Miller - He's Out (pg 25)

[MFKS]

Bloke is a complete failure

Only one tactic

Park the bus

Time to go

**** this shit

Barely a shot at goal in 45 mins at home

**** off with this garbage cowarx football

[sh10]

Parking the bus doesn't seem to be working so well right now

[OmeletteDuFromage]

i wish him and milos the best where ever they end up.

[parksey]

put enver and lee on the bus as well

[boz-monaut]

standing a bunch of donkeys at a bus stop isn't the same as parking a bus there

[The Dunster]

The Jets simply do not have the money required to be competitive in this league.
In saying that I see a lot of players being paid far too much money for what they are currently producing on the pitch.
If we threw caution to the wind and lost by seven goals I'd be satisfied that we at least had a go,

But when we consistently sit back and let the opposition dictate the terms of the game I wonder why I even support this club.

Miller has been completely found out now and all teams now look forwards to be gifted three points whenever we play them.

[Couscous]

http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/online/2015/12/12/15/56/dcx_doc6niswx9h5wj7qvptmdz.ashx/?w=620&h=413&crop=1&hash=131F93118B2E24ABD146EAA11A62A7675301B1AC

Mehmet Durakovic just won the Malaysia Cup. Maybe Miller could find some success in that league?

[The Dunster]

http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/online/2015/12/12/15/56/dcx_doc6niswx9h5wj7qvptmdz.ashx/?w=620&h=413&crop=1&hash=131F93118B2E24ABD146EAA11A62A7675301B1AC

Mehmet Durakovic just won the Malaysia Cup. Maybe Miller could find some success in that league?

Miller can take the ****ing Jets team with him if he likes

[hawk]

Miller has been completely found out now and all teams now look forwards to be gifted three points whenever we play them.

but no other coach would get much better....the cattle are fkd

[lquiquer]

put enver and lee on the bus as well

looks like Leaky G is boarding the bus in January.....

[plague]

cattle can't be judged yet.
coaching is too rubbish to form a decent opinion.

[MFKS]

Have to give the bloke some credit

At FT he took the players over and made them applaud the crowd.

That took some balls to see him leading from the front

As he walked up the tunnel I was giving him a spraying bout us playing like cowards and finally getting our just rewards for 10 weeks of shite


He took it like a man . Even queried me on a few points gave me the thumbs up after I congratulated him on having the balls to face the fans as after a diabolical display unlike the previous Muppet

The black plastic for now is on hold but it ain't far from getting dusted off if we continue to play like cowards and not have a ****ing go particularly when at home

[Thomas477]

But hard to blame Miller when the players don't know the offside rule.

[GazFish35]

I think we need Arsenal's Fiesta

[belchardo]

But hard to blame Miller when the players don't know the offside rule.

Bloody oath. Looking straight along the line and they still can't get it right.

[lquiquer]

But hard to blame Miller when the players don't know the offside rule.

Bit hard to blame Miller when 3/4 of our players are technically so poor they wouldn't make it in league 2 in Scotland

[goaliepersempre]

I think we need Arsenal's Fiesta

plus the 7!

[Thomas477]

Bloody oath. Looking straight along the line and they still can't get it right.

Can confirm Ben Williams (ref) was at training today, so hopefully he explained it to them.

[RAM]

what a ****ing shambles (every ****ing year for the last 8 years)

[MFKS]

Bump

[plague]

Going good ay.

#playingtoourstrengths

[Scourge]

I'll still give Miller the benefit of the doubt for a while, he had nothing but time for the fans and kids before kickoff last night, and saw a few people having words with him.

I wonder if he's been given a target on points to achieve for the season rather than aiming for the finals, as he is playing the team far to defensive for my liking...

With that said, I don't really rate most of our key blokes up front, so I'm not sure where he goes to play more attacking football.

The last few games I have noticed we defend far better when we're actually putting some pressure on for a few minutes, even on the counter attacks, obviously makes sense that this would be the case, but one wonders how we'd go if miller was more willing to run with a more attacking formation.

[Superdylan]

I don't think getting rid of miller will solve anything. We have had 4 coaches since the start of 2014.

Reality is we lack a consistent finisher eg like smeltz, berisha and other clubs have more third party money etc

I'm happy to give him this season and next, then if the club is still not going forward then questions need to be asked.

Overall defensivly this season we have been impressive. Don't forget only one game we have lost by more then one goal.

[cobra23]

peaple seem to forget this is the jets,
have a look at the squad we have. reality is we are sitting alot better then what we should be.
Miller i think is the perfect choice so far. players, crowd etc love him. he is not up him self.
not even a KLOPP ETC would do much better.

[redwah]

In this league it all comes down to cash....we have none, the scum have none and the squads show it.....if we can add a goal threat and someone to create some chances we can hand the spoon to the scum.

[plague]

So can someone explain to me how Popovic did it?

Cause everyone laughed at his squad yet somehow they did OK.
So did those players miraculously get better or did the coach do it?

[rhysd]

So can someone explain to me how Popovic did it?

Cause everyone laughed at his squad yet somehow they did OK.
So did those players miraculously get better or did the coach do it?

Their fans appeared to back them.

[lquiquer]

So can someone explain to me how Popovic did it?

Cause everyone laughed at his squad yet somehow they did OK.
So did those players miraculously get better or did the coach do it?

We talk a lot but we not always right u know Plague

[lquiquer]

So can someone explain to me how Popovic did it?

Cause everyone laughed at his squad yet somehow they did OK.
So did those players miraculously get better or did the coach do it?

and don't forget he had Freakinger.......oh and on a more serious note he also had a real deal number 10 who goes by the name of Shinji

[The Camel]

So can someone explain to me how Popovic did it?

Cause everyone laughed at his squad yet somehow they did OK.
So did those players miraculously get better or did the coach do it?

For a start he had a back 4 and keeper of Covic, Elrich, Beauchamp, Topor and D'Apuzzo. 4/5 of those are socceroos.

Shinji Ono and Mooy were in midfield and are wayyyyyy better than any players we have. Even weak ankles Bridge is an experienced A League forward as was Haliti. People may have laughed at that squad but a lot of people are idiots.

[plague]

For a start he had a back 4 and keeper of Covic, Elrich, Beauchamp, Topor and D'Apuzzo. 4/5 of those are socceroos.

Oh man.
Oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man.
Wow.
Just wow.

Best post in Foz history.

Well done sir.

[leftrightout]

Oh man.
Oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man.
Wow.
Just wow.

Best post in Foz history.

Well done sir.

Who ever said you cant polish a turd... that is as polished as said turd can get!

[plague]

Who ever said you cant polish a turd... that is as polished as said turd can get!

I can see my reflection in that thing.
What a magnificent thing it is.

[MFKS]

peaple seem to forget this is the jets,
have a look at the squad we have. reality is we are sitting alot better then what we should be.
Miller i think is the perfect choice so far. players, crowd etc love him. he is not up him self.
not even a KLOPP ETC would do much better.

So when he gets a squad of players of his choice (Which is nothing but an excuse for failing anyway )you thinking we are gonna see some attacking football or we gonna still be parking the bus???

I ain't seeing it

The bloke is negative by nature and a leopard never changes its spots

[leftrightout]

So when he gets a squad of players of his choice (Which is nothing but an excuse for failing anyway )you thinking we are gonna see some attacking football or we gonna still be parking the bus???

I ain't seeing it

The bloke is negative by nature and a leopard never changes its spots

It is worth giving him the time until then... i believe at the moment he is playing the type of football we have to play to get some results.
The gypos are in the same boat, their team isn't up to scratch, they decide they will play attacking football at all costs... its costing them!

We have been a terrible team for years now, the squad we currently have is probably the weakest out of those yet Miller has made us difficult to beat. You must do that before you can win every game and play beautiful flowing football.
If he put this team out to play attacking football we would see melbourne city scores quite frequently.
Or we can be hard to break down get a few draws and get a few wins here and there (be snatched wins or from playing well) and we are better off than we have been in years.

The football isnt entertaining, im definitely on board with that. But i feel if you sat through last year and thought a quick fix was coming, you are as crazy as stubbins!

[redwah]

The bloke is negative by nature and a leopard never changes its spots

Pot calling the kettle black there!

[Bon]

It is worth giving him the time until then... i believe at the moment he is playing the type of football we have to play to get some results.
The gypos are in the same boat, their team isn't up to scratch, they decide they will play attacking football at all costs... its costing them!

We have been a terrible team for years now, the squad we currently have is probably the weakest out of those yet Miller has made us difficult to beat. You must do that before you can win every game and play beautiful flowing football.
If he put this team out to play attacking football we would see melbourne city scores quite frequently.
Or we can be hard to break down get a few draws and get a few wins here and there (be snatched wins or from playing well) and we are better off than we have been in years.

The football isnt entertaining, im definitely on board with that. But i feel if you sat through last year and thought a quick fix was coming, you are as crazy as stubbins!

This. Well said.

[Couscous]

Why doesn't the Jets become the first A-League club to appoint a female assistant coach?

I have no one in mind. But it would generate a lot of positive publicity and buzz around the club. I reckon the Herald might even do a front-page, wrap-around, cover special thingy, with a feature article written by young Bob Dillon. Or better yet - get a FEMALE journo to write it!

Just a thought.

[BodyNovo]

Pot calling the kettle black there!

in before membah saying hes the happiest he has ever been ***

[hawk]

Why doesn't the Jets become the first A-League club to appoint a female assistant coach?

I have no one in mind. But it would generate a lot of positive publicity and buzz around the club. I reckon the Herald might even do a front-page, wrap-around, cover special thingy, with a feature article written by young Bob Dillon. Or better yet - get a FEMALE journo to write it!

Just a thought.

you sound very much like that person. go back to your wife beating knights

[Thomas477]

Why doesn't the Jets become the first A-League club to appoint a female assistant coach?

I have no one in mind. But it would generate a lot of positive publicity and buzz around the club. I reckon the Herald might even do a front-page, wrap-around, cover special thingy, with a feature article written by young Bob Dillon. Or better yet - get a FEMALE journo to write it!

Just a thought.

What a stupid idea. We are trying to be successful, I presume, so let's hire someone who may or may not be a downgrade on what we currently have. **** off and take that idea to the coastlines, they might actually go for it, given they're the circus this season.

[GazFish35]

Miller has made us difficult to beat

Not difficult enough.

We're still too easy to not lose to.

[Jetmaster]

Why doesn't the Jets become the first A-League club to appoint a female assistant coach?

I have no one in mind. But it would generate a lot of positive publicity and buzz around the club. I reckon the Herald might even do a front-page, wrap-around, cover special thingy, with a feature article written by young Bob Dillon. Or better yet - get a FEMALE journo to write it!

Just a thought.

Get back onto your Christmas piss...

The main problem with this female equality ramble at the moment is that belief that women should be given roles because they are women, NOT because they are the best qualified for the role.

If you are gonna have a token woman on the staff, offer it to Tara or similar.

[MFKS]

It is worth giving him the time until then... i believe at the moment he is playing the type of football we have to play to get some results.
The gypos are in the same boat, their team isn't up to scratch, they decide they will play attacking football at all costs... its costing them!

We have been a terrible team for years now, the squad we currently have is probably the weakest out of those yet Miller has made us difficult to beat. You must do that before you can win every game and play beautiful flowing football.
If he put this team out to play attacking football we would see melbourne city scores quite frequently.
Or we can be hard to break down get a few draws and get a few wins here and there (be snatched wins or from playing well) and we are better off than we have been in years.

The football isnt entertaining, im definitely on board with that. But i feel if you sat through last year and thought a quick fix was coming, you are as crazy as stubbins!

I disagree we are playing the type of football we should be to get results


We have a technically challenged squad

We should be playing very simple route 1 stuff or playing on the counter with speed

Problem is we are doing neither


Don't misunderstand what I say by being more attacking minded as some pie in the sky ideal of these shit ****s playing some mythical joga bonito stuff

I know they can't.

Having a go, playing two up front and trying to win games rather than not lose when the opportunity arises are things that we can do that do not mean we have to lose the defensive resolve Miller has been working on


PS Yes BodyNova your right I am the happiest I have been. Only thing dragging me down is these blokes playing like cowards afraid to win games as they are more scared of losing

Quite frankly I couldn't give a **** if we lose games.We are all used to it by now.
I want to see us trying to win games. Currently we are not trying to win but are hoping to win

Represent the people of Newy properly and have a go. Locals will always respect that

***

[lquiquer]

Currently we are not trying to win but are hoping to win
***

Proven last game at home, 0-0, 15 to go and Miller takes Cato off and brings Watson on

[Couscous]

you sound very much like that person. go back to your wife beating knights

I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about, in any part of your sentence.


What a stupid idea. We are trying to be successful, I presume, so let's hire someone who may or may not be a downgrade on what we currently have.

Geez, mate, I'd only support us hiring a world-class female assistant coach. You think I'm sexist or something?

[MFKS]

Bump

Bloke just keeps on failing

[lquiquer]

We r so shit .... Why on earth did I book Perf away!!!!!.....

[Couscous]

City kept faith in JVS. Ergo, if we keep faith in Miller, we'll soon be beating teams 5-0 for fun.

[plague]

'allo boys.
whats cracking?

[MFKS]

'allo boys.
whats cracking?

Hello Plague

Merry Xmas

Pretty certain this thread is gonna be bigger than the Birraz BK thread soon

[plague]

Hello Plague

Merry Xmas

Pretty certain this thread is gonna be bigger than the Birraz BK thread soon

Yeah but at least I can see why blokes can take sides on the keepers. There is a legit argument for each.

Anyone not seeing that Miller is ineffective and cowardly is quite frankly beyond me.

And as always a very Merry Christmas to you mate.

[hawk]

Miller in, FFA CVNTS OUT

[lquiquer]

Miller in the presser said: If this if that.....we could have won that game we should have won that game......I must have been on the wrong channel ?!!!

[Couscous]

Plan B is very attractive to me.

http://api.news.com.au/content/1.0/foxsports/images/1226171560113?format=jpg

[The Dunster]

Plan B is very attractive to me.

http://api.news.com.au/content/1.0/foxsports/images/1226171560113?format=jpg

Sucking on A DEAD DOGS PENIS might be attractive to you as well Robert but not all of us share your enthusiasm about digging up the past.

