VAR - It's Football But Not As You Know It

[outsider]

the what?
nfi- no fing idea

[Jetmaster]

Fair dinkum....the next person I hear say "its here to stay" I will personally cremate. It is on trial....Bundesliga feedback is worse than ours.

It is not yet a done deal. Let's see what March brings.

[MFKS]

There are some B & W decisions. Was Nabbout offside last night? No. Did Muscat elbow the other guy in the head. Yes. Both events that were clear as day and possibly wouldn’t have been called if VAR wasn’t there. It’ll never be perfect sure, but some improvement is bette than nothing. You’re acting like it hasn’t got anything right?

I not particularly fussed if Mus**** gets off as no one picks it up

It happens in games

Shit goes on in back play

I not too fussed either if Nabbout gets called for offside yesterday

FFS I watched the game for 30+ years and seen blokes get pinged offside incorrectly before

FFS The game went on and cunce got over it

People ain't going to get over it here
Regardless of whether you are like it or against it you are open up a can of worms by just having it
That is why you going to have problems

Take Bobo the other night.
I don't think anyone can defend the ****wit VAR referee missing that.

It pretty ****ing clear cut

Now I love stirring the Blue Aids FFA VAR FC angle as much as the next guy

But there is nothing that can be said that this was a joke of a decision on a biblical level.

Then for the cunce to come out and defend it just shows they are ****ed

[parksey]

anyone defending this piece of shit needs to give their head a wobble.

for once the member is 100% right.

[Jetmaster]

I too crumble like dust at feet of the good Membah for once....he gets it.
I've given up on cricket with DRS. If football goes down this path I'll settle down with my Big Match videos for the rest of my days.

[halo se7en]

So he wants things to happen in backplay without repercussion but is blowing up at Bobo not getting sent? Got it.

[belchardo]

i'm on board with VAR now. anything that delivers a bit of cosmic karma to berisha can only be a good thing.

[halo se7en]

i'm on board with VAR now. anything that delivers a bit of cosmic karma to berisha can only be a good thing.

I had $$ on Melb to win 2-1. Turned it off in disgust when he scored... only to just check the score. VAR to the rescue again!

[MFKS]

So he wants things to happen in backplay without repercussion but is blowing up at Bobo not getting sent? Got it.

I couldn't give a **** that Bobo didn't get sent off for his back play indiscretion

What I having a pop at is if your system you are praising misses that incident when the **** actually looks at it ......
....


Then it ****ing useless

Understand??

Because Bobo should not have been missed. Once VAR looks at it . He has to walk

When he doesnt. It just proves it is a ****ing joke

[halo se7en]

I couldn't give a **** that Bobo didn't get sent off for his back play indiscretion

What I having a pop at is if your system you are praising misses that incident when the **** actually looks at it ......
....


Then it ****ing useless

Understand??

Because Bobo should not have been missed. Once VAR looks at it . He has to walk

When he doesnt. It just proves it is a ****ing joke

Yep, which is why I said it needs to be improved.

[plague]

Yep, which is why I said it needs to be improved.

the biggest improvement though is to use it less (or not at all).

it should ONLY be used for decisions that are 'absolute', not ones that are 'open to interpretation'.

offsides, goal line. they are either in or out.

elbows, tackles, etc are discretionary. therefore should be at the refs discretion and interpretation. if he gets it right, cool. if he gets it wrong, ok. shit happens.
but assuming the bloke in the TV box will 'interpret' it any more correctly or incorrectly than the ref in the middle is crap, and continually proven to be no better a system.


bin it.

[skullboy]

I not particularly fussed if Mus**** gets off as no one picks it up

It happens in games

Shit goes on in back play

I not too fussed either if Nabbout gets called for offside yesterday

FFS I watched the game for 30+ years and seen blokes get pinged offside incorrectly before

FFS The game went on and cunce got over it

People ain't going to get over it here
Regardless of whether you are like it or against it you are open up a can of worms by just having it
That is why you going to have problems

Take Bobo the other night.
I don't think anyone can defend the ****wit VAR referee missing that.

It pretty ****ing clear cut

Now I love stirring the Blue Aids FFA VAR FC angle as much as the next guy

But there is nothing that can be said that this was a joke of a decision on a biblical level.

