The A-League Expansion Thread

[380]

You don't need to be a genius to recognize the cards are being stacked on this issue to favor one particular expression of interest for inclusion. The other groups / clubs expressing interest know this but are clearly afraid to say too much on the record.

Given Southern Expansion have Chinese backing and have also given a commitment of sorts to build there own stadium at Loftus they are a dead cert unfortunately.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Was just reading something on fox about the expansion.
Apparently this is the first season since 2013 that either of the top 2 teams hasn’t made the grand final.
Sydney and City really fell short didn’t they.
FFS.

Other points include proposed play each other twice, not three times.
International breaks.
FFA Cup weekend and a longer final series

[mic22]

Was just reading something on fox about the expansion.
Apparently this is the first season since 2013 that either of the top 2 teams hasn’t made the grand final.
Sydney and City really fell short didn’t they.
FFS.

Other points include proposed play each other twice, not three times.
International breaks.
FFA Cup weekend and a longer final series

Haha... that's good for us, they still haven't taken notice, let's hope they keep doing that.

Playing each team twice is not a bad idea: that would amount to 22 games in the first phase (with a 12 teams competition).
Then, they could split the comp in two: the first 6 and the last 6 play each other twice, 10 more games and the first one in the ladder is the winner, no playoffs or GF. 10 more games, a total of 32 for the season.

[la bazzle]

Canberra has Mooseheads = give them a spot

[MFKS]

Haha... that's good for us, they still haven't taken notice, let's hope they keep doing that.

Playing each team twice is not a bad idea: that would amount to 22 games in the first phase (with a 12 teams competition).
Then, they could split the comp in two: the first 6 and the last 6 play each other twice, 10 more games and the first one in the ladder is the winner, no playoffs or GF. 10 more games, a total of 32 for the season.

They done something like that in the NSL just before it died

It was absolute garbage and didnt work then

Early into the final series it was all over

Complete waste of time the rest of it

[Couscous]

Someone in Canberra stabbed a wombat.

Canberra doesn't deserve a team.

[Swifts]

They done something like that in the NSL just before it died

It was absolute garbage and didnt work then

Early into the final series it was all over

Complete waste of time the rest of it

There was a game between Newcastle and Northern Spirit in this 10 game 'finals series' that the Member speaks of. The game was washed out (i think?). Anyway, the game was meant to be replayed at a later date, but in the end the result wasn't going to affect anything, so they didn't play the game at all. Was a bit of a farce.

[plague]

Was a bit of a farce.

oh so you're saying it will fit perfectly with the A-League then?

[boz-monaut]

so just to clarify the dates

24 May - closing date for expressions of interest

June - shortlist from the eoi submissions

11 June - Request for Proposals

31 August - closing date for proposals

31 October - Announcement

1 November - media and internet shitstorm

[Jeterpool]

31 October - Announcement

1 November - media and internet shitstorm

That's generous timing between the two. I expect shitstorms between every step.

[Jetmaster]

Halloween - wonderful timing.

[MFKS]

so just to clarify the dates

24 May - closing date for expressions of interest

June - shortlist from the eoi submissions

11 June - Request for Proposals

31 August - closing date for proposals

31 October - Announcement

1 November - media and internet shitstorm

When 1 club in the Strikers have pulled out already based on their non happyness with the criteria or more correctly the FFAs lack of a proper process it shows what we have on our hands here

A ****ing farce where it is already pre done

So the SE Sydney side is 1

Who is the other the FFA are letting in.

Bet you it not South Melbourne as they have no interest at FFA HQ to mend any relationships with the ethnic element in this country

[380]

When 1 club in the Strikers have pulled out already based on their non happyness with the criteria or more correctly the FFAs lack of a proper process it shows what we have on our hands here

A ****ing farce where it is already pre done

So the SE Sydney side is 1

Who is the other the FFA are letting in.

Bet you it not South Melbourne as they have no interest at FFA HQ to mend any relationships with the ethnic element in this country

Yep. The way i am seeing things or more importantly how the other Expression of Interest clubs are interpreting things is they know the existing clubs will not want to divvy up what $$$$$$ has already been agreed upon from the last round of funding/sponsorship/rights deals so FFA will be keen to bring in clubs who can cover that initial handicap. My understanding and happy to be corrected if wrong but the next round is a few years away yet so FFA looking to introduce clubs with enough of there own money. This is why that cluster hybrid Southern Expansion will get a run, Gallop on the record for last few years about this being his preference and the groups alleged bottomless pit of Chinese Money to support them financially. FFA had there minds made up a long time ago and has just been a matter of the timing IMO.

[Couscous]

What is the Member's ethnicity?

[plague]

and the groups alleged bottomless pit of Chinese Money to support them financially.

anyone out there who doesnt understand that this is the one and only criteria that matters is a sucker.

finally the Double-Eff-Aye is bringing the right people into the market.

Community clubs stink and are for poor people.

[mic22]

They done something like that in the NSL just before it died

It was absolute garbage and didnt work then

Early into the final series it was all over

Complete waste of time the rest of it

I understand your point... but we already have "meaningless" games with the current format.
Also, in the vast majority of the football world, playoffs do not exist - which can lead to the winner being decided with 10 games to go, and to "meaningless" games, yes, yet it's very unlikely you'll ever see an empty stadium even if neither of the teams are fighting for relegation.
What was the attendance for the Sydney semifinal?

[boz-monaut]

I also get the feeling that we'll end up with an odd number of teams and a bye round

just seems like exactly the sort of cock up the double effay excel at

[belchardo]

bidz are in.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/fifteen-bids-in-the-race-for-two-spots-in-a-league-expansion-20180524-p4zhda.html


ACT: Canberra.
NSW: South-West Sydney (Liverpool), Southern Expansion (Sutherland-St George Illawarra), Wollongong Wolves, Macarthur (Campbelltown).
QUEENSLAND: Brisbane City, Gold Coast United, Western Pride/Ipswich.
SOUTH AUSTRALIA: West Adelaide.
TASMANIA: State-wide.
VICTORIA: Team 11 (South-East Melbourne), South Melbourne, Western Melbourne, Belgravia Leisure.
WESTERN AUSTRALIA: Fremantle City.

would love Canberra and Tassie, but i suspect we will get Southern Expansion and one of the Qld bids.

[380]

Like to see Wolves and Canberra but yeh we will get Southern Bitsa sadly and probs Ipswich.

[plague]

Gold Coast def.

Fastest growing area in Oz, cant fail.

[halo se7en]

The hell is Belgravia Leisure?

[plague]

The hell is Belgravia Leisure?

sounds def like a money laundering operation.

therefore im all for it.

Forza Belgravia!!!!

[belchardo]

The hell is Belgravia Leisure?

http://belgravialeisure.com.au/


Belgravia Leisure connects community to leisure. What does this mean? To everyday people, this means that they can enjoy our swim, fitness, sporting and leisure services regardless of their physical ability, financial capacity, cultural background or stage of life.


To governments and owners of recreational facilities, this means they can be confident that everyone in their local communities has an equal opportunity to access services or further their careers at their centres.




Aquatic and fitness clubs
Sports stadiums
Golf courses
Day spas and wellness retreats
Events and hospitality centres

[belchardo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=107&v=LFyl06gz94A

Fremantle City

[turbojetfireV8]

http://belgravialeisure.com.au/

looks like they've started their bid already (from their Stadium Sports page):
http://belgravialeisure.com.au/tt?src=%2Fresources%2Fprograms%2F55cc5490175bb.jpg&w=650&h=400

[belchardo]

https://www.weareteam11.com/

Team 11


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=EwoT3GjOe4E

and oh my god, they've got Ljubo in the video! give 'em the spot now.

[Jetmaster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=107&v=LFyl06gz94A

Fremantle City

Poor - you could revoice that vid and change a couple of slides and use it as a bid for any club.

Would take 20 mins.

[Jeterpool]

https://www.weareteam11.com/

Team 11


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=EwoT3GjOe4E

and oh my god, they've got Ljubo in the video! give 'em the spot now.

That's an impressive video. On the surface, a much greater effort that the Fremantle City FC by comparison.

The data on the demographic and appearance of collaboration and unity between local clubs and council is a strong selling point.

As a neutral, that certainly sparks my interest.

[The Dunster]

We've experienced the pitfalls of signing players based on videos - now we are signing entire clubs. Have we not learned anything over the past ten years ?

[Jeterpool]

We've experienced the pitfalls of signing players based on videos - now we are signing entire clubs. Have we not learned anything over the past ten years ?

The video would form part of a broader submission. I'd really hope they're reading the proposals the clubs are submitting.

[boz-monaut]

here is a simple idea

there's been 15 bids for the A-league

the double effay should cut Wellington, take the top three bids and make a 12 team A-League

the remaining 12 are invited to form the A2-League, with promotion and relegation to happen after some initial settling period

[evolution]

here is a simple idea

there's been 15 bids for the A-league

the double effay should cut Wellington, take the top three bids and make a 12 team A-League

the remaining 12 are invited to form the A2-League, with promotion and relegation to happen after some initial settling period

Now now Boz, this is the FFA we are talking about. No room for common sense here!

[plague]

here is a simple idea

there's been 15 bids for the A-league

the double effay should cut Wellington, take the top three bids and make a 12 team A-League

the remaining 12 are invited to form the A2-League, with promotion and relegation to happen after some initial settling period

Perfect except keep Wellington and kick South Melbourne out but keep everyone else then gallop fronts the press saying hes got no beef wif Efniks.

[Jetmaster]

here is a simple idea

there's been 15 bids for the A-league

the double effay should cut Wellington, take the top three bids and make a 12 team A-League

the remaining 12 are invited to form the A2-League, with promotion and relegation to happen after some initial settling period

Ah yes, but being in the second division changes the financial modelling and some of these submissions probably will say A-League or nothing.

[turbojetfireV8]

I'm assuming the A2 league will have a ready made sponsor in that case... :popcorn: (still won't buy their milk though ;) )

[Bon]

I'm assuming the A2 league will have a ready made sponsor in that case... :popcorn: (still won't buy their milk though ;) )

:lulzturtle:

[MFKS]

Serious issue here

This 2nd division mythological idea.

Considering the basic financial issues of it and the costs to send a 2nd division team all over the country etc

Going to have to allow clubs to spend what they see fit.

This is the reality of it if it ever going to happen

This being the case the simplest way for it to occur

Is to remove the Minimum spend and maximum spend of the Salary Cap in the HAL

Let the Gypos be as povo as they like.


Once you do this then there is **** all need for the FFA criteria of x amount sponsorship and all the other BS they are putting on these bids

A second division can be created quickly


To me the biggest thing holding up a 2nd division is the FFA and the exxessive level of control they are putting on HAL ownership and the salary cap

Both have to go

[Bremsstrahlung]

Australia is a tricky place for sport. As a general rule, sport in Australia is the complete opposite to football around the word, with exception of perhaps USA.
Australian sports fans want to see finals series. It’s a success in terms of marketing and fan engagement.
Salary caps in Australia create sustainability imo. Which is important here. But it means we fall behind in world wide competition.
I actually don’t see too much of a problem with salary cap. I think they could build in a few more loopholes to attract quality players. But if we abolish salary cap, Sydney and Melbourne teams will flourish. Clubs in non capitals will be left with dreggs of players and they can’t compete and we end up with a la liga situation when every year it’s between 2 clubs. Maybe 3.

At least now there’s definitive ebbs and flows of teams being successful and rebuilding for years.
If we got relegated one year, we sure as hell wouldn’t put enough long term effort in to be promoted. I for one am grateful that our status in the a league is more or less a certainty.

The game needs to develop, and finding a sustainable way to do so is important. Learning from mistakes from failed NSL competitions is important.

[MFKS]

Australia is a tricky place for sport. As a general rule, sport in Australia is the complete opposite to football around the word, with exception of perhaps USA.
Australian sports fans want to see finals series. It’s a success in terms of marketing and fan engagement.
Salary caps in Australia create sustainability imo. Which is important here. But it means we fall behind in world wide competition.
I actually don’t see too much of a problem with salary cap. I think they could build in a few more loopholes to attract quality players. But if we abolish salary cap, Sydney and Melbourne teams will flourish. Clubs in non capitals will be left with dreggs of players and they can’t compete and we end up with a la liga situation when every year it’s between 2 clubs. Maybe 3.

At least now there’s definitive ebbs and flows of teams being successful and rebuilding for years.
If we got relegated one year, we sure as hell wouldn’t put enough long term effort in to be promoted. I for one am grateful that our status in the a league is more or less a certainty.