[MFKS]

Plan B is very attractive to me.

http://api.news.com.au/content/1.0/foxsports/images/1226171560113?format=jpg
Bring him back??? Why???


What is the disgrace is why he actually has anything to do with the club

As far as I am concerned the EJ program should be going better now than ever before

In the last 12-18 months I reckon it has gone down hill.

Any coincidence the bloke in charge of it at this time is this bloke????

[Couscous]

Bring him back??? Why???

You honestly think he's learned nothing in the past two years?

Ange was reviled a decade ago. GVE may now be ready.

[The Dunster]

You honestly think he's learned nothing in the past two years?

Ange was reviled a decade ago. GVE may now be ready.

Ange didn't come out like GVE did in season four of the A-League and boast how he now "had the team he wanted" only to win the wooden spoon.

Hence, another shit comparison by a shit khunt like yourself Robert.

[plague]

Ange was reviled a decade ago.

Ange picked a fight with Craig Foster. Ange was ultimately proved right and has gone on to do things his way and has succeeded at every level since.

If making Craig Fister look like a fool is being 'reviled' then sign me up for some of that shit.

[380]

I can recall Egg telling all and sundry he had learnt for his second stint.

Once a woftam always a woftam.

[MFKS]

Ange picked a fight with Craig Foster. Ange was ultimately proved right and has gone on to do things his way and has succeeded at every level since.

If making Craig Fister look like a fool is being 'reviled' then sign me up for some of that shit.

Last I remembered it must be said Fister tried picking it with Ange

Bit of grade a drama with Foster being a wanker as opposed to offering constructive criticism

[MFKS]

Ange picked a fight with Craig Foster. Ange was ultimately proved right and has gone on to do things his way and has succeeded at every level since.

If making Craig Fister look like a fool is being 'reviled' then sign me up for some of that shit.

Last I remembered it must be said Fister tried picking it with Ange



Bit of grade a drama with Foster being a wanker as opposed to offering constructive criticism

Ange was ambushed

[Blackmac79]

A man Can only do with the tools he is given.

[MFKS]

A man Can only do with the tools he is given.

Yeah but a man with shit tools doesn't sign blokes on the career scrapheap like Hoffman Poljak and Labi to two year deals further worsening his options to rebuild the squad

Yes the cards he was dealt were not great but it is how you play your hand that matters.

He is playing his hand badly

[Couscous]

Well, I'm glad you've all gone back to slurping from the Scott Is Relatively Better cup. Have a merry Xmas.

[rhysd]

Yeah but a man with shit tools doesn't sign blokes on the career scrapheap like Hoffman Poljak and Labi to two year deals further worsening his options to rebuild the squad

Yes the cards he was dealt were not great but it is how you play your hand that matters.

He is playing his hand badly

Okay.

You're signed as coach to the Newcastle Jets.

You have 14 players already contracted for at least the season ahead. You have, at most, $900k to sign up to a maximum of 9 players without being able to utilise third party agreements.

Who would you have signed. Outline your formation. Your tactical strategies.

Go.

[plague]

Who would you have signed. Outline your formation. Your tactical strategies.
Go.

1. The answer to this is obvious and if you haven't worked it out yet then I can't do anything for you man.

2. I dunno, maybe 'something different'? Our team is slow. Why not put a #10 like Cooper into one of the 9 defensive mid spots the bloke seemingly plays. Kanta and Poljak aren't preventing goals and get bypassed in attack. Why continue making them your first 2 picked every week? Didn't seem to harm Jason Cullina playing a bit deeper. But yeah, why change an ineffective, losing formula huh?

3. Here's a good tactic, stop blaming your players. You train them, you select them, you set them up. You go into games in the hope of drawing. You make defensive subs when drawing or even losing. Your football is predictable boring and ineffective. Yet all you do is set up your players to fail then blame them when you do. It's cowardly and unacceptable. If there's nothing Miller can do why have a coach? I'm serious, sack him and let the players decide. It's all their fault anyway right?

But hey, you keep cheering him on. If the football you are seeing is what you want, then good for you.

I'll be back when the Jets earn my support. All good.

Hope you had a good Christmas Scott and if you would like any further info on why I can't stand your team please let me know.

Cheers,
Plague.

[Yr 8 kid]

You honestly think he's learned nothing in the past two years?

Ange was reviled a decade ago. GVE may now be ready.

http://i.imgur.com/XRcUXOU.png?1

[The Dunster]

1. The answer to this is obvious and if you haven't worked it out yet then I can't do anything for you man.

2. I dunno, maybe 'something different'? Our team is slow. Why not put a #10 like Cooper into one of the 9 defensive mid spots the bloke seemingly plays. Kanta and Poljak aren't preventing goals and get bypassed in attack. Why continue making them your first 2 picked every week? Didn't seem to harm Jason Cullina playing a bit deeper. But yeah, why change an ineffective, losing formula huh?

3. Here's a good tactic, stop blaming your players. You train them, you select them, you set them up. You go into games in the hope of drawing. You make defensive subs when drawing or even losing. Your football is predictable boring and ineffective. Yet all you do is set up your players to fail then blame them when you do. It's cowardly and unacceptable. If there's nothing Miller can do why have a coach? I'm serious, sack him and let the players decide. It's all their fault anyway right?

But hey, you keep cheering him on. If the football you are seeing is what you want, then good for you.

I'll be back when the Jets earn my support. All good.

Hope you had a good Christmas Scott and if you would like any further info on why I can't stand your team please let me know.

Cheers,
Plague.

Five star post. We jumped ship several weeks ago and life couldn't be better.

[rhysd]

1. The answer to this is obvious and if you haven't worked it out yet then I can't do anything for you man.

2. I dunno, maybe 'something different'? Our team is slow. Why not put a #10 like Cooper into one of the 9 defensive mid spots the bloke seemingly plays. Kanta and Poljak aren't preventing goals and get bypassed in attack. Why continue making them your first 2 picked every week? Didn't seem to harm Jason Cullina playing a bit deeper. But yeah, why change an ineffective, losing formula huh?

3. Here's a good tactic, stop blaming your players. You train them, you select them, you set them up. You go into games in the hope of drawing. You make defensive subs when drawing or even losing. Your football is predictable boring and ineffective. Yet all you do is set up your players to fail then blame them when you do. It's cowardly and unacceptable. If there's nothing Miller can do why have a coach? I'm serious, sack him and let the players decide. It's all their fault anyway right?

But hey, you keep cheering him on. If the football you are seeing is what you want, then good for you.

I'll be back when the Jets earn my support. All good.

Hope you had a good Christmas Scott and if you would like any further info on why I can't stand your team please let me know.

Cheers,
Plague.

Beating around the bush and numbering your 'points' doesn't mean you have answered the questions.

[plague]

Beating around the bush and numbering your 'points' doesn't mean you have answered the questions.

Using terrible cliches garnered from AM talkback radio doesn't say a whole lot for you either boss.

But hey, if you're cool with this team then cape up for your boy Miller all you want. As I said I'll be back once they are worthy of my support again.

If that never happens then so be it. I've got a great life, I'm good.

You do you though cuz, I like your optimism.

Yay Jets.

[GazFish35]

You came back pretty quick

[plague]

You came back pretty quick

you expect someone to use the term 'beat around the bush' and not get called out?

this topic is a true fascination for me. i honestly don't know why everyone is content with this situation. it makes me feel weird inside that people accept such mediocrity.
i want these Miller truthers out there giving me the skinny on why he's so good.

i don't ask for much, but am so far not satisfied with the responses.

[MFKS]

Okay.

You're signed as coach to the Newcastle Jets.

You have 14 players already contracted for at least the season ahead. You have, at most, $900k to sign up to a maximum of 9 players without being able to utilise third party agreements.

Who would you have signed. Outline your formation. Your tactical strategies.

Go.
4-4-2

Hoof it look long and quickly forward

Get rid of some players from the current squad to free up cash in the salary cap

Sign shit nobodies to one year see how you go deals

Don't spend 3-4 months searching for your foreign no 9 and 10 only to come up with two blokes who don't seem to fit into the style of play you wish to pursue

There we go

Not hard now answer Plagues question as to why a bloke who has achieved **** all is a sacred cow immune from criticism and critique of his efforts and sheep wish to excuse his mediocrity with nothing but excuses??

[Pierre Essers]

4-4-2

Hoof it look long and quickly forward

Get rid of some players from the current squad to free up cash in the salary cap

Sign shit nobodies to one year see how you go deals

Don't spend 3-4 months searching for your foreign no 9 and 10 only to come up with two blokes who don't seem to fit into the style of play you wish to pursue

There we go

Not hard now answer Plagues question as to why a bloke who has achieved **** all is a sacred cow immune from criticism and critique of his efforts and sheep wish to excuse his mediocrity with nothing but excuses??

So it's obvious you care little for the style we play Cloughy...where do you think the Jets should be from a pure results perspective if Miller is doing such a bad job?

Points and table position are reasonable given the cattle on the park, with 2 of the best cows missing for a large slice of the season...mainly through the current run.

[belchardo]

you expect someone to use the term 'beat around the bush' and not get called out?

this topic is a true fascination for me. i honestly don't know why everyone is content with this situation. it makes me feel weird inside that people accept such mediocrity.
i want these Miller truthers out there giving me the skinny on why he's so good.

i don't ask for much, but am so far not satisfied with the responses.

For me, I'm not satisfied but recognise the significant constraints that the club is under. I accept that our squad isn't particularly good, that our coach is a rookie and will make mistakes and that support from the ffa is sufficient to keep us afloat but not much more.

I'm not happy, but I'm not really sure what throwing hand grenades from will achieve.

[GazFish35]

Get rid of some players from the current squad to free up cash in the salary cap


Have they changed the rules about ditching players and their salaries still
counting for the cap?

[sammydog]

4-4-2

Hoof it look long and quickly forward

Get rid of some players from the current squad to free up cash in the salary cap

Sign shit nobodies to one year see how you go deals

Don't spend 3-4 months searching for your foreign no 9 and 10 only to come up with two blokes who don't seem to fit into the style of play you wish to pursue

There we go

Not hard now answer Plagues question as to why a bloke who has achieved **** all is a sacred cow immune from criticism and critique of his efforts and sheep wish to excuse his mediocrity with nothing but excuses??

While I agree with 4-4-2, you cant just **** off players mid season and pick up new one. Sacking people does not free up the salary cap, it just leaves us in more of a mess till the end of the season.

Do I like the way we are playing, not at all. We haven't looked dangerous in attack at all. Has Miller done a good job, thats probably not, but you can not deny that when he came in he had bugger all salary cap to play with for a big chunk of the squad. Add to that the FFA not letting us make use of marquees and other salary cap work arounds, Millers ability to actually build a full squad has been limited.

To an extent depth has been a massive issue for us as well as tactics.

[foti68]

For me, I'm not satisfied but recognise the significant constraints that the club is under. I accept that our squad isn't particularly good, that our coach is a rookie and will make mistakes and that support from the ffa is sufficient to keep us afloat but not much more.

I'm not happy, but I'm not really sure what throwing hand grenades from will achieve.

I dont get it the FFA own Brisbane and they have a solid roster with 2 Marquee players they take over us and we get the left overs they are not making the club very salable imo. I think Miller is very predictable as a coach with his tactics, I know we dont have a very good squad but he doesn't make any changes to our formation, style of play even when we are under the pump we just sit deep and its just a matter of time until we concede its very frustrating.

[sammydog]

I dont get it the FFA own Brisbane and they have a solid roster with 2 Marquee players they take over us and we get the left overs they are not making the club very salable imo. I think Miller is very predictable as a coach with his tactics, I know we dont have a very good squad but he doesn't make any changes to our formation, style of play even when we are under the pump we just sit deep and its just a matter of time until we concede its very frustrating.

The thing that shits me is that if we are getting 10,000 members with the crap dished out now, imagine if we had a solid squad playing good competitive football.

The potential for huge crowds in Newcastle is there, but the muppets at the FFA can not see it and previous owners were to inept to realise it.

It would be easier to sell a competitive club with bumper crowds than it will be to sell a club with dwindling crowds sitting at the bottom of the table.

[plague]

I think Miller is very predictable as a coach with his tactics, I know we dont have a very good squad but he doesn't make any changes to our formation, style of play even when we are under the pump we just sit deep and its just a matter of time until we concede its very frustrating.

see this here is a very good post from a very clever person.

[plague]

so how were we all when Nick Theo got the arse and GVE came in and won the comp?
we were all like 'Theo is a rubbish coach' or was it ' the squad is rubbish except Griff because Griff is great'?
because we can't be both can we?

same players, same opposition etc etc etc. one couldn't win a game, the other won the comp. how is it so?

[Couscous]

...got the arse and GVE came in and won the comp?

I like the sound of this idea.

[MFKS]

Have they changed the rules about ditching players and their salaries still
counting for the cap?

By letting Leaky G go haven't we just done what I am suggesting???

We have got rid of one of our higher paid players and now have some funds available to strengthen our side in other ways

We have a squad full of players that in all reality are surplus to requirements

A competent manager starts getting a few out the door and starts rebuilding the squad in his manner.

Millertime so far has done nothing. Put some band aids on the club with some nobodies and never wases.

It ain't even like he has signed Yoof with potential for the future either

What's the plan to fix our squad for good from him??

Why the **** is he waiting to next season to start??

He should have been addressing our salary cap **** up by getting rid of a few of his over paid players as soon as he arrived.


Also can someone please explain the sanity of him signing Poljak Labi and Hoffman to 2 year deals to come to the club??
None of these blokes were in any position to bargain with us for a favourable deal
None of these blokes are gonna be important cogs in a Chzampion side

To me that is bokers and is further ****ing us with this big salary cap issue the sheep keeping offering as an excuse for why we have such a shit side and it ain't Millertime's fault

[Mark325]

By letting Leaky G go haven't we just done what I am suggesting???

We have got rid of one of our higher paid players and now have some funds available to strengthen our side in other ways

We have a squad full of players that in all reality are surplus to requirements

A competent manager starts getting a few out the door and starts rebuilding the squad in his manner.

Millertime so far has done nothing. Put some band aids on the club with some nobodies and never wases.

It ain't even like he has signed Yoof with potential for the future either

What's the plan to fix our squad for good from him??