Then for the cunce to come out and defend it just shows they are ****ed


Dumbest. F@#king. Response. Ever.

No-one gives a flying frogs fat arse if you, or anyone else, doesn't care about incorrect decisions. The vast majority of fans do. And the VAR makes the vast majority of decisions right. Foxtel loves to make a big deal out "controversy" because that's how they get people to listen to their shite opinions.

I care if shit-heads like Manny Muscat elbow someone in the head. I care if Gypos go studs up into challenges and don't get sent off. I care if we get a goal ruled offside when it clearly wasn't because a defender played it. I care if Brisbane get awarded a goal against us when there was a clear off-side in the build-up. Need I go on?

It isn't perfect, but anyone deluded enough to think it should be doesn't deserve a megaphone to spout their ridiculous opinions.

My two most hated expressions are "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and "that's the way we've always done it". Dumb-f@#kers who give me that at work get fired.
VAR is a massive improvement and there is no reason to remove it.

[skullboy]

I couldn't give a **** that Bobo didn't get sent off for his back play indiscretion

What I having a pop at is if your system you are praising misses that incident when the **** actually looks at it ......
....


Then it ****ing useless

Understand??

Because Bobo should not have been missed. Once VAR looks at it . He has to walk

When he doesnt. It just proves it is a ****ing joke

Sorry. I just read this one.

The other one is the SECOND dumbest response ever.

THIS one is the dumbest response ever.

[plague]

And the VAR makes the vast majority of decisions right.

ill contend that every single one of those red card decisions (or 'non decisions 'sup Bobo) over the weekend was 'debateable'.

I think in that area of the game VAR does not make the 'vast majority' of desisons right.

again, ill cop goal line tech. if they sort the offside rule ill cop offside tech.

the rest should be on the ref.

[MFKS]

Dumbest. F@#king. Response. Ever.

No-one gives a flying frogs fat arse if you, or anyone else, doesn't care about incorrect decisions. The vast majority of fans do. And the VAR makes the vast majority of decisions right. Foxtel loves to make a big deal out "controversy" because that's how they get people to listen to their shite opinions.

I care if shit-heads like Manny Muscat elbow someone in the head. I care if Gypos go studs up into challenges and don't get sent off. I care if we get a goal ruled offside when it clearly wasn't because a defender played it. I care if Brisbane get awarded a goal against us when there was a clear off-side in the build-up. Need I go on?

It isn't perfect, but anyone deluded enough to think it should be doesn't deserve a megaphone to spout their ridiculous opinions.

My two most hated expressions are "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and "that's the way we've always done it". Dumb-f@#kers who give me that at work get fired.
VAR is a massive improvement and there is no reason to remove it.

Deluded ... lol

It ain't perfect ... Lol

No mirrors at your house??


With no VAR the referee decisions are made by the onfield official.

This happens at suburban pitches across the planet

Referees make mistakes. They not perfect

By bringing technology into the equation to try and rectify these mistakes are you not trying to make it more perfect ??

Which sort of goes completely against your argument you spouting with me ??

So which way you want to have it ??

[hawk]

Var got the berish decision correct cause it was clear cut. If it sticks to that it would work a lot better

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

ill contend that every single one of those red card decisions (or 'non decisions 'sup Bobo) over the weekend was 'debateable'.

I think in that area of the game VAR does not make the 'vast majority' of desisons right.

again, ill cop goal line tech. if they sort the offside rule ill cop offside tech.

the rest should be on the ref.

This.

[Jetmaster]

I would like to ask Bozza and these types if they ever made a game changing mistake and do they think they should be able to go back and change their decision.

Sport is competitive and results are often decided by somebody's error. Goal line tech - sure, but only like the EPL has. Offside - doable but needs work.

The rest, just let it be.

[Jeterpool]

I'd argue without VAR we'd have seen that game possibly end up 1-1 because I think Nabbout's goal get ruled out for offside and the Dimi pen remains.

[turbojetfireV8]

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/12/18/five-things-we-learned-league-round-11

So I assume if Strebre says the Bobo incident was already adjudged to be a case of Mr Lowy says 'nothing to see here', that means the MRP cannot look at the incident as an obvious misconduct matter missed during play because it has already been swept under the carpet???