The game needs to develop, and finding a sustainable way to do so is important. Learning from mistakes from failed NSL competitions is important.

In a 1 league closed shop set up like the HAL is you can get away with havinbg a salary cap

If you are going to go 2 divisions and bring in promotion and relegation I cant see how you can persevere with it

Promotion Relegation is a system to allow success and innovation with advancement and punish malasise lazyness and poor planning with relegation

A Salary Cap would only be hindering clubs from finding their place

In a 1 comp set up you can have it but as soon as you looking at 2 divisions it has to go

[plague]

Sydney and Melbourne teams will flourish

they've won 7/13 with your stupid rules in place anyway.

the quicker the Double-Eff-Aye play on the egos of mega rich assholes and let them spend their way to the top (starting in the 2nd div) the quicker the A-League grows.

Rich assholes who own sports teams dont look to break even/make a profit on their year to year operations. they look to increase the value of their franchise by growing the whole damn pie. serious America is right there as a template. why do these idiots at HQ make it so damn hard on themselves.

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/volume-and-quality-of-a-league-bids-could-prompt-ffa-to-think-bigger-20180525-p4zhlb.html

FFA may not be able to run a competition, but they are world class at distraction and teasing.

[Premy]

http://www.westernmelbourne.com/announcements/wyndham-city-council-support/

Just go to 14 teams, play each other twice 26 rounds.

Get rid of the Nix, we need teams that are ready to go now. Not oh yeah give us a spot we promise we'll do this and that.
-Tassie
-South Melbourne
-Canberra
-Wollongong Wolves
-Western Pride


Pipe Dream 2nd Division, 12 teams play each other twice 22 rounds
If these consortiums are serious then set them up in second division, spend your cash build your stadium and gain promotion.
-Northern Fury
-Brisbane Strikers
-Brisbane City
-Gold Coast United
-Sydney 1
-Sydney 2
-Sydney 3
-Team IX
-Melboure Knights
-Western Melbourne
-West Adelaide
-Fremantle

Get rid of the finals have a league cup played midweek over the 2 divisions with the final to be played the week after the leagues finish.
I know Pipedream.

[The Dunster]

http://www.westernmelbourne.com/announcements/wyndham-city-council-support/

Just go to 14 teams, play each other twice 26 rounds.

Get rid of the Nix, we need teams that are ready to go now. Not oh yeah give us a spot we promise we'll do this and that.
-Tassie
-South Melbourne
-Canberra
-Wollongong Wolves
-Western Pride


Pipe Dream 2nd Division, 12 teams play each other twice 22 rounds
If these consortiums are serious then set them up in second division, spend your cash build your stadium and gain promotion.
-Northern Fury
-Brisbane Strikers
-Brisbane City
-Gold Coast United
-Sydney 1
-Sydney 2
-Sydney 3
-Team IX
-Melboure Knights
-Western Melbourne
-West Adelaide
-Fremantle

Get rid of the finals have a league cup played midweek over the 2 divisions with the final to be played the week after the leagues finish.
I know Pipedream.

South Melbourne were a very strong club many years ago - but they are nothing special these days. They would be smashed if they had to compete in the A-league for a season.
Tasmania is no different to Wellington with respect to travel and being somewhere nobody would want to go to play.
Wollongong Wolves - Not sure if they could make it financially.
Western Pride - again not seeing why Queensland would / should get another go given past failures.

I like the 2nd division idea - but until the FFA gets sorted or the teams can broker their own TV / merchandising rights I'm not sure how they'd go financially either give costs of travel and so on.

[MFKS]

Interesting to see that Stadium the Soccerroos played in last night

Commentators saying cost 27 million


So why we need to play in 30k stadia?

[mic22]

Interesting to see that Stadium the Soccerroos played in last night

Commentators saying cost 27 million

Wow, that's about 1 million per seat :D

[halo se7en]

Interesting to see that Stadium the Soccerroos played in last night

Commentators saying cost 27 million


So why we need to play in 30k stadia?

Did they say it held 6-8k?

[belchardo]

Did they say it held 6-8k?

8K expandable to 13K according to wikipedia.

[MFKS]

Did they say it held 6-8k?

It really the way ahead for this code and hopefully the pea brains at FFA and the clubs start to realise it.

Proper football ground
Properly proportioned to the crowds


Went to a game in Thailand the other month.
Steel stands
No seats

You stood or sat

Your call

Was right on top of the ground so the view was quality

Yet we spend hundreds of millions on grounds in this country for what??

For the money we spend we get **** all value

[halo se7en]

It really the way ahead for this code and hopefully the pea brains at FFA and the clubs start to realise it.

Proper football ground
Properly proportioned to the crowds


Went to a game in Thailand the other month.
Steel stands
No seats

You stood or sat

Your call

Was right on top of the ground so the view was quality

Yet we spend hundreds of millions on grounds in this country for what??

For the money we spend we get **** all value

I agree, I’m all for the smaller purpose-built football stadiums and not these larger monstrosities that try to cater for 12 different sports, meanwhile acting as a desolate wasteland for 95% of games.

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-expansion-hopefuls-wollongong-wolves-welcome-canberra-s-bid-20180529-p4zi5c.html

bit of a nothing story, but a few points of note.

4 to 6 teams to be shortlisted and announced on monday - unless of course they have forgotten it is a long weekend.

[Couscous]

CBF linking to anything, but the Canberra bid seems to have strengthened a lot in a month. It's drawn in some better people who weren't involved previously. It now has the support of Capital Football and (I think) the ACT government.

Most interestingly, it's adopted a Bundesliga-style community-ownership model. So the club will always be 51% owned by members. I think this will work in Canberra. It's a pretty rich place; much higher disposable income levels in this city than elsewhere in Australia, even if the private sector isn't huge.

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-a-league-bid-quietly-confident-ahead-of-d-day-20180610-p4zkn5.html

[boz-monaut]

so the shortlist is supposed to come out tomorrow

any idea how short a list it'll be? or are they determining that based on the bids?

[Couscous]

It was meant to come out yesterday: 11 June. Well done, FFA.

[belchardo]

local ABC in canberra reporting that the announcement has been delayed by a week (is anybody surprised?). also said 4-6 are expected to be shortlisted.

[Couscous]

Farquing hell: the FFA didn't even tell the bids its decision would be delayed.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-a-league-bid-left-waiting-as-ffa-delay-expansion-announcement-20180611-p4zkq1.html

[Jetmaster]

Delay would be due to FFA officials being on the Russia gravy train this week.

[MFKS]

Delay would be due to FFA officials being on the Russia gravy train this week.

Or

They dont know what they are doing and making it up as they going

This is a shotgun marriage of convenience anyway


It not like it was a well thought out idea where they have identified a market buttered it up for a year or so and then looked to exploit.

****s are juyst throwing darts in the dark blindfolded hoping it works

[Grimario]

I prefer to think of it as the FFA reassessing their two team figure in wake of the huge number of bids.








Ahhahah

[380]

Farquing hell: the FFA didn't even tell the bids its decision would be delayed.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-a-league-bid-left-waiting-as-ffa-delay-expansion-announcement-20180611-p4zkq1.html

That is because the game is being run by a Daddy's boy and a bloke shown up for his inabilities at this level in another code.

[belchardo]

i hear crickets warming up...

[belchardo]

still nothing, but here's something else

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/ivan-slavich-slams-ffa-for-delaying-a-league-expansion-announcement-20180621-p4zmsx.html

[MFKS]

still nothing, but here's something else

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/ivan-slavich-slams-ffa-for-delaying-a-league-expansion-announcement-20180621-p4zmsx.html

Gallop flew to Honduras to watch the Socceroos in WCQ

Where you think him and Lowy are right now??

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-expansion-announcement-appears-to-have-finally-arrived-20180628-p4zoci.html

D-day all over again.

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-has-been-shortlisted-for-a-league-expansion-20180629-p4zoik.html

Canberra and Wollongong shortlisted. official announcement this afternoon.

Couscous, would you consider buying in? i'm certainly interested.

[Jeterpool]

Ray Gatt is saying Tasmania have missed out along with Adelaide 11, Fremantle and Gold Coast.

[evolution]

Ray Gatt is saying Tasmania have missed out along with Adelaide 11, Fremantle and Gold Coast.

Yet 3 bids (4 if you count Wollongong) from "South" Sydney and 3 from Melbourne made the cut. Very disappointing for the Tasmanians as I thought that was one of the strongest cases.

10 bids that made the cut:


United for Macarthur (Campbelltown)
South-Western Sydney FC
Southern Expansion (Sutherland, St George and Wollongong)
Wollongong Wolves
Team 11 (Dandenong)
Western Melbourne (Geelong)
South Melbourne
Western Pride (Ipswich)
Canberra & Capital Region
Brisbane City

[Couscous]

Couscous, would you consider buying in? i'm certainly interested.

I paid the $200 to join the first A-League bid (and then donated it to Capital Football's junior development when it dissolved).

I'll probably buy in even though I'm a Jets fan. But I won't switch teams. Supporting a team takes time; loyalties grow slowly. I know this because I watched my internal struggle over years as Zadkovich lures my love away from Matthew Kemp.

[Couscous]

10 bids that made the cut:

I thought only eight made the cut?

[MFKS]

Yet 3 bids (4 if you count Wollongong) from "South" Sydney and 3 from Melbourne made the cut. Very disappointing for the Tasmanians as I thought that was one of the strongest cases.

10 bids that made the cut:


United for Macarthur (Campbelltown)
South-Western Sydney FC
Southern Expansion (Sutherland, St George and Wollongong)
Wollongong Wolves
Team 11 (Dandenong)
Western Melbourne (Geelong)
South Melbourne
Western Pride (Ipswich)
Canberra & Capital Region
Brisbane City


Strongest case??

This just all smoke and mirrors charade for the masses

Sydney
Melbourne

1 of each

It already decided

This is just BS stringing it out to look legit

[evolution]

Strongest case??

This just all smoke and mirrors charade for the masses

Sydney
Melbourne

1 of each

It already decided

This is just BS stringing it out to look legit

Oh I don't disagree with this at all, nailed on to be Southern Expansion and either Team 11 or Western Melbourne bid.

[Bremsstrahlung]

That’s where my money is too.

Southern expansion makes sense to FFA cause it covers Wollongong, st George and Sutherland and they’ll see it as a 3 for 1.

And yeh, Melbourne is the safe bet. Where’s Melbourne Victory’s net spread? East??

I’d like to see Canberra given a shot.
Don’t know if anybody else would cope.

Will be interesting to see if they offer any justification?

[MFKS]

Problem lies with the costs to be involved in the comp

If the FFA lowers the salary cap minimum spend so clubs can spend 1.5 million if they want

It brings many more if these options into the equation

If people want pro rel system we can have it

First thing we need to do is cut players wages accordingly

No way in the world should the Gypos be required to spend 3.25 million or there abouts on their incomes

Let the Smurfs and Victree spend the max

But drop the minimum down to an appropriate level and we can have 20 clubs over night

[The Camel]

Problem lies with the costs to be involved in the comp

If the FFA lowers the salary cap minimum spend so clubs can spend 1.5 million if they want

It brings many more if these options into the equation

If people want pro rel system we can have it

First thing we need to do is cut players wages accordingly

No way in the world should the Gypos be required to spend 3.25 million or there abouts on their incomes

Let the Smurfs and Victree spend the max

But drop the minimum down to an appropriate level and we can have 20 clubs over night

Will never happen. Everyone blames the FFA but the PFA were the ones who invented and got the salary floor and minimum wages for undeserving players, if the FFA tried to implement anything if what you suggest the players would strike under instruction from the PFA

[MFKS]

Will never happen. Everyone blames the FFA but the PFA were the ones who invented and got the salary floor and minimum wages for undeserving players, if the FFA tried to implement anything if what you suggest the players would strike under instruction from the PFA

See the thing is it is though the problem the PFA and FFA are too intertwined

The thing is once the HAL is seperated from the FFA and the clubs run it

The clubs can set the negotiations with the PFA what they see fit and the PFA are going to have to wear it

[380]

Southern Expansion is the biggest toss of a proposal on every front with the exception of 1 and i put a caveat on that single point also and that is finances if the so called Chinese money is real and not just a load of BS.

You will not and never will see people from the Wollongong region support nothing other than a stand alone Wolves outfit, particularly after being overlooked for some hillbilly hybrid. Anybody who has worked or lived in the Shire or Kogarah region will tell you from a competitive sports perspective there is no love lost there.