Why the **** is he waiting to next season to start??

He should have been addressing our salary cap **** up by getting rid of a few of his over paid players as soon as he arrived.


Also can someone please explain the sanity of him signing Poljak Labi and Hoffman to 2 year deals to come to the club??
None of these blokes were in any position to bargain with us for a favourable deal
None of these blokes are gonna be important cogs in a Chzampion side

To me that is bokers and is further ****ing us with this big salary cap issue the sheep keeping offering as an excuse for why we have such a shit side and it ain't Millertime's fault

I'm probably showing how little I know about how transfering of players works, but is it that easy to just let your players go? We lost Lee but that was due to a transfer, not just ****ing them off.

Can I ask, looking at the squad we have, before his signings who would you have gotten rid of? Cause for me, there's not many people i can actively point to as worth losing in the starting or close to starting spot. Birraz is far from, I can understand BK only cause of the amount of cash in one position but quality wise wouldn't. Not getting rid of Lee, nor Mullen or Boogs and we didn't have a guaranteed RB, say we should've signed Cowburn over Hoffman though. In the mids we only had Kanta, Enver actually looked good near the end of last season and Carney even showed promise early last season when he returned to his natural position.

I think Labi wasn't the worst signing, although I think thats where you can argue signing youth was the right option or just using pav more. I think Poljak can be good and had been for Wanderers and Hoff hasn't been the worst player but still, even with hindsight you'd look elsewhere. Also, Hoff is only on a year I believe.

I think next season, we need to start seeing more elements of his team coming together cause a few big money players are going off contract he can get rid of.

[Blackmac79]

only real complaint I have about miller is he doesn't force the players to walk the fence, particularly at away games.

[WolfMan]

only real complaint I have about miller is he doesn't force the players to walk the fence, particularly at away games.

That's because he is busy sitting on the fence tactically...

Seriously though, part of the coaching staff's job is to ingrain in them the want to do that of their own accord. Much more genuine if it is seen to come from the playing group itself rather than mum and dad forcing their kid to "say thank you to the nice man"

[hawk]

only real complaint I have about miller is he doesn't force the players to walk the fence, particularly at away games.

piss pore act. players should buys beers for away supps

[The Dunster]

so how were we all when Nick Theo got the arse and GVE came in and won the comp?
we were all like 'Theo is a rubbish coach' or was it ' the squad is rubbish except Griff because Griff is great'?
because we can't be both can we?

same players, same opposition etc etc etc. one couldn't win a game, the other won the comp. how is it so?

The squad from season two was massively enhanced by the arrival of Milton Rodriguez. Moreover, we had Rodriguez, Covney, Griffiths, Bridge, and Carle all very capable of scoring goals. We then had a very solid midfield with a very good ball distributor in disco biscuits, Tim Brown, and a solid journeyman in Kohler. then you have Jade North and Dura who combined both speed and aerial abilty in a defensive unit... and it's not hard to see why that team was so good. Then you can add players like Thommo, Elrich, Eagleton, wheelhouse, Puzz, and Steven Old to the mix and see just how shit we currently are in comparison.

The reason they were not winning is because Nick Theo was having them play with little if any respect for their opposition - which is the complete opposite to what Miller is doing now.

Okon spoke to Con, Con punted Nick Theo and Okon pretty much led the team to almost winning the comp were it not for a few unlucky breaks. GVE was fortunate in that he had a very capable team with the ability to hold the ball and transition into attack very well. Millers lot now have nowhere near the same amount of talent nor do they have a leader like Paul Okon to steer them around the pitch.

Next we go to season three and even though they won the comp it was nowhere near as exciting or impressive as season two had been for the fans. GVE lost a few key players such as Rodriguez and Carle [Song and Holland were good additions but not quite the same quality]- and were it not for the stellar seasons of North and Griffiths this team probably would have finished mid table at best. In fact I'd be confident in saying that the season two side would have beaten the season three side often and easily.

Come to season four and GVE finally has "the team he wanted" and the bloke finished dead last. Why, because he lost a key defender, several attacking players, and more importantly he lost a DM with excellent distributional skills in disco biscuits - and this pretty much ended the teams ability to play a possession style of football as they had in the past.

Miller in comparison has absolutely nothing to work with. There is no quality pack of goal scorers, the defence is adequate but has nowhere near the speed and aerial ability of what Nick Theo and GVE had, and we certainly don't have a quality number ten or indeed a ball distributing midfielder - Poljak is ****ing useless in that role, Leonardo is too fragile, and Kitto looks a season away from being up to scratch.

Miller isn't the problem here. The players are simply not good enough. That was never the case when Nick Theo was in charge - although GVE did gain a hell of a lot when Rodriguez arrived. But the big difference with Nick Theo at the helm was that you could see the potential of that season two side to kick some arse by simply playing a little less open. The Miller Jets look like they are simply holding on for 90mins and praying for luck to get them a positive result. They cannot hold the ball, passing is atrocious, and they essentially only have one goal threat and he's probably not getting the service he requires.
Where you really know there is a problem is when the team are looking at Carney to score goals ? Holy crap look at his record - the bloke is a great footballer no doubt but relying on him to score lots of goals is ridiculous.

rant over :0)

[plague]

Good post Dunster and thank you for answering some of my questions.
There were a lot of words though so I hope and pray for you and your family that you don't get accused of 'beating around the bush' (the **** does that mean anyway?).

Let's keep playing hypotheticals: do you think Miller would have won the comp with the season 2 or 3 team?

[The Dunster]

Let's keep playing hypotheticals: do you think Miller would have won the comp with the season 2 or 3 team?

Season two yes, as they had sold defence, excellent passing, and enough quality up font to score goals on a regular basis. Season Three, most likely would have finished mid table at best. - especially if Griffo and North didn't have such stellar o.

[stopper2]

The squad from season two was massively enhanced by the arrival of Milton Rodriguez. Moreover, we had Rodriguez, Covney, Griffiths, Bridge, and Carle all very capable of scoring goals. We then had a very solid midfield with a very good ball distributor in disco biscuits, Tim Brown, and a solid journeyman in Kohler. then you have Jade North and Dura who combined both speed and aerial abilty in a defensive unit... and it's not hard to see why that team was so good. Then you can add players like Thommo, Elrich, Eagleton, wheelhouse, Puzz, and Steven Old to the mix and see just how shit we currently are in comparison.

The reason they were not winning is because Nick Theo was having them play with little if any respect for their opposition - which is the complete opposite to what Miller is doing now.

Okon spoke to Con, Con punted Nick Theo and Okon pretty much led the team to almost winning the comp were it not for a few unlucky breaks. GVE was fortunate in that he had a very capable team with the ability to hold the ball and transition into attack very well. Millers lot now have nowhere near the same amount of talent nor do they have a leader like Paul Okon to steer them around the pitch.

Next we go to season three and even though they won the comp it was nowhere near as exciting or impressive as season two had been for the fans. GVE lost a few key players such as Rodriguez and Carle [Song and Holland were good additions but not quite the same quality]- and were it not for the stellar seasons of North and Griffiths this team probably would have finished mid table at best. In fact I'd be confident in saying that the season two side would have beaten the season three side often and easily.

Come to season four and GVE finally has "the team he wanted" and the bloke finished dead last. Why, because he lost a key defender, several attacking players, and more importantly he lost a DM with excellent distributional skills in disco biscuits - and this pretty much ended the teams ability to play a possession style of football as they had in the past.

Miller in comparison has absolutely nothing to work with. There is no quality pack of goal scorers, the defence is adequate but has nowhere near the speed and aerial ability of what Nick Theo and GVE had, and we certainly don't have a quality number ten or indeed a ball distributing midfielder - Poljak is ****ing useless in that role, Leonardo is too fragile, and Kitto looks a season away from being up to scratch.

Miller isn't the problem here. The players are simply not good enough. That was never the case when Nick Theo was in charge - although GVE did gain a hell of a lot when Rodriguez arrived. But the big difference with Nick Theo at the helm was that you could see the potential of that season two side to kick some arse by simply playing a little less open. The Miller Jets look like they are simply holding on for 90mins and praying for luck to get them a positive result. They cannot hold the ball, passing is atrocious, and they essentially only have one goal threat and he's probably not getting the service he requires.
Where you really know there is a problem is when the team are looking at Carney to score goals ? Holy crap look at his record - the bloke is a great footballer no doubt but relying on him to score lots of goals is ridiculous.

rant over :0)

I would say you are pretty well spot on with your assessment Dunster of both the current situation and what happened in the situation in season 2-4 Dunster

[BodyNovo]

By letting Leaky G go haven't we just done what I am suggesting???

We have got rid of one of our higher paid players and now have some funds available to strengthen our side in other ways

We have a squad full of players that in all reality are surplus to requirements

A competent manager starts getting a few out the door and starts rebuilding the squad in his manner.

Millertime so far has done nothing. Put some band aids on the club with some nobodies and never wases.

It ain't even like he has signed Yoof with potential for the future either

What's the plan to fix our squad for good from him??

Why the **** is he waiting to next season to start??

He should have been addressing our salary cap **** up by getting rid of a few of his over paid players as soon as he arrived.


Also can someone please explain the sanity of him signing Poljak Labi and Hoffman to 2 year deals to come to the club??
None of these blokes were in any position to bargain with us for a favourable deal
None of these blokes are gonna be important cogs in a Chzampion side

To me that is bokers and is further ****ing us with this big salary cap issue the sheep keeping offering as an excuse for why we have such a shit side and it ain't Millertime's fault

if you are marlow, barressi, etc. and you are on 2 year deals making 50-100k a year and with no potential suitors outside the jets why the f**k would you leave. you are never going to make that type of money in the NPL so why not hang it out and try and get into the squad. perfect example of this is sam Galloway, he got a 2 year deal for 3 half decent performances and didn't play until the last couple of months into his last year and bang he got another 2 year deal.

okay the club offer them the opportunity to leave, they just stand there ground and say no problem I just want my contract paid out in full

what does this prove, besides your key 5-10 players all the squad should be on 1 year deals. 2 year deals in the HAL are ****ing ridiculous for squad players.

Miller didn't sign these blokes to 2 year deals stubbins and the previous regime did.

[redwah]

Don't know if anyone watched espn FC last night but Shaka Hislop said something in relation to the mancs and I think it runs true with the jets. He basically said no matter how good your back 4 and goalkeeper are if you aren't scoring or creating chances then clean sheets simply can't continue. If you aren't applying pressure in attach then the opposition simply come on to you more, the midfield are further forward, our defence sit deeper and the pressure mounts until it breaks through. The lack of attacking options plays a massive part in our issues and the perceptions that Miller is negative. More options at the pointy end will help relieve the defensive pressure.

[plague]

Did anyone see the Leicester v City game this morning?
Did anyone see what happened around the 60min mark?
Did anyone see Ranieri, and his £17m squad against a £309m squad comfortably holding a 0-0 draw?
Did anyone see at the 60min mark, knowing a point would take him equal top of the EPL, Ranieri decide he didn't want a draw, so he subs on a 2nd striker and tries to win the damn game.
So while a bunch of you would have cried into your weet-bix about squad sizes and money, a coach showed some balls and went out there to win the game regardless of what others thought of his squad.

Ranieri just clowned all of you defending Miller and his cowardly tactics.
Accept it, the bloke demands way more courage from his players than he's ever willing to supply himself.

[stopper2]

Did anyone see the Leicester v City game this morning?
Did anyone see what happened around the 60min mark?
Did anyone see Ranieri, and his £17m squad against a £309m squad comfortably holding a 0-0 draw?
Did anyone see at the 60min mark, knowing a point would take him equal top of the EPL, Ranieri decide he didn't want a draw, so he subs on a 2nd striker and tries to win the damn game.
So while a bunch of you would have cried into your weet-bix about squad sizes and money, a coach showed some balls and went out there to win the game regardless of what others thought of his squad.

Ranieri just clowned all of you defending Miller and his cowardly tactics.
Accept it, the bloke demands way more courage from his players than he's ever willing to supply himself.

That last home game against Adelaide hit the nail on the head, 20 minutes to go....off comes Alivodic, on comes Watson while two young attacking players in Cooper and Pavicevic are left to warm the bench. Kanta was pushed forward but it was a overall a very "safe" sub with a half-arse attempt to go for a win but ultimately hold on for a draw.

[BodyNovo]

Did anyone see the Leicester v City game this morning?
Did anyone see what happened around the 60min mark?
Did anyone see Ranieri, and his £17m squad against a £309m squad comfortably holding a 0-0 draw?
Did anyone see at the 60min mark, knowing a point would take him equal top of the EPL, Ranieri decide he didn't want a draw, so he subs on a 2nd striker and tries to win the damn game.
So while a bunch of you would have cried into your weet-bix about squad sizes and money, a coach showed some balls and went out there to win the game regardless of what others thought of his squad.

Ranieri just clowned all of you defending Miller and his cowardly tactics.
Accept it, the bloke demands way more courage from his players than he's ever willing to supply himself.

actually ulloa come on as an attacking midfielder and they moved kante back into 6, and you can see around the 80th minute mark when only vardy was pressuring the back four so I'd go as far to say that they did play for the draw with 10 to go, but I agree they played well.

I don't agree with comparisons off the premier league to the a-league. its a free for all versus a salary capped league.

I think I mentioned it weeks ago but miller and jp can go 2 ways with the same outcome imo

play an attacking brand like the gypos, look entertaining but lose 4-2, 3-1 or set the way we are up and lose 1-0, draw 0-0 and every now and then steal one. The gypos way eventually leads to confidence being wrecked and they eventually start getting smacked.

I agree teams have worked us out and we need to change the way we play, but I think our changes need to come through personnel. the way miller sets us up is to break quickly but our front 4 average age with Leonardo is 30-32. we are not quick enough to play this way.

the wanderers played this way in there first season but they had the blokes to play this way.

[plague]

I don't agree with comparisons off the premier league to the a-league. its a free for all versus a salary capped league.

set the way we are up and lose 1-0, draw 0-0 and every now and then steal one. The gypos way eventually leads to confidence being wrecked and they eventually start getting smacked.


Correct, the EPL has a much greater discrepancy between the richest and the poorest so I'm actually flattering Miller by using Ranieri as an example.