[turbojetfireV8]

MSN's take
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/football/comment-review-systems-have-benefitted-other-sports-so-why-not-football/ar-BBGSBYn?ocid=spartanntp

[halo se7en]

I would like to ask Bozza and these types if they ever made a game changing mistake and do they think they should be able to go back and change their decision.

Sport is competitive and results are often decided by somebody's error. Goal line tech - sure, but only like the EPL has. Offside - doable but needs work.

The rest, just let it be.

I don't get this though. You want goal line tech included, but you're ok for other areas of the game to include errors?

People are acting like there's no B&W in football bar the goal line issue. But there is - offside is incredibly B&W and the only reason it causes controversy is because linesmen are trying to figure it out in a split second and often get it wrong. As a rule though, it's ALWAYS clear cut - Nabbout's goal on Saturday is a perfect example of why VAR should adjudicate on offside when a goal is scored and there's enough doubt - in real time, he looked a mile off and would have been flagged because I doubt the linesman saw the nick of the defenders toe.

The other issue is clear red card offences. Plague - that red card for Muscat was as clear as you get. He cocked his elbow and went straight back into the dude's head. Can't remember who copped it but there was nothing grey about that. He deserved his red and the outcry about VAR only came because Bobo escaped earlier in the game - but using it for Muscat was spot on.

I don't see any difference to these incidents then when a linesman raises his flag, then has a discussion with the ref for a few minutes to talk about what he thought he saw before the ref pulls out a card. But instead of a discussion, someone can watch a replay instead.

I've walked away from enough games absolutely fuming at the referee to know I'm more than happy for them to trial something that can minimise the amount of errors they make.

[MFKS]

I don't get this though. You want goal line tech included, but you're ok for other areas of the game to include errors?

People are acting like there's no B&W in football bar the goal line issue. But there is - offside is incredibly B&W and the only reason it causes controversy is because linesmen are trying to figure it out in a split second and often get it wrong. As a rule though, it's ALWAYS clear cut - Nabbout's goal on Saturday is a perfect example of why VAR should adjudicate on offside when a goal is scored and there's enough doubt - in real time, he looked a mile off and would have been flagged because I doubt the linesman saw the nick of the defenders toe.

The other issue is clear red card offences. Plague - that red card for Muscat was as clear as you get. He cocked his elbow and went straight back into the dude's head. Can't remember who copped it but there was nothing grey about that. He deserved his red and the outcry about VAR only came because Bobo escaped earlier in the game - but using it for Muscat was spot on.

I don't see any difference to these incidents then when a linesman raises his flag, then has a discussion with the ref for a few minutes to talk about what he thought he saw before the ref pulls out a card. But instead of a discussion, someone can watch a replay instead.

I've walked away from enough games absolutely fuming at the referee to know I'm more than happy for them to trial something that can minimise the amount of errors they make.

Take cricket for example

I happy if they use it for run outs. It is a pretty useful tool in this instance

But for a lot of other stuff it fails regularly

They can **** off Hawkeye on LBW
They can also **** off using the cameras for catches to see if old mate caught it 1 mm off the ground
Snicko and Hotspot at times are useful but are not idiot proof as things can go wrong as the bat or body may block the camera view etc



KISS

If shit is wrong so be it

[plague]

offside is incredibly B&W

The other issue is clear red card offences. Plague - that red card for Muscat was as clear as you get. He cocked his elbow and went straight back into the dude's head. Can't remember who copped it but there was nothing grey about that. He deserved his red and the outcry about VAR only came because Bobo escaped earlier in the game - but using it for Muscat was spot on.


Hold up hold up.

Don’t we still have ‘passive’ offside?
Am sure Sydney got away with 2 passive reviews during the experiment stage of VAR that were anything but black and white.

Again if they make the law black and white I’m happy to use the tech.

As for Muscat, ok so you believe it to be an easy red.

Bobo lifted his leg and attacked a defenceless opponent off the ball. Surely the VAR would apply the same criteria? Nope.

The first Gypo one was worse than the 2nd Gypo one, the santalab one was worse than both (santalab didn’t even get looked at).