This Southern rubbish is just another example of why Gallop's legacy in our game will be one of cock up after cock up.

And another team in Melbourne will do nothing other than shift sand.

Wolves and Canberra for me.

[The Camel]

See the thing is it is though the problem the PFA and FFA are too intertwined

The thing is once the HAL is seperated from the FFA and the clubs run it

The clubs can set the negotiations with the PFA what they see fit and the PFA are going to have to wear it

I don't want the FFA running the league but I sure as **** don't want the clubs running it. Remember the NSL when the clubs ran it? Self interest at its best. Youd never ever see promotion relegation if the clubs ran it. Need a professional independent board running the league

[plague]

See the thing is it is though the problem the PFA and FFA are too intertwined

The thing is once the HAL is seperated from the FFA and the clubs run it

The clubs can set the negotiations with the PFA what they see fit and the PFA are going to have to wear it

This.

Nothing better that 2 self interested parties dictating how another party spends their cash in the name of preventing self interest.

Madness.

[plague]

Need a professional independent board running the league

Let us know if you see one lying round somewhere.

[MFKS]

I don't want the FFA running the league but I sure as **** don't want the clubs running it. Remember the NSL when the clubs ran it? Self interest at its best. Youd never ever see promotion relegation if the clubs ran it. Need a professional independent board running the league

Sort of like how the clubs run the EPL and still have promotion relegation??

[Macca]

Sort of like how the clubs run the EPL and still have promotion relegation??

Not the same. They already had relegation for ages before the PL stepped away from the FA, there's no way they could have gotten away with removing it.

Not very likely to see clubs here raise their hand and say its a good idea to introduce it.

[StannyCFCJET]

Not the same. They already had relegation for ages before the PL stepped away from the FA, there's no way they could have gotten away with removing it.

Not very likely to see clubs here raise their hand and say its a good idea to introduce it.

We would not exist IMO if relegation was in from the start

[MFKS]

Not the same. They already had relegation for ages before the PL stepped away from the FA, there's no way they could have gotten away with removing it.

Not very likely to see clubs here raise their hand and say its a good idea to introduce it.

Not like the FFA have any plans on giving it to us either

I think you will find the cclubs will be for it

The bigger clubs it is in their interests to bring it in

It is also going to be a benefit for all clubs as it will keep fixtures interesting at thge end of the season

[MFKS]

This.

Nothing better that 2 self interested parties dictating how another party spends their cash in the name of preventing self interest.

Madness.

Yes and no ****er questions it either??

Why exactly are the FFA negotiating with the PFA on how much of a cut the players are getting and then telling rhge clubs what the freight is going to be??

Farce really

[orily]

Australian football it's something amazing and dynamics.
Just look at these match results :thumbsup: (https://777score.com)

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-a-league-bid-in-talks-to-partner-with-champions-league-club-20180801-p4zutb.html

bit more on canberra

[traffic light]

We would not exist IMO if relegation was in from the start

Rubbish. We would be back up by now.

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-a-league-bid-sign-veteran-coach-ron-smith-20180809-p4zwf7.html

ACT bid announce Ron Smith as head of football. They've also gone past 5,000 foundation members - but it's a free membership at this stage, so it's not really a commitment in my mind.

[belchardo]

bid day...

canberra gets some government cash: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-a-league-bid-secure-millions-in-government-funding-20180830-p500po.html
canberra learning from AFC wimbeldon: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-bid-to-follow-inspirational-blueprint-of-afc-wimbledon-20180830-p500pt.html

key aspects of Canberra's will be:


- A lucrative funding deal with the government and significant support from the Canberra business community.
- A "50 plus one" ownership model which will see members retain overall control of operations. They already have 7000 members.
- AFC Wimbledon, the most successful fan-owned club in the United Kingdom, chief operating officer Joe Palmer has joined Canberra's advisory board.
- Famed youth coach and former Socceroos interim boss Ron Smith has signed as the club's head of football.
- An existing stadium that has no other content for summer. Most bids do not have a stadium.

i'm quite excited by this and getting quite hopeful of them succeeding. i await the inevitable crushing feeling of devastation and disappointment when FFA announce expansion teams in sydney and melbourne.

[MonkeyKplunk]

Canberra would be a more exciting prospect, but the dollar signs for FFA in Sydney/Melbourne teams will be too hard to pass up.

Meanwhile, Southern Expansion seems to have thankfully died in the arse, and Wolves dropped off the radar :(

[evolution]

Meanwhile, Southern Expansion seems to have thankfully died in the arse, and Wolves dropped off the radar :(

The merging of the SW Sydney and Macarthur bids thankfully looked to have killed the abomination that was Southern Expansion. Disappointing about Wolves though but can only see one team from NSW getting in this time.

Would love to see Canberra get up but I think it'll be the Team 11 Dandenong bid that gets in with SW Sydney/Macarthur. Really those two and then Wolves & Canberra a year or two after would be ideal.

[MFKS]

Hope they let South in

Better to have a real club in there than another souless plastic franchise

Also be good if the no ethnics thing was banished and we can all start the reconciliation

[boz-monaut]

I actually agree with MFKP here

I'd prefer to see South Melbourne and Canberra in

I expect neither to get the nod though

[Jetmaster]

Southern Expansion died with Les...RIP

[Premy]

I actually agree with MFKP here

I'd prefer to see South Melbourne and Canberra in

I expect neither to get the nod though

My only issue with South Melbourne is that there is no geographical difference between them Victory and City.

[Couscous]

Canberra's a pretty white place, so I'm unsure you can support a Canberra bid while opposing the national identity policy.

[MFKS]

My only issue with South Melbourne is that there is no geographical difference between them Victory and City.

They should have been admitted when Heart got put in

Hearts bid was that piss poor it fell over after a couple of years and if it wasnt for the City group bailing thgem out they would have went tits up

South have there own support which they can immeadiately add to the League

Where the hell are the rest of these New Dawn blow in Franchises from Melbourne getting support??
Only stealing it from Heart or Victree anyway

[Premy]

They should have been admitted when Heart got put in

Hearts bid was that piss poor it fell over after a couple of years and if it wasnt for the City group bailing thgem out they would have went tits up

South have there own support which they can immeadiately add to the League

Where the hell are the rest of these New Dawn blow in Franchises from Melbourne getting support??
Only stealing it from Heart or Victree anyway

Thanks for your reverting thoughts, however nothing of what you said alleviates my concern about South Melbourne having no geographical difference between Victory and City.

[Premy]

Brisbane City have pulled out of the bidding process.

1 down.

[Premy]

After reading the Brisbane City press release and what they mention about consultation with FFA I think the Ipswich bid maybe a real chance.

[MFKS]

After reading the Brisbane City press release and what they mention about consultation with FFA I think the Ipswich bid maybe a real chance.

I think it might have a lot to do with potentyial bidders realising they have little chance of getting up and withdrawing rather than continuing to waste time or money

If we had a competent FFA they woulld identify an area then ask for bids from that area. Not the current free for all

[380]

I think it might have a lot to do with potentyial bidders realising they have little chance of getting up and withdrawing rather than continuing to waste time or money

If we had a competent FFA they woulld identify an area then ask for bids from that area. Not the current free for all

Yep that final sentence of yours sums up everything that is wrong with this whole process. Yep can just see all two dozen of those Campbelltown supporters turning up when they have back to back victories.

[belchardo]

After reading the Brisbane City press release and what they mention about consultation with FFA I think the Ipswich bid maybe a real chance.

i wouldn't be overly surprised if this happened. growth area, another derby, summer time difference due to daylight savings.

[Jeterpool]

Also.get into the area before League does.

[plague]

is there a Geelong based entry in all this?

[Premy]

is there a Geelong based entry in all this?

Western Melbourne were the old Geelong bid.

[belchardo]

The eight bidders are:




South West Sydney Macarthur (Sydney)
Southern Expansion (Sydney region)
Wollongong Wolves
Team 11 (Melbourne)
South Melbourne FC
Western Melbourne Group
Ipswich Pride FC
Canberra & Capital Region


https://www.a-league.com.au/news/ffa-receives-eight-final-bids-hyundai-a-league-expansion

[belchardo]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/the-nine-aleague-expansion-bids-ranked/news-story/412a33cab40493a8e5c91848a6054e1f

fox sports have their say. amazingly, macarthur and team 11 are their "frontrunners".

on canberra: "Intending to cover not just Canberra and the wider ‘capital region’ but parts of southern and inland NSW too. Appears to have ticked most of the boxes, but the desire for more big-market teams from FFA and Fox will be too strong."

[belchardo]

sbs (reprint of an APP article): https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/a-league-expansion-battle-heats-up-in-melbourne


Guided by a long-flagged intent to "fish where the fishes are", FFA must hand Victoria a third club in the next round of expansion.

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-the-only-ready-now-a-league-bid-20180831-p500z0.html

canberra bid piece

[Premy]

The eight bidders are:




South West Sydney Macarthur (Sydney)
Southern Expansion (Sydney region)
Wollongong Wolves
Team 11 (Melbourne)
South Melbourne FC
Western Melbourne Group
Ipswich Pride FC
Canberra & Capital Region


https://www.a-league.com.au/news/ffa-receives-eight-final-bids-hyundai-a-league-expansion

•Northern Fury
•Brisbane City
•Gold Coast United
•Tasmania
•Adelaide
•Fremantle

There is your second division, make it happen.

[pessimist]

To many necktards for a 2nd qld soccer team. Gold coast party too hard to hold sporting teams. nrl even struggling there

[westjet]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/ffa-board-to-discuss-scrapping-a-league-expansion-20181005-p5081u.html

How do they keep finding people willing to submit new bids when they continually crap on them with this kind of stuff?

[MFKS]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/ffa-board-to-discuss-scrapping-a-league-expansion-20181005-p5081u.html

How do they keep finding people willing to submit new bids when they continually crap on them with this kind of stuff?

The idiots who are putting up the bid money can whinge all they like but they are the idiots for putting cash up when Lowy and his FFA had the vultures circling with the FIFA reform of the FFA congress

That things have gone the way they have isnt that great of a surprise


Being that there is new management about to ride into town then everything is up in the air

So they cant exactly whinge about it

Me I am more than happy for a delay in the announcement

Shouldnt matter if it pushed back to January or February

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/act-government-commit-to-canberra-a-league-bid-despite-delay-concerns-20181015-p509oc.html

O'Rourke to make a recommendation to the board today, but looks like they'll do nothing until the new board is in. expansion delayed by a year.


"Two teams in itself would do a lot for the league. But there's geographies of Australia that are not connected yet to the A-League and the teams that we would propose to put forward would enable that connection of that geography and those parts of the community."

thought this was an interesting quote, particularly now that A-league teams have been "looped in" on the discussions, although the Canberra Times reading of it is far more narrow than my reading.

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-expansion-decision-deferred-but-canberra-among-favourites-20181016-p50a03.html

expansion decision delayed until after the new board is elected.

[Couscous]

expansion decision delayed until after the new board is elected.

The Crimes also says the Canberra bid is now the favourite, but (a) it's a Canberra newspaper and (b) it's unclear whether it's simply asserting that or whether it's from an FFA source.


Canberra is the only ready-to-go bid, with a stadium deal, government support, a commitment from members and links to overseas clubs already in place.

But it kinda makes sense. The other A-League clubs wouldn't be threatened by a Canberra team, as opposed to a new Sydney or Melbourne team.

[belchardo]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/17/ffa-narrows-a-league-expansion-field-to-six-applicants

hmm, interesting story in the guardian.

The cynic in me reads
“We need to continue our consultation with those bid teams to ensure that they adequately address these areas to ensure their future sustainability, which includes securing stadia, catchment area and financial capital,” Gallop said. as a holding statement to give the teams from Melbourne and Sydney more time to get their stuff sorted. Canberra have the stadium sorted, the catchment area sorted and have a $1.2m per year guarantee from the government.

Ipswich and Wollongong are out.

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-s-a-league-bid-on-five-team-short-list-for-expansion-20181017-p50a4l.html

similar article from the Canberra Times, claiming canberra were one of the top three bids.

[Charlie Chan]

South West Sydney Macarthur and Canberra will be the 2

[boz-monaut]

South Melbourne and Canberra are my preference - both could be ready to go with minimal fuss

glad to see Wollongong out - **** that place

[plague]

The cynic in me reads as a holding statement to give the teams from Melbourne and Sydney more time to get their stuff sorted. Canberra have the stadium sorted, the catchment area sorted and have a $1.2m per year guarantee from the government.