Also, you're making some massive assumptions on confidence. You think the Jets are loving the way they are playing? You think this structure and attitude is going to win them games let alone the comp?

And there's no way Miller does what Ranieri did this morning. Not a chance. Same squad, same situation, there is no way. And that is 100% the coach, and that is my point.

Leicester prob won't win the Prem this year by their fans will be ecstatic with the experience they had.
We won't win the comp and will prob lose another big chunk of our fanbase.


The fact you seem content to nick the odd win here and there is on you, but don't lump me into any group of people happy to put up with that.

[plague]

I agree teams have worked us out and we need to change the way we play, but I think our changes need to come through personnel. the way miller sets us up is to break quickly but our front 4 average age with Leonardo is 30-32. we are not quick enough to play this way.
.

this is my point.

Regardless of the squad the way the team is playing is not working and the coach won't adapt. To me that is an indictment on the coach.
Yet there are blokes on here content to waste yet another year with the same bullshit we all got sick of GVE saying year after year.

I just don't get how people find that acceptable.

[parksey]

he's shite tbh

[The Dunster]

Miller is only here until the new owners take over. So twenty more years tops.

[hawk]

Did anyone see the Leicester v City game this morning?
Did anyone see what happened around the 60min mark?
Did anyone see Ranieri, and his £17m squad against a £309m squad comfortably holding a 0-0 draw?
Did anyone see at the 60min mark, knowing a point would take him equal top of the EPL, Ranieri decide he didn't want a draw, so he subs on a 2nd striker and tries to win the damn game.
So while a bunch of you would have cried into your weet-bix about squad sizes and money, a coach showed some balls and went out there to win the game regardless of what others thought of his squad.

Ranieri just clowned all of you defending Miller and his cowardly tactics.
Accept it, the bloke demands way more courage from his players than he's ever willing to supply himself.

Raneiri isnt focusing on defence

[plague]

Raneiri isnt focusing on defence

thats for the training ground tho innit?


10k not signing up to watch him play shirts v skins

[MFKS]

"It’s how you measure the game, ultimately. You can call it parking the bus, or you can call it defensively organised and structured.
To defend well is actually harder than to attack, because it takes intelligence and understanding of each other’s roles.
Whether you classify it as parking the bus or clever defending in the middle third, it doesn’t really affect my thought process.’’

**** Me Dead

[plague]

Hahaha, brilliant.





Oh wait, that's really Miller saying that?

[MFKS]

Hahaha, brilliant.





Oh wait, that's really Miller saying that?

Yep that's Miller being quoted.


That's actually defining how to have your team play like cowards.

FMD

Defending well is harder than attacking

Yep I suppose he is right particularly if you operate a 10 man defensive unit and invite the opponent onto you every game and refuse to push anyone forward and ask questions of the opposition from time to time.

Makes attack very hard when you stack the cards against yourself like that

[weston]

If defending is harder, than why doesn't he go for the easy approach every now and then?

[plague]

If defending is harder, than why doesn't he go for the easy approach every now and then?

I'm starting to think Miller is Captain Obvious' evil twin brother.

Come to think of it, where is the Captain these days?

[The Dunster]

We are not even considering going to todays game. I mean what is the point when you know he's going to play Milos on his own and park the bus for 90mins ?

The Jets might get lucky but the reality is they are going to give Melbourne a lot of possession in the Jets half and the Jets will be pretty much trying to hold on for 90mins.

Hopefully Melbourne Victory find form and put six unanswered goals into the back of the net. Then maybe Miller will get the wake up call he needs.

If Miller thinks the team is not good enough to play in a positive manner then he should step aside and give someone else a shot.

I still think our roster is piss weak but that's still no excuse for playing like pussies every week.

[stopper2]

We are not even considering going to todays game. I mean what is the point when you know he's going to play Milos on his own and park the bus for 90mins ?

The Jets might get lucky but the reality is they are going to give Melbourne a lot of possession in the Jets half and the Jets will be pretty much trying to hold on for 90mins.

Hopefully Melbourne Victory find form and put six unanswered goals into the back of the net. Then maybe Miller will get the wake up call he needs.

If Miller thinks the team is not good enough to play in a positive manner then he should step aside and give someone else a shot.

I still think our roster is piss weak but that's still no excuse for playing like pussies every week.

Yeah I'm hereing you, hard to get motivated to go. It's 3pm and the rain stopped about an hour ago. Takes me less then a 5 minute drive to the stadium so suppose I'll pop over and see if Miller has changed anything in the last 9 days. Tell you what if I lived out Maitland or say Toronto way, no way I would be driving all the way over to Broadmeadow to be a glutton for more punishment!

[Tommyjet]

Yeah I'm hereing you, hard to get motivated to go. It's 3pm and the rain stopped about an hour ago. Takes me less then a 5 minute drive to the stadium so suppose I'll pop over and see if Miller has changed anything in the last 9 days. Tell you what if I lived out Maitland or say Toronto way, no way I would be driving all the way over to Broadmeadow to be a glutton for more punishment!
I'm from Maitland and have made the trip in. Sucker for punishment I certainly am. I've gotten used to laughing when I'm meant to be crying otherwise no point being a jets fan.

[MFKS]

Bloke is clueless

Time to go

[Couscous]

Clockwork. Well done.

[parksey]

cya mate

[The Dunster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYEJx7PkWE

[Jeterpool]

I'm not in the "Out" camp yet but like every other fan I'm not happy. The thing that is holding me back is that Miller hasn't had the same opportunity with the squad as Stubbins had the year before.

Stubbins had far more of the cap space to use than Miller had at the beginning of the year. We haven't given him an opportunity to build the squad he wants. And we've had 4 coaches in the last 2.5 seasons and where has it got us? If we just bounce from coach to coach how can we build a squad?

What has me peeved is that we are trying the same thing an expecting different results. Alivodic, Trifunovic, Watson are all out of form. Our tactics are off but that's been debated to death. However, I will add, why are we putting in crosses to the likes of Crowley and Pavicevic? They're young and not fully developed physically so they'll get bullied against a big defender like Delipierre.

The club has lost, or is losing, all of the goodwill it built up in the off season and I blame the FFA. We are now 9 A-League matches without a win which is one away from equaling our worst periods from last year and two away from equaling our worst ever record.

Something is going to have to give soon.

[sammydog]

I agree, Miller is to some extent bound by some of the terrible decisions and squad development of Stubbins at the end of his tenure.

Big issue for me is how much we are (or aren't) being supported by our owners.

By all accounts we are using the lower end of the salary cap margins, sitting more at the minimum spend than the maximum. We aren't using any of the marquee or salary cap exemptions, again presumably to keep costs down.

The biggest failing for us at this point is again our owners. How the FFA can not see how huge the game here could be if they treated it right. To have close to 10,000 members after the basket case that was the Tinkler era should have someone at the FFA realising that if they spend a little, this could be a huge club. Shit, we even have 8,500 to turn up to see a team that hasn't won in 9 or scored in 5. the potential here is huge and if the FFA can't see that with a little forward thinking they could have a huge club that is attractive to buyers and TV ratings.

But no, they stick us in caretaker mode, let us plod along. All that will happen if we continue along this trajectory is the team will continue to struggle and crowd numbers will dwindle. With the FFA's performance of late, I can imagine them doing something completely stupid like merging the mariners and Jets and then wondering why the crowds completely run away.

[BodyNovo]

I'm being swayed here.

worst thing about yesterday was when miller said this


“From where the club was to where it is now, is a great improvement,

okay it was fine to compare to last year when we were top off the table for 18 hours, but when your results are comparable to last year now that makes no sense. Yes I probably agree with a shitter squad we are performing better but that mentality stinks saying that.

[Jeterpool]

I'm being swayed here.

worst thing about yesterday was when miller said this



okay it was fine to compare to last year when we were top off the table for 18 hours, but when your results are comparable to last year now that makes no sense. Yes I probably agree with a shitter squad we are performing better but that mentality stinks saying that.

I read that quote too and shook my head.

[The Camel]

I'm being swayed here.

worst thing about yesterday was when miller said this



okay it was fine to compare to last year when we were top off the table for 18 hours, but when your results are comparable to last year now that makes no sense. Yes I probably agree with a shitter squad we are performing better but that mentality stinks saying that.

What got my goat the most yesterday was that after going 1 nil down, we take off a striker and left 3 defensive midfielders on the pitch. FFS the game was gone, have a ****ing go, either replace Watson with Cooper or play 4-4-2 and try something different. I can accept the way we set up at the start of games playing defensively as our squad is mostly shithouse but to not have a go after falling behind is ****ing mental in my opinion.

[MFKS]

I'm not in the "Out" camp yet but like every other fan I'm not happy. The thing that is holding me back is that Miller hasn't had the same opportunity with the squad as Stubbins had the year before.

Stubbins had far more of the cap space to use than Miller had at the beginning of the year. We haven't given him an opportunity to build the squad he wants. And we've had 4 coaches in the last 2.5 seasons and where has it got us? If we just bounce from coach to coach how can we build a squad?

What has me peeved is that we are trying the same thing an expecting different results. Alivodic, Trifunovic, Watson are all out of form. Our tactics are off but that's been debated to death. However, I will add, why are we putting in crosses to the likes of Crowley and Pavicevic? They're young and not fully developed physically so they'll get bullied against a big defender like Delipierre.

The club has lost, or is losing, all of the goodwill it built up in the off season and I blame the FFA. We are now 9 A-League matches without a win which is one away from equaling our worst periods from last year and two away from equaling our worst ever record.

Something is going to have to give soon.

So what exactly is it about him that convinces you that given the time he can get it right??

So far he has been here 7 months and had the worlds longest pre season to start culling our squad and getting our tactics and play right.

Yes we have seen some improvement defensively not hard I know but our attack is now much worse than under Muppet GVE and co

His tactics are repetitive and don't change even when failing
His selections of players and treatment of certain players is just wrong.

His signings have been poor.
Milos and Leonardo have been flops

Watson Hoffman Poljak are contributing but contributing very little.

What exactly is he bringing to the table other than words??


We could have one of us coaching the side to park the bus and play 10 behind the ball and achieve similar results. It ain't ****ing hard to set a team up with 10 behind the ball making it hard for the opponent to score and in attack offer little threat and constantly cough up the ball when you have it like we do.

Any idiot who has seen 10 games of football in their lifetime can achieve this with no coaching qualifications


Exactly what the **** is he offering us because I ain't seeing it??

[Jeterpool]

So what exactly is it about him that convinces you that given the time he can get it right??

So far he has been here 7 months and had the worlds longest pre season to start culling our squad and getting our tactics and play right.

Yes we have seen some improvement defensively not hard I know but our attack is now much worse than under Muppet GVE and co

His tactics are repetitive and don't change even when failing
His selections of players and treatment of certain players is just wrong.

His signings have been poor.
Milos and Leonardo have been flops

Watson Hoffman Poljak are contributing but contributing very little.

What exactly is he bringing to the table other than words??


We could have one of us coaching the side to park the bus and play 10 behind the ball and achieve similar results. It ain't ****ing hard to set a team up with 10 behind the ball making it hard for the opponent to score and in attack offer little threat and constantly cough up the ball when you have it like we do.

Any idiot who has seen 10 games of football in their lifetime can achieve this with no coaching qualifications


Exactly what the **** is he offering us because I ain't seeing it??

As I said, Stubbins had more of a chance to re-sign or bring in players. Stubbins signed/re-signed or introduced, by my count, 22 players. Miller has signed 7. There's not been the opportunity for him to shape the squad and had a bit of cash simply to fill the team out.

That's it. That's my reason. He hasn't had the cash to go for a decent player and he is tied with the situation left by previous administrations and owners who aren't spending above the minimum cap.

I'm not agreeing with all of his decisions and I've been vocal on the podcast about the players who deserve to be dropped (Trifunovic, Alivodic and Watson). But Miller is playing his experienced players. Those players are primarily injured, slow and defensive.

[The Dunster]

As I said, Stubbins had more of a chance to re-sign or bring in players. Stubbins signed/re-signed or introduced, by my count, 22 players. Miller has signed 7. There's not been the opportunity for him to shape the squad and had a bit of cash simply to fill the team out.

That's it. That's my reason. He hasn't had the cash to go for a decent player and he is tied with the situation left by previous administrations and owners who aren't spending above the minimum cap.

I'm not agreeing with all of his decisions and I've been vocal on the podcast about the players who deserve to be dropped (Trifunovic, Alivodic and Watson). But Miller is playing his experienced players. Those players are primarily injured, slow and defensive.

It still doesn't excuse him for the treatment of Cooper. I mean there is no way Kitto is as good as Cooper and yet Kitto is getting a start and Cooper is left sitting in Limbo.

Hence, if it was about experience Kitto would not be getting a start. I think Millers as much of a headcase as the previous few gaffers we have had.

Can't believe I didn't pick it up earlier. Wishful thinking I guess.

[plague]

Ok I had a pretty good look at the game yesterday.

They don't have any composure.
They very rarely take a touch and look up - the amount of first time flicks to no one was embarrassing.
For a team that is set up defensively (a really hard thing to do apparently) with 6 people dedicated to stopping goals (coz God help they ever help score them) how the **** was the Victory #10 (Khalfallah) always open, all ****ing day?

Bloke is not quick and technically playing out of position yet not ONE of our SIX dedicated defenders pressured him at all all day.
That is either a failure of coaching or application of tactics.

If it was the player who wasn't following instructions then you do something about it.

Neither of these things happened and lo and behold guess who scored the goal.

That was an embarrassing display yesterday. Piss weak

It has been proven that this bloke cannot coach this group of players. If the club aren't committed to clearing EVERYONE out at seasons end, then they should find a coach who can bring the best out in the 'cattle' we have.

Cape up for your boy all you want but he is showing nothing to say better players will mean an instant turnaround.

Just another sad sad day for the club.

[Jeterpool]

It still doesn't excuse him for the treatment of Cooper. I mean there is no way Kitto is as good as Cooper and yet Kitto is getting a start and Cooper is left sitting in Limbo.

Hence, if it was about experience Kitto would not be getting a start. I think Millers as much of a headcase as the previous few gaffers we have had.

Can't believe I didn't pick it up earlier. Wishful thinking I guess.