Either VAR gets them ALL right (Which it didn’t, and couldn’t) or I’m happy to leave it to the ref.

VAR is just another example of a flawed system in which humans use their judgement. All we are doing is adding another layer of the flaw in the system.

I’m happy without it.

[halo se7en]

Hold up hold up.

Don’t we still have ‘passive’ offside?
Am sure Sydney got away with 2 passive reviews during the experiment stage of VAR that were anything but black and white.

Again if they make the law black and white I’m happy to use the tech.

As for Muscat, ok so you believe it to be an easy red.

Bobo lifted his leg and attacked a defenceless opponent off the ball. Surely the VAR would apply the same criteria? Nope.

The first Gypo one was worse than the 2nd Gypo one, the santalab one was worse than both (santalab didn’t even get looked at).

Either VAR gets them ALL right (Which it didn’t, and couldn’t) or I’m happy to leave it to the ref.

VAR is just another example of a flawed system in which humans use their judgement. All we are doing is adding another layer of the flaw in the system.

I’m happy without it.

OK, so there's the passive offside interpretation. I'll give you that. If in doubt, go with the call on the field, but if VAR can get 80% of offside calls in relation to goals correct, surely that's still better than leaving it up to a flip of the coin?

I don't agree with the way it was used for the Gypo's cards at all. The ref should have called yellow/red on the spot and stuck with his decision. Those types of interventions aren't called for (hence my calls that VAR can be improved). Santalab & Llorente both should have been dealt with on the spot by the ref also - but all four of these instances shows what happens when you have an inconsistent ref.

I don't know why Bobo's wasn't called a red, but I'm happy for VAR to be used to look at it in the first instance. The fault IMO lay with whoever it was who reviewed it and failed to call it red (the head ref or whoever he is has since stated the personnel is going to change and they're reeling in what they review). But without VAR that was completely missed in the first place. In future that sort of act is likely to be called red more often than not, which is an improvement on now. An effective VAR might also mean that backplay rubbish starts to disappear when players know they won't get away with it. Bobo himself likely won't try it again knowing it's been scrutinised so heavily already.

Cricket & League are examples of where the video goes too far. The run outs were simple to decide, the rest is very grey. It seems to work in tennis OK, not that I've watched it for years now.

Essentially though, the biggest complaints about VAR seem to be how long it takes to review something, and the inconsistency of when and how it's used... both things which can be refined and improved upon.

In saying all that... if it was disappear tomorrow, I wouldn't lose sleep. But I don't mind them trialing it.

[The Dunster]

We have legalised gambling on matches and people are concerned with the VAR.

[q-money]

yeah it's costing me money ffs

[MFKS]

OK, so there's the passive offside interpretation. I'll give you that. If in doubt, go with the call on the field, but if VAR can get 80% of offside calls in relation to goals correct, surely that's still better than leaving it up to a flip of the coin?

I don't agree with the way it was used for the Gypo's cards at all. The ref should have called yellow/red on the spot and stuck with his decision. Those types of interventions aren't called for (hence my calls that VAR can be improved). Santalab & Llorente both should have been dealt with on the spot by the ref also - but all four of these instances shows what happens when you have an inconsistent ref.

I don't know why Bobo's wasn't called a red, but I'm happy for VAR to be used to look at it in the first instance. The fault IMO lay with whoever it was who reviewed it and failed to call it red (the head ref or whoever he is has since stated the personnel is going to change and they're reeling in what they review). But without VAR that was completely missed in the first place. In future that sort of act is likely to be called red more often than not, which is an improvement on now. An effective VAR might also mean that backplay rubbish starts to disappear when players know they won't get away with it. Bobo himself likely won't try it again knowing it's been scrutinised so heavily already.

Cricket & League are examples of where the video goes too far. The run outs were simple to decide, the rest is very grey. It seems to work in tennis OK, not that I've watched it for years now.

Essentially though, the biggest complaints about VAR seem to be how long it takes to review something, and the inconsistency of when and how it's used... both things which can be refined and improved upon.

In saying all that... if it was disappear tomorrow, I wouldn't lose sleep. But I don't mind them trialing it.