Clubs are losing cash hand over fist.
They should have always been marketed to fat rich bastards as a convenient play thing, not this crap about 'community investment' and 'growing the game'.
That stuff will come with results, as will hopefully a better bottom line.

get the wankers interested in boosting their ego and prepare them to lose a bunch of cash or you end up with tin pot operations like the Gypos.

Does Canberra have anyone with their own money down there or is it all govt slushfunds?

[380]

South Melbourne and Canberra are my preference - both could be ready to go with minimal fuss

glad to see Wollongong out - **** that place

Seriously ?. The only reason the Wolves have been wiped is to accommodate this ridiculous Southern Expansion. This has and will always be Gallops preference and you can put your house on it.

Make no mistake all these other hopefuls have been vying for one spot not two.

[MFKS]

South Melbourne and Canberra are my preference - both could be ready to go with minimal fuss

glad to see Wollongong out - **** that place

**** the Harp as well

Shit pub

[MFKS]

Clubs are losing cash hand over fist.
They should have always been marketed to fat rich bastards as a convenient play thing, not this crap about 'community investment' and 'growing the game'.
That stuff will come with results, as will hopefully a better bottom line.

get the wankers interested in boosting their ego and prepare them to lose a bunch of cash or you end up with tin pot operations like the Gypos.

Does Canberra have anyone with their own money down there or is it all govt slushfunds?

Clubs are only losing cash hand over fist thanks to the FFA and PFA

They have driven wages and costs up and.all they have done is removed investors or clubs from getting involved as they have priced them out of the game

Look at the way they run Con out of the game

They basically priced him out


The other thing is by keeping the costs high they have also kept the ethnic clubs out by pricing them out of the comp
I would also suggest this was also vindictive revenge

Lowys Franchise model might have worked for shopping centres but it has been a ****ing disaster for football in Oz

[pv4]

**** the Harp as well

Shit pub

I love your sarcastic posts

[pv4]

South West Sydney Macarthur and Canberra will be the 2

Macarthur and west melbourne i reckon

[MFKS]

I love your sarcastic posts

Sarcasm??

If you had of fronted that day you would know that we arent being sarcastic

Those who went were deeply dissappointed with your suggestion of the Harp

[Premy]

So this current mob won't decide on who will be the next in but they are happy to say who won't be in.

They wonder why people think they are incompetent.

[plague]

Clubs are only losing cash hand over fist thanks to the FFA and PFA


yes, this was my point.

its no surprise that once the right FRC's got involved in our game they finally had the guts to challenge Gallop and Silver Spoon Boy to a dick waving contest (which they won).

Sage deserves a lot of the credit, he was loud from the start and openly flouted the rules just to showcase how stupid the idea of 'fairness' is.

Now they have the power, they will handle the money. no one cares about a 'fair' comp, just 'the best' comp.

[MFKS]

yes, this was my point.

its no surprise that once the right FRC's got involved in our game they finally had the guts to challenge Gallop and Silver Spoon Boy to a dick waving contest (which they won).

Sage deserves a lot of the credit, he was loud from the start and openly flouted the rules just to showcase how stupid the idea of 'fairness' is.

Now they have the power, they will handle the money. no one cares about a 'fair' comp, just 'the best' comp.

I wouldnt say we had a fair comp any more anyway

Since season 1 the comp has been constantly watered down from an even salary capped league to one that actually favours the Sydney and Melbourne teams over the other 6 thanks to all the changes the FFA have pushed through to help Blue Aids FC

It actually works against us Gypos and Nix the most

We at least have Griff to help balance the ledger

Thise ****s dont

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/excited-about-canberra-s-a-league-bid-if-not-you-should-be-20181016-p50a0i.html

opinion piece from a Times reporter. makes some good points.

[bigdan]

Gotta be South East Melbourne and Canberra. **** South Melbourne, and in particular **** SMFCMike.

[MFKS]

Gotta be South East Melbourne and Canberra. **** South Melbourne, and in particular **** SMFCMike.

Why??

So you think that this artificial war that Lowy started with his bigoted stance on ethnicity that has divided the game in two should be continued just because he had scores to settle from the 1980s??

Reality is the bloke Lowy was wrong wrong wrong about ethnicity and football

Kicking the wogs out as he done has not done anything to appeal to main stream Australia as the propoganda claimns

All it has done is marginalised and splintered footballs support to fight amongst one another

Anyone who now feels comfortable coming to football in oz because Croats or Italians or Greeks have been kicked out is nothing but a racist bigot anyway

If anything the most important decision this new FFA board is to make is to see that a real football club like South are admitted ASAP and not to avoid choosing them over some make believe proposition

[plague]

Reality is the bloke Lowy was wrong wrong wrong about ethnicity and football


nah.
the idea behind the A-League was solid.
it needed to be new and different.


but.

Frank Lowys departure and the re-admission of the legacy clubs should have been done way sooner. it was always the obvious move.
by bringing them back in later, they are playing from behind, so will need to open themselves up to also be more inclusive in order to pay the bills.



if they were in from the start of the A-League it wouldnt have worked. it just would have been NSL v.349

South Melbourne (and probably Marconi eventually) should be layups to return. hope they get the spot.

[Negative Police]

Why??

So you think that this artificial war that Lowy started with his bigoted stance on ethnicity that has divided the game in two should be continued just because he had scores to settle from the 1980s??

Reality is the bloke Lowy was wrong wrong wrong about ethnicity and football

Kicking the wogs out as he done has not done anything to appeal to main stream Australia as the propoganda claimns

All it has done is marginalised and splintered footballs support to fight amongst one another

Anyone who now feels comfortable coming to football in oz because Croats or Italians or Greeks have been kicked out is nothing but a racist bigot anyway

If anything the most important decision this new FFA board is to make is to see that a real football club like South are admitted ASAP and not to avoid choosing them over some make believe proposition

Listen to this far left outraged moron.

The game was sinking into an ethnic sewer. Yeah it was competitive but limited to growth. There was no chance of growing he game without mainstream population having some sort of belonging. Those that did soon left and went to AFL/League.

What Lowy did was include 80% more of Australia and was a master stroke. Your superior race can still compete.

I'd bet you were at one of these fully sick clubs and are butt hurt. Think you need a bigger plug and a tissue. :rof::rof:

[belchardo]

Listen to this far left outraged moron.

:rof:

[Couscous]

**** South Melbourne, and in particular **** SMFCMike.

So you support #FranksCartel TOURNAMENT, no? Surely your anger at me shows you fear #SMFC and we belong at the top of Australian football, no?

[The Dunster]

Listen to this far left outraged moron.

The game was sinking into an ethnic sewer. Yeah it was competitive but limited to growth. There was no chance of growing he game without mainstream population having some sort of belonging. Those that did soon left and went to AFL/League.

What Lowy did was include 80% more of Australia and was a master stroke. Your superior race can still compete.

I'd bet you were at one of these fully sick clubs and are butt hurt. Think you need a bigger plug and a tissue. :rof::rof:

The A-League is a massive failure as far as producing elite players though. Compare how many of our lads were playing 1st team football in the best leagues around the world back in the NSL days to the current situation.

Players now make too much coin playing in the A-League to ever want to venture overseas and try to make it at the highest level. At best they go overseas to sit on the bench or play for some unknown Euro club - then return demanding top dollar at an A-league Club.

Don't drink the Lowy Family Kool Aid either - With pretty much complete control of the game in this country things have not improved as far as the Socceroos are concerned.

If we still had to qualify through Oceania / South America I doubt we'd have made another WC after 2006 - and only Diego Forlan and a few others being injured allowed us to qualify then as well. Full fit Uruguay would have killed us.

[The Dunster]

nah.
the idea behind the A-League was solid.
it needed to be new and different.


but.

Frank Lowys departure and the re-admission of the legacy clubs should have been done way sooner. it was always the obvious move.
by bringing them back in later, they are playing from behind, so will need to open themselves up to also be more inclusive in order to pay the bills.



if they were in from the start of the A-League it wouldnt have worked. it just would have been NSL v.349

South Melbourne (and probably Marconi eventually) should be layups to return. hope they get the spot.

This.

[Premy]

The A-League is a massive failure as far as producing elite players though. Compare how many of our lads were playing 1st team football in the best leagues around the world back in the NSL days to the current situation.

Players now make too much coin playing in the A-League to ever want to venture overseas and try to make it at the highest level. At best they go overseas to sit on the bench or play for some unknown Euro club - then return demanding top dollar at an A-league Club.

Don't drink the Lowy Family Kool Aid either - With pretty much complete control of the game in this country things have not improved as far as the Socceroos are concerned.

If we still had to qualify through Oceania / South America I doubt we'd have made another WC after 2006 - and only Diego Forlan and a few others being injured allowed us to qualify then as well. Full fit Uruguay would have killed us.

You crack me up Dunstersaur.
You really need to let go of the past, 2018 really ain't that bad.

What were you doing in 2015? Watching reruns of Jaws and Mash?

[Bon]

What were you doing in 2015? Watching reruns of Jaws?

Absolutely nothing wrong with that!!! One of the classics..

[StannyCFCJET]

Absolutely nothing wrong with that!!! One of the classics..

As long as its Jaws the revenge

[Bon]

As long as its Jaws the revenge

hahaha.. I haven't seen that one, yet..
I did just download all four Jaws movies in a pack the other day, I'm assuming they get worse and worse after the first.

[The Dunster]

You crack me up Dunstersaur.
You really need to let go of the past, 2018 really ain't that bad.

What were you doing in 2015? Watching reruns of Jaws and Mash?

How many Aussies do we currently have playing in the EPL, LaLiga, Bundesliga, Serie A and so on ... Not many considering the level of investment in the game currently compared to the NSL days.

The NSL had massive problems and I'd never want to go back because somethings like the quality of grounds / facilities in the A-league are far better than they ever were back when. Recovery / Medical and so on is again much better now as well - players have a better profile... and so on .. yes I get it.

But if you think we don't have serious issues developing players for the best leagues in the world you are in denial. In that respect we have gone backwards.

2018 is shit by the way. You just don't know any better.

[StannyCFCJET]

hahaha.. I haven't seen that one, yet..
I did just download all four Jaws movies in a pack the other day, I'm assuming they get worse and worse after the first.

First two good after that, Well good luck

[Premy]

How many Aussies do we currently have playing in the EPL, LaLiga, Bundesliga, Serie A and so on ... Not many considering the level of investment in the game currently compared to the NSL days.

The NSL had massive problems and I'd never want to go back because somethings like the quality of grounds / facilities in the A-league are far better than they ever were back when. Recovery / Medical and so on is again much better now as well - players have a better profile... and so on .. yes I get it.

But if you think we don't have serious issues developing players for the best leagues in the world you are in denial. In that respect we have gone backwards.

2018 is shit by the way. You just don't know any better.
September 2018
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Abroad/2018-09.html

April 2006
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Abroad/2006-04.html

Seems pretty similar to me if anything there is probably more now.

[plague]

September 2018
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Abroad/2018-09.html

April 2006
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Abroad/2006-04.html

Seems pretty similar to me if anything there is probably more now.

Although im positive most of those are made up names and leagues, this little nugget of info made me smile.



Minniecon Tahj 13/02/1989 29 Davao Aguilas Philippines (1) PFL Striker 1/9/18 Started, SCORED (Cup)

Goal machine.
Bring him home Middleby!!!!

[MFKS]

Listen to this far left outraged moron.

The game was sinking into an ethnic sewer. Yeah it was competitive but limited to growth. There was no chance of growing he game without mainstream population having some sort of belonging. Those that did soon left and went to AFL/League.

What Lowy did was include 80% more of Australia and was a master stroke. Your superior race can still compete.

I'd bet you were at one of these fully sick clubs and are butt hurt. Think you need a bigger plug and a tissue. :rof::rof:
You start off by calling me far left

FMD


1st for everything but you are the only **** on the planet who thinks i lean to the.left

[MFKS]

nah.
the idea behind the A-League was solid.
it needed to be new and different.


but.

Frank Lowys departure and the re-admission of the legacy clubs should have been done way sooner. it was always the obvious move.
by bringing them back in later, they are playing from behind, so will need to open themselves up to also be more inclusive in order to pay the bills.



if they were in from the start of the A-League it wouldnt have worked. it just would have been NSL v.349

South Melbourne (and probably Marconi eventually) should be layups to return. hope they get the spot.

