Jones is Out (pg 49)

[The Dunster]

I really wanted Jones to do well but the evidence we have shows he's not up to the job and none of the current squad are up to the required standard either.

[Wilso8948]

The coach is shit.
The playing group is far shitter.
Pick whichever one you want to fix first.

[sammydog]

The coach is shit.
The playing group is far shitter.
Pick whichever one you want to fix first.

Sack Jones now, look for a new coach so they can have time in the off season to make change.

[WolfMan]

I really wanted Jones to do well but the evidence we have shows he's not up to the job and none of the current squad are up to the required standard either.

Team Dunster member here.

Not the most inspiring of management choices, but given the time constraints I understood the decision and was more than willing to give him a real shot.

He's had that shot now, and much like the team he manages, it's well off target.

Not th only thing wrong at the club, but change begins at the top

[Jetmaster]

Everything was ok up until Coffs....something is terribly wrong somewhere and I would not be surprised to see Lee pull the trigger BEFORE the season ends, especially if we lose the derby and Adelaide win again.
Winning the spoon would be terminal for Jones.

[Jardelsimage]

well for those who said Miller was shit, Jones is shitter........

[sammydog]

Everything was ok up until Coffs....something is terribly wrong somewhere and I would not be surprised to see Lee pull the trigger BEFORE the season ends, especially if we lose the derby and Adelaide win again.
Winning the spoon would be terminal for Jones.

Spoon or not, Lee needs to pull the trigger. Unless he is ok with mediocrity.

[MFKS]

Everything was ok up until Coffs....something is terribly wrong somewhere and I would not be surprised to see Lee pull the trigger BEFORE the season ends, especially if we lose the derby and Adelaide win again.
Winning the spoon would be terminal for Jones.

The way those blokes have played the ladt two weeks i backing a lot of them have been told their gone next season.

Sure looks like it.

Now most clubs wait until after the last game to deliver the news. Well the competent ones do

Wiuldnt surprise me if we trued to tell a pile of players to find new homes already and the ****ers have downed tools already

[lquiquer]

Everything was ok up until Coffs....something is terribly wrong somewhere and I would not be surprised to see Lee pull the trigger BEFORE the season ends, especially if we lose the derby and Adelaide win again.
Winning the spoon would be terminal for Jones.

Wasn't it just after Coffs that the Jerks took the Hoole offer off the table?

[The Dunster]

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[lquiquer]

Well if we going to play champions league in 2 years Mr Lee better start to spend $$$$

[sammydog]

The way those blokes have played the ladt two weeks i backing a lot of them have been told their gone next season.

Sure looks like it.

Now most clubs wait until after the last game to deliver the news. Well the competent ones do

Wiuldnt surprise me if we trued to tell a pile of players to find new homes already and the ****ers have downed tools already

Anything but attribute any of the blame at Jones.

If we were a competent club, he would be shown the door.

[MFKS]

Anything but attribute any of the blame at Jones.

If we were a competent club, he would be shown the door.
We aint a competent club.

Blame aint Jones for the cluster**** that is the Newcadtle Jets.

You can try blaming him tonight for what irritation your feeling but the reality is

Your letting the people who deserve the abuse for that to get off scot free

The Players have let every fan down today
The players have let their coaches down
The players have let the owner down


They are the ones who need the anger directed at them

[sammydog]

We aint a competent club.

Blame aint Jones for the cluster**** that is the Newcadtle Jets.

You can try blaming him tonight for what irritation your feeling but the reality is

Your letting the people who deserve the abuse for that to get off scot free

The Players have let every fan down today
The players have let their coaches down
The players have let the owner down


They are the ones who need the anger directed at them

So Jones has no part to play and is completely free from responsibility. Bullshit. He is as much in this as the rest.

The club let us down with its nepotism in employing jones.

The players have let us down, but jones has also let them down.

How you could be so critical of miller and Stubbins, yet defend Jones is beyond me. This teams results have dropped off as the season progressed, that as much if not more down to Jones than the players.

[turbojetfireV8]

f*ck me, the broom needs to start with the coach, he's the one supposed to be leading the way, all he's done is give the team a reason to fall into a heap, f*ck the khunt off now :mad:

[plague]

nah, CEO first, then this bloke.

[MFKS]

So Jones has no part to play and is completely free from responsibility. Bullshit. He is as much in this as the rest.

The club let us down with its nepotism in employing jones.

The players have let us down, but jones has also let them down.

How you could be so critical of miller and Stubbins, yet defend Jones is beyond me. This teams results have dropped off as the season progressed, that as much if not more down to Jones than the players.

The reason I am not bagging Jones as I recognise something here

Banging our heads against a wall changing coaches every season has achieved **** all for us


Hey we have done it again and again
Results speak for themselves

All you ****ers are doing right now is trying to repeat the situation again

Jones was never going to be able to fix the club this season when he come in at last minute

Where Jones opportunity is to turn this club around is and always has been is this off season and onwards

So me I happy to keep going down the road with Jones as until he has had an opportunity to address our short comings this off season anyone who says he can't coach is talking out of their arse.

Because no **** could coach these idiots to anything

[halo se7en]

So me I happy to keep going down the road with Jones as until he has had an opportunity to address our short comings this off season anyone who says he can't coach is talking out of their arse.

Well it's confirmed. You've been trolling us all this time. No one can be this ****ing stupid.

[sammydog]

Well it's confirmed. You've been trolling us all this time. No one can be this ****ing stupid.

Not sure why Jones deserves the benefit of the doubt. I'd put him as worse than miller and even stubbins.

He needs to be shown the door now. Jones isn't the person to rebuild the squad.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Not sure why Jones deserves the benefit of the doubt. I'd put him as worse than miller and even stubbins.

He needs to be shown the door now. Jones isn't the person to rebuild the squad.

At some point, we are going to have to stick to a manager for more than one season to they can try and get some continuity going. Sack jones, can see this all happening again next season with some other poor sod stuck with current shit players, your Wayne Browns etc

[MFKS]

At some point, we are going to have to stick to a manager for more than one season to they can try and get some continuity going. Sack jones, can see this all happening again next season with some other poor sod stuck with current shit players, your Wayne Browns etc

Bang on


Something some of you numpties need to accept.

Time to find the stability and patience

[sammydog]

Bang on


Something some of you numpties need to accept.

Time to find the stability and patience

So why not miller last year who at least seemed to be taking us forward?

[The Dunster]

You want a coach that quality players seek not a coach who seeks quality players with little to no chance of ever signing them.

You won't get any stability at the club until the team starts winning and that's not going to happen until everyone from the CEO down is gone - possibly even the owner.

[Frodo]

I think Jones won't last as a coach no matter what happens this off-season. He doesn't have the acumen or the demeanour to coach at this level yet. But sacking him now doesn't fix anything.

The Club needs to find an identity. Right now the only thing the players, coaches, rest of the league and everyone who watches us play imagines when they hear 'Newcastle Jets' is Wooden Spoon and Spineless.

The member and all those saying this team is rubbish are kidding themselves. If these players played to their potential we would make the finals easy. The fact that they aren't playing well is both the players fault and the coaching staff.

Those who think sacking Jones will fix our problem are also kidding themselves. We may as well keep him around until we have a plan in place, that way we can keep motoring on as shit club rather than being a basket case club again with no coach, players not getting paid and players being resigned without any thought process. Which wasn't that long ago.



My main takeaway from this season has been that we suck as bad as I expected we would and that McKinna better have just been a caretaker CEO. Get a decent CEO at the top and then work our way down.

[Frodo]

Bang on


Something some of you numpties need to accept.

Time to find the stability and patience

Missing out on finals football again is a sign of stability isn't it? Is it 7 years now?

Or do you just mean that Jones is pretty stocky bloke and looks like he could withstand a light shove with losing his balance?

[MFKS]

So why not miller last year who at least seemed to be taking us forward?

Personally I was less than impressed with the decision to relieve Miller of his role

Not because of me liking Miller which I didn't but because we once again had shot ourselves in the foot stability wise.

But that wasn't my doing that was Millers fault for being an arrogant enough **** with diplomacy skills lacking and not knowing how important face is to Asian males

But let's all worship the bloke who actually did **** our season up by signing these blokes then getting the arse due to his arrogance

[MFKS]

Missing out on finals football again is a sign of stability isn't it? Is it 7 years now?

Or do you just mean that Jones is pretty stocky bloke and looks like he could withstand a light shove with losing his balance?

I didn't expect us to make the finals this season with the squad we had.

You can jazz it up all you like but name me one of them that would be in the top 5 players at a rival club bar the Gypos??

We be lucky to have a player get in a rivals starting side

You and Parkesy need to stop smoking the wacky weed that blokes like Nabbout Hoole Nordstrand Brown Poljak Boogaard are at the elite level in the HAL

Because they ****ing aint

[Frodo]

I didn't expect us to make the finals this season with the squad we had.

You can jazz it up all you like but name me one of them that would be in the top 5 players at a rival club bar the Gypos??

We be lucky to have a player get in a rivals starting side

You and Parkesy need to stop smoking the wacky weed that blokes like Nabbout Hoole Nordstrand Brown Poljak Boogaard are at the elite level in the HAL

Because they ****ing aint


What is this shite? Elite players in the HAL? Name me 1?

The HAL is a mediocre competition for mediocre footballers. There are enough players on our squad to compete, the proof of which is in the fact that we have won games this year. Therefore your argument that the squad can't win is wrong.

I am not heaping praise on this team, merely stating that they are good enough to win games if they played to their potential. I am also definitely not saying that they have been playing anywhere near their potential for the last month or so.



But... Jones is a hack, surely you know this. Name me any squad that would take him as a head coach?

But he isn't the only reason we are a rubbish club.

[MFKS]

What is this shite? Elite players in the HAL? Name me 1?

The HAL is a mediocre competition for mediocre footballers. There are enough players on our squad to compete, the proof of which is in the fact that we have won games this year. Therefore your argument that the squad can't win is wrong.

I am not heaping praise on this team, merely stating that they are good enough to win games if they played to their potential. I am also definitely not saying that they have been playing anywhere near their potential for the last month or so.



But... Jones is a hack, surely you know this. Name me any squad that would take him as a head coach?

But he isn't the only reason we are a rubbish club.
Castro
Rojas
Berisha

There is 3 of them at the elite end of talent in the HAL

Now you tell me how far behind them in ability any one of our players is

You can pick any of the Jets you like


Also all clubs are good enough to win games if they play to their potential

So your point is irrelevant

If all clubs played to their potential we still don't make the finals as we don't have a side potential wise in the top 6 in the league

[The Dunster]

It's the lack of consistency and not being able to cope when things aren't going their way which makes the Jets a lost cause.

[lquiquer]

Castro
Rojas
Berisha

There is 3 of them at the elite end of talent in the HAL

Now you tell me how far behind them in ability any one of our players is

You can pick any of the Jets you like


Also all clubs are good enough to win games if they play to their potential

So your point is irrelevant

If all clubs played to their potential we still don't make the finals as we don't have a side potential wise in the top 6 in the league

I name you 3 who are not: georgievski, benkhalfala and o'donovan.....:lulzturtle:

[MFKS]

I name you 3 who are not: georgievski, benkhalfala and o'donovan.....:lulzturtle:

And those 3 are far superior to the shit at the club now.

2 of them are ****s too.

[steve136]

Jones is sh*t. Anyone he signs for next season will be sh*t. Jets will always be sh*t.

[StannyCFCJET]

I agree with need to stick by a manager. But some of you are calling for a manager that picks Kanta to start and Mullen at RB to stay. All i can say is GTFO with that bullshit

[MFKS]

I agree with need to stick by a manager. But some of you are calling for a manager that picks Kanta to start and Mullen at RB to stay. All i can say is GTFO with that bullshit

Yet you say that like we leaving Pogba out to accomodate Kanta and that Dani Alves is being over loiked in favour of Mullen

Hey Mullen aint any good and neither is Kanta but it aint like our options are much better

Poljak??
Brown??

Your having a laugh if they infinitely superior to Kanta

Hoffman ??
Cowburn ??
Not exactly infinitely superior than Mullen at RB

[StannyCFCJET]

Yet you say that like we leaving Pogba out to accomodate Kanta and that Dani Alves is being over loiked in favour of Mullen

Hey Mullen aint any good and neither is Kanta but it aint like our options are much better

Poljak??
Brown??

Your having a laugh if they infinitely superior to Kanta

Hoffman ??
Cowburn ??
Not exactly infinitely superior than Mullen at RB

Both the Hoff and Cowburn are miles better at RB then Mullen this has been proven this season and last season

Poijak and Stevie Ug are both better then Kanta at DM once again proven this season and last season.