But your point about cricket and Drugby league is where the technology has gone too far is exactly where it has also gone in football

Too far

These ****ers now are looking at shit in back play and are now apparently over ruling on the ball tackles the ref has seen

So they going too far

You want to refine it

Cut it out with this ridiculous level of use

Just review the goal scoring incident after a goal has been scored for howlers and then get on with


As for your points on Bobo and Muscat getting away with stuff in back play.
The FFA already have the power to sanction them on video review after the game etc

Where this is going wrong is the VAR is now acting on SOME not ALL instances mid game

That to me where you are going too far also.

[plague]

We have legalised gambling on matches and people are concerned with the VAR.

commie

[westjet]

The argument of speeding up the process always seems to be bought up to the it takes too long drawback. I would love to know how people think this can be done. How do you speed up a process that is looking at controversial moments with need numerous views/angles/magnification etc. The offsides and goal line can be done quick as it only takes 1 view usually. But look at the handball on the weekend there is no getting around they need a heap of views to decide. By using it for all these other moments i find it difficult to see it being sped up. If they limit the views then we will still get the same inconsistent results and more outcry.

[Jetmaster]

I will guarantee that Adelaide are more incensed at the VAR call than they would have been had it been just a ref error with no VAR.

It heightens emotions...

[plague]

If y’all wanna see where this shit will end up go check out the Patriots/Steelers NFL game today.

Those mother****ers can’t even explain what a catch is.

Burn it all down



hashtagplaguehadthesteelersmoneylinegoddamnit

[belchardo]

If y’all wanna see where this shit will end up go check out the Patriots/Steelers NFL game today.

Those mother****ers can’t even explain what a catch is.

Burn it all down



hashtagplaguehadthesteelersmoneylinegoddamnit

that was pretty amazing. if that wasn't a catch, then nothing is.

[halo se7en]

But your point about cricket and Drugby league is where the technology has gone too far is exactly where it has also gone in football

Too far

These ****ers now are looking at shit in back play and are now apparently over ruling on the ball tackles the ref has seen

So they going too far

You want to refine it

Cut it out with this ridiculous level of use

Just review the goal scoring incident after a goal has been scored for howlers and then get on with


As for your points on Bobo and Muscat getting away with stuff in back play.
The FFA already have the power to sanction them on video review after the game etc

Where this is going wrong is the VAR is now acting on SOME not ALL instances mid game

That to me where you are going too far also.

I feel like we’re mostly agreeing. With the back play clear red cards though, I think if Bobo commits a foul against Melb City, City should at least have the benefit of him being off the field, rather than waiting for the MRP.

But yeah, limit it’s use to B & W incidents, don’t use it for on the ball incidents outside either box, and try to keep it in the background as much as possible.

[parksey]

Dumbest. F@#king. Response. Ever.

No-one gives a flying frogs fat arse if you, or anyone else, doesn't care about incorrect decisions. The vast majority of fans do. And the VAR makes the vast majority of decisions right. Foxtel loves to make a big deal out "controversy" because that's how they get people to listen to their shite opinions.

I care if shit-heads like Manny Muscat elbow someone in the head. I care if Gypos go studs up into challenges and don't get sent off. I care if we get a goal ruled offside when it clearly wasn't because a defender played it. I care if Brisbane get awarded a goal against us when there was a clear off-side in the build-up. Need I go on?

It isn't perfect, but anyone deluded enough to think it should be doesn't deserve a megaphone to spout their ridiculous opinions.

My two most hated expressions are "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and "that's the way we've always done it". Dumb-f@#kers who give me that at work get fired.
VAR is a massive improvement and there is no reason to remove it.

And this is the most ignorant post ever if you think VAR will ever eradicate bad refereeing decisions from the game. I think I and a lot of football fans (being the most played and watched sport in the world for a century) can live with the odd bad call.

In before "I don't want perfect, I just want better"/"It just needs to be improved".

[MFKS]

On another note Bobo ain't getting suspended as the VAR looked at it the time

Griff sack whack thing all over

Ironic Berisha got done because the VAR didn't look at it

[hawk]

if you think VAR will ever eradicate bad refereeing decisions from the game. .

Thats the whole issue.

We havent got anyone/ref who can interpret and implement the system at any consistent level. So we have to dumb it down to offsides, handballs, ball over line stuff. maybe some back play off the ball grub stuff could be added.

