good point, but kids cant play senior football till they turn 15. that rules out a lot of kids in U/15 but after that they should be looking at 19'sOriginally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
good point, but kids cant play senior football till they turn 15. that rules out a lot of kids in U/15 but after that they should be looking at 19's
I mean the ones playing "A-Grade" that aren't involved in the NPL Youth setup. Maybe that's where we will see future change. With the regulations of Coaching Certificates for NPL Coaches, players playing in the NPL Youth are playing against better opposition, training with good facilities and access to Senior Coaches/training opportunities, being coached by FFA-deemed-better coaches and have a very real pathway to move through the ranks of NPL Youth and into the senior setup. I think a great deal of development would occur in this comp compared to Interdistrict juniors. I'm not sure of Magic's Junior coaching requirements (I assume they are more structured than joe's dad) but i daresay i'd rather be involved in an NPL club's elite pathway if my future goal was to play NPL.
EDIT: MT, What was the point of posting the ID junior results, to clarify?
South Cardiff, but it was only a 6 team comp. The bottom 2 were out of the running for finals with 2-3 games to go.
Middleby Gone
Lawrie Out
Beg to differ, having watched plenty of both , There is no shortage of kids in interdistrict who would run rings around those playing in the so called elite comp.
there is no point to statements like this, I'm sure there were kids in 14A who could hold their own in NPL and I agree there were some kids in 14 NPL that were out of their depth. But unless playing in NPL the kids from A's,B's wherever will not be tested against better player's better structures etc. As such claims of their ability are unfounded. This year in NPL 14 one kid came into comp claiming to have scored over 200 goals ( i know what parent counts ) which would have been an average of about 30 per season. This year the team he played for barely managed 20 goals in NPL. What does that say, great player when playing kids of lesser ability, not so great when playing kids of same or higher ability, all it says to me is he has never played in his correct grade.
NPL is the Elite competition as such if you want to test and compare yourself to the best, play in it. Simple
I don't think anyone can deny NPL is the elite comp and it's where all the best players SHOULD go, however just like in all sports there is always politics and other factors as to why some better players are not playing NPL whilst others who shouldn't be there are, whether it be club driven, or personal driven. There is no defined right or wrong that's going to please everybody, just aims, objectives, opinions and different situations. I think I may have kicked off this debate with the CCB trialling example which I was witness to, sad to see potential waved away by the selectors but at same time understand CCB needed to pick who they see as best.
Agree with why blue, the comparison, or even boasting of magics or anyone's junior record is irrelevant in the context of NPL.
If you are good enough, you'll be picked up somewhere along the line. I agree there are a great deal of politics, but there's politics in everything. Luckily there are clubs around that will give people a shot if they are willing to forego the egocentric clubs.
So why should we be rewarding NPL clubs who really don't have youth development at their heart? Why not bring in a criteria for for the "elite" divisions and let clubs and teams promote and relegate to the top tier. I don't see why a good team such as magic A's below as was mentioned should have to be disbanded or kids forced to play at other NPL youth clubs away from their mates if they are good enough as a team. If this Magic team in the 14 A's is so good then why don't we let them make their way into the npl youth grade by promotion and see how foot they are. I can't see the fairness in artificially building up clubs if they really are not interested in youth development, even more i am a great believer in promotion and relegation. Our problem is coaching at all levels and until we coach the coaches it hardly seems fair to be playing politics with the kids. And in saying that i don't believe the ejs deserve special time frames and protected selection criteria. Lets face it they are turning in the politicised rep teams of yesteryear.
I don't get how whoever comes last in the NPL (this year Lake Macquarie) gets relegated and then so does all their youth teams...so the junior players wanting to stay in the NPL have to trial at other clubs ? How does this work for the loyalty and bringing kids up through the system if a club gets relegated ? Club does their best to retain as many kids as possible whilst trying to re-enter the NPL ?
Wait what?