Disageee that the idea of the HAL was solid

It was flawed

The franchise model that we have was limited in its ability to work

It has over the last 13 years seen us have to get into bed with the Clive Palmers and Nayfun Tinklers of the world and now we are onto foreign.ownership

We have priced out every existing club in Oz from wanting in bar South
We have priced out possible owners

We have only suceeded in creating a monopoly for the PFA and FFA.at the expense of everything else

The system was ****ed.in 2005

Lowy aint a messiah for applying business practices that made his shopping centre empire huge to Oz football

[plague]

You start off by calling me far left

FMD


1st for everything but you are the only **** on the planet who thinks i lean to the.left

Nah, I thought everyone was of this opinion.
Classic left wing behaviour.
Just own it Member.

[The Dunster]

September 2018
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Abroad/2018-09.html

April 2006
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Abroad/2006-04.html

Seems pretty similar to me if anything there is probably more now.

Good post Premy. It doesn't seem we have as many playing in the first team in the elite leagues as in the past.

2018 We have 0 in Serie-A, 0 in La liga, 2 in Bundesliga, 1 GK in EPL, Eredivisie representation is strong though question mark over the quality of the league these days. Championship, and youth representation looks surprisingly strong as well - could evolve into something over the next few years - but it's not EPL !st team representation like we had in 2006.

2006 though we had players representing all the major competitions in Europe and many of them playing first team football and Champions league as well. That's clearly not the case anymore.

EPL and Serie-A representation was much stronger if we compare 1st team football.

[MFKS]

Nah, I thought everyone was of this opinion.
Classic left wing behaviour.
Just own it Member.

No

Wont ever be part of the loony left


Could easily pick apart the rest of his argument but his first point showed me he hasnt got a clue

[MFKS]

Good post Premy. It doesn't seem we have as many playing in the first team in the elite leagues as in the past.

2018 We have 0 in Serie-A, 0 in La liga, 2 in Bundesliga, 1 GK in EPL, Eredivisie representation is strong though question mark over the quality of the league these days. Championship, and youth representation looks surprisingly strong as well - could evolve into something over the next few years - but it's not EPL !st team representation like we had in 2006.

2006 though we had players representing all the major competitions in Europe and many of them playing first team football and Champions league as well. That's clearly not the case anymore.

EPL and Serie-A representation was much stronger if we compare 1st team football.

The current model has just actually limited opportunities to young kids as the HAL clubs dont give the yoof a go

Back in the NSL days the clubs understood the value of sending players to Europe so that is why your Vidukas and zelics and Okons were playing at 16/17 etc

HAL clubs really have not embraced this but this is more of a problem with the model

Then you throw in the cozy welfare state pay cheque system the PFA have got going on where many players show no ambition to go OS but are happy to just move club to club around the HAL

Then if 1 is lucky enough to get an OS gig then look at how many of them fail

Birraz
Taggart
Brillante
Goodwin

All get out of Oz with an opportunity to suceed in Europe

All come back and coast along at this level again

It is an absolute tragedy

All starts with the system in place

[boz-monaut]

of course, back in those days a young player could move overseas before the age of 18, which is now illegal

but carry on

[MFKS]

of course, back in those days a young player could move overseas before the age of 18, which is now illegal

but carry on

That age thing is correct in thast things have changed

But Viduka Zelic and co didnt move O/S until they had a couple of years of NSL football under their belt and would have been over the 18 age thing anyway

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-a-league-bid-partners-with-woollongong-wolves-20181109-p50eym.html

canberra has announced a bit of a partnership with the wollongong wolves, will play one game a season there. not really sure this is actually a smart move. just seems to dilute the whole "we're going for community ownership and members will have a massive say on everything" vibe they've been trying to sell.

[Jetmaster]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-a-league-bid-partners-with-woollongong-wolves-20181109-p50eym.html

canberra has announced a bit of a partnership with the wollongong wolves, will play one game a season there. not really sure this is actually a smart move. just seems to dilute the whole "we're going for community ownership and members will have a massive say on everything" vibe they've been trying to sell.

Still remember that dark day when the old Newcastle United had a home game at bloody Gosford....praise Griff for scoring and making it worthwhile.

[plague]

The new FFA peeps should just let like all of the bids in then just leave the gypos off the fixture list and see if anyone even notices.

[380]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-a-league-bid-partners-with-woollongong-wolves-20181109-p50eym.html

canberra has announced a bit of a partnership with the wollongong wolves, will play one game a season there. not really sure this is actually a smart move. just seems to dilute the whole "we're going for community ownership and members will have a massive say on everything" vibe they've been trying to sell.

When i first heard of this about 8 weeks ago i thought it was a odd move

[MFKS]

Still remember that dark day when the old Newcastle United had a home game at bloody Gosford....praise Griff for scoring and making it worthwhile.

Sure it was our home game??

Pretty sure they were Northern Spirits home games

I had a couple of Match programs from Spirit games and I never went to Nth Sydney Oval

[Jetmaster]

Sure it was our home game??

Pretty sure they were Northern Spirits home games

I had a couple of Match programs from Spirit games and I never went to Nth Sydney Oval

Different game....I know the one you mean. The one I'm thinking was the Olympic match where Griff scored after Dodd's mazy run. Not sure now if it was our home game but I was sitting in the members area.

[Negative Police]

What a mess

[380]

What a mess

Yep. Probs why this is the last sporting code Gallop will get a gig at. Everything he touches turns to shit and his legacy on the game of Football will be long remembered for clueless inaction.

[plague]

the new boss wants it.
and he wants it now.
buckle up lads.


any rich wankers out there get your chequebook out.

[Negative Police]

So which new board members are associated with the new franchises. Welcome to those new clubs through the backdoor. Congratulations.

[MFKS]

So which new board members are associated with the new franchises. Welcome to those new clubs through the backdoor. Congratulations.

I thought it was more of a reflection that we aint getting South in the comp

Old mate who is chairman got snubbed at South as a youngster and has had an axe to grind with them ever since

[Negative Police]

I thought it was more of a reflection that we aint getting South in the comp

Old mate who is chairman got snubbed at South as a youngster and has had an axe to grind with them ever since

Makes it harder but i still think South will buy their way in. 3 derby teams is the kicker. The other im not so sure but must be Victorian or Canberra or go for all 3 which would make 24 rounds.

[The Dunster]

Problem with South Melbourne is they buy players rather than develop them. Don't we have enough of that shit already.

[pv4]

Problem with South Melbourne is they buy players rather than develop them. Don't we have enough of that shit already.

I wonder what the stats are on percentage of AL players that actually went thru their own clubs youth system.

[The Dunster]

I wonder what the stats are on percentage of AL players that actually went thru their own clubs youth system.

It would be hard to work out given kids can play junior football at one club and then move to another because it lacked senior football opportunities.

Paul Trimboli for example used to play for Brighton. Brighton were fabulous developing young kids [probably still are]but couldn't offer them senior football at the higher levels.
So the bigger clubs would poach them and make out like they did all the hard work - when the truth is they merely gained a kid with all the tools.
Melb Knights / Melb Croatia were probably the main club where a kid could go right through the system to the highest level never needing to play anywhere else.

[boz-monaut]

just to interject these opinions with a few facts

the expansion teams are supposed to be announced in a week on 12 December

much as they were supposed to be announced on 31 October

[MFKS]

just to interject these opinions with a few facts

the expansion teams are supposed to be announced in a week on 12 December

much as they were supposed to be announced on 31 October

So you are saying the new board are gonna rubberstamp the farce with out doing due diligence in a weeks time??

If any of those bastardised South Eastern Northern Westie Conglomerate sides from either Melbourne or Sydney get in at the expense of ACTUAL existing football clubs like South or Wollongong then they can get ****ed as they are not exactly doing anything posityive for Oz Football but validating the farce of a football set up we have in this country where promotion to the top tier is protected by.contracts and promotion into isnt based on football merit but on brown paper bag deals in the shadows

[380]

So you are saying the new board are gonna rubberstamp the farce with out doing due diligence in a weeks time??

If any of those bastardised South Eastern Northern Westie Conglomerate sides from either Melbourne or Sydney get in at the expense of ACTUAL existing football clubs like South or Wollongong then they can get ****ed as they are not exactly doing anything posityive for Oz Football but validating the farce of a football set up we have in this country where promotion to the top tier is protected by.contracts and promotion into isnt based on football merit but on brown paper bag deals in the shadows

The whole process from the beginning has been crafted to support the Southern Expansion bid to satisfy Gallop.

Wollongong unfortunately will not get side in its own right even though to the best of my knowledge Bruce Gordon was happy to tip in for a stand alone Wollongong Wolves.

Mark my words from a membership and crowd numbers perspective all that new entity will achieve is bastardizing numbers from the two existing Sydney clubs.

[Premy]

So you are saying the new board are gonna rubberstamp the farce with out doing due diligence in a weeks time??

If any of those bastardised South Eastern Northern Westie Conglomerate sides from either Melbourne or Sydney get in at the expense of ACTUAL existing football clubs like South or Wollongong then they can get ****ed as they are not exactly doing anything posityive for Oz Football but validating the farce of a football set up we have in this country where promotion to the top tier is protected by.contracts and promotion into isnt based on football merit but on brown paper bag deals in the shadows

If you think South Melbourne are in the top 2 of the expansion bidders left you seriously are delusional.

[MFKS]

If you think South Melbourne are in the top 2 of the expansion bidders left you seriously are delusional.

South are actually number 1 of the bidders left because they actually ****ing exist


They aint some wet dream wfantasy waiting to occur

Everything about the Sydney and Melbourne bids is plastic and manufacture

Exactly where are their fans coming from??

Just going to steal them off Blue Aids Red Aids VARtree and Plastic City s seagulls

South at least have existing fans and existing history

[boz-monaut]

I think this is actually something that the honourable member and I actually agree on

South Melbourne and Canberra should be the expansion teams but I am 100% certain this will not be the case

[MFKS]

I think this is actually something that the honourable member and I actually agree on

South Melbourne and Canberra should be the expansion teams but I am 100% certain this will not be the case

We bang on in 100% agreement there

Broken clock is right twice a day etc

[Premy]

South are actually number 1 of the bidders left because they actually ****ing exist


They aint some wet dream wfantasy waiting to occur

Everything about the Sydney and Melbourne bids is plastic and manufacture

Exactly where are their fans coming from??

Just going to steal them off Blue Aids Red Aids VARtree and Plastic City s seagulls

South at least have existing fans and existing history

Yeah lets bring in a club that can't or won't pay their current players.
What could go wrong?

[MFKS]

Yeah lets bring in a club that can't or won't pay their current players.
What could go wrong?

What your claim here ??

Because I have heard the same BS trotted out by Souths detractors in the past and it was proven false

So I am all ears on this allegation

[Premy]

What your claim here ??

Because I have heard the same BS trotted out by Souths detractors in the past and it was proven false

So I am all ears on this allegation

The fact that there is truth in some of the allegations and to my knowledge not all are fully resolved especially with regards to payments to the ATO.
To me that is a cause for concern, much like any of the other clubs that have had financial issues in the past they should be open to scrutiny.


Us, CCM, GC United, NQ Fury, Brisbane, Adelaide, NZ Knights and Wellington have all had financial issues not to long ago and they were rightfully scrutinized. What makes SMFC so special to escape scrutiny? Especially on the verge of possibly handing them a license for the A-League.

[MFKS]

The fact that there is truth in some of the allegations and to my knowledge not all are fully resolved especially with regards to payments to the ATO.
To me that is a cause for concern, much like any of the other clubs that have had financial issues in the past they should be open to scrutiny.


Us, CCM, GC United, NQ Fury, Brisbane, Adelaide, NZ Knights and Wellington have all had financial issues not to long ago and they were rightfully scrutinized. What makes SMFC so special to escape scrutiny? Especially on the verge of possibly handing them a license for the A-League.

Ok so you are bringing up unsubstantiated rumours from a journo who actually works with a rival club to South Melbourne in the Victorian NPL as some what having some basis of truth??

Lol

South have responded to the allegations with a statement and then even put up the contract anullment between club and player on the Internet to refute the journos lies

The bloke in questions name is actually mud in the Victorian Football circles

So until the ATO get involved in taking some action then it is nothing but unsubstantiated BS

Being that there is a campaign going on here to get selected for the 2 spots I wouldnt be surprised if the shit flinging at South about the ATO is being done just to get at the clubs prospects and to assist rival interests


Just another attempt by bigoted fools trying to keep the ethnics out

[Premy]

Ok so you are bringing up unsubstantiated rumours from a journo who actually works with a rival club to South Melbourne in the Victorian NPL as some what having some basis of truth??