[belchardo]

jesus. just watched the a-league hour on fox. first time i've seen the red cards in the gypo derby. ridiculous that they were overturned for reds. i would have had no problem if the ref had given them straight red at the time, but i just don't see them as worthy of changing after watching a replay.

they also had delovski on the panel for a bit. apparently the VAR is being brought in to provide "consistency". **** me, we are going to end a lot of games with 2 players on each side. unsurprisingly, there was absolutely no discussion about the bobo challenge on muscat.

some of the interview is on the foxsports page: https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league

[plague]

I still think a lot of people missed the point last night.

Strebre wasn’t there to explain VAR, because Strebre IS the VAR.

People think it’s some geenyus computer system that takes out human error.

Nope, it’s just another human prone to the same errors as the bloke in the middle.

I don’t need more Strebres thanks.

[The Dunster]

they also had delovski on the panel for a bit. apparently the VAR is being brought in to provide "consistency". **** me, we are going to end a lot of games with 2 players on each side. unsurprisingly, there was absolutely no discussion about the bobo challenge on muscat.

Is the Bobo incident under review or has Alex Brosque determined Bobo has no case to answer to ?

[hawk]

Is the Bobo incident under review or has Alex Brosque determined Bobo has no case to answer to ?

Nah, blue aids are exempt from reds and yellows

[halo se7en]

I still think a lot of people missed the point last night.

Strebre wasn’t there to explain VAR, because Strebre IS the VAR.

People think it’s some geenyus computer system that takes out human error.

Nope, it’s just another human prone to the same errors as the bloke in the middle.

I don’t need more Strebres thanks.

You realise there's a difference between a human making a split second decision from possibly an obstructed or not-so-great viewpoint... and a human making a decision after watching several replays from several angles? I'm not saying it's perfect, but surely you can see which one has the potential for a higher number of correct calls?

[MFKS]

You realise there's a difference between a human making a split second decision from possibly an obstructed or not-so-great viewpoint... and a human making a decision after watching several replays from several angles? I'm not saying it's perfect, but surely you can see which one has the potential for a higher number of correct calls?

Yet despite the replays they are getting shit wrong

That penalty we got on Saturday
FFS who the **** they think they kidding that this is handball??

FMD I will take it

But not in a million years was that the correct call

[Macca]

The difference between VAR and video ref is its not supposed to make correct calls. Its supposed to remove obvious errors. Consider it being the same as the hawkeye in the cricket where it says the ball is demolishing leg stump but only 49% of it is hitting the stumps so the umpire's call that it was going down leg will stand. Same deal.

Ref in our game made the split second call that it was a handball. Upon viewing replays we all go "Jeez that's a harsh call". But was it an obvious error? That's where the VAR comes unstuck, they obviously decided it was not an "obvious" error (aka its understandable that the ref thought it was a handball) so it was not overturned.

[Jetmaster]

You realise there's a difference between a human making a split second decision from possibly an obstructed or not-so-great viewpoint... and a human making a decision after watching several replays from several angles? I'm not saying it's perfect, but surely you can see which one has the potential for a higher number of correct calls?

As I alluded above - think for a minute, if there was no VAR what would have happened? We would have been given a dodgy penalty. Adelaide would have been pissed off but it would have been a story for 24-48 hours. Bozza would have whinged and we move on.

With the VAR we got the same decision, but we also got highly charged emotions resulting in a coach being sent, players losing it, Ernie looking embarrassed and it is still being talked about. This is not just about getting the decision right - it is about the impact it is having on the spectacle, the game itself and the emotions of all involved including the fans. Poor calls are a part of the game - get over it.

Just listened to Fox podcast - Simon Hill was ready to unleash for the full pod on VAR but they put a time limit on it. He's right in that there are plenty of other things in the league that need money above a techno trial. Loved the talk on goal line technology used in the EPL.

Peacock - "can't get it because it's ridiculously expensive".

Hill - "well get someone to sponsor it - they found a sponsor for VAR quick enough!"