I completely agree on Cooper - see my post in the Mitch Cooper thread. It's a general statement I made about Miller picking experience as a reason to try understand his reluctance to play Cooper. He had two opportunities to play Cooper and he hasn't, which I think has been the wrong decision.

[plague]

I think Millers as much of a headcase as the previous few gaffers we have had.


Yeah some of these coaches need to put down the Sir Alex biography and deal with things a bit more on their level.

[The Dunster]

The highlight on Millers resume is U21's coach at Fullham. But when you consider the EPL clubs buy talent rather than develop it you can only conclude it's a token role at best.
He can learn his trade somewhere else thanks Ange.

[MFKS]

As I said, Stubbins had more of a chance to re-sign or bring in players. Stubbins signed/re-signed or introduced, by my count, 22 players. Miller has signed 7. There's not been the opportunity for him to shape the squad and had a bit of cash simply to fill the team out.

That's it. That's my reason. He hasn't had the cash to go for a decent player and he is tied with the situation left by previous administrations and owners who aren't spending above the minimum cap.

I'm not agreeing with all of his decisions and I've been vocal on the podcast about the players who deserve to be dropped (Trifunovic, Alivodic and Watson). But Miller is playing his experienced players. Those players are primarily injured, slow and defensive.


So the given our blokes are shit etc

Miller can sack them all and the FFA comes to the party and gives him the full works as per spending power what exactly are you seeing that shows he could sign adequate levels of personnel??

His current levels of signing are bizarre and failures
Leonardo and Milos are obviously on some of the better money he had to spend.

We ain't getting value here. We ain't seeing either play at their alleged potential and this despite a protracted search for these two.


Reality is he has got it wrong wrong wrong with these two and has consigned our season to not being able to achieve anything good with our limited squad.

His other signings are all meh meh meh

Poljak
Hoffman
Labi
Watson

Have all contributed very little
VERY LITTLE

The only one who has shown any potential is Jackson and even then he wasn't played yesterday despite us persisting with a bloke so uncomfortable at Left back it wasn't funny.
Even him the jury is out whether he will make it or not anyways

HE ain't even getting the best out of the players at his disposal

Alivodic LeakyG were all playing better under Muppet than they have under him

The only bloke who has had an inspired season is our keeper as he is in the firing line everyweek

[MFKS]

It still doesn't excuse him for the treatment of Cooper. I mean there is no way Kitto is as good as Cooper and yet Kitto is getting a start and Cooper is left sitting in Limbo.

Hence, if it was about experience Kitto would not be getting a start. I think Millers as much of a headcase as the previous few gaffers we have had.

Can't believe I didn't pick it up earlier. Wishful thinking I guess.

Not forgetting the treatment of Lundy

Kills it in Yoof and then don't get a run in HAL.

Then gets hooked from Yoof to be available for HAL and then don't play either.

FMD

What a way to treat a kid

[lquiquer]

Victory scored on the counter from a corner for us. So we have a corner we send entire backline up, leave Crowley at the back with Poljak 20 meters in front of him!!!!.... Seems odd to me... I know Mullen, Boogaard and Hoffman can head the ball (if they could beat Delpierre), but FFS why send all of them up there and leave us exposed at the back with a young forward????.... #MillerOut

[BodyNovo]

So the given our blokes are shit etc

Miller can sack them all and the FFA comes to the party and gives him the full works as per spending power what exactly are you seeing that shows he could sign adequate levels of personnel??

His current levels of signing are bizarre and failures
Leonardo and Milos are obviously on some of the better money he had to spend.

We ain't getting value here. We ain't seeing either play at their alleged potential and this despite a protracted search for these two.


Reality is he has got it wrong wrong wrong with these two and has consigned our season to not being able to achieve anything good with our limited squad.

His other signings are all meh meh meh

Poljak
Hoffman
Labi
Watson

Have all contributed very little
VERY LITTLE

The only one who has shown any potential is Jackson and even then he wasn't played yesterday despite us persisting with a bloke so uncomfortable at Left back it wasn't funny.
Even him the jury is out whether he will make it or not anyways

HE ain't even getting the best out of the players at his disposal

Alivodic LeakyG were all playing better under Muppet than they have under him

The only bloke who has had an inspired season is our keeper as he is in the firing line everyweek

on the aussie boys and poljak. look at the time he had to pick them up he came in june/july and mostly all the good australian players were already picked up i.e. Nichols, mcclaren, vidosic. not that we would have got them anyway. we got the leftovers.

I agree the foreigners have not worked but ****ing hell besides song and rodgriguez they've all failed.

I'm with jeterpool the bloke hasn't been given the crop that previous managers have

all though I do agree he might not be utilising them in there best way.

I agree things are shithouse but and we really need to restart again.

[plague]

Actually I thought Hoffmans performance yesterday was a good snapshot of our coach.

Hoffman had the better physically of Archie Thompson all day. Yet Hoffman very rarely ever tried to turn Thompson around, instead sitting back in his defensive 3rd and letting old, slow, just back from knee surgery Archie Thompson avoid doing any defending.
There was one great attacking raid in the 2nd half where Alidovic and Hoffman combined on an overlap (with no one able to keep up with Hoffman) but how many others?

It's like Miller set up his team not thinking Archie would play, but when he found out he was playing just shrugged his shoulders and went 'oh well, we've got our structure'.

As I said before I find this thought process cowardly, but hey we got the result we were aiming for right?

[Jeterpool]

So the given our blokes are shit etc

Miller can sack them all and the FFA comes to the party and gives him the full works as per spending power what exactly are you seeing that shows he could sign adequate levels of personnel??

His current levels of signing are bizarre and failures
Leonardo and Milos are obviously on some of the better money he had to spend.

We ain't getting value here. We ain't seeing either play at their alleged potential and this despite a protracted search for these two.


Reality is he has got it wrong wrong wrong with these two and has consigned our season to not being able to achieve anything good with our limited squad.

His other signings are all meh meh meh

Poljak
Hoffman
Labi
Watson

Have all contributed very little
VERY LITTLE

The only one who has shown any potential is Jackson and even then he wasn't played yesterday despite us persisting with a bloke so uncomfortable at Left back it wasn't funny.
Even him the jury is out whether he will make it or not anyways

HE ain't even getting the best out of the players at his disposal

Alivodic LeakyG were all playing better under Muppet than they have under him

The only bloke who has had an inspired season is our keeper as he is in the firing line everyweek

I understand your points member and respect your opinion. I'm simply not at the point of calling for his head at the moment because I think he hasn't had a decent run at building his own squad.

I'm agreeing he has made some poor decisions. I'd have made different choices if I were in the hot seat. I'm not enjoying our tactics either and the reluctance to change anything is wearing thin.

I'm not convinced that replacing him and creating even more uncertainty is the right answer.

Anyway, the FFA won't spend any money on players so why would they remove him and have the additional cost of a new coach?

[The Dunster]

I agree things are shithouse but and we really need to restart again.

We have been restarting again for the last 7 years. Rather than becoming a solution at this club - needing to "restart" has become the excuse of choice for people failing to get results.

[plague]

all though I do agree he might not be utilising them in there best way.


See this is the bit that cracks me up about you guys.
You all say this, and it seems a very sensible assessment.

But you do realise that it's his job to utilise them properly.
Him not utilising them properly is a failure on his part.

He is not doing the job he's here to do yet you all seem to want to keep him around longer to continue to not do the job he's here to do.

Baffling.

[Jeterpool]

See this is the bit that cracks me up about you guys.
You all say this, and it seems a very sensible assessment.

But you do realise that it's his job to utilise them properly.
Him not utilising them properly is a failure on his part.

He is not doing the job he's here to do yet you all seem to want to keep him around longer to continue to not do the job he's here to do.

Baffling.

Maybe Miller thinks he is utilising them properly, though. In turn, that can also be a failing, I acknowledge.

[Jonty]

Not forgetting the treatment of Lundy

Kills it in Yoof and then don't get a run in HAL.

Then gets hooked from Yoof to be available for HAL and then don't play either.

FMD

What a way to treat a kid

I watched Fox sports news today over breakfast and almost spat my coffee out as Miller was again spinning his bullshit.

He said something along the lines of "I believe in the players here" (well that's a lie) and how no other A-League club provides such opportunities for young players - look at the NYL players on the bench etc etc.

What a load of absolute garbage. Lundy, Cooper and youth captain Pawiak have been the 3 best performers in the NYL this season. And all three have been frozen out. Something funny's going on here. Makes me sick how these mind games are played with these kids.

[Jonty]

Edit: Double post.

[q-money]

I watched Fox sports news today over breakfast and almost spat my coffee out as Miller was again spinning his bullshit.

He said something along the lines of "I believe in the players here" (well that's a lie) and how no other A-League club provides such opportunities for young players - look at the NYL players on the bench etc etc.

What a load of absolute garbage. Lundy, Cooper and youth captain Pawiak have been the 3 best performers in the NYL this season. And all three have been frozen out. Something funny's going on here. Makes me sick how these mind games are played with these kids.

to be fair though, this isn't just a scotty miller thing, ruining young players is an institutional policy down at the jerks

[Jonty]

The only one who has shown any potential is Jackson and even then he wasn't played yesterday despite us persisting with a bloke so uncomfortable at Left back it wasn't funny.


Interesting point, as I share this view. Our LB yesterday is a very 'one-sided' player with his left leg seemingly only for standing on. And yet we have a LEFT-FOOTED kid who has in my eyes, done alright this season (and played well at LB vs MVC last time in the 1-0 win) - and all of a sudden he's starting to be pushed into the freezer too.

Strange. Cos Miller said a couple of months ago that Cowburn "is a natural number six" or something like that. And since this statement, has played primarily at RB and LB. Riddle me that.

[Jonty]

to be fair though, this isn't just a scotty miller thing, ruining young players is an institutional policy down at the jerks

Yep. History backs this up. Bradbery, Remington, Campbell, Finlayson are just four previous youth players who spring to mind that weren't given a fair opportunity of cracking the senior side. If the current three stay here, they'll probably end up on the Jets scrapheap like those four.

[plague]

ruining young players is an institutional policy down at the jerks

#playingtoourstrengths

[WolfMan]

He said something along the lines of "I believe in the players here" (well that's a lie) and how no other A-League club provides such opportunities for young players - look at the NYL players on the bench etc etc.

What a load of absolute garbage.

OK, I'll play - what exactly do you expect him to say publicly?

"We're shit, and we know we are"?

What he says behind closed doors would hopefully be much less media-worthy than what we hear

[Jonty]

OK, I'll play - what exactly do you expect him to say publicly?

"We're shit, and we know we are"?

What he says behind closed doors would hopefully be much less media-worthy than what we hear

I would hope so too. Something a bit more real, like what Craig Deans said on TV after the girls' 1-0 loss. "We lacked quality today".

That was a correct statement, but not slaughtering his team publicly either or anything overly offensive. The constant spin just gets a bit tiring after a while.

[WolfMan]

I would hope so too. Something a bit more real, like what Craig Deans said on TV after the girls' 1-0 loss. "We lacked quality today".

That was a correct statement, but not slaughtering his team publicly either or anything overly offensive. The constant spin just gets a bit tiring after a while.

Fair point, well made

[redwah]

Yep. History backs this up. Bradbery, Remington, Campbell, Finlayson are just four previous youth players who spring to mind that weren't given a fair opportunity of cracking the senior side. If the current three stay here, they'll probably end up on the Jets scrapheap like those four.

Which clubs are they running around for now? There may be a reason they didn't get a start or haven't kicked on.

[lquiquer]

OK, I'll play - what exactly do you expect him to say publicly?

"We're shit, and we know we are"?

What he says behind closed doors would hopefully be much less media-worthy than what we hear

Well maybe being brutal in the media could trigger a reaction from his players???.... he keeps telling us how good they are, quote in paper today "We r on the right track".....blah blah blah......maybe they should be told they r shit and it's time to pull their finger out their arse or **** off to State league???....No good telling someone they good when they shit......Just saying......and to be honest for the last 6 years the players have been told how good they are, how we will make the play off and ......all bullshit......and look what we achieved!!!.......

[plague]

best thing would be someone to tell the coach how rubbish his game plan is.
that might help better than blaming the players. they only seem to be doing what they are told atm.

[lquiquer]

best thing would be someone to tell the coach how rubbish his game plan is.
that might help better than blaming the players. they only seem to be doing what they are told atm.

his tactics are shit but his players are also shit

[Tommyjet]

best thing would be someone to tell the coach how rubbish his game plan is.
that might help better than blaming the players. they only seem to be doing what they are told atm.
Told him at full time. He didn't seem to agree with me.

[lquiquer]

Kanta: " We have to take our chances".....I can only remember one yesterday.......

[BodyNovo]

Which clubs are they running around for now? There may be a reason they didn't get a start or haven't kicked on.

i don't agree with this

if players aren't given a crack by the time they are 20-21 it is a big risk for HAL clubs to give a squad contract to a unproven player.

there are plenty of players over the years who have fallen through the cracks at different HAL clubs.

major example is Kitto; he is just lucky the jets took a punt on him.

[MFKS]

NEWCASTLE coach Scott Miller has challenged anyone directing "unwarranted criticism" at his team to remember the depths from which they have come.





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The eighth-placed Jets are nine games without a win – and their fifth without a goal 0 – after their 1-0 loss to Melbourne Victory on Sunday.

A lack of resources available to the FFA-owned club have not made things easy, especially given injuries have forced constant rotation of a squad that had little depth to start with.

Another setback has been the absence of Brazilian playmaker Leonardo, who has managed only seven appearances because of a recurring knee injury, while Serbian striker Milos Trifunovic has recently struggled in front of goal.

But while ruing that his team had not "rewarded themselves" against Victory, Miller observed a lack of understanding from some outside quarters of how much the club as a whole has achieved since last season's wooden spoon during the ill-fated Nathan Tinkler era.

"I think we've got some unwarranted criticism throughout the year overall," Miller said.

"From where the club was to where it is now is a great improvement, and total respect to the playing group for their responsibility and effort so far.

"It's not about being disappointed, it's about being focused on achieving something here this year that derives from stability, but also maximising the opportunity and over-achieving.

"There's been a balance of the two of late ... and that's a team in rebuild."