Are these players quality **** no but their better then Mullen and Kanta but hey you continue jacking off to Jones Member and dont come crying to us when he is sacked either end of this season or early next season

[Jeterpool]

We can't pick and choose when we blame only the players or only the coach. It's a team sport and we win and lose as a team.

If the players aren't performing to their ability, isn't it Jones' job to motivate them or change the tactics in response? The players need to also look at themselves after the last few weeks.

If the club have already told players they aren't going to be around next year (as someone suggested that's how they looked) while we were challenging and still in contention for the finals then that's a serious under estimating the motivation of a footballer.

Our season has imploded. Nothing short of embarassing. All the goodwill that had been created following the Tinkler demise has erroded and next season people are going to respond by attacking the club where it hurts the most - by voting with their feet and not attending games and becoming members.

[monz6]

Both the Hoff and Cowburn are miles better at RB then Mullen this has been proven this season and last season

Poijak and Stevie Ug are both better then Kanta at DM once again proven this season and last season.

Are these players quality **** no but their better then Mullen and Kanta but hey you continue jacking off to Jones Member and dont come crying to us when he is sacked either end of this season or early next season

Yeah but he dropped those blokes for Mullen and Kanta when they were out of form. You're always going on about how we play players out of form. You can't have it both ways. You get up him for playing bad players but who is he meant to play? There aren't many good ones

[StannyCFCJET]

Yeah but he dropped those blokes for Mullen and Kanta when they were out of form. You're always going on about how we play players out of form. You can't have it both ways. You get up him for playing bad players but who is he meant to play? There aren't many good ones

Hoff wasnt doing too bad neither was Cowburn and Poijak and the players he dropped them for played far worse then the players he dropped.

[lquiquer]

We can't pick and choose when we blame only the players or only the coach. It's a team sport and we win and lose as a team.

If the players aren't performing to their ability, isn't it Jones' job to motivate them or change the tactics in response? The players need to also look at themselves after the last few weeks.

If the club have already told players they aren't going to be around next year (as someone suggested that's how they looked) while we were challenging and still in contention for the finals then that's a serious under estimating the motivation of a footballer.

Our season has imploded. Nothing short of embarassing. All the goodwill that had been created following the Tinkler demise has erroded and next season people are going to respond by attacking the club where it hurts the most - by voting with their feet and not attending games and becoming members.

Do you think the catalyst of the downfall coincide with the club taking the offer to Hoole off the table?

[Jeterpool]

Do you think the catalyst of the downfall coincide with the club taking the offer to Hoole off the table?

I think there's a few factors.

Hoole's form certainly dropped after that happened. He should have been tearing Parkhouse a new one yesterday to the point the bloke should have been scared to gove over halfway. Didn't happen.

Maybe the increased attention on Nabbout has been detrimental.

The pursuit of O'Donovan, the Chile deal, the knowledge a Chinese player will be on board and a Kokko and Brown being signed for next year can't have Poljak and Nordstrand feeling particularly secure. Nordstrand walked around and didn't press because he knows he's done here.

Ugarkovic looks lost since Poljak has been benched - a decison that has me dumbfounded because we look much better when he plays.

Cowburn and Vujica can't be feeling secure because of Georgevski's possible arrival.

The links with Thwaite probably has Mullen look around...not to mention the fact the bloke isn't a right back.

[MFKS]

Hoff wasnt doing too bad neither was Cowburn and Poijak and the players he dropped them for played far worse then the players he dropped.

Hoffman has been hooked from RB to try and fill the LB spot as we have no left back of note so it ain't like he being overlooked completely

Cowburn has done **** all all season long and had his chance at RB when Vujica done his hammy and choked

Poljak last he played was v Gypos
We were not in control of the game whilst he out there Kanta came on and we got control. We didn't win as the blokes up front don't have the ability to take advantage

You once again dribbling with your bias.
We all know you don't rate Mullen


You want some good news neither does Jones. He won't play him at CB and even tried to put Johnny K there yesterday to avoid playing Mullen

Unfortunately Johnny K was having a mare and got hooked at HT

Reading between the lines I backing Mullen on his way in a few weeks

[StannyCFCJET]

Hoffman has been hooked from RB to try and fill the LB spot as we have no left back of note so it ain't like he being overlooked completely

Cowburn has done **** all all season long and had his chance at RB when Vujica done his hammy and choked

Poljak last he played was v Gypos
We were not in control of the game whilst he out there Kanta came on and we got control. We didn't win as the blokes up front don't have the ability to take advantage

You once again dribbling with your bias.
We all know you don't rate Mullen


You want some good news neither does Jones. He won't play him at CB and even tried to put Johnny K there yesterday to avoid playing Mullen

Unfortunately Johnny K was having a mare and got hooked at HT

Reading between the lines I backing Mullen on his way in a few weeks

Jones doesnt rate Mullen? so plays him at RB for weeks even after Vujica is fit again and you say Cowburn done nothing but he obviously did enough to get into a young socceroos camp.

[Hunter403]

Jones clueless using his subs bench. His ability to pick players out of position is outstanding.

Looking at the way the players have performed over the last 6 weeks has me wondering if Jones has lost the dressing room

[evanhayes5]

Jones has lost the dressing room, no doubt about it.

So you either give him another year allowing him to reshuffle the entire/majority of players bring in guys who he thinks wants to play for him or sack him and sign another coach who can come in and perhaps work with whoever will be playing here next season.

With that being said I have seen a few posts here who have said we have played better in possession under Jones than we have under Miller. As someone who watches a lot of training sessions I can say this, the passing structure drills that Jones has implemented arent something new, these were/are the same drills that Miller did in preseason, which leads me to believe under Miller we would have been a possession based team rather than counter attacking. The passing drill is the same the pattern of passing is also the same, in fact Jones more often than not doesnt really even take this drill he lets Clayton Zane run it. He will only step in if someone makes a mistake.

Jones has implemented a lot more small sided games into training than compared to Miller, hence why I think we are fitter team than we were under scott miller. However there seems to be less shape work or even tactical walk throughs.

Now if you give him a season you have to think a) does he have the pull to sign players b) can he make finals with a full preseason with the players he wants c) if he goes who replaces him

[GazFish35]

players played like the last thing said prior to walking out was "youre all sacked next year"

[StannyCFCJET]

players played like the last thing said prior to walking out was "youre all sacked next year"

Based on majority of the season so they should be

[plague]

Problem is, everyone saying "give him his own players" are assuming he'll be able to bring in 'his' players.

Based on a salary cap, and the position the club is in, who are 'his' players and what makes you think they'll want to be part of this club?

Because if anyone thinks Georgevski, Thwaite etc are a massive step up then please explain, and let me know how we deal with the rest of the squad.

[StannyCFCJET]

Problem is, everyone saying "give him his own players" are assuming he'll be able to bring in 'his' players.

Based on a salary cap, and the position the club is in, who are 'his' players and what makes you think they'll want to be part of this club?

Because if anyone thinks Georgevski, Thwaite etc are a massive step up then please explain, and let me know how we deal with the rest of the squad.

Then Jones has to coach these players and play people in correct positions and play to players strengths

[halo se7en]

Problem is, everyone saying "give him his own players" are assuming he'll be able to bring in 'his' players.

Based on a salary cap, and the position the club is in, who are 'his' players and what makes you think they'll want to be part of this club?

Because if anyone thinks Georgevski, Thwaite etc are a massive step up then please explain, and let me know how we deal with the rest of the squad.

Yep. Plus he signed Johnny K, he resigned Jackson & Brown, tabled an offer to Hoole and wanted to resign Mullen. This might as well be his ****ing team.

[plague]

Correct.
So from an owner/CEO point of view they are asking what's best:
1. Replace the 10-15 players who seem to be the problem


Or


2. Replace the coach.

[white city]

Yep. Plus he signed Johnny K, he resigned Jackson & Brown, tabled an offer to Hoole and wanted to resign Mullen. This might as well be his ****ing team.

I doubt lawrie would want his mate sacked. There is obviously lots of disrest amongst the squad and some of jones's media comments theoughout the year wouldnt have helped the harmony in the dressing sheds. We need a coach who can bring in the players this club needs. It is this off season when we finally see Lee and his ambitions for the club!

[MFKS]

Problem is, everyone saying "give him his own players" are assuming he'll be able to bring in 'his' players.

Based on a salary cap, and the position the club is in, who are 'his' players and what makes you think they'll want to be part of this club?

Because if anyone thinks Georgevski, Thwaite etc are a massive step up then please explain, and let me know how we deal with the rest of the squad.

Hopefully they are mentally strong players determined to bust their arse for their fans every week

The last few weeks has shown us how bad the current crop are.

Where the **** was the leadership from the playing group yesterday??

Boogaard Brown Nordstrand Kokko Hoffman have played enough senior level football and the rest of them Johnny K aside are nit 10 game rookies either


Looking forwaed to Jones bringing in some steel and some ****s to have a ****ing go.

[StannyCFCJET]

Correct.
So from an owner/CEO point of view they are asking what's best:
1. Replace the 10-15 players who seem to be the problem


Or


2. Replace the coach who is also a problem.

Fixed

Also when have we ever seen players sacked before a coach. If Jones is sacked, Id have a big meeting with all the players to find out what made them down tools and also inform them that if it happens again they will face serious punishments from either Mr Lee or his management team

[MFKS]

Correct.
So from an owner/CEO point of view they are asking what's best:
1. Replace the 10-15 players who seem to be the problem


Or


2. Replace the coach.

If you replace the coach you still need to replace the shit players so the simple solution is to get the coach to raise the required standard for getting a contract at the club.

[Grimario]

God, can't wait till we get a team full of LET'S HAVE A GO, **** players. Proper Newy. **** winning, just kick the shit out of people and bleed for the shirt.

[StannyCFCJET]

If you replace the coach you still need to replace the shit players so the simple solution is to get the coach to raise the required standard for getting a contract at the club.

Look at Chelsea our players downed tools under Jose, Conte comes in basically same squad and where performing at top level again (Yes I know jets players arn't of that quality). We need a coach who has high standards enough that any lack of effort or performances not meeting first team standard will result in time on the sidelines not playing or starting next week. Do you think Arnold keeps picking players who under perform or accepts lack of effort? That is the standard we need to strive for. Id 100% have Lord Griff more involved around the first team to help install his win at all costs attitude.

[MFKS]

Fixed

Also when have we ever seen players sacked before a coach. If Jones is sacked, Id have a big meeting with all the players to find out what made them down tools and also inform them that if it happens again they will face serious punishments from either Mr Lee or his management team

That is complete shit

If you have a team full of talent you may take that stance.

We have a team full of shite.

If they downed tools it probably because someone has told them they are shit and they are 100% correct with this assessment

If Jones gets the arse it wont change the reality that these blokes are not HAL standard so why you want to have a meeting with them because you shouldnt be keeping them anyway??

[StannyCFCJET]

That is complete shit

If you have a team full of talent you may take that stance.

We have a team full of shite.

If they downed tools it probably because someone has told them they are shit and they are 100% correct with this assessment

If Jones gets the arse it wont change the reality that these blokes are not HAL standard so why you want to have a meeting with them because you shouldnt be keeping them anyway??

Some of these players are HAL standard though not top level but at least Middle standard. Stevie U under miller looked real class last year. Chuck him in one of the top teams and he'd kill it.

Boogard and Poijak are average HAL players. Hell Poijak has won a minor premiership at WSFC. They performed at other clubs and Performed most of the time under Miller so what has changed?? answer is Jones.

Look at last year when we were out of finals contention we didnt give up, Players keep playing and we ended up flogging the gypos. I was warming up to Jones and then he was found at and we've imploded. Obviously stuff has happened behind the scenes and that's both parties faults. But when your playing players out of position and bringing on defenders when the team is losing (Yes i realise Miller did this a swell. But he stopped that once he found some decent signings in January which if i recall Jones and Co couldnt find anyone to sign and we had more resources this season) and not changing things up that Arn't working you cant actually expect to keep your job.

[MFKS]

Look at Chelsea our players downed tools under Jose, Conte comes in basically same squad and where performing at top level again (Yes I know jets players arn't of that quality). We need a coach who has high standards enough that any lack of effort or performances not meeting first team standard will result in time on the sidelines not playing or starting next week. Do you think Arnold keeps picking players who under perform or accepts lack of effort? That is the standard we need to strive for. Id 100% have Lord Griff more involved around the first team to help install his win at all costs attitude.

Maybe if Jones had the luxury he could do that but until he signs some players it abit hard for him to replace players not performing when he doesnt have quality options.

Poljak dont perform and he left pickung Kanta or Brown

Kokko doesnt perform and we left to try putting who up front???