Lol

South have responded to the allegations with a statement and then even put up the contract anullment between club and player on the Internet to refute the journos lies

The bloke in questions name is actually mud in the Victorian Football circles

So until the ATO get involved in taking some action then it is nothing but unsubstantiated BS

Being that there is a campaign going on here to get selected for the 2 spots I wouldnt be surprised if the shit flinging at South about the ATO is being done just to get at the clubs prospects and to assist rival interests


Just another attempt by bigoted fools trying to keep the ethnics out

"Bigoted fools trying to keep the ethnics out"???
The Journo you bring into question has links to Pascoe Vale, yes. However it may come as a surprise to you but Pascoe Vale also has links to "ethnics".

Not to mention the infighting at board level and the knifing of Athanasakis, yeah no thanks I don't want these guys anywhere near the A-League. The reason I don't want them there has nothing to do with the clubs links to the Greek Australian community and has everything to do with the fact that there are other bidders that would be far better than this lot.

[plague]

was reading something interesting about the NFL the other day.
Clubs are required to pay all player wages up front to the league when they sign a new contract.
So when you hear of a guy getting $20/$50/$100 million dollars, the owners are required to pay that whole contract* up front, and the league dishes it back out over the life of the contract.

it might be a long long way away, but every other sport nicks ideas off this lot, its probably** the most lucrative league on earth. Would be shocked if the PFA dont go down this road eventually.
which i think is a good thing.




*the 'guaranteed' portion of it. NFL contracts are notoriously ambiguous.
**yeah look im not here to debate which league is bigger, just saying NFL is up there.

[MFKS]

"Bigoted fools trying to keep the ethnics out"???
The Journo you bring into question has links to Pascoe Vale, yes. However it may come as a surprise to you but Pascoe Vale also has links to "ethnics".

Not to mention the infighting at board level and the knifing of Athanasakis, yeah no thanks I don't want these guys anywhere near the A-League. The reason I don't want them there has nothing to do with the clubs links to the Greek Australian community and has everything to do with the fact that there are other bidders that would be far better than this lot.

Dont think the point about bigoted fools was directed at you

But the reaality is there is a large element out there who are happy to demonise ethnicity in this game in Australia


Pascoe Vale do have links to another ethinc group but I wasnt drawing on a gripe coming from them at Souths based on ethnicities I was happy to leave it as a rival in the same comp

As for your complaints about Athanasakis getting the flick
The members of their club are entitled to vote how they see fit as is their right

They at least have a democracy in the set up in their club.
Do any of the other HAL clubs have that set up??


As for your point that these other bidders would be far better feel free to offer us some reasoning why ??

Because I will point this blatant bit of reality you are ignoring

The reinstallatiom of Australias most successful club in the NSL into the top flight of Oz football will be the greatest thing the FFA have done since 2005

They will have actually started the process of reconciliation between old soccer and new football that Lowy actually fostered and grew with his divisive way of running the code

That to me is worth more than any new franchise that offeres no point of difference to the game than the existing franchises in their areas offer already

[plague]

The reinstallatiom of Australias most successful club in the NSL into the top flight of Oz football will be the greatest thing the FFA have done since 2005

That to me is worth more than any new franchise that offeres no point of difference to the game than the existing franchises in their areas offer already

if they do this right then the Member here has a fantastic point.

BUT.


its the FFA, are we sure they are gonna 'get' it?

[Couscous]

Member, do you want a Canberra A-League team? We are sensible folk here, and will run an inclusive and diverse organisation.

[MFKS]

Member, do you want a Canberra A-League team? We are sensible folk here, and will run an inclusive and diverse organisation.

Mate I dont really give a **** where the clubs come from

I actually want the protectionist racket that is the HAL to change from top to bottom

No Salary Cap
Promotion Relegation
Pathway into Top flight for all
No ethnicity demonisation
2/3/4 divisions etc

Lets actually embrace first world football principles and unite and energise the football community like we should

Reality is the closed shop set up we have in the HAL is a ****ing cancer on our game

We have reached the HAL models zenith point and surpassed it

It aint getting any better

It is time to start the game again

Fold the comp in its current formats and drain the pond and lets start again

[Premy]

As for your point that these other bidders would be far better feel free to offer us some reasoning why ??

Because I will point this blatant bit of reality you are ignoring

The reinstallatiom of Australias most successful club in the NSL into the top flight of Oz football will be the greatest thing the FFA have done since 2005

They will have actually started the process of reconciliation between old soccer and new football that Lowy actually fostered and grew with his divisive way of running the code

That to me is worth more than any new franchise that offeres no point of difference to the game than the existing franchises in their areas offer already

Canberra United.
*6000+ non financial members committed to the bid
*Gives the A-League more exposure in a region that is not currently represented on the National league level.
*A boutique stadium perfect for A-league (Lakeside is far from the standard that should be required and despite what SMFC say they don't own the venue)
*Large financial backing from both the public and private sector.

Southwest Sydney
*Overwhelming support from the local community and connected to the greater local football community.
*Boutique venue that is currently under utilized and will be upgraded in the near future.
*Based in the fastest growing region of NSW and offers a geographical difference to the already existing Sydney clubs.
*Large financial backing from both the public and private sector.

Team IX & Western Melbourne
*Admittedly I don't think they should be admitted until they have built the stadia that has been connected to their bids.

As to "reconciliation between old soccer and new football" SMFC do not represent "old soccer" they represent SMFC and a small portion of the Melbourne Greek community. What will the likes of Hiedelberg, Marconi, Melbourne Croatia, Adelaide City, Sydney Olympic, Brisbane Strikers, APIA etc gain from SMFC entering the A-League? Nothing... SMFC got left behind because of their own identity and the refusal by a large section of their club to ostracize anyone not like them. You bang on about inclusion, well SMFC made they're bed due to the lack of theirs. Here is some hard truth, you winge about City but numbers wise a poor plastic citeh crowd of 8,000 was considered a great SMFC crowd. If you want reconciliation then create a true second division and introduce pro/rel so all of old soccer is included not a tiny proportion.

You think SMFC care about the rest of old soccer?
If they did then it wouldn't have taken a bloke from North Queensland to form the AAFC.

[belchardo]

Canberra United.
*6000+ non financial members committed to the bid
*Gives the A-League more exposure in a region that is not currently represented on the National league level.
*A boutique stadium perfect for A-league (Lakeside is far from the standard that should be required and despite what SMFC say they don't own the venue)
*Large financial backing from both the public and private sector.

Southwest Sydney
*Overwhelming support from the local community and connected to the greater local football community.
*Boutique venue that is currently under utilized and will be upgraded in the near future.
*Based in the fastest growing region of NSW and offers a geographical difference to the already existing Sydney clubs.
*Large financial backing from both the public and private sector.

Team IX & Western Melbourne
*Admittedly I don't think they should be admitted until they have built the stadia that has been connected to their bids.

As to "reconciliation between old soccer and new football" SMFC do not represent "old soccer" they represent SMFC and a small portion of the Melbourne Greek community. What will the likes of Hiedelberg, Marconi, Melbourne Croatia, Adelaide City, Sydney Olympic, Brisbane Strikers, APIA etc gain from SMFC entering the A-League? Nothing... SMFC got left behind because of their own identity and the refusal by a large section of their club to ostracize anyone not like them. You bang on about inclusion, well SMFC made they're bed due to the lack of theirs. Here is some hard truth, you winge about City but numbers wise a poor plastic citeh crowd of 8,000 was considered a great SMFC crowd. If you want reconciliation then create a true second division and introduce pro/rel so all of old soccer is included not a tiny proportion.

You think SMFC care about the rest of old soccer?
If they did then it wouldn't have taken a bloke from North Queensland to form the AAFC.

good points.

i will point out that the existing canberra stadium would be horrible in summer. there is about zero shade. the shallow grade on the seating makes it not great for watching football either in my opinion. not really sure 25K seating makes it boutique either.

but if that's what i've got to go to watch football, then that's what i'll do!

[belchardo]

as an aside, the government here is keen to build a new stadium in the city.

it looks to me like they are angling to buy the existing stadium (and quite probably the rest of the AIS, cause it doesn't look like it will be around much longer), will build the new stadium and then sell the existing stadium site for medium density. theis will fund the new stadium build.

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/canberra-a-league-bid-to-build-30-million-training-facility-20181207-p50kvc.html

bit more on the canberra bid

[380]

I am all for a successful ACT bid however the real acid test is just how many of those 6000 are good for it when it comes time to put there hand in there pocket and part with some coin.

[Couscous]

I hate the bid's colours.

https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1.528%2C$multiply_1%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$wid th_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_95/t_crop_custom/w_780/t_sharpen%2Cq_auto%2Cf_auto/44c4a7adc1eccad23395359905e0c8ade167a7e4_


I am all for a successful ACT bid however the real acid test is just how many of those 6000 are good for it when it comes time to put there hand in there pocket and part with some coin.

Mate, Canberrans are loaded.

[MFKS]

Canberra United.
*6000+ non financial members committed to the bid
*Gives the A-League more exposure in a region that is not currently represented on the National league level.
*A boutique stadium perfect for A-league (Lakeside is far from the standard that should be required and despite what SMFC say they don't own the venue)
*Large financial backing from both the public and private sector.

Southwest Sydney
*Overwhelming support from the local community and connected to the greater local football community.
*Boutique venue that is currently under utilized and will be upgraded in the near future.
*Based in the fastest growing region of NSW and offers a geographical difference to the already existing Sydney clubs.
*Large financial backing from both the public and private sector.

Team IX & Western Melbourne
*Admittedly I don't think they should be admitted until they have built the stadia that has been connected to their bids.

As to "reconciliation between old soccer and new football" SMFC do not represent "old soccer" they represent SMFC and a small portion of the Melbourne Greek community. What will the likes of Hiedelberg, Marconi, Melbourne Croatia, Adelaide City, Sydney Olympic, Brisbane Strikers, APIA etc gain from SMFC entering the A-League? Nothing... SMFC got left behind because of their own identity and the refusal by a large section of their club to ostracize anyone not like them. You bang on about inclusion, well SMFC made they're bed due to the lack of theirs. Here is some hard truth, you winge about City but numbers wise a poor plastic citeh crowd of 8,000 was considered a great SMFC crowd. If you want reconciliation then create a true second division and introduce pro/rel so all of old soccer is included not a tiny proportion.

You think SMFC care about the rest of old soccer?
If they did then it wouldn't have taken a bloke from North Queensland to form the AAFC.

Your points on the two Melbourne sides are bang on

They are a figment of fantasy with no government support for these proposed stadia so how the **** they can be taken seriously defies belief

As for Canberrs I really have no gripe with them but your point about Souths stadium not being up to spec is wrong.

We need to get out of this ****ing ****ed up mindset that we need to be in 20/30k cement and plastic monstrosities and embrace real ****ing stadiums of appropriate size regardless of how they are not picture perfect

Look ar how well the Big Blue was received playing at a bursting at the seams suburban ground rather than a ****ed up monstrosity

**** I still wish we had never left Breakers Stadium all thise years ago as it is a much better viewing ground than Stade de Newy

Stadiums with a few warts and boils is exactly what we need


As for whether South made their bed??

WTF are you talking about

At no stage have they ever banned or refused to have anything to do with non Greek Australians. All are welcome and anyone who says otherwise is either full of shit or plain well lying

Sth Melbourne were left behind for no reason other than a deluded belief that ethnicity was holding football in Australia back thanks to what can only be described by racist and bigoted agendas by the governing body.trying to instill some throwback to the White Australia policy at Football in Oz with their 1 sized fits all approach to football

Ethnicity isnt our weakness it is our ****ing strength and these dumb ****s dont realise it

Agree that Pro Rel should be introduced and that teams should be able to "Earn" promotion. But that is the problem we have here now The FFA through Lowy has set the game up in such a way he has priced the ethnic clubs out of the game. Melbourne Knights looked at it and said No
South are the only one of them.that showed any ambition to join. They have continued to persist for inclusion.and were even victimised by Lowys stubborness with his decision to grant a licence to the Inferior Melbourne Heart bid in a farcial decision

It would be great if South or Apia or Adelside City or any of the old clubs couldhave win promotion back to the top flight but they cant and we are left with this farcial bidding process which is a joke.