[belchardo]

But was it an obvious error? That's where the VAR comes unstuck, they obviously decided it was not an "obvious" error (aka its understandable that the ref thought it was a handball) so it was not overturned.

see this is where i have the issue. what is "obvious"? strebre was adamant that those two red card decisions were obviously incorrect calls, but who apart from him (and the ref he convinced on the field - i think strebre was the VAR that night) thought it was an obvious error to give them yellow cards?

similarly, wasn't it "obvious" that bobo not getting at least a yellow was an error? VAR obviously didn't think so, cause it wasn't looked at (perhaps the time between the foul and fox picking it up was too long anyway).

i don't mind that our penalty decision wasn't overturned (although i'd be spewing if it was a penalty against us). i didn't think it was "obvious" that it was an error. from memory, we still haven't seen a camera angle from the other side of the field.

if we are going to be "consistent", as strebre said was the motive behind introducing the technology, don't we have to review every single tackle to see if they have made contact with the legs in the same manner as the two mariners players? or check every tackle to see if anybody swings an elbow in the process? i'm not arguing about the merits or otherwise of any of the red cards, just about the fairness of the situation. mind you, when the opposition captain (thwaite) is yelling at the ref about how stupid a red card to the opposition is, i feel it's pretty obvious (that word again!) that an error has been made.

and there are two things i can see happening more. players going down and staying down (like the guy that muscat hit - he seemed to pop straight up once he knew the review was on), and players reacting more outrageously to any tackle that ends up with somebody on the ground (think isiais every time anybody comes within 25m of him). anything to slow the game down to allow the VAR to have a look at something.

[halo se7en]

As I alluded above - think for a minute, if there was no VAR what would have happened? We would have been given a dodgy penalty. Adelaide would have been pissed off but it would have been a story for 24-48 hours. Bozza would have whinged and we move on.

With the VAR we got the same decision, but we also got highly charged emotions resulting in a coach being sent, players losing it, Ernie looking embarrassed and it is still being talked about. This is not just about getting the decision right - it is about the impact it is having on the spectacle, the game itself and the emotions of all involved including the fans. Poor calls are a part of the game - get over it.

Just listened to Fox podcast - Simon Hill was ready to unleash for the full pod on VAR but they put a time limit on it. He's right in that there are plenty of other things in the league that need money above a techno trial. Loved the talk on goal line technology used in the EPL.

Peacock - "can't get it because it's ridiculously expensive".

Hill - "well get someone to sponsor it - they found a sponsor for VAR quick enough!"

If there’s no VAR I get pissed that Nabbout’s goal was ruled offside. You don’t think Adelaide fans and coaching staff wouldn’t have been pissed with that handball call anyway? I’ve walked out of there way too many times disgusted at the refereeing, when the refereeing shouldn’t even be an issue, not to the extent it has been. Last season there were so many calls that made you wonder whether they were bent.

And before you mention the errors with VAR, how long have we had it? 11 rounds? Compared to how many decades and decades of refs who still make huge blunders.

I don’t want games & seasons to be decided by big referee errors. Can I see refs ever improving? No. Can I see VAR being improved. Absolutely.

[halo se7en]

see this is where i have the issue. what is "obvious"? strebre was adamant that those two red card decisions were obviously incorrect calls, but who apart from him (and the ref he convinced on the field - i think strebre was the VAR that night) thought it was an obvious error to give them yellow cards?

similarly, wasn't it "obvious" that bobo not getting at least a yellow was an error? VAR obviously didn't think so, cause it wasn't looked at (perhaps the time between the foul and fox picking it up was too long anyway).

i don't mind that our penalty decision wasn't overturned (although i'd be spewing if it was a penalty against us). i didn't think it was "obvious" that it was an error. from memory, we still haven't seen a camera angle from the other side of the field.

if we are going to be "consistent", as strebre said was the motive behind introducing the technology, don't we have to review every single tackle to see if they have made contact with the legs in the same manner as the two mariners players? or check every tackle to see if anybody swings an elbow in the process? i'm not arguing about the merits or otherwise of any of the red cards, just about the fairness of the situation. mind you, when the opposition captain (thwaite) is yelling at the ref about how stupid a red card to the opposition is, i feel it's pretty obvious (that word again!) that an error has been made.

and there are two things i can see happening more. players going down and staying down (like the guy that muscat hit - he seemed to pop straight up once he knew the review was on), and players reacting more outrageously to any tackle that ends up with somebody on the ground (think isiais every time anybody comes within 25m of him). anything to slow the game down to allow the VAR to have a look at something.