No depth
No quality


Until you actually let the bloke make a few signings which neither Lee or McKinna have provided him how the **** can you talk about his standards

So far he has to use the current squad and has been backed by Ledman to sign SA state league players

Maybe Jones has actually called these blokes on their effort performance etc as he has higher standards he wants than they are delivering and that why they playing the way they are

[plague]

During that 'good' run mid season where (most) agreed that the football was better to watch, am I crazy for thinking the front 6 was a fairly consistent run of Uge/Poljak, Hoole/Nabbout, Chinese Messi/Nobby?

Is that how others remember it?

[evanhayes5]

I just think Jones is tactically inept, why would you play Hoffman or Johnny K at left back when Vujica is there? Pre-injury he was playing well i would say.

In the A-league off seasons most coaches go to europe or south america to scout players, Popa for example, albeit his visa signings this seasons have been shit, there is a proactive approach in trying to make the squad better. Does anyone really think Jones is the sort of coach to do this? He'll most likely go to asia, holiday there, and say he was scouting some asian players.


The only way he will be able to attract players is by paying overs for them, i.e Petratos.

[The Dunster]

During that 'good' run mid season where (most) agreed that the football was better to watch, am I crazy for thinking the front 6 was a fairly consistent run of Uge/Poljak, Hoole/Nabbout, Chinese Messi/Nobby?

Is that how others remember it?

Yes. That's exactly how it was. As soon as Jones started putting his stamp on the team and ****ing about with a winning formula it all went to shit.

[plague]

Popa for example, albeit his visa signings this seasons have been shit, there is a proactive approach in trying to make the squad better.

Martinez is dope.

But I hear ya.

[parksey]

The reason I am not bagging Jones as I recognise something here

Banging our heads against a wall changing coaches every season has achieved **** all for us


Hey we have done it again and again
Results speak for themselves

All you ****ers are doing right now is trying to repeat the situation again

Jones was never going to be able to fix the club this season when he come in at last minute

Where Jones opportunity is to turn this club around is and always has been is this off season and onwards

So me I happy to keep going down the road with Jones as until he has had an opportunity to address our short comings this off season anyone who says he can't coach is talking out of their arse.

Because no **** could coach these idiots to anything

You say this like we don't have a complete squad overhaul every season too.

Fact is we haven't had a genuinely good coach in how long? Maybe ever.

[380]

Yes to your summary Plague and this need of Jones to fart ass about with several changes to accommodate one out.

[plague]

Yes to your summary Plague and this need of Jones to fart ass about with several changes to accommodate one out.

didnt someone get injured/suspended? but then we never went back to that group?

just wondering why it seemed we went away from it.



also, put a 'better' striker at the top of that group and (if we're rollin in cash) a more consistent #10 that Lei Lei and id rate our chances against any team.

now, as for the 4 behind them. geez, good luck with that.

[furns]

disrest
Can confirm this is not actually a word

[Grimario]

Yes. That's exactly how it was. As soon as Jones started putting his stamp on the team and ****ing about with a winning formula it all went to shit.

Did it also coincide with a left footed left back playing at left back and not a converted striker/winger/right back or right back/centre back/centre mid being stuck there?

[The Dunster]

Did it also coincide with a left footed left back playing at left back and not a converted striker/winger/right back or right back/centre back/centre mid being stuck there?

Yup.

[Wilso8948]

didnt someone get injured/suspended? but then we never went back to that group?

just wondering why it seemed we went away from it.



also, put a 'better' striker at the top of that group and (if we're rollin in cash) a more consistent #10 that Lei Lei and id rate our chances against any team.

now, as for the 4 behind them. geez, good luck with that.

Chinese bloke was suspended. Then everyone cried cause Kokko wasn't included. Then he scored a tap in v the shit gypo team. Then everyone cheered. Then he stayed in the team. Then everyone realised we still just shit.

[white city]

Can confirm this is not actually a word

yes very true :D, i meant unrest

[plague]

yes very true :D, i meant unrest

Nah, disrest is a better word.
Keep using it.
Don't let those grammar nerdy nerdz boss you around.


Members' got a whole library of words that no one understands, but it works.

[StannyCFCJET]

Members' got a whole library of words that no one understands, but it works.


:lulzturtle: :lulzturtle: :lulzturtle: :lulzturtle: :lulzturtle:

[MFKS]

Nah, disrest is a better word.
Keep using it.
Don't let those grammar nerdy nerdz boss you around.


Members' got a whole library of words that no one understands, but it works.

Turning the spell checker off on a tiny shitty phone sees me create new ones every day

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Correct.
So from an owner/CEO point of view they are asking what's best:
1. Replace the 10-15 players who seem to be the problem


Or


2. Replace the coach.

Whats cheaper?

[plague]

Whats cheaper?

Yup.

[StannyCFCJET]

Any decent Manager makes subs or tactical changes at half time.

[The Dunster]

I have a feeling this thread might be redundant by Monday. I cannot see Jones keeping his job.

[weston]

Jones out!

[belchardo]

take most of the team with you please.

[westjet]

For those who talk about keeping Jones for stability, give him time to make his own squads I have one question.
Of all our players this year who would you say Jones has improved throughout the season?
The only players I think have improved throughout the season are Duncan and jonny k. Apart from that they have all gone backwards as the season progressed. Some were good early in the season but you could argue that had as much to do with miller as jones.
To me it doesnt matter how many coaches we have had in the last few seasons. Jones hasnt improved the players so needs to go.

[hawk]

The Jones supporters eat sh1t in the douche box. gtfo with him.

[skullboy]

Parking in the Supaputt canteen - $10
Season tickets to see the Jets - way too f#$king much
Jones' substitutions tonight - pricele$$

Jones out.

[MFKS]

For those who talk about keeping Jones for stability, give him time to make his own squads I have one question.
Of all our players this year who would you say Jones has improved throughout the season?
The only players I think have improved throughout the season are Duncan and jonny k. Apart from that they have all gone backwards as the season progressed. Some were good early in the season but you could argue that had as much to do with miller as jones.
To me it doesnt matter how many coaches we have had in the last few seasons. Jones hasnt improved the players so needs to go.

They have all gone to shit in the last 6-8 weeks.

But for a start Raheem and Nabbout have definitely improved. Add that to Johnny K and Duncan and there 4

Also it hard to polish a turd.

Take today for example the amount of attack we had we should have got on the board. We didn't not because of great defending but shitful wastage from us.

Did Janjetovic make a save??

In defence we were not put under a hell of a lot of pressure. But our desperation to defend our goal was lacking

I really don't give a **** what you say about it being the coaches job to motivate the players.
It isn't

As a paid professional it is up to them to turn up and compete.

What we saw today was them not competing

Players need to go as they lacking in execution and then they lack in heart.

That is not fixable

[StannyCFCJET]

They have all gone to shit in the last 6-8 weeks.

But for a start Raheem and Nabbout have definitely improved. Add that to Johnny K and Duncan and there 4

Also it hard to polish a turd.

Take today for example the amount of attack we had we should have got on the board. We didn't not because of great defending but shitful wastage from us.

Did Janjetovic make a save??

In defence we were not put under a hell of a lot of pressure. But our desperation to defend our goal was lacking

I really don't give a **** what you say about it being the coaches job to motivate the players.
It isn't

As a paid professional it is up to them to turn up and compete.

What we saw today was them not competing

Players need to go as they lacking in execution and then they lack in heart.

That is not fixable

Stop defending Jones ffs the players and THE COACH share equal blame for this cluster ****. Yes their shit but he is the one with the shit tactics and squad choices not mention his subs

[MFKS]

Stop defending Jones ffs the players and THE COACH share equal blame for this cluster ****. Yes their shit but he is the one with the shit tactics and squad choices not mention his subs

So what was wrong with his subs today??
How did they cost us the game

As for his selections. There only so much recycling of the same shit under performing ****s one can do.

Forget your mate Mullen

It going to be hard for Jones next week to justify picking Boogaard or Jackson who have both been abysmal the last 2-3 weeks

Exactly what can he do with his squad selections then??
It ain't like he leaving 12 better players out of the side each week.

There all as shit as one another

[mervan]

So what was wrong with his subs today??
How did they cost us the game

As for his selections. There only so much recycling of the same shit under performing ****s one can do.

Forget your mate Mullen

It going to be hard for Jones next week to justify picking Boogaard or Jackson who have both been abysmal the last 2-3 weeks

Exactly what can he do with his squad selections then??
It ain't like he leaving 12 better players out of the side each week.

There all as shit as one another

jones had lost the dressing room weeks ago, kept putting it on the players, Lawrie should get his other cousin to coach them, the clubs #basketcase, that includes the egghead(he started this), send the franchise to Wollongong and save us all some money

[Tommyjet]

They have all gone to shit in the last 6-8 weeks.

But for a start Raheem and Nabbout have definitely improved. Add that to Johnny K and Duncan and there 4

Also it hard to polish a turd.

Take today for example the amount of attack we had we should have got on the board. We didn't not because of great defending but shitful wastage from us.

Did Janjetovic make a save??

In defence we were not put under a hell of a lot of pressure. But our desperation to defend our goal was lacking

I really don't give a **** what you say about it being the coaches job to motivate the players.
It isn't

As a paid professional it is up to them to turn up and compete.

What we saw today was them not competing

Players need to go as they lacking in execution and then they lack in heart.

That is not fixable

SeriouslyTalking out your arse

[halo se7en]

The pro-Jones camp seems to have shrunk to one delusional person.

I hope Mark isn't too miserable at your next family dinner after he's sacked MFKS.

[skullboy]

I have never been vitriolic about what an appalling choice Jones was as the manager of this club but made my comments here and there. But I never thought he was up to it.

I played against him in juniors at both club and rep level and for a few years in seniors and he always seemed like a decent enough guy. Not too skillful, not too bright, but a decent enough guy.

This year as manager he has been absolute rubbish. Absolute rubbish. I'll put up with that to a degree, but when you start blaming your own incompetence on others I am not on board.

I just watched the replay (yes I am a masochist) and watched this absolute arseclown tear Hoffman a new arsehole when he was replaced.

Hoffman is a right fullback who has been playing left full back for a couple weeks due to Jones' poor selections. He then pushed Hoffman to left-mid to replace Hoole and then blew up and replaced Hoffman with Haliti minutes later. If he had done a straight swap with Haliti (who was one of the best on park) and Hoole maybe the wasted sub wasn't needed.

What did Hoffman do to warrant that dressing down?

Vitriol initiated. Get this Khunt out of my club. NOW

[belchardo]

second gem from his post match interview with fox was basically "next week is just another match". another match, you moron, that just happens to be against our most bitter rivals and could well decide who gets the wooden spoon.

[Jeterpool]

second gem from his post match interview with fox was basically "next week is just another match". another match, you moron, that just happens to be against our most bitter rivals and could well decide who gets the wooden spoon.

Is he ****ing serious!?!??!

[Jetmaster]

I have been willing to give him a chance right up until that Fox interview last night. He looked like a deer in headlights and was mumbling rubbish. Then was bagged afterwards by Bozza for swearing live on the interview.

[Hunter403]

He looked dazed/confused/lost/drugged ( take your choice) in that interview. Very unprofessional performance

[belchardo]

shellshocked is what i thought. just looks like a man who has no idea how he got to where he is, and even less about how to get out of there.

[belchardo]

second gem from his post match interview with fox was basically "next week is just another match". another match, you moron, that just happens to be against our most bitter rivals and could well decide who gets the wooden spoon.

here's the video for your viewing pleasure

http://www.foxsports.com.au/video/football/a-league/hoole-cops-it-from-coach!616106

[The Dunster]

I think the fact that Jones didn't punch any of his players last night showed more than enough professionalism.
The next two games for me at least mean nothing. The season is over for the Jets and whether they win the last two games or lose them really doesn't mean a lot.
The Jets have simply not scored enough goals this season and until that changes a top six finish is unlikely.

It's easy to blame Jones and I'm sure the players will rally against him soon rather than face up to the reality that they were the ones that failed to get the job done.

The Jets need to be euthanized so a new franchise can be rolled out and a new chapter in Newcastle football can begin.

[monz6]

I have been willing to give him a chance right up until that Fox interview last night. He looked like a deer in headlights and was mumbling rubbish. Then was bagged afterwards by Bozza for swearing live on the interview.