The FFA were quick to moan at the corruption at Fifa with the WC Bid but are right now agreeing to give 2 licences out to private groups who are going to fill the FFAs coffers with cadh of a large proportion which will fund their activities and pay their wages going forward. Now there is a glaring conflict of interest right there right open for exploitation

As for your point on crowds
Do they ****ing really matter ??
6k 10k 40k It really doesnt matter

There are thousands of professional football clubs surving on crowds under 10k
Why the **** do we need to panic if a club only gets 6k or 8k ??
It dont matter

As for your thoughts on the Southern Sydney side
Your telling me they aint taking their fans off Red Aids and Blue Aids and just further watering down support in the Sydney area??

Because the reality is unlike Canberra that area isnt in need of a team. They already have 2 to ****ing choose from

[boz-monaut]

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/reid-s-dilemma-as-ffa-ponders-push-to-fast-track-four-new-a-league-teams

article discussing the possibility of including four new teams, plus there's talk of the option to include one of the others to replace Wellington

I think three new teams would be a good idea - get rid of Wellington, it's a failed experiment and the NZ market, while a noble idea, isn't bringing anything to the competition

[Jeterpool]

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/reid-s-dilemma-as-ffa-ponders-push-to-fast-track-four-new-a-league-teams

article discussing the possibility of including four new teams, plus there's talk of the option to include one of the others to replace Wellington

I think three new teams would be a good idea - get rid of Wellington, it's a failed experiment and the NZ market, while a noble idea, isn't bringing anything to the competition


I thought that would be their approach all along

[Premy]

Actually 20-30k STADIUMS are exactly what we need to get into (personal I feel we should be in something smaller but that would vary from club to club), boutique stadia purpose built for football. Lakeside is far from that, it's an athletics track for crying out loud.





I didn't mention anything about the Southern Sydney side as they shouldn't be mentioned in the expansion talk for the same reason why SMFC shouldn't be.
"Your telling me they aint taking their fans off Red Aids and Blue Aids and just further watering down support in the Sydney area??"
SMFC would do just the same to tards and citeh and they offer no geographical difference.
Southwestern Sydney on the other hand is a different scenario as that is a difference in geography and rapidly growing region.

[plague]

the only thing that bothers me about a Canberra bid is they become Gypos 2.0.
There seems to be a lot of the same buzzwords like 'community' surrounding them.
i want every team in the league to be a ruthless machine hell bent on winning at all costs. each team pushing the others to outdo them just as a general wank for a bunch of rich assholes.

In motor racing there is a general rule that if you dont qualify within x% of the winners time you dont even get a spot on the grid. you are laughed at and considered poor and worthless.
every season the FFA need to put Melbourne Victory's budget and signings on the table and tell the other clubs that they need to get within x% of their wage total or they cant join the league.
Canberra need some tech boffin or hedge fund manager to get out in front of their bid. Us other teams need some asshole to boo at in order to make them relevant.

ive been drinking.

[Couscous]

Don't worry, Plague, the Canberra bid has a whale:


Canberra have a heavyweight overseas investor - with ties to top leagues in the US and Europe - who the bid team described as a "whale" in their public document.

"The FFA wanted fish — we've brought them a whale. A heavy weight international backer with deep connections to the game; not just another billionaire backer," the document read.

[plague]

Don't worry, Plague, the Canberra bid has a whale:

I heard hes best mates with 'undisclosed transfer fee' and Santa Claus.

The only thing bigger than billionaires bank accounts are their egos.
I'd be concerned there is no name attached.

[MFKS]

I heard hes best mates with 'undisclosed transfer fee' and Santa Claus.

The only thing bigger than billionaires bank accounts are their egos.
I'd be concerned there is no name attached.

How come though the entire concept of our National Football League top flight actually requires billionaires to be the owners and not only that owners who sit by and waste millions year in year with no ROI in sight is actually allowed to be just ignored by all??

Surely the ****wits at FFA can see the folly in this as the method has a limited lifespan in our country

We have run the rich blokes like Con out of the game as their wealth wasnt deemed enough to then have to go through the Palmers and Tinklers who have come and gone doing great damage

Now we are onto the foreign owners

Only so long before they lose intetest and give up

What then ??

Least with the EPL there be someone ready to come in and pick up the pueces at a reduced cost price

Who would want in on Oz Footbvalls shit show??

[belchardo]

announcement at midday today according to ray gatt

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/ffa-board-decides-on-winning-bids-as-expansion-goes-ahead-next-season-20181213-p50lxe.html

why do these cockbags even bother going through the charade.

so you've got a club that's ready to go now (canberra), and two clubs that aren't. one club is promising to build a private stadium in three years time - what could possibly change in three years! one of the successful clubs will get another year to get ready, leaving an 11 team comp. here's a ****ing genius idea - put canberra and melbourne in now, shaft the pheonix in 2020 like you are going to do anyway and bring in the third sydney team then!

[belchardo]

proves what an idiot i am. thinking canberra might stand a chance. :slap:

[Bon]

"Macarthur-South West Sydney and Western Melbourne Group will be announced today as the two new clubs to join the A-League, but only one will be joining next season, while the other will have to wait until the 2020-21 season"

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/winning-expansion-bids-decided-report

[Jeterpool]

Everyone can now act surprised

[Jeterpool]

I really feel for Canberra. I think it would have been a good base for expansion and after being denied AGAIN I wonder how long the FFA can keep burning through parties interested in building a club there.

[belchardo]

I really feel for Canberra. I think it would have been a good base for expansion and after being denied AGAIN I wonder how long the FFA can keep burning through parties interested in building a club there.

we are what Tasmania is to the AFL.

ultimately though, they can't keep expanding in sydney and melbourne. if they want to go to 16 teams, then they will need at least 1 more in brisbaneSE Qld, 1 in canberra, 1 more in probably perth and 1 somewhere else.

but they'll put two more in sydney and two more in melbourne. cause they know best.

[evolution]

ultimately though, they can't keep expanding in sydney and melbourne. if they want to go to 16 teams, then they will need at least 1 more in brisbaneSE Qld, 1 in canberra, 1 more in probably perth and 1 somewhere else.

but they'll put two more in sydney and two more in melbourne. cause they know best.

Logically, you would think that this would be the last expansion for Sydney now that the East, West and South West are covered. Wollongong to come in eventually to cover the southern part of Sydney down (yes I know Wollongong is as much South Sydney as the Mariners are North Sydney lol). But it is the FFA we are talking about so Cronulla and Hornsby will probably get given teams first.

Canberra has to be next - they appear to tick all the boxes except what Foxtel wanted. If Wellington go belly up they appear to be the ideal replacement, but if not when we go to 14 teams surely they are the pick.

[boz-monaut]

boycott these new teams

rip 1000 flares at every home game until we get competent people in charge of the double effay

[Frodo]

I thought someone said the A League was expanding? This is just saturation. Who will give a shit about a 3rd Sydney team?
Wasn't the whole idea to increase fan numbers? All they did was move some WSW and FC fans around and make some Melbourne fans buy a 3rd season pass.

Useless fecking hacks at the FFA at least being consistently rubbish.

[Frodo]

Also, Canberra may as well give up on ever getting a team in this league. This FFA hates on them way too hard

[StannyCFCJET]

Dont forget we now have bye rounds FFS

[plague]

Canberra just needs to get smart and submit TWO teams.
Instant derby.
Call one 'Labor" and one "Liberal'.

Funding wont be an issue.

Must I do all the heavy lifting around here people?

[Jeterpool]

Dont forget we now have bye rounds FFS

UNtil the Nix are booted out at the end of the season

[Frodo]

Canberra just needs to get smart and submit TWO teams.
Instant derby.
Call one 'Labor" and one "Liberal'.

Funding wont be an issue.

Must I do all the heavy lifting around here people?

The worst part of this comment is that fact that it is legit the only way that it will happen.

If it isn't a Derby, people won't go to the game.

[StannyCFCJET]

UNtil the Nix are booted out at the end of the season

What?? Is that happening for reals? And is it because Sydney FC lost??

[Jeterpool]

What?? Is that happening for reals? And is it because Sydney FC lost??

I'm just hypothecising

[evolution]

What?? Is that happening for reals? And is it because Sydney FC lost??

Not the end of this current season, end of the next one when their 4 year licence is up. They were given a provisional 10 year licence but only if certain metrics were met by the 4 year mark, which they are failing big time.

From the Canberra Times:


It's understood Canberra's bid team has been told to sit tight and wait for the next round, with the potential demise of the Wellington Phoenix the likely avenue for a soccer revival in the capital.

[plague]

watched a bit of the press conference.

Regardless of whether you agree with the strategy of not, the fact the boffins got up there and were honest about having more derbies and trying to get 'away' fans to the games showed they were at least trying to be honest with the public about it. in the old days there would have been some stupid corporate speak that no one believed. i give them credit for having a plan.

The dudes from the Campbelltown bid were hilarious. they couldnt get enough of the camera, and good for them they finally get their time to shine. one dude even made mention of how good the parking was at the stadium just so he could get the camera to point at him.
ive no doubt they have all already watched the replay of the presser at least 25 times with their closest family and friends and are revelling in the amount of messages they are receiving from friends saying 'hey look at you, you're on TV'.
i give them 18 months before they are fighting like cats and dogs and it all goes to shit.

oh, and they want to go after Jedinak. one dude even said "every team in the A-League would want to have him".
yanno what? i reakon i know one that doesnt.

these jamokes are gonna be the laughing stock of the league. just hope they dont take away too many of the Gypos lulz. no doubt we all have enough mocking laughter to go around.

[Negative Police]

They will poach players from your Newcastle Jets. Too easy.

[mic22]

They will poach players from your Newcastle Jets. Too easy.

...and their fist win is going to be against...
yeah, your Newcastle Jets :D

[The Dunster]

They will poach players from your Newcastle Jets. Too easy.

I seriously doubt that any Jets would want to move to Campbelltown given whats on offer here as far as an established and successful team plus the attractions of the city.
Campbelltown is too hot in summer, too cold in winter, real estate is relatively expensive, and it's basically not the type of place you'd leave an apartment with ocean views in Newcastle for unless forced to do so.
I can see us off loading players to them but I can't imagine anyone wanting to go there unless offered a massive pay increase.

[goaliepersempre]

*shakes head*

[Jeterpool]

I seriously doubt that any Jets would want to move to Campbelltown given whats on offer here as far as an established and successful team plus the attractions of the city.
Campbelltown is too hot in summer, too cold in winter, real estate is relatively expensive, and it's basically not the type of place you'd leave an apartment with ocean views in Newcastle for unless forced to do so.
I can see us off loading players to them but I can't imagine anyone wanting to go there unless offered a massive pay increase.

And they go on to win the ACL in their 2nd season

[boz-monaut]

can't wait for all the stabbings during western Sydney derbies

and one thing that they history or A League expansion has shown, it's that areas of recent population growth make for great teams - just ask the Gold Coast

[Couscous]

Thank you for your support of Canberra. However, I was going to stay put with the Jets anyway.

[plague]

can't wait for all the stabbings during western Sydney derbies

and one thing that they history or A League expansion has shown, it's that areas of recent population growth make for great teams - just ask the Gold Coast

hey man when that airport gets up and running in about 2064 that part of NSW will have an economic output to rival places like Lismore, Yass and Bulli.

and you will eat your words.

[goaliepersempre]

but you see shouldnt the failed bids now continue there work and build there clubs? and come to a point where the Aleague must say hey lets take them up.

e.g Team 11 Southern Expansion with no proper team in place create a club gain entry into NPL and build the brand and support...

Its just so short term thinking and not longterm Fan base building...this might be my european based bias but i hope all teams are succesful.

But the point still remains without promotion relegation or proper penalties for coming last the league will continue to be just a cruisy affair.

[belchardo]

Canberra just needs to get smart and submit TWO teams.
Instant derby.
Call one 'Labor" and one "Liberal'.

Funding wont be an issue.

Must I do all the heavy lifting around here people?

you idiot. that would never work. there is nobody in the ACT that identifies at "Liberal"

Greens v Labor is the way to go.

or

top bun v designer stubble

[plague]

that would never work. there is nobody in the ACT that identifies at "Liberal"


no one willingly identifies as a gypo either but the dopes at double-eff-aye still gave them a team innit.

[Frodo]

Some absolute Tard on Reddit posted that the two new teams should become a Derby game as they are both from the West and are new to the league.

We should just fold this shit show now and save ourselves the embarrassment. If the only reason people will go to games is because it's a "Derby" than we have no hope of actually improving. Fold it and let players go back into the NPL where half of them belong.