Miller was loath to address some unflattering statistics, including a 469-minute goalless stretch across a club-record five matches – only one match less than the now-defunct New Zealand Knights' all-time record of six back in 2006.

"Stats are there for journalism, and to point out failure or achievements," he said.

"We look at the facts, and we look at improving a team individually and technically.
"That's our focus, not stats.

"Because the tide will turn – fortunately for Melbourne [Victory], their tide turned, and we were the ones that allowed them to do so."

Trifunovic has four goals to his name this season but has not found the back of the net in his past six appearances.

It was a drought Miller said had more to do with the quality of service than a fault of Trifunovic’s or lack of confidence. Asked if the Serbian target man ever felt frustrated by the lack of service, Miller replied: "It's not his job to be frustrated, it's his job to score."


Facts are you aint improving as a coach
Facts are the team are not improving as a group
Facts are the players Birraz aside are showing no signs of improving as players

Facts are 8 games at home ONLY 4 goals scored

Facts are your failing

[boz-monaut]

*you're

[MFKS]

*you're

Not following???

Whats your point??

[Wilso8948]

*you're

Maybe he's stating that the facts will ultimately be his failing....

[Frodo]

I think Miller is spot on at the moment. We always knew we would struggle this year, i think he is deflecting it away from the players as much as possible. Better than what Stubbs did last year.

We started the season with barely a starting 11 because Tinks and Stubbs spent all our money on shit, got injuries which reduced us to absolutely no bench at all, and somehow we aren't coming last. I can see plenty of positives out of that.

I have 2 expectations this year to be happy. - Don't fold as a club & Don't finish beneath the Scum.

Next season when we have a proper owner and have cleaned out the squad i'll start taking pot shots at the coach.

[MFKS]

I think Miller is spot on at the moment. We always knew we would struggle this year, i think he is deflecting it away from the players as much as possible. Better than what Stubbs did last year.

We started the season with barely a starting 11 because Tinks and Stubbs spent all our money on shit, got injuries which reduced us to absolutely no bench at all, and somehow we aren't coming last. I can see plenty of positives out of that.

I have 2 expectations this year to be happy. - Don't fold as a club & Don't finish beneath the Scum.

Next season when we have a proper owner and have cleaned out the squad i'll start taking pot shots at the coach.

Must fill your heart with joy to turn up and watch another insipid performance from paid personnel.

No excuses ever for not having a go.

If we had a bunch of all locals out there I could understand being outclassed and accept it.

But to have a bunch of blokes who ain't locals not rip in and give 110% each week is a disgrace.

What is a bigger disgrace is people accepting this level of mediocre shit performances from the club/players and management as being OK

[plague]

Oooooohhhhhhhh now I get it.
Us fans is too dumb to see what the jeen-yus is up to.

Man, here I was thinking I was watching a team get beat every week and a coach continually focusing on not getting flogged rather than winning a game.

I guess old Scott 'Steve Hawking' Miller is just too many levels above for me to 'get it'.

Maybe the Jets are like those old school magic eye puzzles, stare at it long enough and you can see what's really hidden inside.

I apologise for my lack of ability in seeing your master plan at work Scott.
I promise to try harder next time, that is, as long as you'll have retards me around the club.

[The Dunster]

I'm surprised Miller hasn't approached the FFA to have all scoreboards throughout the league removed as they are only there "for journalism, and to point out failure or achievements"

Blokes a goose- get him out.

[plague]

You're wrong Dunster. I just got pulled over by the cops for speeding but I told him that his radar gun reading was "just for journalism and to point out failure of achievement"

Cop let me go.

[plague]

"for journalism, and to point out failure or achievements".

Miller out here thinking he's an extra from True Detective s.1

[Frodo]

Must fill your heart with joy to turn up and watch another insipid performance from paid personnel.

No excuses ever for not having a go.

If we had a bunch of all locals out there I could understand being outclassed and accept it.

But to have a bunch of blokes who ain't locals not rip in and give 110% each week is a disgrace.

What is a bigger disgrace is people accepting this level of mediocre shit performances from the club/players and management as being OK

Your idea of having a go is different to mine. You would obviously be happy to watch us run at the opposition for 90 mins to score 1 and concede 10?

If you guys want to watch passionate but ultimately useless footballers put in 110% every week but still get trounced go down to Gosford and enjoy the ambience of the Gypos.

I know we are shit, and i get pissed off and leave when we concede 4 against Citeh and hurl abuse at anyone and everyone within ear shot. But when it comes to the overall job Miller is doing i have sympathy for his position compared to others.

There isn't a coach in this country who could win the league with this club in it's current state. Both on field and off we are behind every other club in the league. But i do think we are better placed then this time last season.

[plague]

You would obviously be happy to watch us run at the opposition for 90 mins

Id be happy if they did it for 9 mins TBH.

[MFKS]

Your idea of having a go is different to mine. You would obviously be happy to watch us run at the opposition for 90 mins to score 1 and concede 10?

If you guys want to watch passionate but ultimately useless footballers put in 110% every week but still get trounced go down to Gosford and enjoy the ambience of the Gypos.



As opposed to now where I get to watch passionless and useless footballers who don't give 110% and who couldn't give a **** about their fans at all??

Having a go isn't about playing an 8 man attacking line up either and some mythical jogo bonito stuff.
Quite frankly these blokes are trying to play TOO MUCH football now for our inept players abilities and need to complicate it less and move the ball about way more directly.

Run hard tackle really hard bust your but kick the shit out of them and try to ask some questions of the opposition by doing something they don't like.
Not hard really. But obviously too much for the brainiacs at our club



If you think that our blokes are doing all in their powers to win then you are kidding yourself.
There doing what they can to avoid getting flogged.

They walk off the pitch satisfied with a 1-0 loss and that is BULLSHIT

That is the mentality that needs to change.

[hawk]

Your idea of having a go is different to mine. You would obviously be happy to watch us run at the opposition for 90 mins to score 1 and concede 10?

If you guys want to watch passionate but ultimately useless footballers put in 110% every week but still get trounced go down to Gosford and enjoy the ambience of the Gypos.

I know we are shit, and i get pissed off and leave when we concede 4 against Citeh and hurl abuse at anyone and everyone within ear shot. But when it comes to the overall job Miller is doing i have sympathy for his position compared to others.

There isn't a coach in this country who could win the league with this club in it's current state. Both on field and off we are behind every other club in the league. But i do think we are better placed then this time last season.

beautiful....truth bombs n all

[lquiquer]

There isn't a coach in this country who could win the league with this club in it's current state.

Don't underestimate Ange....

[The Special One]

There isn't a coach in this country who could win the league with this club in it's current state. Both on field and off we are behind every other club in the league. But i do think we are better placed then this time last season.

For those playing at home, I'm not in the country at the moment.

I'll sign a contract if you like - just no more than 3 years.

[parksey]

Your idea of having a go is different to mine. You would obviously be happy to watch us run at the opposition for 90 mins to score 1 and concede 10?

If you guys want to watch passionate but ultimately useless footballers put in 110% every week but still get trounced go down to Gosford and enjoy the ambience of the Gypos.

I know we are shit, and i get pissed off and leave when we concede 4 against Citeh and hurl abuse at anyone and everyone within ear shot. But when it comes to the overall job Miller is doing i have sympathy for his position compared to others.

There isn't a coach in this country who could win the league with this club in it's current state. Both on field and off we are behind every other club in the league. But i do think we are better placed then this time last season.

we are worse than the gypos in every way

take away the first 3 games, before every team worked out that we can't defend or attack, and we've probanly picked up less points than them this season

miller is woefully out of his depth, much like his predecessor

give clayton zane the gig again, he gets it

[Jeterpool]

we are worse than the gypos in every way

take away the first 3 games, before every team worked out that we can't defend or attack, and we've probanly picked up less points than them this season

miller is woefully out of his depth, much like his predecessor

give clayton zane the gig again, he gets it

Melbourne has changed you man

[plague]

For those playing at home, I'm not in the country at the moment.

I'll sign a contract if you like - just no more than 3 years.

serious, you are the worst multi on the foz.

take a break and sort your act out.

please.

[GazFish35]

The season is so much more enjoyable by staying off the internet.

[Grimario]

The season is so much more enjoyable by staying off the internet.

So much more enjoyable by not watching it.

[plague]

The season is so much more enjoyable by staying off the internet.

Bah, I think this off-season has started with a bang. Best time of year to be alive I reackon.

[parksey]

Melbourne has changed you man

i wish that i lived in melbourne

[hawk]

i wish that i lived in melbourne

unlocked strayas secret

[q-money]

hey plague, how do you feel about this guy?

http://screamer.deadspin.com/court-docs-mls-coach-spanked-players-called-concussed-1751667091?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebo ok&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow


In 2012, the Philadelphia Union fired then-coach Peter Nowak. The ongoing legal battle over that firing has made public the disturbing allegations that got Nowak canned. They include Nowak spanking rookie players, sometimes with a sandal, to the point where it hurt his own hand; belittling concussions; throwing water bottles meant for players into the woods so they would have to run for miles without hydration; and trying to stop players from reporting all of this to their union.

sign him up!

[MFKS]

hey plague, how do you feel about this guy?

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sign him up!

Sounds like he would make our team harden the **** up and not take any BS from them.

A genuine old school manager if you ask me.

Sign Him Up

[plague]

hey plague, how do you feel about this guy?

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sign him up!

so Nowak is suing the team right?
I mean, surrounding that coach with such a bunch of pooftas clearly exposed him to the potential to catch the AIDS* or develop a love for House music.

Either way the team has failed in its duty of care and hopefully Nowak gets duly compensated.



*ive seen Philadelphia, I know how this stuff works.

[MFKS]

Rightio.

Any of the Miller sheep wish to speak up now???

[Jetmaster]

Rightio.

Any of the Miller sheep wish to speak up now???


https://youtu.be/OopMbW0sEPw

[Hunter403]

https://youtu.be/OopMbW0sEPw

This brings back some memories. Great choice Jetmaster.

[sammydog]

Given the way the FFA has heavily invested in the set up of the squad this year, what makes you think that they would splash even loose change found in an ash tray to replace the coaching staff.

We are stuck with this shit until they find an owner (won't happen while they self destroy their own asset), or they do something stupid like merge the Jets/Mariners.

[The Dunster]

I hate the Jets more than I hate the Mariners. At least the Mariners score goals and show some pride in their shirt. Unlike these useless Jets fuxxx.
Sack the lot of them.

[Jeterpool]

I had a listen to the full press conference this morning and I took away from it that Scott Miller is taking a similar approach to, say, Gombau when he first started. That is he is implementing the system possibly at the forsake of results while most would argue the system should best suit the players (which we may also be doing). That's fine for him and maybe for the players if that is what they understand is happening but he's lucky that the league accommodates such a luxury by not having a relegation. He's also lucky that he doesn't have the English press to deal with because our press are soft on him.

Miller's demeanor is certainly not suggesting he is under pressure from the FFA or Eland.

If this year is just a stagnating year, with no pressure on Miller, the only people who are going to get hurt are the fans. That in turn will hurt the club because many have given them a third, fourth, fifth chance and I don't know how many will come back AGAIN. It may also damage the good work done with gaining sponsorship in the club.

Football is about winning. It's not about how well we implement the game plan.

[joel31]

Gombau's system was positive and showed signs of working. Miler's "system" isneither

[Frodo]

Gombau's system was positive and showed signs of working. Miler's "system" isneither

Miller's system is probably similar to Arnold's at Sydney FC. Horrendous to watch but effective at getting points. i'm sure if we had Brosque and Holosko we would be in a much better league position.

That said, i hate anti-football so if we ever did become that negative i'd be furious. I don't mind being very structured and hard to break down but if we get to Sydney's level i'd probably have to eat my own words and head down to Palm tree stadium.

I'm hoping the plan is to spend this season making us tight-arses in defense and then once we learn that unleash 3-4 attack minded players on the counter and actually press teams and try to make things happen, rather than watching it unfold in front of us and then react. If that isn't the case and this is the limit of his abilities as a coach i'll happily join the Hatewagon and grab my pitchfork come the last few weeks of the season.

[sammydog]

Miller's demeanor is certainly not suggesting he is under pressure from the FFA or Eland.

If this year is just a stagnating year, with no pressure on Miller, the only people who are going to get hurt are the fans. That in turn will hurt the club because many have given them a third, fourth, fifth chance and I don't know how many will come back AGAIN. It may also damage the good work done with gaining sponsorship in the club.

Football is about winning. It's not about how well we implement the game plan.

There is the problem for me. Miller is in the same situation as Stubbins was, that is, employed by an owner who wants to spend minimal cash and won't sack him just to avoid having to payout any termination.

I think Miller knows this which is why he never looks to be under any pressure at all, and it gives him the luxury to chase his vision whatever the damage to the club.

We have already seen that FFA's contribution is to be kept as low as possible.

As I see it, the way we are being run this year is exactly the same as last year, excepting the players are actually being paid. Investment in the club and the squad appears to be exactly the same, possibly less given we have a part time CEO.

It is definitely damaging the club though, I know of a lot of people that signed up as members this season giving it one last shot as the FFA were involved and there was a lot of talk of a new owner. I don't know if the FFA will get a second shot at the good faith of the crowd.


Miller's system is probably similar to Arnold's at Sydney FC. Horrendous to watch but effective at getting points. i'm sure if we had Brosque and Holosko we would be in a much better league position.

That said, i hate anti-football so if we ever did become that negative i'd be furious. I don't mind being very structured and hard to break down but if we get to Sydney's level i'd probably have to eat my own words and head down to Palm tree stadium.

I'm hoping the plan is to spend this season making us tight-arses in defense and then once we learn that unleash 3-4 attack minded players on the counter and actually press teams and try to make things happen, rather than watching it unfold in front of us and then react. If that isn't the case and this is the limit of his abilities as a coach i'll happily join the Hatewagon and grab my pitchfork come the last few weeks of the season.

Lets see who our next two signings are. The first signing just shows me we are building for next season and the likely exit of some of our DM's. Its not going to help us crawl out of this seasons hole.

[hawk]

our recruitment is worse than our coaches

[sammydog]

our recruitment is worse than our coaches

I'm not setting my expectations very high, thats for sure.