Bagged? Really? I must have watched something different

[monz6]

End of the day the next coach (whether he's a tactical genius or not) will have one of these threads made for him. Players aren't up to it. People call the member dillusional for supporting jones, but thinking getting a new coach with the players we have (plus DJ and minus Hoole) will fix things is just as dillusional

[monz6]

End of the day the next coach (whether he's a tactical genius or not) will have one of these threads made for him. Players aren't up to it. People call the member dillusional for supporting jones, but thinking getting a new coach with the players we have (plus DJ and minus Hoole) will fix things is just as dillusional

Him or her*

[Jetmaster]

Bagged? Really? I must have watched something different

I have the recording so I can quote if you like, but Bozza intimated that things like Clacka abusing players on the the field (should be behind closed doors) and Jones dropping the "f Bomb" (Bozza's words) are signs of unprofessionalism.

[StannyCFCJET]

End of the day the next coach (whether he's a tactical genius or not) will have one of these threads made for him. Players aren't up to it. People call the member dillusional for supporting jones, but thinking getting a new coach with the players we have (plus DJ and minus Hoole) will fix things is just as dillusional

Yeah but Jones has shown he cant take us forward or improve players so he has to go as well

[Jeterpool]

I have the recording so I can quote if you like, but Bozza intimated that things like Clacka abusing players on the the field (should be behind closed doors) and Jones dropping the "f Bomb" (Bozza's words) are signs of unprofessionalism.

Showing the desired level of mongrel perhaps?

[StannyCFCJET]

I have the recording so I can quote if you like, but Bozza intimated that things like Clacka abusing players on the the field (should be behind closed doors) and Jones dropping the "f Bomb" (Bozza's words) are signs of unprofessionalism.

Bozza cant talk about professionalism some of stuff he ends up talking about on Fox is beyond unprofessional.

[plague]

Bozza cant talk about professionalism some of stuff he ends up talking about on Fox is beyond unprofessional.

He's an entertainer.
What standards do you expect from him?

[plague]

and yeah look the Zane thing is just a trickle down from the Boss throwing players under the bus.

If Jones kept that shit private there's no way Zane clowns himself like that.

But yeah yeah fire and brimstone and all that.

Working well.

[monz6]

Yeah but Jones has shown he cant take us forward or improve players so he has to go as well

I don't disagree.

[MFKS]

I have the recording so I can quote if you like, but Bozza intimated that things like Clacka abusing players on the the field (should be behind closed doors) and Jones dropping the "f Bomb" (Bozza's words) are signs of unprofessionalism.

And so is snorting coke as a professional player

And so is laughing like an idiot all the time when you are meant to be professional and offer opinion on the game

Like that bloke can talk

[The Dunster]

I hardly think watching teletubbies and doing 8 grams of coke a day is very professional either Bozza.
And if cash is short you can always get the missus to **** the dealer for a line of credit.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6EfFr4BLORQ/SUOGWTrTKaI/AAAAAAAAEk4/U6yOxnUM5io/s400/bosnich02.jpg

[Jetmaster]

Ah love it ! We're bashing the Boz.

[The Dunster]

http://i1.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article10257993.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Mark-Bosnich.jpg

[MFKS]

http://i1.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article10257993.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Mark-Bosnich.jpg

How did we forget that??

[pv4]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/video/football/a-league/hoole-cops-it-from-coach!616106

Anyone catch Jones' on-field post-game interview? He said "Derby, i don't care. It's just another game".

I thought the entire premise of hiring Jones was he was a local who understood what it meant to be from Newy and knew what the fans wanted.

Less points than last year. With a better squad than last year. And then this comment about the derby.

Sack him, immediately.

[q-money]

thing is i don't think anyone else cares either ay

[lquiquer]

thing is i don't think anyone else cares either ay

I do

[plague]

Listen, not that im an expert*


but


8 grams a day is ****ing insane.

like serious.

and you know Bozza aint getting no garbage either.

hes getting the Sth American purity.


but yeah 8 grams. thats a nudge.












*honest

[The Dunster]

Listen, not that im an expert*


but


8 grams a day is ****ing insane.

like serious.

and you know Bozza aint getting no garbage either.

hes getting the Sth American purity.


but yeah 8 grams. thats a nudge.












*honest

About $15k a week or so back then - pretty good effort.

Source: Mates who shared a flat in London in the early 1990's.

[plague]

And so is snorting coke as a professional player

And so is laughing like an idiot all the time when you are meant to be professional and offer opinion on the game

Like that bloke can talk

whoa whoa whoa
hold up a minute.


exactly why do you think Bozza, Slater, Kozzie etc are on the telly?

[plague]

About $15k a week or so back then - pretty good effort.

Source: Mates who shared a flat in London in the early 1990's.

nows a days* its about $4k, and its still a lot of money.


1/2 that if you have a mate in Mexico who has your P.O Box number*






*apparently

[pv4]

* :rof:

[pv4]

thing is i don't think anyone else cares either ay

Thing is they hired Jones because apparently he was a local who understood it.

And clearly he doesn't.

Scott Miller got more points in the season and understood the derby..

[MFKS]

Thing is they hired Jones because apparently he was a local who understood it.

And clearly he doesn't.

Scott Miller got more points in the season and understood the derby..

Yeah but Jones has set himself up to be the man who handed the Gypos the spoon on their own turf.

If we get the biscuits Sunday and it is possible as they are just as shit as we are.

The bloke will have provided us with the greatest moment in Newy football since the day Griff scored the winner in the GF

[Jeterpool]

Yeah but Jones has set himself up to be the man who handed the Gypos the spoon on their own turf.

If we get the biscuits Sunday and it is possible as they are just as shit as we are.

The bloke will have provided us with the greatest moment in Newy football since the day Griff scored the winner in the GF

#glasshalffull

[belchardo]

#glasshalffull

#clutchingatstraws

[MFKS]

#glasshalffull

Hey it is possible.

You watch that capitulation from the Gypos last night??

They are in just as good form as we are.

[StannyCFCJET]

Yeah but Jones has set himself up to be the man who handed the Gypos the spoon on their own turf.

If we get the biscuits Sunday and it is possible as they are just as shit as we are.

The bloke will have provided us with the greatest moment in Newy football since the day Griff scored the winner in the GF

You sir are highly delusional. Miller gave us two wins in Gypo land including a 4-2 smashing of the gypos. Miller>Jones

[StannyCFCJET]

You also are quick to blame our shit players but are happy to hold off judgement on Jones when there is loads evidence proving he is incompetent.

[Jeterpool]

Hey it is possible.

You watch that capitulation from the Gypos last night??

They are in just as good form as we are.

Honestly, I couldn't bring myself to watch it. And yes, I just looked at that - neither team has picked up a point since the last derby. One key difference is, however, they're scoring goals - we aren't.

[StannyCFCJET]

Honestly, I couldn't bring myself to watch it. And yes, I just looked at that - neither team has picked up a point since the last derby. One key difference is, however, they're scoring goals - we aren't.

They question should be do we back our defense to stop Odonovan from scoring against us??? Sadly the Answer will be no,Especially if Jones picks the same back 4 again. Feel sorry for Vujica and Cowburn. Cowburn in particular looked a different player when he came on against WSW (Aussie Camp must've done wonders.) surely he's done enough to force Hoff to RB and he plays at LB

[MFKS]

You sir are highly delusional. Miller gave us two wins in Gypo land including a 4-2 smashing of the gypos. Miller>Jones

Yeah let's all fap about beating an NPL level side 4-2

We should have thumped them by more that night.

The fact we only won by 2 is nothing to brag about

Other thing to note is that Gypo side is arguably the worst HAL outfit bar maybe the NZ Knights

[StannyCFCJET]

Yeah let's all fap about beating an NPL level side 4-2

We should have thumped them by more that night.

The fact we only won by 2 is nothing to brag about

Other thing to note is that Gypo side is arguably the worst HAL outfit bar maybe the NZ Knights

Mate our Stubbins team going off Onfield performances was worse than the mariners last year

[MFKS]

You also are quick to blame our shit players but are happy to hold off judgement on Jones when there is loads evidence proving he is incompetent.

You are naive and delusional if you think Jones is our issue.

Gypo CEO and Lee have left him high and dry by a complete lack of support.

Off season is coming and this will be the time he gets support or the issue lies squarely at their feet

[StannyCFCJET]

You are naive and delusional if you think Jones is our issue.

Gypo CEO and Lee have left him high and dry by a complete lack of support.

Off season is coming and this will be the time he gets support or the issue lies squarely at their feet

Miller had less resources and support and did a better job then Jones. Just let that sink in

[Grimario]

Yeah let's all fap about beating an NPL level side 4-2

Says the guy who can't stop frothing at the mouth about dear leader who lead us to a 5-0 thumping against a massively under strength Wellington side.

[MonkeyKplunk]

Derby really is just another game now.
The tradition of that game is lost on many players and fans these days.

Even the freeway has a new name now, and the M1 Derby just doesn't have the same ring to it.


Honestly, I couldn't bring myself to watch it. And yes, I just looked at that - neither team has picked up a point since the last derby. One key difference is, however, they're scoring goals - we aren't.

Jeterpool has it right here though.
They might have been struggling for wins as much as we have over the last couple of months, but the major difference is they've been putting goals in the net.
We can't even manage to figure out that if going deep and crossing into the box isn't working against a team we should actually shoot from outside the box once in a while to mix it up.

[westjet]

You are naive and delusional if you think Jones is our issue.

Gypo CEO and Lee have left him high and dry by a complete lack of support.

Off season is coming and this will be the time he gets support or the issue lies squarely at their feet

Gee I love your hypocrisy. What did you think the FFA did with Miller? Every time you go on this rant it makes me laugh. Miller and Jones both have some obvious flaws with their coaching, both have been let down by the owners when it comes to money for signing new players, yet you paint Miller as the worst thing to happen to Newcastle but Jones needs to be given a chance.

[MFKS]

Miller had less resources and support and did a better job then Jones. Just let that sink in

Miller had a whole 4 months of a pre season and input into signing a lot of last season's squad

Jones had 1-2 weeks of a pre season and has been given SA NPL level players as signings

Just let that sink in

Because they are FACTS

[MFKS]

Mate our Stubbins team going off Onfield performances was worse than the mariners last year

Both were shit.

Gypos had a team not up to scratch

Muppet had a team who under achieved


So my point still stands that the Gypos were arguably the worst HAL outfit since the Kiwis

[plague]

and has been given SA NPL level players as signings


when did Tarek come back? must have missed it.

[pv4]

Jones had 1-2 weeks of a pre season and has been given SA NPL level players as signings

Given, or chosen?

Regardless of the setup he had to use, McKinna and co always said the incoming coach had to be happy and stand by the squad. And IMO it is a better squad than Miller had to work with.

[StannyCFCJET]

Miller had a whole 4 months of a pre season and input into signing a lot of last season's squad

Jones had 1-2 weeks of a pre season and has been given SA NPL level players as signings

Just let that sink in

Because they are FACTS

Ok Justify why Hoff is playing LB Mullen is playing RB and Cowburn and Vujica are riding the pine when towards December and January when we had Fullbacks who were on their right sides and positions our defense was much more stable. Also justify why Poijak was dropped for no reason several weeks back and around this time our midfield and in particular Stevie U turned to the shittest its been all season. Also why has an attack that was to a level firing around this time suddenly become non existent. These players were performing then and we were a massive maybe of making the six and since then we've gone backwards by a mile. Are the players turning to shit all down to them or Does Jones changing it up or possibly changing his tactics not play a massive part in our downfall. (In b4 you blame no resources and lack of pre season lalalala)

[WolfMan]

given, or chosen?

Regardless of the setup he had to use, mckinna and co always said the incoming coach had to be happy and stand by the squad. And imo it is a better squad than miller had to work with.

qft

[The Dunster]

Ok Justify why Hoff is playing LB Mullen is playing RB and Cowburn and Vujica are riding the pine when towards December and January when we had Fullbacks who were on their right sides and positions our defense was much more stable. Also justify why Poijak was dropped for no reason several weeks back and around this time our midfield and in particular Stevie U turned to the shittest its been all season. Also why has an attack that was to a level firing around this time suddenly become non existent. These players were performing then and we were a massive maybe of making the six and since then we've gone backwards by a mile. Are the players turning to shit all down to them or Does Jones changing it up or possibly changing his tactics not play a massive part in our downfall. (In b4 you blame no resources and lack of pre season lalalala)

The Jets dominated the wanderers for large portions of the game and yet lost 3-0 due to a few individual errors - and not by any of the players you have mentioned either.
In front of goal the Jets lacked composure and failed to capitalise - had the done so it would have been an entirely different result.
The problem is we don't have a genuine goal scorer. Kokko hasn't worker out, Nobby lacks the engines, and Labi has never really had the strike rate in front to be a genuine starting striker.
The tactics themselves have been fine - it's simply the lack of goals killing the team.