[MFKS]

Some absolute Tard on Reddit posted that the two new teams should become a Derby game as they are both from the West and are new to the league.

We should just fold this shit show now and save ourselves the embarrassment. If the only reason people will go to games is because it's a "Derby" than we have no hope of actually improving. Fold it and let players go back into the NPL where half of them belong.

**** we are already letting teams be created just so some rich bloke can make some housing development deals
**** we are already refusing to let a side in as it may effect Blue Aids
**** we are already refusing to let a side in from the Nations Caputal
**** we are alrwady refusing to allow a new side in as the side near by need another year to bed down their plastic support
**** we are already refusing to let South in because apparently the 80 year odd old founders of the club are racist hooligans and there may be an ethnic riot
**** we are already refusing to allow pro rel so shit like the Mariners can be removed from the league like they deserve

This league is that ****ed lets have this Western Derby

Cant be any more ****ed and plastic than the rest of the league is becoming

[Hunter403]

Food to thought....
Promotion and relegation arrives. Jets come last (yeah, I know, it couldn't happen in the real world) and get dropped and replaced by some Sydney NPL side.
Does anyone think that this will mean the end of A league in Newy? Does anyone think a local side can win its way up? Would the Jets fold if dropped?

My only issue with promotion and relegation is that regional sides could disappear. As much as I hate the scum, I don't want them gone. Who would I hate?

[Jetmaster]

There has to be a second division for P&R. We would be like the Geordies and own it...and pop up every couple of years.

[MFKS]

Food to thought....
Promotion and relegation arrives. Jets come last (yeah, I know, it couldn't happen in the real world) and get dropped and replaced by some Sydney NPL side.
Does anyone think that this will mean the end of A league in Newy? Does anyone think a local side can win its way up? Would the Jets fold if dropped?

My only issue with promotion and relegation is that regional sides could disappear. As much as I hate the scum, I don't want them gone. Who would I hate?

Is that though a bad thing??

Any club in Australia should be entitled to play in the top flight in Oz

It should be open to all and not a close shop set up where you pay your way in and then cant be kicked out

Works in every other country on the planet

[Hunter403]

Is that though a bad thing??

Any club in Australia should be entitled to play in the top flight in Oz

It should be open to all and not a close shop set up where you pay your way in and then cant be kicked out

Works in every other country on the planet

Every other country doesn't have football as their 3rd or 4th sport

My concern is that over time we will end up with an A league made up exclusively of Sydney and Melbourne teams

Who then, Member, will you complain about with no local team?

[sorefootballer]

I won't be watching........that's me!

[Bremsstrahlung]

I’m selfish. My interest in the a league would drop significantly without a Newcastle team.
Though, working in Sydney, I’d probably get along to the odd game, but nowhere near as invested (or tortured) as I am
now.

I think a second tier serves a purpose. But I just can’t see any current a league club being able to survive in the second tier.
Australians simply don’t follow or appreciate 2nd best. It’s a great means to promote clubs. But I dare say any team relegated would cease to exist and realistically not stand a chance at promotion. While we still have overseas owners and groups bankrolling our clubs, there will be minimal interest in finding a second tier team when you could be wasting your money on a top tier team.

Players aren’t going to “drop back” to help their club gain promotion. Signing and holding players to multi year contracts won’t be viable in a second tier. End up with Vargas and Dimi playing 2nd tier? I doubt it.

The top 10 teams or however many in the top division will simply continue to rearrange the top 200 players in the country. Same shit, different clubs.

[belchardo]

I’m selfish. My interest in the a league would drop significantly without a Newcastle team.
Though, working in Sydney, I’d probably get along to the odd game, but nowhere near as invested (or tortured) as I am
now.

I think a second tier serves a purpose. But I just can’t see any current a league club being able to survive in the second tier.
Australians simply don’t follow or appreciate 2nd best. It’s a great means to promote clubs. But I dare say any team relegated would cease to exist and realistically not stand a chance at promotion. While we still have overseas owners and groups bankrolling our clubs, there will be minimal interest in finding a second tier team when you could be wasting your money on a top tier team.

Players aren’t going to “drop back” to help their club gain promotion. Signing and holding players to multi year contracts won’t be viable in a second tier. End up with Vargas and Dimi playing 2nd tier? I doubt it.

The top 10 teams or however many in the top division will simply continue to rearrange the top 200 players in the country. Same shit, different clubs.

by way of counterpoint, newcastle (in both league and football) have been performing pretty poorly for a number of season. Good players have been signed and then moved on to rival clubs. administratively, they have both been pants for some time.

and yet, they are both still in the comp, and receive some of the best support in their respective leagues. doesn't that imply a baseline level of interest that is sufficient to support the club to a reasonable extent (i accept that they have been bankrolled by large backers who have probably lost a lot of money)?

i sort of think a second tier comp would serve us well. we drop down, leave macdonald jones stadium, move to a smaller ground, get our stuff sorted out and then make a charge for the top tier again, fill the stands and look great to potential investors. the important thing would be to stay in the smaller ground once we move back up. 15,000 seat stadium would be great. then have games at MJS when we are routinely turning 5K away at the door.

a lower level would also make the potential buy in price lower for owners.

i think we would survive relegation. and wouldn't it be all that much sweeter when we win the (top flight) comp knowing what we've done to get there?

[MFKS]

I’m selfish. My interest in the a league would drop significantly without a Newcastle team.
Though, working in Sydney, I’d probably get along to the odd game, but nowhere near as invested (or tortured) as I am
now.

I think a second tier serves a purpose. But I just can’t see any current a league club being able to survive in the second tier.
Australians simply don’t follow or appreciate 2nd best. It’s a great means to promote clubs. But I dare say any team relegated would cease to exist and realistically not stand a chance at promotion. While we still have overseas owners and groups bankrolling our clubs, there will be minimal interest in finding a second tier team when you could be wasting your money on a top tier team.

Players aren’t going to “drop back” to help their club gain promotion. Signing and holding players to multi year contracts won’t be viable in a second tier. End up with Vargas and Dimi playing 2nd tier? I doubt it.

The top 10 teams or however many in the top division will simply continue to rearrange the top 200 players in the country. Same shit, different clubs.

If a current HAL club cant survive being relegated then it actually shows how fundamentally flawed the set up of the clubs are

For all the shit people like to put on the Old NSL clubs

South Melbpurne Sydney Olympic Melbourne Croatia Marconi etc

They are sill actually surviving being outside the top flight

They dont even have an avenue back either

If our crowds drop to 3/4k in a second tier .So what less plastics and we go play in an appropriate size stadium

Everyone seems to be fearful of a 2nd tier and says the costs are too high

Dont forget most of these top NPL clubs are running budgets of 400/500k a year now

[plague]

by way of counterpoint, newcastle (in both league and football) have been performing pretty poorly for a number of season. Good players have been signed and then moved on to rival clubs. administratively, they have both been pants for some time.

and yet, they are both still in the comp, and receive some of the best support in their respective leagues. doesn't that imply a baseline level of interest that is sufficient to support the club to a reasonable extent (i accept that they have been bankrolled by large backers who have probably lost a lot of money)?

i sort of think a second tier comp would serve us well. we drop down, leave macdonald jones stadium, move to a smaller ground, get our stuff sorted out and then make a charge for the top tier again, fill the stands and look great to potential investors. the important thing would be to stay in the smaller ground once we move back up. 15,000 seat stadium would be great. then have games at MJS when we are routinely turning 5K away at the door.

a lower level would also make the potential buy in price lower for owners.

i think we would survive relegation. and wouldn't it be all that much sweeter when we win the (top flight) comp knowing what we've done to get there?

this is a very good slant on pro/rel.
im gonna pin this on one of my vanity mirrors for the inevitable day when we end up there.

[Jetmaster]

If Fox want a Syd/Mel based league they can provide parachute payments to the the others as they get pushed out with unfair draws and the overall Beathness of refereeing.

[The Dunster]

by way of counterpoint, newcastle (in both league and football) have been performing pretty poorly for a number of season. Good players have been signed and then moved on to rival clubs. administratively, they have both been pants for some time.

and yet, they are both still in the comp, and receive some of the best support in their respective leagues. doesn't that imply a baseline level of interest that is sufficient to support the club to a reasonable extent (i accept that they have been bankrolled by large backers who have probably lost a lot of money)?

i sort of think a second tier comp would serve us well. we drop down, leave macdonald jones stadium, move to a smaller ground, get our stuff sorted out and then make a charge for the top tier again, fill the stands and look great to potential investors. the important thing would be to stay in the smaller ground once we move back up. 15,000 seat stadium would be great. then have games at MJS when we are routinely turning 5K away at the door.

a lower level would also make the potential buy in price lower for owners.

i think we would survive relegation. and wouldn't it be all that much sweeter when we win the (top flight) comp knowing what we've done to get there?

Nobody "INVESTS" in football - you basically toss your money into a bottomless pit with little to no chance of ever making a profit.

I think donate is a more appropriate term to use.

Your proposal here is extremely high risk with little to no chance of positive return either financially or subjectively.

I've seen it fail first hand with my old NSL club, and in other sports like league where Glebe, Newtown, and others have failed to ever recover after going down a division.

[Jetmaster]

Newcastle is one place that can come back given the shit we've been through over the last 40 years. We once got relegated from the NSL after finishing 5th.
We like being treated like dirt and coming back for more.
I still truly believe that if we had Mel/Syd type backing and consistent results we would be the second biggest club in the country after MV.

[The Dunster]

The Newcastle Rebels finished 4th and were knocked out by South Sydney in the semi finals.
South Sydney went on to win the grand final having only lost one game all season - and Newcastle were the team that beat them.
Newcastle were replaced by Annandale in the 1909 comp - and Newcastle players either went to or back to Union or joined the local league competition.

it took another 79 years before Newcastle had a team in the top tier competition.

This is why I wouldn't want to see any Newcastle side enter a 2nd tier.

[MFKS]

The Newcastle Rebels finished 4th and were knocked out by South Sydney in the semi finals.
South Sydney went on to win the grand final having only lost one game all season - and Newcastle were the team that beat them.
Newcastle were replaced by Annandale in the 1909 comp - and Newcastle players either went to or back to Union or joined the local league competition.

it took another 79 years before Newcastle had a team in the top tier competition.

This is why I wouldn't want to see any Newcastle side enter a 2nd tier.
It took Oz 32 years to get back to a WC

And how was the pain in 97 and 2001 etc and then the joy that night in November 2005??

No one is entitled to shit least of all us

Football needs to go pro rel as it is the defining quality that can set us apart from all sport in Oz

Anyone can make the top flight if you wotk hard enough

Southy West Wallsend Edgy any of them

Lets have an open model and allow innovation and ambition in Oz Football

[The Dunster]

It took Oz 32 years to get back to a WC

And how was the pain in 97 and 2001 etc and then the joy that night in November 2005??

No one is entitled to shit least of all us

Football needs to go pro rel as it is the defining quality that can set us apart from all sport in Oz

Anyone can make the top flight if you wotk hard enough

Southy West Wallsend Edgy any of them

Lets have an open model and allow innovation and ambition in Oz Football

Anarcho-capitalism is not a path I'd want to follow because for every success story you get a long list of casualties that never recover.
That's fine in some pursuits but in this case we are talking about community clubs with junior teams as well.
The risk filters all the way through a club - it just doesn't automatically stop at the senior side.
Losses won't mean going back and starting again - they probably mean game over yer finished.

We got back into a WC because had a golden generation of players and met an opponent grossly underfunded and decimated by injuries.
Since then, we have been given passage via an easier draw.
Regulation is what got us into World Cups not free markets.

[MFKS]

Anarcho-capitalism is not a path I'd want to follow because for every success story you get a long list of casualties that never recover.
That's fine in some pursuits but in this case we are talking about community clubs with junior teams as well.
The risk filters all the way through a club - it just doesn't automatically stop at the senior side.
Losses won't mean going back and starting again - they probably mean game over yer finished.

We got back into a WC because had a golden generation of players and met an opponent grossly underfunded and decimated by injuries.
Since then, we have been given passage via an easier draw.
Regulation is what got us into World Cups not free markets.

Capitalism is how football all over the planet works

Going to a capitalism model will see many great things

Wages reduced to appropriate levels
Opportunity for all
Realistic Costs

Then the market can regulate

This falsely creasted Communist league we have is broken because of its inherent structural limitations

If clubs go belly.up under a new model it no different than Con Tinkler Fury NZ Knights and every other failed cllub whether in Oz or O/S


Time to take the training wheels off our game and sink or swim