[Frodo]

We all turned up to too many games. We didn't give the FFA enough reason to actually pull their finger out and help us. We had more members than half the league with them having to barely lift a finger. They know the majority of us will be back next year no matter where we finish on the table and even though 1000s of people will walk away at season end, if they make 1 marquee signing or if we manage to win 3 games in a row the people of Newcastle will come back.

It's both a blessing and a curse.

[plague]

Yay let's aim to play the kind of football that always get your ass spanked in grand finals if you're lucky enough to bore your way to one.

[Frodo]

I'm an Arsenal fan, i can't stand watching football that isn't attacking and quick. But i'm also a realist and know what happens to teams who try to stick to a fancy idea of how football should be played when they don't have the players to do it.

We need a few more years until the league has enough money/local talent improves enough for teams to truly have style and philosophies. At the moment it's more about finding enough room in your salary cap/enough players keen to come to your team.


Yay let's aim to play the kind of football that always get your ass spanked in grand finals if you're lucky enough to bore your way to one.

I don't think we will be getting to any grand finals in the next year or two. So that won't be a problem plague

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

We all turned up to too many games. We didn't give the FFA enough reason to actually pull their finger out and help us. We had more members than half the league with them having to barely lift a finger. They know the majority of us will be back next year no matter where we finish on the table and even though 1000s of people will walk away at season end, if they make 1 marquee signing or if we manage to win 3 games in a row the people of Newcastle will come back.

It's both a blessing and a curse.

I think the crowd numbers need to remain strong as otherwise it may be deemed that the club isn't worth moving forward with.
I really suspect that with the troubles at both the Jets and Mariners the FFA would seriously consider a merger that would allow another Sydney team into the mix. (I have no evidential basis for this view, just a feeling).

[plague]

We need a few more years until the league has enough money/local talent improves enough for teams to truly have style and philosophies.


No.

The Jets had Griff and the football was glorious.

The Jets dont have Griff the football is garbage.

[The Dunster]

I don't buy into all this building for the future shit. I do though believe that if the money can be found it's more than possible to buy success much like the Wanderers did it.

Spending money on developing players is a waste of time and very inefficient both technically and financially.

Far better off to let other clubs take on the risk of player development and save your own money for buying the finished product.

How much has been spent / invested in Kanta or even Bk for that matter ? Was it worth it chasing the dream of local boy does good ? I doubt it.

We could have at least spent big on the finished product for two seasons or so and had some success - rather than roll the dice and be complete shit for 8 seasons.

[MFKS]

I'm an Arsenal fan, i can't stand watching football that isn't attacking and quick. But i'm also a realist and know what happens to teams who try to stick to a fancy idea of how football should be played when they don't have the players to do it.

We need a few more years until the league has enough money/local talent improves enough for teams to truly have style and philosophies. At the moment it's more about finding enough room in your salary cap/enough players keen to come to your team.



I don't think we will be getting to any grand finals in the next year or two. So that won't be a problem plague

But aren't we sticking to a fancy idea of playing football that our players are incapable of playing??

Our blokes don't have the skill set to be playing a passing game and having success at doing it.

So why persist with it??

It ain't like we are Playing some high octane joga bonito stuff that ain't coming off at the moment but given time will work.

We are playing something that every other club in the league is better at than uz and expecting success.

Well **** me as it ain't working and it won't be ever working.


Miller needs to cut the shit.

Two up front hoof it long get it in the box and stop ****ing around. He can still park the bus and be as defensively structured as he likes. Just cut the shit when we have the ball and play it ****ing simple for now.

When he gets the personnel if ever he can start to be elaborate in attack. For now though

K
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[Roundball Enthusiast]

Our blokes don't have the skill set to be playing a passing game and having success at doing it.


He even said it in the presser.. Some of our players are playing to their capacity. But still insists they have to play better.. Hm...

[Frodo]

But aren't we sticking to a fancy idea of playing football that our players are incapable of playing??

Our blokes don't have the skill set to be playing a passing game and having success at doing it.

So why persist with it??

It ain't like we are Playing some high octane joga bonito stuff that ain't coming off at the moment but given time will work.

We are playing something that every other club in the league is better at than uz and expecting success.

Well **** me as it ain't working and it won't be ever working.


Miller needs to cut the shit.

Two up front hoof it long get it in the box and stop ****ing around. He can still park the bus and be as defensively structured as he likes. Just cut the shit when we have the ball and play it ****ing simple for now.

When he gets the personnel if ever he can start to be elaborate in attack. For now though

K
I
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I don't think we have enough talent to go up top with Milos. Cabbage can't run, Enver can't dribble. Leo can't make it onto the field. Cooper can't score, Haliti is injured.

That said, Crowley, Kitto or Pav beside Milos is probably more potent than what we are currently doing so i agree that 4-4-2 should be given a crack.

With our current fullbacks not overlapping our 4-2-3-1 isn't effective anyway so 4 in midfield would make us both tighter in defense and also give us more passing options. We don't know how to pass but at least it gives us more options.

[The Dunster]

Hoffman would be a better option up front than Kitto or Pav.

[Hunter403]

Hoffman would be a better option up front than Kitto or Pav.

Mate, I reckon I'm a better option up front. I might be slow and old but at least I can hit the target.

Seriously, trying 442 with someone in Trif's pocket has gotta be worth a try cause what we're doing now isn't working. I'd rather not even use Trif but we have no other option (unless Lord Griff recovers and gets signed) but the question is who to put next to him. Kanta can't play everywhere!

[Jeterpool]

I'd rather try a bit of speed up front to get behind the Nix and force them back. I'm thinking Lundy and Crowley.

[Thomas477]

Mate, I reckon I'm a better option up front. I might be slow and old but at least I can hit the target.

Seen you miss a few too.....

[RAM]

We're ****ed.

[Jetmaster]

I think the crowd numbers need to remain strong as otherwise it may be deemed that the club isn't worth moving forward with.
I really suspect that with the troubles at both the Jets and Mariners the FFA would seriously consider a merger that would allow another Sydney team into the mix. (I have no evidential basis for this view, just a feeling).

How many times do the public have to "prove" their support up here? Over the last 35 years we have just kept coming back time after time.
We want a team and deserve a team...we should be one of the biggest clubs in the country.
It isnt the fans fault.

[parksey]

building for the future is not possible in the aleague, every season teams are gutted by the salary cap in some way or another

absolutely no excuse for how we are playing

we're a professional football team who can't score a goal or string 5 passes together, how can you not point fingers at the coaching staff?

don't even think about bringing the squad up because the quality is fine. we have dave carney and two guys who have played at a good level in europe up front and they are not even in the game each week.

[leftrightout]

building for the future is not possible in the aleague, every season teams are gutted by the salary cap in some way or another

This is what pisses me off about the A-League. You constantly hear teams saying this, yet every season teams change that much you cannot build for the future. "Building for the future" basically means we will play young players because they are cheap and when they do well for us we will sell them for a profit.
Look at current squads compared to 5 years ago, how many teams have young guys who they "built up" still going around for them?
The only ones that do are average a-league standard players (hardly the future of the league) or guys who may have had bad luck with injuries.

[The Camel]

building for the future is not possible in the aleague, every season teams are gutted by the salary cap in some way or another

absolutely no excuse for how we are playing

we're a professional football team who can't score a goal or string 5 passes together, how can you not point fingers at the coaching staff?

don't even think about bringing the squad up because the quality is fine. we have dave carney and two guys who have played at a good level in europe up front and they are not even in the game each week.

I agree with your first half but not the last paragraph. Carney, whilst skillful is the second laziest player in the comp (Trifunovic being lazier and never played at a decent European level) and Leonardo has played at a decent level in Europe but is never on the park.

Boogaard and Birraz are the only two players we have that could realistically go to most clubs and get a run, the rest of them are shithouse

[plague]

There aren't seriously suckers out there falling for this 'rebuilding' crap are there?

You realise we rebuilt before, as have many many other teams all to no avail.

Here's an exercise, go look at the kids we thought we were 'developing' and tell me which of them are playing their best football for us?

Other than Biraz I can't think of many. All the others were cherry picked by other clubs and have gone on to better things. How the hell this clown thinks we can win a comp by doing that astounds me.

While you're at it look at the best young players across the whole league and see if they are still playing their best football at the club that developed them. The best ones have all moved on.

Yet Miller thinks he's going to bring in the class of '92 and they'll be the three best friends that anyone could have and they'll never ever ever ever ever leave each other.

[Jeterpool]

Yet Miller thinks he's going to bring in the class of '92 and they'll be the three best friends that anyone could have and they'll never ever ever ever ever leave each other.

That made me chuckle. Thanks Plague - I needed it.

[The Camel]

There aren't seriously suckers out there falling for this 'rebuilding' crap are there?

You realise we rebuilt before, as have many many other teams all to no avail.

Here's an exercise, go look at the kids we thought we were 'developing' and tell me which of them are playing their best football for us?

Other than Biraz I can't think of many. All the others were cherry picked by other clubs and have gone on to better things. How the hell this clown thinks we can win a comp by doing that astounds me.

While you're at it look at the best young players across the whole league and see if they are still playing their best football at the club that developed them. The best ones have all moved on.

Yet Miller thinks he's going to bring in the class of '92 and they'll be the three best friends that anyone could have and they'll never ever ever ever ever leave each other.

Agree, the only other one who played their best football for us is Taggart, and possibly Holland once upon a time.

[MFKS]

There aren't seriously suckers out there falling for this 'rebuilding' crap are there?

You realise we rebuilt before, as have many many other teams all to no avail.

Here's an exercise, go look at the kids we thought we were 'developing' and tell me which of them are playing their best football for us?

Other than Biraz I can't think of many. All the others were cherry picked by other clubs and have gone on to better things. How the hell this clown thinks we can win a comp by doing that astounds me.

While you're at it look at the best young players across the whole league and see if they are still playing their best football at the club that developed them. The best ones have all moved on.

Yet Miller thinks he's going to bring in the class of '92 and they'll be the three best friends that anyone could have and they'll never ever ever ever ever leave each other.

Thing is if you are gonna base your squad around kids for the future you need to have good solid players around them.

Even under GVE when we signed Taggz Goodwin Birraz Chapman Beard etc we never had the rest of the quality around the side to allow them to develop at their own pace.

SAF at least had Cantona Bruce Pallister Schmeichal Hughes McClair Ince Keane Irwin etc whilst Beckham Butt Scholes Neville etc came through and of course Giggs had been there for a few years before the rest broke through

[plague]

Agree, the only other one who played their best football for us is Taggart, and possibly Holland once upon a time.

Taggart is a good one.

Holland played with Griff.
Griff makes everyone look good.

[Jeterpool]

Thing is if you are gonna base your squad around kids for the future you need to have good solid players around them.

Even under GVE when we signed Taggz Goodwin Birraz Chapman Beard etc we never had the rest of the quality around the side to allow them to develop at their own pace.

SAF at least had Cantona Bruce Pallister Schmeichal Hughes McClair Ince Keane Irwin etc whilst Beckham Butt Scholes Neville etc came through and of course Giggs had been there for a few years before the rest broke through

Precisely. Our recruitment has focused primarily on young kids and players at the peak of their career. We rarely recruit players about to enter, or in, their prime. The last one we signed is could be argued is Poljak (I was excited about him at the time for this reason). Other than that...Zadkovich? Ryan Griffiths?

I guess, thinking further, we have started that approach with our defensive line too.

Others should have been - like Neumann, Celeski, Burns (if only we'd paid up).

[Jeterpool]

Taggart is a good one.

Holland played with Griff.
Griff makes everyone look good.

I reckon Zads played his best football for us.

[Bon]

I reckon Zads played his best football for us.

I would agree with that..

[sammydog]

Thing is if you are gonna base your squad around kids for the future you need to have good solid players around them.


That is spot on, and also if you are getting young kids, you would hope that they have career aspirations. In that case, they will only stay until they can move onto bigger and better things.

If your squad is predominantly young kids of the future, you for the most part won't have a long term stable club.

The older quality is needed to give some stability.

[MFKS]

That is spot on, and also if you are getting young kids, you would hope that they have career aspirations. In that case, they will only stay until they can move onto bigger and better things.

If your squad is predominantly young kids of the future, you for the most part won't have a long term stable club.

The older quality is needed to give some stability.

You can have some stability though. You just can't afford the mass exodus of your kids all at once.

You just need to keep your core group of senior players though and add to it from time to time with some fresh blood

I think it is doable at this level with competent coaching.



Problem is we don't see enough competent coaching at our club.

How blokes like Beard and Taggz made it out of here defies belief
Birraz who is soon to head off for greener pastures is also another modern mystery.

It ain't like you could say they have been well coached in their time at the club

It is down to pot luck and their own talent that got them opportunity outside of Australia because it ain't down to our club providing a quality environment for them to flourish and develop

[Frodo]

You can have some stability though. You just can't afford the mass exodus of your kids all at once.

You just need to keep your core group of senior players though and add to it from time to time with some fresh blood

I think it is doable at this level with competent coaching.



Problem is we don't see enough competent coaching at our club.

How blokes like Beard and Taggz made it out of here defies belief
Birraz who is soon to head off for greener pastures is also another modern mystery.

It ain't like you could say they have been well coached in their time at the club

It is down to pot luck and their own talent that got them opportunity outside of Australia because it ain't down to our club providing a quality environment for them to flourish and develop


Considering the list of Footballers that have done well since coming through our club lately maybe GVE was just a massive wanker and not useless at coaching after all.. HAHA... That said, maybe they know how to train young players up to a good level but don't know how to convert it to on-field quality.

[The Dunster]

Considering the list of Footballers that have done well since coming through our club lately maybe GVE was just a massive wanker and not useless at coaching after all.. HAHA... That said, maybe they know how to train young players up to a good level but don't know how to convert it to on-field quality.

Sarcasm ? Because I cannot think of any players the Jets developed / produced that went on to the next level.

Taggz - club gave him game time - not much else.
beard - See above.
Chapman - see above
Hoole - Club probably did more damage to the kid than help his progress.
Goodwin: See Above
Hoffman: See Above

[plague]

Taggz - club gave him game time - not much else.
beard - See above.
Chapman - see above
Hoole - Club probably did more damage to the kid than help his progress.
Goodwin: See Above
Hoffman: See Above

Another major factor here is how many of these kids that we apparently developed actually gave the club a 'return' on their leaving?