I admittedly don't have the football knowledge of a lot of people here but I don't believe this seasons squad is stronger than last seasons - and it's certainly nowhere near as good as we had when Heskey, Taggs, Ryu, Zads.. and so on were playing.

[hawk]

Lee's can take 50% offault as well.

If he didnt skitz out and sack Miller for no reason we would have been a little better off in the short term and lot better in the long term.

[StannyCFCJET]

The Jets dominated the wanderers for large portions of the game and yet lost 3-0 due to a few individual errors - and not by any of the players you have mentioned either.
In front of goal the Jets lacked composure and failed to capitalise - had the done so it would have been an entirely different result.
The problem is we don't have a genuine goal scorer. Kokko hasn't worker out, Nobby lacks the engines, and Labi has never really had the strike rate in front to be a genuine starting striker.
The tactics themselves have been fine - it's simply the lack of goals killing the team.

I admittedly don't have the football knowledge of a lot of people here but I don't believe this seasons squad is stronger than last seasons - and it's certainly nowhere near as good as we had when Heskey, Taggs, Ryu, Zads.. and so on were playing.

We havent been creating anything for weeks. Even against WSW when we created a few chances we looked nowhere near scoring. Labi may lack scoring rate but he has alot of work rate and passion something this team needs in abundance.

[MFKS]

Given, or chosen?

Regardless of the setup he had to use, McKinna and co always said the incoming coach had to be happy and stand by the squad. And IMO it is a better squad than Miller had to work with.

Better squad??

Please please enlighten me who is better this season than last??

It a serious question because

Birraz
LeakyG
Devon Head
Leonardo
Milos

Are easily 5 superior players than their replacements

[MFKS]

We havent been creating anything for weeks. Even against WSW when we created a few chances we looked nowhere near scoring. Labi may lack scoring rate but he has alot of work rate and passion something this team needs in abundance.

I think you completely miss Dunsters point.

When we get into a position the blokes we have don't have the ability to consistently put it away.

Have a look at what we butchering

Nordstrand tries giving it to Nabbout instead of pulling the trigger

We also butchered one v Heart the other week before they score or the one where Nordstrand miss from under the bar v Heart

All simple chances we take and we 1-0 up

Whose fault is this??

It the players inability to execute

Has nothing to do with Ledman
Has nothing to do with McKinna
Has nothing to do with Jones

It up to the players to execute. We create chances and then don't take them again and again and again

[Jeterpool]

Lee's can take 50% offault as well.

If he didnt skitz out and sack Miller for no reason we would have been a little better off in the short term and lot better in the long term.

And this, people, is the truth bomb. Regardless of what led up to the decision, if Miller hadn't been sacked we would have had some stability for the first time in ages.

I had a thought about the number of people stating they won't be back next season and why there is a fondness for Miller, even now. Even though his man management at times was apparently indifferent and he had an ego, Scott Miller marked a move away from the same-old people involved in the club for the last 7 years that have been unsuccessful - like Deans, Zane, Jones. He brought an expectation of European professionalism to the team, a youthful energy and fresh ideas. He was someone external to the club who was coming in without pre-conceived ideas or perceptions.

The move back to Jones and Zane, perhaps for some, marked the return to the old ways of the club. People are just fed up with the medocrity. Last season marked progress both on and off the field - sponsors, an improved table position and some good wins late in the year. That's all that we can say about Miller's time.

Maybe in the end it would have all turned to shit as it has this season, but we will never know.

[MFKS]

Lee's can take 50% offault as well.

If he didnt skitz out and sack Miller for no reason we would have been a little better off in the short term and lot better in the long term.

What you mean he sacked Miller for no reason??

Miller had the insanity to try being insubordinate to his superior

Asians it all about "FACE"

Maybe he wasn't such an ego he would have known this

[white city]

And this, people, is the truth bomb. Regardless of what led up to the decision, if Miller hadn't been sacked we would have had some stability for the first time in ages.

I had a thought about the number of people stating they won't be back next season and why there is a fondness for Miller, even now. Even though his man management at times was apparently indifferent and he had an ego, Scott Miller marked a move away from the same-old people involved in the club for the last 7 years that have been unsuccessful - like Deans, Zane, Jones. He brought an expectation of European professionalism to the team, a youthful energy and fresh ideas. He was someone external to the club who was coming in without pre-conceived ideas or perceptions.

The move back to Jones and Zane, perhaps for some, marked the return to the old ways of the club. People are just fed up with the medocrity. Last season marked progress both on and off the field - sponsors, an improved table position and some good wins late in the year. That's all that we can say about Miller's time.

Maybe in the end it would have all turned to shit as it has this season, but we will never know.

totally agree with the above!

in other news Jones have been given the full support of the board on the news, hehehe this quite often means the opposite :p

if Lee is serious about this club, then i really think there will be some action taken by him this off-season. I also do wonder what information does the Chinese assistant pass on to him if any? or is he more of just extra hands?

[&1gest]

Chinese assistant noticeably absent on saturday.

[white city]

Chinese assistant noticeably absent on saturday.
Oooo ok. didnt watch weekends game, to be honest there are alot of other things which are more exciting these days

[pv4]

The move back to Jones and Zane, perhaps for some, marked the return to the old ways of the club.

The old ways, like publicly stating they don't care about the Derby.

[hawk]

What you mean he sacked Miller for no reason??

Miller had the insanity to try being insubordinate to his superior

Asians it all about "FACE"

Maybe he wasn't such an ego he would have known this

Dont be a douche now, dont even try counter this. Lee fkd right up. Now get back to jones' ****

[MFKS]

Dont be a douche now, dont even try counter this. Lee fkd right up. Now get back to jones' ****

For stability reasons yes we should have kept Miller

Issue is Miller was the one who stood up to Lee


Might well wash in some places but when you dealing with an Asian male who controls your employmemt and your pay check being an arrogant **** who thinks you can tell him how it is is a pretty ****ing stupid idea.

Dont under estimate the power of Asian men and face.
They can be quite tolerant to western insensitiveness but they do not tolerate having someone they considee below them try and challenge or show them up

Yeah Lee could have left Miller in the role but he wasnt ever going to.



Milker got himself fired

[sammydog]

Given, or chosen?

Regardless of the setup he had to use, McKinna and co always said the incoming coach had to be happy and stand by the squad. And IMO it is a better squad than Miller had to work with.

Exactly, McKinna was sprouting off everywhere on his phone calls that whoever took the head coach roll would not be able to use the squad as an excuse for not making the top 6. If the coach didnt think the squad could do it, they weren't up to the job.

Fast forward to the end of the season and the blame has been put squarely non the players and Jones has gotten a free pass to next season.

[sammydog]

For stability reasons yes we should have kept Miller

Issue is Miller was the one who stood up to Lee


Might well wash in some places but when you dealing with an Asian male who controls your employmemt and your pay check being an arrogant **** who thinks you can tell him how it is is a pretty ****ing stupid idea.

Dont under estimate the power of Asian men and face.
They can be quite tolerant to western insensitiveness but they do not tolerate having someone they considee below them try and challenge or show them up

Yeah Lee could have left Miller in the role but he wasnt ever going to.



Milker got himself fired

100% agree. It also sounds like McKinna and Griff both tried to stop him as they knew what the consequences of telling Lee how it was would go down.

Miller shot himself.

[MFKS]

100% agree. It also sounds like McKinna and Griff both tried to stop him as they knew what the consequences of telling Lee how it was would go down.

Miller shot himself.

That precisely why the sympathy for this bloke from fans is ridiculous.

The bloke got himself fired by being arrogant and self righteous and totally ****ed us all.

Yet some would give the bloke a tickertape parade for it

****ing crazy

[hawk]

Lee should have taken Miller at his word. If someone was being a twat within the camp then high chance there was. And if there was a disagreement between the top guys ffs work it out. Lee wouldnt know sh1t about what was going on and was in no position to sack a decent coach chosen by the ffa. Asian boss is no better than any other twat. Yep common sense and club betterment is fking crazy.

Geez i now hope we stay shit just to please these peeps who think jonelee is the almighty team.

[plague]

if the Double-Eff-Aye just loaned Con the cash for his super bill none of this would have happened and we'd be celebrating our 5 title by now.


i blame Frank Lowy

[Jetmaster]

Member is right - we know what Lee should have done, according to our own culture.

But this is China, and how they operate is another world entirely. Miller would have been seen as dispensable and he questioned his new overlord.

I'm doing business in China now and this is nothing compared to some of the hijinx I'm hearing about.

[Onehunglow]

What you mean he sacked Miller for no reason??

Miller had the insanity to try being insubordinate to his superior

Asians it all about "FACE"

Maybe he wasn't such an ego he would have known this

Miller got the sack because he had a punch up in China with his assistant coach. Miller arrived late in China and told his assistant not to train the first day. The assistant puts on a training session anyway. Kokko gets a soft tissue injury in the game the next day and Miller and the forgettable assistant end up in blows. Miller gets the sack, the players refuse to train for Trani? and he gets sacked the next day.

[MFKS]

Miller got the sack because he had a punch up in China with his assistant coach. Miller arrived late in China and told his assistant not to train the first day. The assistant puts on a training session anyway. Kokko gets a soft tissue injury in the game the next day and Miller and the forgettable assistant end up in blows. Miller gets the sack, the players refuse to train for Trani? and he gets sacked the next day.

Yeah yeah yeah

That part of the story

Don't forget the bit where he was told to shut up and pull his head in when dealing with someone and chose to keep running his mouth

We not talking about a spur of the moment outburst here
Time was there to allow sanity to enter the equation

[StannyCFCJET]

Miller got the sack because he had a punch up in China with his assistant coach. Miller arrived late in China and told his assistant not to train the first day. The assistant puts on a training session anyway. Kokko gets a soft tissue injury in the game the next day and Miller and the forgettable assistant end up in blows. Miller gets the sack, the players refuse to train for Trani? and he gets sacked the next day.

Where did you hear this?

[Onehunglow]

Yeah yeah yeah

That part of the story

Don't forget the bit where he was told to shut up and pull his head in when dealing with someone and chose to keep running his mouth

We not talking about a spur of the moment outburst here
Time was there to allow sanity to enter the equation

But evidently it didn't

[Onehunglow]

Where did you hear this?

Someone in the know.

[MFKS]

Where did you hear this?

Don't you know the story??

It pretty well known what went down in China that got him the arse.

[StannyCFCJET]

Don't you know the story??

It pretty well known what went down in China that got him the arse.

I heard a few different things, Only thing I knew for certain was that Miller wasnt being told who to sign and play

[MonkeyKplunk]

I heard a few different things, Only thing I knew for certain was that Miller wasnt being told who to sign and play

I remember reading about that event in the media as the major part of his demise.
The final nail after he questioned the Chinese overlords as it were

[The Dunster]

I'm doing business in China now and this is nothing compared to some of the hijinx I'm hearing about.

Have you had any experience in South Korea ? That was an eye opener for me - I'd imagine China is similar.

[The Dunster]

Miller got the sack because he had a punch up in China with his assistant coach. Miller arrived late in China and told his assistant not to train the first day. The assistant puts on a training session anyway. Kokko gets a soft tissue injury in the game the next day and Miller and the forgettable assistant end up in blows. Miller gets the sack, the players refuse to train for Trani? and he gets sacked the next day.

Interviewer: So Scot why did you leave your last job ?
Scott Miller: I punched a Tranni.
Interviewer: Next.

[Bon]

Interviewer: So Scot why did you leave your last job ?
Scott Miller: I punched a Tranni.
Interviewer: Next.

:lulzturtle:

[evanhayes5]

Miller got the sack because he had a punch up in China with his assistant coach. Miller arrived late in China and told his assistant not to train the first day. The assistant puts on a training session anyway. Kokko gets a soft tissue injury in the game the next day and Miller and the forgettable assistant end up in blows. Miller gets the sack, the players refuse to train for Trani? and he gets sacked the next day.


There was no punch on, lol.

The first part is true with regards to training, Miller said not to have training after the long travel. Despite this Trani takes a session, Kokko injured in game.

Second game was the team sheet debacle, someone didnt fill it out properly, the team ended up copping a goal (not sure if its one or 2). Miller feels like that Trani is trying to undermine him and sends him home.

The whole issue about challenging the boss is Scott is to have said that it was either him or Trani, thinking that he would be fine. Lee gives Scott the flick. From what I have been told Martin lee wanted to sack Scott anyway when he took over the club and bring in his own coach and start a completely a fresh, Lawrie talked him out of this

Players all refused to train under Trani as they could probably tell what was going on. They all wanted Scott back, but Lee didnt want him and I dont think Scott wanted the job anyway

[StannyCFCJET]

There was no punch on, lol.

