to other A-League teams in the one area we have influence ie. how much money we pay directly to the club? Anyway, the Gold and Silver memberships in prime seats are the ones I would expect to jump most in price.

Maybe they won't raise them straight away, maybe it will be in increments over a number of years. But you can't expect a new owner who doesn't own the Knights and so isn't leveraging on year round membership numbers to bring in sponsors (even though it didn't really work) to keep prices so low.

[Grimario]

Management aren't on contract.

Anyway, this is easily solved, they just buy the Jets A-League license, not the company. And then Tinkler makes them redundant from his now non-trading HSG.

Everyone knows the Jets memberships are a bargain. If people jump ship because the prices are raised to similar levels of other teams in the comp, are we really supporters? Are we only in it if we can handicap our team compared to other A-League teams in the one area we have influence ie. how much money we pay directly to the club? Anyway, the Gold and Silver memberships in prime seats are the ones I would expect to jump most in price.

Stubbins and co aren't under contract?

Well, that's a surprise.

Unless you are specifically referring to people that are contracted to HSG such as your Palmer sorts, I am certain the rest will be employees of the Newcastle Jets and can't just be binned off because of a license handover.

[hausmann]

Stubbins and co aren't under contract?

Well, that's a surprise.

Unless you are specifically referring to people that are contracted to HSG such as your Palmer sorts, I am certain the rest will be employees of the Newcastle Jets and can't just be binned off because of a license handover.

I am talking about Middleby, Duffield Thomas etc. That's who I thought Tommyjet was referring to when he said that "current management must be retained". The A-League license is the only thing that has to be sold. FFA owns all the intellectual property of the Jets and can just transfer it across to the new owner. It all depends on whether the new owner would want to start from scratch or not.

[Grimario]

Are they contracted to HSG or to Jets though? Both have job roles specific to the Jets, not HSG, right?

[GazFish35]

All this is based on there actually being a new owner.
How long will Tinkler keep funding the club even on minimum spend?
Surely he'll walk away at some stage, assuming the cost of reneging on the lisence is cheaper than keeping things ticking over.


I've notice a distinct change in the clubs PR stuff online since HSG have seemingly taken a step back..... Things feel more natural, positive and fun and less contrived, I hope this new mood can continue.

[Thomas477]

I don't normally listen to it. They do apparently have a good track record at predicting transfers but I can't validate that as I rarely pay attention to sst. I merely posted the above for the purpose of discussion.

The main contentious signing tony rallis was alluding to was Sam Gallagher. It was said he trialled and stubbins declined but middleby stepped in and said Gallagher is the best you'll get Phil

So it's Middleby's fault? Isn't that what I've been saying for the past 2-3 years?

[hausmann]

Are they contracted to HSG or to Jets though? Both have job roles specific to the Jets, not HSG, right?

I don't think it matters who they are contracted to the point remains that all the new owner really has to do to take over the club is buy the A-League license, the piece of paper that says that they have a place in the A-League. The management would be contracted one of the companies that runs the Jets. So if the company sells its A-League license, it is simply a shell of a company that has no revenue base anymore. I presume the current employees of that company can try and enforce their contracts out of the sale proceeds. But Tinkler may have set it up so that one company employs people and another holds the assets, and they may have trouble legally enforcing their contracts.

Anyway the point is that the new owner doesn't have to take these employees on.

[hausmann]

How long will Tinkler keep funding the club even on minimum spend?
Surely he'll walk away at some stage, assuming the cost of reneging on the lisence is cheaper than keeping things ticking over.

Wasn't there a threat to sue him if he walked away last time? And that was before he signed the extended 10 year license.

[hausmann]

I've notice a distinct change in the clubs PR stuff online since HSG have seemingly taken a step back..... Things feel more natural, positive and fun and less contrived, I hope this new mood can continue.

I have too. And the players shouldn't really care because the salary cap is guaranteed and FFA have said they are committed to Newcastle.

If there is no buyer in the offing, this would be an ideal time to start up a supporter owned club. Is it a case of speak now or forever hold our peace?

[Blackmac79]

Wasn't there a threat to sue him if he walked away last time? And that was before he signed the extended 10 year license.

Gav is assuming that tinks is still funding the club.

My understanding is that he isnt

[GazFish35]

Gav is assuming that tinks is still funding the club.

My understanding is that he isnt

Who is then? Was he required to set up a trust fund type of funding arrangement?
If FFA are running the club, it might actually be a blessing I disguise, they've learnt a lot from the Wanderers experience.

[GazFish35]

this would be an ideal time to start up a supporter owned club. Is it a case of speak now or forever hold our peace?

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football...-1227077084872

Victory for $500

[Grimario]

Who is then? Was he required to set up a trust fund type of funding arrangement?
If FFA are running the club, it might actually be a blessing I disguise, they've learnt a lot from the Wanderers experience.

Who is? FFA have said clubs can cover salary cap with TV revenue alone, right? Throw in income from merchandise and memberships, that should cover a bunch of other overheads.

Maybe?

[joel31]

Calling Stubbins a failure is a bit harsh when the season hasnt started yet. Im willing to give him a chance!

It seems we have gone the Melbourne Victory route. Sign a very impressive front third and hope the defenders can do enough. At least we should (for the love of god please) see some entertaining football, win or lose!

I didn't say he was a failure, I said he failed in this window but if he didn't have a choice for some signings then the blame is shifted elsewhere

[hausmann]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football...-1227077084872

Victory for $500

Yeah, that sounds like a great way to go. Wish I was rich enough to be a majority shareholder I would do something like this. Problem is Tinkler wants $5m just for the license, and a $500 stake wouldn't cover that.

[joel31]

According to Tony Rallis site he was a scout for the Jets at some point

[Blackmac79]

What you are confusing gav is ownership and funding. Tinks owns the club. He is not putting a cent into running it though.

[joel31]

Yeah, that sounds like a great way to go. Wish I was rich enough to be a majority shareholder I would do something like this. Problem is Tinkler wants $5m just for the license, and a $500 stake wouldn't cover that.

Maybe we could approach FFA instead, seeing as Tinks wants out they can pressure him to sell it for cheaper or just take the license off him

[GazFish35]

What you are confusing gav is ownership and funding. Tinks owns the club. He is not putting a cent into running it though.

Whose funding it then?
I'd assume the players wages are guaranteed under the CBA, but what about the poor bastards in the office?

[GazFish35]

Maybe we could approach FFA instead, seeing as Tinks wants out they can pressure him to sell it for cheaper or just take the license off him

Approach them with what? We haven't got 10,000 members with the cheapest tickets in the league, we aren't going to get enough fans to buy into the club to keep it afloat.