Did we get any money for any of them?
Most of them couldnt wait to get out of here.
We certainly didn't win anything with them.

So whether GVE lucked out with talent or not the end result is that through piss poor management at all levels within the club the entire experiment was nothing but a massive failure.

[Jeterpool]

Sarcasm ? Because I cannot think of any players the Jets developed / produced that went on to the next level.

Taggz - club gave him game time - not much else.
beard - See above.
Chapman - see above
Hoole - Club probably did more damage to the kid than help his progress.
Goodwin: See Above
Hoffman: See Above

I'd argue we developed Song.

[The Dunster]

I'd argue we developed Song.

He was representing his country at Olympic level before he played for the Jets and pretty much slotted straight into the Jets lineup upon arrival.

I would very confidently say that he was developed long before he became a Jet.

All the Jets offered him was game time which he might have struggled to get at a big Korean club given their stock of similar type players.

He may have matured a little while a Jet but I don't think he developed technically or tactically due to any influence for GVE - unless you count learning how to deal with a dickhead coach.

[Jeterpool]

He was representing his country at Olympic level before he played for the Jets and pretty much slotted straight into the Jets lineup upon arrival.

I would very confidently say that he was developed long before he became a Jet.

All the Jets offered him was game time which he might have struggled to get at a big Korean club given their stock of similar type players.

He may have matured a little while a Jet but I don't think he developed technically or tactically due to any influence for GVE - unless you count learning how to deal with a dickhead coach.

I can accept your point. He came to the league to learn how to handle a more physical league which is something that he developed. I don't recall him being the finished article when he arrived but he certainly had something about him.

[The Dunster]

I can accept your point. He came to the league to learn how to handle a more physical league which is something that he developed. I don't recall him being the finished article when he arrived but he certainly had something about him.

Agree - I'd trade Leonardo and Poljak for Song without any hesitation.

Would love to see him back here. He signed a 3 year contract in 2012 in Korea. Not sure of his current status.

[plague]

I'd argue we developed Song.

Very well in JP. I'll give the Jets that one. He was better when he left, he helped us win and we maybe even got some money for him (?).

Ok that's one player in 10 years. I can totally see why Miller likes this strategy.

[stopper2]

Sarcasm ? Because I cannot think of any players the Jets developed / produced that went on to the next level.

Taggz - club gave him game time - not much else.
beard - See above.
Chapman - see above
Hoole - Club probably did more damage to the kid than help his progress.
Goodwin: See Above
Hoffman: See Above

On Taggz, his lucky break was Heskey getting injured....Taggz owes whoever took out big Emile in that pre-season game that led to him being out for half the season, allowing Taggz to cement his place in the starting line-up and as they say the rest is history. He got a chance and took the opportunity with both hands which is something you got to do as a young player, Jackson and Cowburn have both done and proven they are up to this level but the other just haven't stepped up to the plate.

[MFKS]

Considering the list of Footballers that have done well since coming through our club lately maybe GVE was just a massive wanker and not useless at coaching after all.. HAHA... That said, maybe they know how to train young players up to a good level but don't know how to convert it to on-field quality.

Having watched a bit of the EJ program you could make quite a case that they have NFI what they are doing really.

Someone has their nice new shiny KNVB approved FFA certificate that looks ****ing great but they have no ****ing idea in actually turning the kids potential into quality players.

All they can harp on with is their KNVB Mantra which actually achieves ****ing nothing.

95% of the kids in the EJ program have NFI about playing without the ball. They just run into general areas on the field.

No anticipating no tackling skills no isolating players with the ball no ****ing nothing.

The kids ain't being taught how to win a football game at all

[The Dunster]

Very well in JP. I'll give the Jets that one. He was better when he left, he helped us win and we maybe even got some money for him (?).

Ok that's one player in 10 years. I can totally see why Miller likes this strategy.

It makes perfect sense and provided nobody moves onto other clubs or deteriorates as they get older we should be able to develop a quality team in around 200 years.

#buildingforthefuture

[Bon]

It makes perfect sense and provided nobody moves onto other clubs or deteriorates as they get older we should be able to develop a quality team in around 200 years.

#buildingforthefuture

I wish I had your kind of optimism.. :gent:

[halo se7en]

It is down to pot luck and their own talent that got them opportunity outside of Australia because it ain't down to our club providing a quality environment for them to flourish and develop

I'd say the Jets are doing everything in their power to help Birraz flourish at the moment. What better way then to let the other side run attacking drills for 90 minutes? Although I'd rather he stagnate in goals and not see the ****ing ball every 30 seconds...

[Frodo]

I'd say the Jets are doing everything in their power to help Birraz flourish at the moment. What better way then to let the other side run attacking drills for 90 minutes? Although I'd rather he stagnate in goals and not see the ****ing ball every 30 seconds...

Maybe the FFA understand that Birraz is their biggest asset at the moment so they've told Miller to make him look amazing so they can bank the transfer fee. We already sold Leaky G and replaced him with 2 much cheaper players and might sell Cabbage as well. Make some money off the jets to spend of Marketing in Melbourne for the Geelong team.

[parksey]

I agree with your first half but not the last paragraph. Carney, whilst skillful is the second laziest player in the comp (Trifunovic being lazier and never played at a decent European level) and Leonardo has played at a decent level in Europe but is never on the park.

Boogaard and Birraz are the only two players we have that could realistically go to most clubs and get a run, the rest of them are shithouse

i meant triffo and enver, i barely even consider leonardo a jets player

yes triffo is lazy but that doesn't mean we couldn't be untilising him more effectively, instead of leaving him isolated 4-on-1 every game.

carney is the laziest player in the league, but get him in and around the box and he'll make stuff happen

[hawk]

Sarcasm ? Because I cannot think of any players the Jets developed / produced that went on to the next level.

Taggz - club gave him game time - not much else.
beard - See above.
Chapman - see above
Hoole - Club probably did more damage to the kid than help his progress.
Goodwin: See Above
Hoffman: See Above


Taggz - Did ok to go OS. Was never good enough to handle it. Will be good in HAL again
beard - Overrated, no loss, at least having a go OS, will come back tail between legs
Chapman - Just up to level, no loss
Hoole - Judas, FO
Goodwin: Fk him too
Hoffman: LOL

[StannyCFCJET]

New to the forum and ive seen alot of interesting comments regarding Miller. Unfortunately ive lost faith in Miller and JPM and ill tell you why. We have a Head Coach who was a fitness and assistant coach for almost a decade (not sure exactly how long he was at fullham) in England and an assistant coach who last season coached a team to a grand final win yet these two coaches can't come up with any better tactic than sit deep, don't commit man forward and hope for the best.

This head coach also plays people out of position, refuses to give youth a chance over certain first team players who have been beyond rubbish this season Watson Trifunovic Alidovic etc yet still play every game and ALMOST always makes defensive substitutions when we are trying to win a game or the game is in the balance and we need a spark. Also this so called defensive stability he has brought to the team is rubbish. We don't apply pressure to the ball carrier concede shots galore and rely on Birraz and BK to fingers crossed save everything or lets face it we lose 4-0 every week. Also if were going to play so defensive we need all 11 players working their buts off to defend and contain the opposition so by playing Carney and Trifunovic who are some of the laziest players I have ever seen were always 2 man down we when lose the ball.

My last point will be that Miller singed Trifunovic and Leonardo so as if he didn't know leonardo had a chronic knee problem and Trifunovic wasn't a lone striker type of player. Ill finish with we play in a league where there is no relegation so there is nothing to lose by setting up the team to have a dig push forward and maybe nick a goal or even TRY DIFFERENT TACTICS FOR ONCE.

[lquiquer]

New to the forum and ive seen alot of interesting comments regarding Miller. Unfortunately ive lost faith in Miller and JPM and ill tell you why. We have a Head Coach who was a fitness and assistant coach for almost a decade (not sure exactly how long he was at fullham) in England and an assistant coach who last season coached a team to a grand final win yet these two coaches can't come up with any better tactic than sit deep, don't commit man forward and hope for the best.

This head coach also plays people out of position, refuses to give youth a chance over certain first team players who have been beyond rubbish this season Watson Trifunovic Alidovic etc yet still play every game and ALMOST always makes defensive substitutions when we are trying to win a game or the game is in the balance and we need a spark. Also this so called defensive stability he has brought to the team is rubbish. We don't apply pressure to the ball carrier concede shots galore and rely on Birraz and BK to fingers crossed save everything or lets face it we lose 4-0 every week. Also if were going to play so defensive we need all 11 players working their buts off to defend and contain the opposition so by playing Carney and Trifunovic who are some of the laziest players I have ever seen were always 2 man down we when lose the ball.

My last point will be that Miller singed Trifunovic and Leonardo so as if he didn't know leonardo had a chronic knee problem and Trifunovic wasn't a lone striker type of player. Ill finish with we play in a league where there is no relegation so there is nothing to lose by setting up the team to have a dig push forward and maybe nick a goal or even TRY DIFFERENT TACTICS FOR ONCE.

Welcome to the circus ... And I can't argue any of your points... In contention for best first post of the year... ��

[Hunter403]

New to the forum and ive seen alot of interesting comments regarding Miller. Unfortunately ive lost faith in Miller and JPM and ill tell you why. We have a Head Coach who was a fitness and assistant coach for almost a decade (not sure exactly how long he was at fullham) in England and an assistant coach who last season coached a team to a grand final win yet these two coaches can't come up with any better tactic than sit deep, don't commit man forward and hope for the best.

This head coach also plays people out of position, refuses to give youth a chance over certain first team players who have been beyond rubbish this season Watson Trifunovic Alidovic etc yet still play every game and ALMOST always makes defensive substitutions when we are trying to win a game or the game is in the balance and we need a spark. Also this so called defensive stability he has brought to the team is rubbish. We don't apply pressure to the ball carrier concede shots galore and rely on Birraz and BK to fingers crossed save everything or lets face it we lose 4-0 every week. Also if were going to play so defensive we need all 11 players working their buts off to defend and contain the opposition so by playing Carney and Trifunovic who are some of the laziest players I have ever seen were always 2 man down we when lose the ball.

My last point will be that Miller singed Trifunovic and Leonardo so as if he didn't know leonardo had a chronic knee problem and Trifunovic wasn't a lone striker type of player. Ill finish with we play in a league where there is no relegation so there is nothing to lose by setting up the team to have a dig push forward and maybe nick a goal or even TRY DIFFERENT TACTICS FOR ONCE.

Nail? Meet head.

[plague]

Good to see the bloke running the Captain Obvious multi finally reveal himself.

Welcome aboard champion.

[furns]

Great first post

[StannyCFCJET]

Ill give miller credit for the way he treats the fans and has reconnected the club and players with the community but that's it.

[lquiquer]

Ill give miller credit for the way he treats the fans and has reconnected the club and players with the community but that's it.

Really???.... From best post to worst post ...

[StannyCFCJET]

He makes the players applaud the fans after games and has helped the jets establish good community outings.

[lquiquer]

He makes the players applaud the fans after games and has helped the jets establish good community outings.

In 10 years I've never felt so disconnected

[parksey]

New to the forum and ive seen alot of interesting comments regarding Miller. Unfortunately ive lost faith in Miller and JPM and ill tell you why. We have a Head Coach who was a fitness and assistant coach for almost a decade (not sure exactly how long he was at fullham) in England and an assistant coach who last season coached a team to a grand final win yet these two coaches can't come up with any better tactic than sit deep, don't commit man forward and hope for the best.

This head coach also plays people out of position, refuses to give youth a chance over certain first team players who have been beyond rubbish this season Watson Trifunovic Alidovic etc yet still play every game and ALMOST always makes defensive substitutions when we are trying to win a game or the game is in the balance and we need a spark. Also this so called defensive stability he has brought to the team is rubbish. We don't apply pressure to the ball carrier concede shots galore and rely on Birraz and BK to fingers crossed save everything or lets face it we lose 4-0 every week. Also if were going to play so defensive we need all 11 players working their buts off to defend and contain the opposition so by playing Carney and Trifunovic who are some of the laziest players I have ever seen were always 2 man down we when lose the ball.

My last point will be that Miller singed Trifunovic and Leonardo so as if he didn't know leonardo had a chronic knee problem and Trifunovic wasn't a lone striker type of player. Ill finish with we play in a league where there is no relegation so there is nothing to lose by setting up the team to have a dig push forward and maybe nick a goal or even TRY DIFFERENT TACTICS FOR ONCE.

love at first sight

[WolfMan]

Welcome - great post.

Only thing Ill say is the injury to Haliti might have forced the whole sole striker thing. No excuse though as we have other options for that role beside Trifunovic - they are just being ignored

[StannyCFCJET]

Did anyone see the Leicester v City game this morning?
Did anyone see what happened around the 60min mark?
Did anyone see Ranieri, and his £17m squad against a £309m squad comfortably holding a 0-0 draw?
Did anyone see at the 60min mark, knowing a point would take him equal top of the EPL, Ranieri decide he didn't want a draw, so he subs on a 2nd striker and tries to win the damn game.
So while a bunch of you would have cried into your weet-bix about squad sizes and money, a coach showed some balls and went out there to win the game regardless of what others thought of his squad.

Ranieri just clowned all of you defending Miller and his cowardly tactics.
Accept it, the bloke demands way more courage from his players than he's ever willing to supply himself.

I love this and its one of the things that i have critizised miller for. A good coach with good tactics can make any squad decent and competitive

[StannyCFCJET]

Facts are you aint improving as a coach
Facts are the team are not improving as a group
Facts are the players Birraz aside are showing no signs of improving as players

Facts are 8 games at home ONLY 4 goals scored

Facts are your failing

Away to Adelaide he quoted the stats and said we had 60% possession away from home so we did ok. He did this to hide the face we didnt shoot once or get out of our half. So Mr Miller YOU DO FOCUS ON STATS jesus our coach spouts soo much BS. Its like The Special One without the coaching ability to back it up. He also mentions the pass completion and possession every week but its easy to pass between centrebacks every week

[rhysd]

Sign him up to a 5 yr contract.

[StannyCFCJET]

Sign him up to a 5 yr contract.

along with watson and leonardo