The first part is true with regards to training, Miller said not to have training after the long travel. Despite this Trani takes a session, Kokko injured in game.

Second game was the team sheet debacle, someone didnt fill it out properly, the team ended up copping a goal (not sure if its one or 2). Miller feels like that Trani is trying to undermine him and sends him home.

The whole issue about challenging the boss is Scott is to have said that it was either him or Trani, thinking that he would be fine. Lee gives Scott the flick. From what I have been told Martin lee wanted to sack Scott anyway when he took over the club and bring in his own coach and start a completely a fresh, Lawrie talked him out of this

Players all refused to train under Trani as they could probably tell what was going on. They all wanted Scott back, but Lee didnt want him and I dont think Scott wanted the job anyway

Wow did Mr Lee not watch us the season before. Sounds were gonna have a Chelsea style ownership with lots of Manager changes without the success.

[pv4]

What would be harder:
- being the media guys at the jerks trying to hype the derby up after Jones just smothers the hell out of it
- being Trump's media people and trying to contain his Twitter

I don't envy either tbh

[halo se7en]

I love the talk of Lee 'saving face' because he's Asian or some shit. So something that happens behind closed doors that a handful of people knew about was too embarassing to let slide. But letting your football team embarrass themselves in public is perfectly cool.

[q-money]

international diplomacy 101 with the membah

[MFKS]

I love the talk of Lee 'saving face' because he's Asian or some shit. So something that happens behind closed doors that a handful of people knew about was too embarassing to let slide. But letting your football team embarrass themselves in public is perfectly cool.

Asian males are an interesting breed.

Learn something here and realise that face is an over riding concept with Asians.

Something Miller wasn't smart enough to acknowledge

Maybe if he was smarter he could have saved you from the horrors Jones has inflicted on you with the shit footballers left behind by Miller

[StannyCFCJET]

Asian males are an interesting breed.

Learn something here and realise that face is an over riding concept with Asians.

Something Miller wasn't smart enough to acknowledge

Maybe if he was smarter he could have saved you from the horrors Jones has inflicted on you with the shit footballers left behind by Miller

So in your opinion what coaching wise does Jones need to change or improve next year (tactics/subs etc)????

[MFKS]

So in your opinion what coaching wise does Jones need to change or improve next year (tactics/subs etc)????

Fitness.
Pressing concept
Defensive organisation
Getting our wingers starting more narrow and use the width of the pitch instead of hugging sidelines too much.
Shooting drills
Flog the shit out of them in pre season and harden them the **** up.

[StannyCFCJET]

Fitness.
Pressing concept
Defensive organisation
Getting our wingers starting more narrow and use the width of the pitch instead of hugging sidelines too much.
Shooting drills
Flog the shit out of them in pre season and harden them the **** up.

Cant argue with any of that Ill add Ball control to that list. But I still dont believe Jones is the right option but thats my option. Lets hope whoever is the coach he does a much better job

[halo se7en]

Fitness.
Pressing concept
Defensive organisation
Getting our wingers starting more narrow and use the width of the pitch instead of hugging sidelines too much.
Shooting drills
Flog the shit out of them in pre season and harden them the **** up.

In other words, things he should have been doing this season? Righto.

[StannyCFCJET]

In other words, things he should have been doing this season? Righto.

Jones didnt have a pre season and it isnt his squad. Member is letting Jones use this excuse where as Lawrie Mckinna and Mr Lee will not

[parksey]

Asian males are an interesting breed.

Learn something here and realise that face is an over riding concept with Asians.

Something Miller wasn't smart enough to acknowledge

Maybe if he was smarter he could have saved you from the horrors Jones has inflicted on you with the shit footballers left behind by Miller

The shit footballers he was able to win more games with than Jonesy has, you mean.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Either way, make a decision now.
If we sticking with Jones, so be it, announce it, let him get the squad he wants, let him put his job on the line with his selections and recruitment an make a decision at the January transfer window if we are still floundering.
If we are getting somebody else, lets get them, announce them. Let's make a decision now. If we get somebody new, let's not give them the excuse of "Not my squad".

[halo se7en]

Jones didnt have a pre season and it isnt his squad. Member is letting Jones use this excuse where as Lawrie Mckinna and Mr Lee will not

Didn't you know the moment pre-season training finishes, a coach is no longer permitted to do shooting drills, pressing, defensive organization etc. It's ok, once Jones gets his desired superstar squad, they'll be that good he won't even need to coach them.

[halo se7en]

Either way, make a decision now.
If we sticking with Jones, so be it, announce it, let him get the squad he wants, let him put his job on the line with his selections and recruitment an make a decision at the January transfer window if we are still floundering.
If we are getting somebody else, lets get them, announce them. Let's make a decision now. If we get somebody new, let's not give them the excuse of "Not my squad".

I'd say we'll know after the final game.

[Jeterpool]

It's going to be a long off season going round and round on this topic.

[Grimario]

It's going to be a long off season going round and round on this topic.

Not when he is punted out a week after the season is over.

[plague]

It's going to be a long off season going round and round on this topic.

i feel like the only way this foz will get better is if both BK and Biraz apply to manage the team next year.

[Bremsstrahlung]

It's going to be a long off season going round and round on this topic.

Nah.
So who do we think is better, Jones or Miller or GVE. Go.


See, it can be fun.

[Pico]

Either way, make a decision now.
If we sticking with Jones, so be it, announce it, let him get the squad he wants, let him put his job on the line with his selections and recruitment an make a decision at the January transfer window if we are still floundering.
If we are getting somebody else, lets get them, announce them. Let's make a decision now. If we get somebody new, let's not give them the excuse of "Not my squad".

I couldn't think of anything worse, queue the next coach complaining about not his squad, cause let's not forget lawrie said it was no excuse, you know until recently and now it's convenient to roll out the usual excuses. Not to mention having Jones boys on multiyear contracts ****ing the new manager over for another couple of years of rebuilding.... And the cycle continues.

Sack Jones now already, sack the ****en lot of the off contract players, get an experienced manager in with the best part of a dozen squad positions open to bring in his players from the outset, visa spots available and marques spot open for them to utilise.

[belchardo]

Not when he is punted out a week before the season begins.

fixed your mistake grim.

[parksey]

Ernie Merrick is free.

[pv4]

It's ok, once Jones gets his desired superstar squad, they'll be that good he won't even need to coach them.

It'll be like 07/08 all over again :wub:

[Jeterpool]

Nah.
So who do we think is better, Jones or Miller or GVE. Go.


See, it can be fun.

Like Jones, I'm struggling.

[Jeterpool]

Ernie Merrick is free.

Could you imagine 2 Scots going at it?

[plague]

Legit question.
I didn't see what happened, but what exactly did Hoole do when he got subbed that set everyone off?

Also, it was very interesting to see how this was reported. I read the Herald recap and I was very impressed with the quotes that they used from both player and coach and thought both handled it really well.

But

Then I read the SBS account and (once again) they used direct quotes from Jones and he came across as a complete knob.

[StannyCFCJET]

Legit question.
I didn't see what happened, but what exactly did Hoole do when he got subbed that set everyone off?

Also, it was very interesting to see how this was reported. I read the Herald recap and I was very impressed with the quotes that they used from both player and coach and thought both handled it really well.

But

Then I read the SBS account and (once again) they used direct quotes from Jones and he came across as a complete knob.

Apparently When Hoole was subbed he chucked a hissy and was only walking off when we were chasing the game and Zane had a go at his work rate and said something like Dont you ****ing take you head out of your hands or ill place it there for you. Thats only what ive heard from people who said they sit near the bench

[Grimario]

fixed your mistake grim.

So Jets :(

[pv4]

He cracked the shits at being subbed off.

Walked past the players sitting down, reserve keeper put his hand out to high five and Hoole did his best effort to slap his hand completely off his arm.

TBH if I'm creating a league-high amount of chances for my team to do nothing with I reckon I'd crack the shits at being subbed off too.

[StannyCFCJET]

He cracked the shits at being subbed off.

Walked past the players sitting down, reserve keeper put his hand out to high five and Hoole did his best effort to slap his hand completely off his arm.

TBH if I'm creating a league-high amount of chances for my team to do nothing with I reckon I'd crack the shits at being subbed off too.

Probably annoyed at not getting interest from overseas clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona

[Bon]

Probably annoyed at not getting interest from overseas clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona

Shoulda spoken to Kanta for his Bayern contacts..

[Jetmaster]

So......where has it all gone wrong?

After the win in Coffs we were sitting pretty at fifth and Nabbout was top of the Alex Tobin medal. We were playing entertaining football and even if the result didn't quite go right we were having a go and scoring goals. Since that game....

* We failed to make any January signings
* We dumped three players
* Nabbout has gone missing
* Any confidence Hoole was building evaporated
* We started playing around with our backline
* Duncan got injured
* Brown went off the boil as soon as he left in Brisbane
* Clut has vanished
* Poljak got dropped without good reason
* Miller's Scando trio of Brown. Nobby and Kokko look half the players they were

What is the core issue that has caused us to fall from 4th to a likely last in two months?

[WolfMan]

Either way, make a decision now.
If we sticking with Jones, so be it, announce it, let him get the squad he wants, let him put his job on the line with his selections and recruitment an make a decision at the January transfer window if we are still floundering.
If we are getting somebody else, lets get them, announce them. Let's make a decision now. If we get somebody new, let's not give them the excuse of "Not my squad".

100% agree.

I also don't believe Jones is the man for the job, but they either need to back him to the hilt, or cut bait

[WolfMan]

Could you imagine 2 Scots going at it?

lemonparty.org

[pv4]

* We dumped three players
* Nabbout has gone missing
* Any confidence Hoole was building evaporated
* We started playing around with our backline
* Duncan got injured
* Brown went off the boil as soon as he left in Brisbane
* Clut has vanished
* Poljak got dropped without good reason
* Miller's Scando trio of Brown. Nobby and Kokko look half the players they were

What is the core issue that has caused us to fall from 4th to a likely last in two months?

According to MFKFC, Jones & Lowey - none of these can be blamed on the coaching staff.

[plague]

In terms of the football and tactics, I don't think there's anything wrong. We just again (made) some individual mistakes.

We had a look at the stats and at least 75%, perhaps more now, have been individual errors that cost us games

Member is right, it's all the players fault.

[MFKS]

Member is right, it's all the players fault.

But in all seriousness Jones is right.

It the players that are the problem

Look at Nordstrand ****ing that chance up at the weekend. That just sums this lot up.

Then you throw in stuff like Jackson's air swing v Perth
Boogaard and Mullens penalties
Hoffman's og
Duncan ****ed a couple up against Adelaide too

This the problem these blokes make glaring **** ups again and again at both ends of the park

Can't coach that level of shit into people
Can't coach that level of shit out of people

[Grimario]

This the problem these blokes make glaring **** ups again and again at both ends of the park

****wit coach keeps selecting these blokes again and again despite these glaring errors. That's the players fault too, I assume?

[StannyCFCJET]

This the problem these blokes make glaring **** ups again and again at both ends of the park


And get picked week after week by who? Jones while guys like Labi ride the pine.

[plague]

Is anyone else a bit baffled by his "75%" figure?

Wouldn't at least 75% of goals conceded in every game in every league in every country in the world be attributed to an individual error?

Missed tackle, out jumped header, bad keeper position, poor defensive positioning. Aren't they all individual errors of some description?

How else do teams get goals?

[MFKS]

****wit coach keeps selecting these blokes again and again despite these glaring errors. That's the players fault too, I assume?

Now name the blokes in our 23 man squad who ain't getting selected and are doing better than the ones that are??

I think every ****er has had a run at some stage this season

[MFKS]

Is anyone else a bit baffled by his "75%" figure?

Wouldn't at least 75% of goals conceded in every game in every league in every country in the world be attributed to an individual error?

Missed tackle, out jumped header, bad keeper position, poor defensive positioning. Aren't they all individual errors of some description?

How else do teams get goals?

Seriously Plague 75%

That a statistic

How the **** you fall for that when it you of all people who made the infamous statement on stats

[Wilso8948]

Member is speaking SOME truth. I don't think Jones is a world beating coach by any stretch but we seriously lack so much quality in this squad it's not funny. His selections are a little bit questionable but who honestly do you replace them with? Cowburn is not an upgrade on Mullen. Vujica is showing promise but honestly is still a bit of a hack. Labi is no better then any striker we have. Kokko has failed. Nordstrand is not clinical. We have no CBs who are better quality then Jackson or Boogard. Poljak, Brown and co really only offer the 'workhorse' factor in midfield and are relatively limited in their abilities with the ball. Ugarkovic is good for numerous errors a game. Kanta is less of a player then all of these guys. I think we offered a little more class when we had either Lei or Clut playing at 10. But really these guys are nothing compared to the quality we see in other squads playing in the same position.
Our coach is a hack.
Our players are shit.
Changing the coach MAY mean we attract better quality players here.
Significant investment in the playing roster is what's needed. If Jones can man manage whilst letting quality players do their thing on the pitch then keep him. If he can't then piss him off and get someone who can.
Take a look at Perth. Were horseshit with a poor roster when Lowe first in charge. Most couldn't believe Kenny kept his job. They invested heavily in the squad whilst keeping him and they've turned into a genuine finals contender every year since.
ps. I don't care if Jones is coach or not.
Just my two cents.