Promotion and relegation for 14 year olds. Seriously? Mum and dad put enough pressure on these kids now, trying to win back some trophies they missed out on, they don't need clubs worried about being promoted or relegated.
Juniors was always promotion/relegation with teams doing well in D grade being promoted to B grade the next season. But having this in elite competition would be a logistical nightmare for everyone.
As for rewarding teams that don't develop... I don't know, clubs develop players in different ways, players get different oppurtunities at various clubs.
Eg a player may play juniors for kotara, then move to magic for U12s and trial for a rep team, may play for the rep team for 2 years then go back to magic to play. At 16 johnny isn't getting a look in at Magic to play 17s or 19s so moves to southy or Adamstown or whoever.
It could however be designed to include all npl licensed clubs
Wallsend Football Club - NewFM 2015
Wallsend Football Club will be running trials and welcomes both new and existing players to trial for our u17's, u19's & u23's teams
These sessions will be held at Federal Park (off Boscawen street), Wallsend.
The dates are:
- Friday 17th October,kick off 6pm -7:30pm
- Monday 20th October,kick off 6pm -7:30pm
- Wednesday 22nd October,kick off 6pm -7:30pm
(players to arrive at least half hr before to register details for these sessions)
Head coach contact: Josh Rufo - 0448 034 955
U23 coach contact: Mick Bell - 0417665753
U19 coach contact: Alex Caley - 0422310109
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It may very well be the " elite " comp in name but it certainly does not contain all the elite talent.
There would be a multitude of kids with more ability residing in areas such as the bottom of the lake , Up the Bay or up the Hunter Valley who have parents who just can't make the sort of commitment required ie travel to training twice a week for there kids to participate.
There would also be many many more whose parents cannot afford the registration fees associated with playing in these comps. Some parents find it hard enough just to fund there kids to play interdistrict let alone the fees associated with the other comp. For those who don't know this can be and is quite often upward of $ 500.00 per season.
When the " Elite " comp is more representative of the entire region and is not a rip financially like it is perhaps then it will contain all the best talent in each age group and as such can well and truly be classed as the elite comp in every sense and meaning of the word. Simple.
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There are players playing All Age that are better than some playing NPL. Does that make the NPL any less of an "Elite" competition?
Correct you are which makes the point that if you want to test yourself against the best then play in it invalid.
I can recall one club who had trials for the under 15's elite comp select every kid who showed up for the trials because after several trial days they were the only ones to show. In actual fact that same year 2 clubs in the elite comp were assembled under those circumstances.
Anyways shall agree to disagree eh ?.
I see what your saying but I'm struggling to see the relevance in the grand scheme.
If there is a way you can play, and you are choosing not to, then I don't think you can comment on whether you are better than those actually playing in the competition. They may be, but, until they trial, get a position and play, who knows.
Craig Foster babbles on like he designed the game of football, invented the Wanderers and wrote all the coaching manuals, yet will not put his money where his mouth is and coach any team to prove it.
There are players playing in the championship, that are better than some playing in the premier league, does that make the premier league any less of a league?
Sure, there are good players everywhere. There is an elite competition. If you want to play there, there is a way, if not, don't.
A lot of this chat seems to be based on the Magic U/14A and well they performed in this years come.....................so have any of those kids trailed at any NPL clubs........???? None at CCB, did they trial elsewhere ??? or are they happy to stay in 15A comp and win again ????
I have seen a couple at Lambton and Edgy trialing but don't think any made it.. Most of them are happy to play with their mates in A grade
look if as you say a lot of them just want to play with their mates than why did this debate even start ???? If they seriously just want to play with mates than do so no issue, but then dont try and compare them to NPL players...........if they play NPL than they can be directly compared.
Truth is, a lot of last years A's trialled at NPL clubs this year, Cardiff, Jaffa's, Edgy even Maitland to name a few..........whilst there might be a few exceptions the vast majority did not succeed with these trials.
Weston had a second trial last night and again Friday night for their 15 NPL side, after 5 accepted positions then left to join Maitland a week later!
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