[Macca]

Seriously Plague 75%

That a statistic

How the **** you fall for that when it you of all people who made the infamous statement on stats

You're missing the point. He's not surprised at the number of 75%. More so saying (guessing here as I haven't heard where the original quote was from) that using the excuse that those goals don't count or shouldn't be a concern/his fault because one of the players made a mistake is pretty horse shit since the vast majority of goals can be attributed to an individual error somewhere along the line.

[StannyCFCJET]

Member is speaking SOME truth. I don't think Jones is a world beating coach by any stretch but we seriously lack so much quality in this squad it's not funny. His selections are a little bit questionable but who honestly do you replace them with? Cowburn is an upgrade on Mullen. Vujica is showing promise but honestly is still a bit of a hack but worth playing over Mullen. Labi is no better then any striker we have. Kokko has failed. Nordstrand is not clinical yet Labi showed more then they have in weeks In his cameo on the weekend but doesnt get picked We have no CBs who are better quality then Jackson or Boogard. Poljak, Brown and co really only offer the 'workhorse' factor in midfield and are relatively limited in their abilities with the ball, however Brown has done nothing with and without the ball pretty much since round 1 yet keeps getting picked. Ugarkovic is good but his teammates are retarted and offer him no options when he has the ball. Kanta is less of a player then all of these guys and was finished 3 years ago and is still here. I think we offered a little more class when we had either Lei or Clut playing at 10 but neither are starting or being selected atm well done Jones. But really these guys are nothing compared to the quality we see in other squads playing in the same position.
Our coach is a hack.
Our players are shit.
Changing the coach MAY mean we attract better quality players here.
Significant investment in the playing roster is what's needed. If Jones can man manage whilst letting quality players do their thing on the pitch then keep him. If he can't then piss him off and get someone who can.
Take a look at Perth. Were horseshit with a poor roster when Lowe first in charge. Most couldn't believe Kenny kept his job. They invested heavily in the squad whilst keeping him and they've turned into a genuine finals contender every year since.
ps. I don't care if Jones is coach or not.
Just my two cents.

Fixed also Kenny Lowe should have Perth as a top 2 team with that roster but has them very incosistent. Jones has sent our squad backwards why do people assume he will do better with better players, It will still be his coaching and tactics and youre also saying keep Jones who hasn't shown enough to warrant keeping and when he ****s up sack him mid/early season which will be this season all over again

[StannyCFCJET]

Is anyone else a bit baffled by his "75%" figure?

Wouldn't at least 75% of goals conceded in every game in every league in every country in the world be attributed to an individual error?

Missed tackle, out jumped header, bad keeper position, poor defensive positioning. Aren't they all individual errors of some description?

How else do teams get goals?

If these goals are from players mistakes Jones either finds away to cut out the mistakes or drops them for a few weeks. He is doing neither!

[Bon]

Stanny ploppin' out some truth nuggets..

[plague]

How the **** you fall for that when it you of all people who made the infamous statement on stats

Probably better than being the bloke who didn't understand the infamous statement on stats.

[MFKS]

If these goals are from players mistakes Jones either finds away to cut out the mistakes or drops them for a few weeks. He is doing neither!

So who does he replace them with??

Same question you can't answer as the options ain't there

Go on name a side for Sunday and show me where you can pick players not deserving of being dropped

[StannyCFCJET]

So who does he replace them with??

Same question you can't answer as the options ain't there

Go on name a side for Sunday and show me where you can pick players not deserving of being dropped
Duncan
Hoff Boogs Cowburn (cowburn has played CB in juniors and can atleast pass) Vujica
Stevie U Johnny K (Poijak if not fit)
Nobby Left cutting in Clut middle Nabbout Right
Labi

Bench Acraba, Ma lei lei Sawyer Brymora Poijak (If Johnny injured Mullen gets on the bench but IS NOT subbed on first.)

Fell sorry for Kokko but we dont play a system to suit him

[MFKS]

Duncan
Hoff Boogs Cowburn (cowburn has played CB in juniors and can atleast pass) Vujica
Stevie U Johnny K (Poijak if not fit)
Nobby Left cutting in Clut middle Nabbout Right
Labi

Bench Acraba, Ma lei lei Sawyer Brymora Poijak (If Johnny injured Mullen gets on the bench but IS NOT subbed on first.)

Fell sorry for Kokko but we dont play a system to suit him

Ok

Boogaard made two errors last week that costs us goals
Nabbout has made two errors in the last two games that cost us goals
Nobby cost us a goal last weekend

So there is 3 out

Now redo your team as I said players not deserving of being dropped because those 3 deserve dropping

[StannyCFCJET]

Ok

Boogaard made two errors last week that costs us goals
Nabbout has made two errors in the last two games that cost us goals
Nobby cost us a goal last weekend

So there is 3 out

Now redo your team as I said players not deserving of being dropped because those 3 deserve dropping

Boogs is needed for Leadership (as little as his is providing) and we cant have two young inexperienced CBs against O donovan, Nabbout has at least shown high levels of quality and needs to play in case he shows this again, Nobby has looked his best out wide left last year and first Mariners home game this year (Allows him to cut it and bend it top right corner or run diagonally across the defense for Nabbout Stevie U and Clut to try and find with pass.

Also Nobby and Nabbout mistakes leading to goals? I assume this was them losing possesion when the fullbacks were bombing on ahead of them?

[Frodo]

There is a lot of circling going on in these arguments. The member can't be wrong because his opinion is his own. Everyone in the world knows that Jones hasn't done anything this season to show that he turn us into a top 4 team no matter the sheep he is herding.

This squad also isn't good enough on it's own to make the 4 easily.

We win as a team and we lose as a team. Each manager picks a side based on what he wants to achieve and the players do the rest. Jones doesn't have the ability to produce anything from these players and the players don't seem capable of playing his system. But this isn't the chicken or the egg. We don't have to settle for one of the options. We can get rid of half the squad and find a better manager at the same time.

Sign the coach right now and tell them the budget they have to work with. Stop resigning any players for the rest of the season. Sack Jones as soon as loses to the Scum this weekend and then get started on the roster for next year. Give the players like 2 weeks off and then come back early to start sorting out the playing roster. Then give them individual holidays when they want to rest up and keep the rest of the squad training and slowly fill in the gaps with new signings.

[MFKS]

Boogs is needed for Leadership (as little as his is providing) and we cant have two young inexperienced CBs against O donovan, Nabbout has at least shown high levels of quality and needs to play in case he shows this again, Nobby has looked his best out wide left last year and first Mariners home game this year (Allows him to cut it and bend it top right corner or run diagonally across the defense for Nabbout Stevie U and Clut to try and find with pass.

Also Nobby and Nabbout mistakes leading to goals? I assume this was them losing possesion when the fullbacks were bombing on ahead of them?

Nabbout was responsible bfor heading a ball from near the goal line to the penalty spot costing us 3rd goal v Nix

He also was involved in the abysmal defending for the 2nd WSW goal

So yeah they cost goals

As for Nordstrand error may have been at the other end
But it still cost a goal.

As for Boogaard he still has made errors

So as I said before all 3 are out. Stop making excuses for them

You said Jones should drop blokes making errors

I giving you a chance to name a side and your insisting we pick blokes who have made errors and deserve dropping

So once again

Name a side with blokes in our squad who dont deserve to be dropped???

[judge]

TBH if I'm a striker getting replaced by a defender at 3 nil down I'd be p!$$ed off too. Not the 1st player to be annoyed about getting replaced won't be the last. But to then be abused by the ASSistant coach in full view of tv cameras and supporters, very unprofessional and what could be called a loss of face. Said assistant wants to hope the owner doesn't think the same.
He cracked the shits at being subbed off.

Walked past the players sitting down, reserve keeper put his hand out to high five and Hoole did his best effort to slap his hand completely off his arm.

TBH if I'm creating a league-high amount of chances for my team to do nothing with I reckon I'd crack the shits at being subbed off too.

[Frodo]

Nabbout was responsible bfor heading a ball from near the goal line to the penalty spot costing us 3rd goal v Nix

He also was involved in the abysmal defending for the 2nd WSW goal

So yeah they cost goals

As for Nordstrand error may have been at the other end
But it still cost a goal.

As for Boogaard he still has made errors

So as I said before all 3 are out. Stop making excuses for them

You said Jones should drop blokes making errors

I giving you a chance to name a side and your insisting we pick blokes who have made errors and deserve dropping

So once again

Name a side with blokes in our squad who dont deserve to be dropped???

Just a thought, because i know you are kind of just having fun with these kids right now and don't actually believe everything your typing 100%...

If football teams replaced players every time they made a mistake we wouldn't really have any quality football teams. Players make mistakes on every level in every team. The better teams a) minimize the number of mistakes, b) try to keep the ball away from areas that teams can punish you for errors and c) work as a team to make sure you aren't punished for said error.


Now we aren't doing that at all but there are more factors at play than simply. You made an error we now have to sell you on and that will make us a better squad? Yeah? Maybe?

Jones really doesn't have any defensive Tactics so you can't really blame him but when his attacking football isn't working he surely has to take some of the blame?

[StannyCFCJET]

There is a lot of circling going on in these arguments. The member can't be wrong because his opinion is his own. Everyone in the world knows that Jones hasn't done anything this season to show that he turn us into a top 4 team no matter the sheep he is herding.

This squad also isn't good enough on it's own to make the 4 easily.

We win as a team and we lose as a team. Each manager picks a side based on what he wants to achieve and the players do the rest. Jones doesn't have the ability to produce anything from these players and the players don't seem capable of playing his system. But this isn't the chicken or the egg. We don't have to settle for one of the options. We can get rid of half the squad and find a better manager at the same time.

Sign the coach right now and tell them the budget they have to work with. Stop resigning any players for the rest of the season. Sack Jones as soon as loses to the Scum this weekend and then get started on the roster for next year. Give the players like 2 weeks off and then come back early to start sorting out the playing roster. Then give them individual holidays when they want to rest up and keep the rest of the squad training and slowly fill in the gaps with new signings.

Agree with all your Points Frodo.

[MFKS]

Just a thought, because i know you are kind of just having fun with these kids right now and don't actually believe everything your typing 100%...

If football teams replaced players every time they made a mistake we wouldn't really have any quality football teams. Players make mistakes on every level in every team. The better teams a) minimize the number of mistakes, b) try to keep the ball away from areas that teams can punish you for errors and c) work as a team to make sure you aren't punished for said error.


Now we aren't doing that at all but there are more factors at play than simply. You made an error we now have to sell you on and that will make us a better squad? Yeah? Maybe?

Jones really doesn't have any defensive Tactics so you can't really blame him but when his attacking football isn't working he surely has to take some of the blame?

Not disagreeing you can't keep replacing blokes as soon as they make mistakes

I would say that this current squad as more individual errors in them pound for pound than any of the recent Jets squads

That exactly where the problems lie.

Our blokes can go out there and get it right for 98% of the game. Then out of nowhere one of them will **** up

That the bit we got to rectify . Even the best fail from time to time. But they also succeed more often than not.

We need to be given ourselves a better chance by getting some blokes who are a bit more clinical at doing the job required

[Frodo]

Not disagreeing you can't keep replacing blokes as soon as they make mistakes

I would say that this current squad as more individual errors in them pound for pound than any of the recent Jets squads

That exactly where the problems lie.

Our blokes can go out there and get it right for 98% of the game. Then out of nowhere one of them will **** up

That the bit we got to rectify . Even the best fail from time to time. But they also succeed more often than not.

We need to be given ourselves a better chance by getting some blokes who are a bit more clinical at doing the job required

Look at us being all cute and agreeable, haha.

Do you think a formation change could have helped us during our slump? Or would the mistakes have just moved to a slightly different spot on the field?

Personally I think some of the players you have written off would do well under a different coach, however that point is mute because as long as Jones is coach we need to have players who can succeed with him as coach.


But there is a tonne of risk in getting rid of half the squad when the coach hasn't proven that he can compete in this league as a coach. Don't misconstrue that as me saying that Jones definitely can't succeed, i'm just saying that he hasn't yet.


I do however know of a certain Italian Manager who is currently without a job who loves the Opera has an affinity with Asian Football Club owners??

[Macca]

I think we saw enough from various players across the season to suggest we could have done better. After we got half a dozen players back from injury Jones was saying "See guys, if we just had all players available we would have been doing fine." What happened after that run to lead us to where we are now? Not sure.

I think Kokko has been extremely poorly utilised. Its pretty obvious to me that he's a pretty handy footballer and could have scored more goals for us and been a lot more influential in games if he was used in a way to suit his talents.

Hoole and Nabbout were always going to be inconsistent - Member's comparison to Sterling is actually pretty good. But even inconsistent talented players while making a lot of mistakes will have plenty of moments where they put it together and provide for you - these two were doing that earlier in the season but not recently.

Clut has been frozen out for ages despite a lot of minutes earlier in the season where he was looking dangerous and was consistently improving the team's performance coming off the bench.

I think Hoffman is our best FB and does decently. Not sure why he was moved to left to play out of position to accommodate poor options at RB. Leave him at RB and play Mullen/Cowburn/JK/BK whoever at left back. My preference would be Vujica who while mistake prone looked lively and keen early in the season. How far might he have progressed this season if he'd been played?

Ugarkovic has gone backwards this season, he looked so composed and tidy last season where now he's inconsistent and not having much impact. Is this due to instructions from Jones to play a bit more advanced than the dedicated deep-lying / holding role he was playing last year so well? He certainly has been further up the pitch this season from memory.

Formation wise, if you look at where our squad has depth (in numbers if not talent) its probably defence. We have three serviceable CBs in Boogs, Jackson and JK. Possible backup in Mullen and Kanta. The flavour of the month 3 at the back formation may have been worth a shout. Maybe throw Hoole at LWB and Hoffman RWB. Noddy and Kokko up top as a front two. Poljak/Brown with Uga as two holding mids and let Nabbout drift as a nominal midfielder to find space (ie wide) to run into.

Anyway I definitely had better expectations halfway through the season of where we would end up than where we have.

[StannyCFCJET]

I think we saw enough from various players across the season to suggest we could have done better. After we got half a dozen players back from injury Jones was saying "See guys, if we just had all players available we would have been doing fine." What happened after that run to lead us to where we are now? Not sure.

I think Kokko has been extremely poorly utilised. Its pretty obvious to me that he's a pretty handy footballer and could have scored more goals for us and been a lot more influential in games if he was used in a way to suit his talents.

Hoole and Nabbout were always going to be inconsistent - Member's comparison to Sterling is actually pretty good. But even inconsistent talented players while making a lot of mistakes will have plenty of moments where they put it together and provide for you - these two were doing that earlier in the season but not recently.

Clut has been frozen out for ages despite a lot of minutes earlier in the season where he was looking dangerous and was consistently improving the team's performance coming off the bench.

I think Hoffman is our best FB and does decently. Not sure why he was moved to left to play out of position to accommodate poor options at RB. Leave him at RB and play Mullen/Cowburn/JK/BK whoever at left back. My preference would be Vujica who while mistake prone looked lively and keen early in the season. How far might he have progressed this season if he'd been played?

Ugarkovic has gone backwards this season, he looked so composed and tidy last season where now he's inconsistent and not having much impact. Is this due to instructions from Jones to play a bit more advanced than the dedicated deep-lying / holding role he was playing last year so well? He certainly has been further up the pitch this season from memory.

Formation wise, if you look at where our squad has depth (in numbers if not talent) its probably defence. We have three serviceable CBs in Boogs, Jackson and JK. Possible backup in Mullen and Kanta. The flavour of the month 3 at the back formation may have been worth a shout. Maybe throw Hoole at LWB and Hoffman RWB. Noddy and Kokko up top as a front two. Poljak/Brown with Uga as two holding mids and let Nabbout drift as a nominal midfielder to find space (ie wide) to run into.

Anyway I definitely had better expectations halfway through the season of where we would end up than where we have.

More truth bombs although I disagree about the defence

[MFKS]

Look at us being all cute and agreeable, haha.

Do you think a formation change could have helped us during our slump? Or would the mistakes have just moved to a slightly different spot on the field?

Personally I think some of the players you have written off would do well under a different coach, however that point is mute because as long as Jones is coach we need to have players who can succeed with him as coach.


But there is a tonne of risk in getting rid of half the squad when the coach hasn't proven that he can compete in this league as a coach. Don't misconstrue that as me saying that Jones definitely can't succeed, i'm just saying that he hasn't yet.


I do however know of a certain Italian Manager who is currently without a job who loves the Opera has an affinity with Asian Football Club owners??

Risk??
Getting rid of players who ain't cutting it isn't a risk??

What's really the worse we could do??
Replace the current crop with just as incompetent players.

As for changing formation recently??
I not a big believer in that type of thing unless you have the cattle.

It all good and well saying let's play a 3-5-2 but playing with blokes who ain't wing backs and try and making them isn't a receptor for success

Why have we failed recently. Teams have cottoned onto the realities of our attack being so dependant on Nabbout and Hoole. The opposition full backs are sitting back more and denying the space they were once getting

Issue is the lack of depth in our squad
Issue is the lack of quality in the squad

These players have also choked on the burden of expectation. As soon as they got asked and expected to win they buckled under it

The last few weeks v Heart and Nix and Roar is just these ****s capitualting as the pressure was applied.

Nothing more nothing less.

To say Jones has lost the dressing room isn't true or even close to the mark. If that was the case we get thumped last weekend. At 3-0 down the players at least showed some interest in keeping the scoreboard resectable even if they didn't have the ability to deliver it.

[Bremsstrahlung]

If but nothing else, 12 months from now we will have some pretty awesome quotes from MFKS for our tagline.
Or MFKS will have an entire "I told you so" thread

[The Camel]

Nah.
So who do we think is better, Jones or Miller or GVE. Go.


See, it can be fun.

Miller, GVE, Stubbins, Jones in that order. Jones is the worst

[hawk]

There is a lot of circling going on in these arguments. The member can't be wrong because his opinion is his own. Everyone in the world knows that Jones hasn't done anything this season to show that he turn us into a top 4 team no matter the sheep he is herding.

This squad also isn't good enough on it's own to make the 4 easily.

We win as a team and we lose as a team. Each manager picks a side based on what he wants to achieve and the players do the rest. Jones doesn't have the ability to produce anything from these players and the players don't seem capable of playing his system. But this isn't the chicken or the egg. We don't have to settle for one of the options. We can get rid of half the squad and find a better manager at the same time.

Sign the coach right now and tell them the budget they have to work with. Stop resigning any players for the rest of the season. Sack Jones as soon as loses to the Scum this weekend and then get started on the roster for next year. Give the players like 2 weeks off and then come back early to start sorting out the playing roster. Then give them individual holidays when they want to rest up and keep the rest of the squad training and slowly fill in the gaps with new signings.

disagree on the coach point becuase Miller did more with less of a squad in a similar time

Agree that no coach could get our teams too far up the ladder.

And another point that is usually ignored....our recruitment is shittest in the league. Usually caused by shit owners not spending much money and management for choosing inept players partly becuase of low budgets and poor judgement.

[StannyCFCJET]

Miller, GVE, Stubbins, Jones in that order. Jones is the worst

Jones worse then Stubbins your kidding? Stubbins sacked lord Griff and went back on his word to the players about stepping down if he lost the dressing room

[monz6]

I think if we had have kept gve we would've made finals in one of the past three seasons

[Wilso8948]

I think it needs to be noted that not one of our off contract players or "best" performers are being sounded out by a single other A league club. People who think this a "top half" squad with the right manager are havin a larf.

[Jeterpool]

I think it needs to be noted that not one of our off contract players or "best" performers are being sounded out by a single other A league club. People who think this a "top half" squad with the right manager are havin a larf.

Not publicly, anyway. But I get what you're saying.

[pv4]

I think it needs to be noted that not one of our off contract players or "best" performers are being sounded out by a single other A league club. People who think this a "top half" squad with the right manager are havin a larf.

Fair comments.

I mean just think about our best players. Super subjective but you'd probably say our best 5 players are:
- Nabbout
- Hoole
- Stevie UG
- Boogard
- Duncan

Again, give or take. Ignore SFC and MV for arguments sake.. but if any of those players went to say WSW, Brisbane, Perth, etc - how many would walk into the starting lineups? I would argue possibly Boogard is the only one.

Feel free to offer alternate opinions on which players would walk into other teams, or if my top 5 are "wrong".

[WolfMan]

For da Membah -

What do you see as the difference between the team's performance under Stubbins, and the current happenings under Jones?

Serious question, interested to hear your take on it

[Wilso8948]

Fair comments.

I mean just think about our best players. Super subjective but you'd probably say our best 5 players are:
- Nabbout
- Hoole
- Stevie UG
- Boogard
- Duncan

Again, give or take. Ignore SFC and MV for arguments sake.. but if any of those players went to say WSW, Brisbane, Perth, etc - how many would walk into the starting lineups? I would argue possibly Boogard is the only one.

Feel free to offer alternate opinions on which players would walk into other teams, or if my top 5 are "wrong".
Probably none. As you said Boogard maybe. Most would be bench warmers.

[MFKS]

For da Membah -

What do you see as the difference between the team's performance under Stubbins, and the current happenings under Jones?

Serious question, interested to hear your take on it

I not even seeing the correlation here

Muppet had some decent players at his disposal and ****ed it up with his ego becoming the biggest thing in Newy

Even before Griff and Carney ended up in the sand pit etc that team dramatically underperformed.

This lot have up until 3-4 weeks ago been highly competitive in every match .

Since Hoffman got sent they have just imploded

Being the season is over more or less I not see exactly how this transcends things moving forward

New players arrive , new season etc

As soon as Rd 1 starts next season it a new ball game and the last 6 rounds of this season will have **** all bearing

[Bremsstrahlung]

It'd be nice to have the last 6 rounds mean something.

[hawk]

I not even seeing the correlation here

Muppet had some decent players at his disposal and ****ed it up with his ego becoming the biggest thing in Newy

Even before Griff and Carney ended up in the sand pit etc that team dramatically underperformed.

This lot have up until 3-4 weeks ago been highly competitive in every match .

Since Hoffman got sent they have just imploded

Being the season is over more or less I not see exactly how this transcends things moving forward

New players arrive , new season etc

As soon as Rd 1 starts next season it a new ball game and the last 6 rounds of this season will have **** all bearing


So, if the team was going well until they imploded, then, they are good enough and the coach is sh1t. Bam, debate over.

[StannyCFCJET]

So, if the team was going well until they imploded, then, they are good enough and the coach is sh1t. Bam, debate over.

:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock: youve destroyed Member with one post.

[parksey]

I think we saw enough from various players across the season to suggest we could have done better. After we got half a dozen players back from injury Jones was saying "See guys, if we just had all players available we would have been doing fine." What happened after that run to lead us to where we are now? Not sure.

I think Kokko has been extremely poorly utilised. Its pretty obvious to me that he's a pretty handy footballer and could have scored more goals for us and been a lot more influential in games if he was used in a way to suit his talents.

Hoole and Nabbout were always going to be inconsistent - Member's comparison to Sterling is actually pretty good. But even inconsistent talented players while making a lot of mistakes will have plenty of moments where they put it together and provide for you - these two were doing that earlier in the season but not recently.

Clut has been frozen out for ages despite a lot of minutes earlier in the season where he was looking dangerous and was consistently improving the team's performance coming off the bench.

I think Hoffman is our best FB and does decently. Not sure why he was moved to left to play out of position to accommodate poor options at RB. Leave him at RB and play Mullen/Cowburn/JK/BK whoever at left back. My preference would be Vujica who while mistake prone looked lively and keen early in the season. How far might he have progressed this season if he'd been played?

Ugarkovic has gone backwards this season, he looked so composed and tidy last season where now he's inconsistent and not having much impact. Is this due to instructions from Jones to play a bit more advanced than the dedicated deep-lying / holding role he was playing last year so well? He certainly has been further up the pitch this season from memory.

Formation wise, if you look at where our squad has depth (in numbers if not talent) its probably defence. We have three serviceable CBs in Boogs, Jackson and JK. Possible backup in Mullen and Kanta. The flavour of the month 3 at the back formation may have been worth a shout. Maybe throw Hoole at LWB and Hoffman RWB. Noddy and Kokko up top as a front two. Poljak/Brown with Uga as two holding mids and let Nabbout drift as a nominal midfielder to find space (ie wide) to run into.

Anyway I definitely had better expectations halfway through the season of where we would end up than where we have.

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