Kris Griffiths Jones said there was no other camera angle available for the Jets penalty.

It shouldn’t be used for anything outside the 18’s unless the linesmen or ref stops play because they thought they saw an off the ball incident, like they did pre-VAR. But instead of discussing what they thought they saw, they can look at the replay. Pretty much save it for things like elbows, stamps, that sort of thuggish shit that goes on behind play.

[plague]

You realise there's a difference between a human making a split second decision from possibly an obstructed or not-so-great viewpoint... and a human making a decision after watching several replays from several angles? I'm not saying it's perfect, but surely you can see which one has the potential for a higher number of correct calls?

Using this weekend just finished as your evidence?

Nope.

In my opinion the ref got a bigger % of his calls correct than the VAR did.

and before we start, there is no way to categorically prove any of them except for 1 (Which the VAR got right).

Which is why I’m happy for that ‘one’ to be judged, and not the others.

[MFKS]

If there’s no VAR I get pissed that Nabbout’s goal was ruled offside. You don’t think Adelaide fans and coaching staff wouldn’t have been pissed with that handball call anyway? I’ve walked out of there way too many times disgusted at the refereeing, when the refereeing shouldn’t even be an issue, not to the extent it has been. Last season there were so many calls that made you wonder whether they were bent.

And before you mention the errors with VAR, how long have we had it? 11 rounds? Compared to how many decades and decades of refs who still make huge blunders.

I don’t want games & seasons to be decided by big referee errors. Can I see refs ever improving? No. Can I see VAR being improved. Absolutely.

I remember a certain game where Jimmy Holland handballed the ****er in the box

Season was decided on the refs decision

Vukoshit lost his mind.

Gypos lost the GF

Jets won the GF with history showing Griff scored the winning goal

Gypo peasents can burn about the injustice of it whilst I wallow in the joy for all eternity



Don't want refs deciding seasons ??

FFS they decided our finest ever moment.

I will be forever grateful to Mark Breeze being a blind ****

[halo se7en]

Using this weekend just finished as your evidence?

Nope.

In my opinion the ref got a bigger % of his calls correct than the VAR did.

and before we start, there is no way to categorically prove any of them except for 1 (Which the VAR got right).

Which is why I’m happy for that ‘one’ to be judged, and not the others.

Based on the general consensus of decisions....

Nabbout - correct after review
Brama - correct after review, although review shouldn’t have happened but did because ref made wrong call in the first instance
McGing - I still haven’t seen the tackle, was it a yellow or red? Either way, ref ****ed up in the first instance by going to review
Muscat - correct after review, not sure how ref would have called it
Bobo - incorrect after review, but ref didn’t even know it happened
Jets pen - ref & review both incorrect
Berisha - correct after review (although I’m getting that second hand, I haven’t seen it)

When you say the ref got a bigger % of calls correct than VAR, what exactly did you mean?

[halo se7en]

Anyway, as I said before, I won’t lose sleep if they trash it. I just think there’s way too much made of it in the media & it’s not doing that badly as it’s made out.

[belchardo]

McGing - I still haven’t seen the tackle, was it a yellow or red? Either way, ref ****ed up in the first instance by going to review

on this, can the ref tell the VAR to bugger off without going to the video? can't imagine chris beath going to a review, he was always 1,000,000% correct.


Berisha - correct after review (although I’m getting that second hand, I haven’t seen it)

definitely correct review.

[plague]

Based on the general consensus of decisions....

Nabbout - correct after review - agreed, hence why im half ok with offsides in VAR
Brama - correct after review, although review shouldn’t have happened but did because ref made wrong call in the first instance - debatable, hence my concern.
McGing - I still haven’t seen the tackle, was it a yellow or red? Either way, ref ****ed up in the first instance by going to review - debatable hence my concern.
Muscat - correct after review, not sure how ref would have called it - debatable hence my concern.
Bobo - incorrect after review, but ref didn’t even know it happened - debatable hence my concern.
Jets pen - ref & review both incorrect - debatable hence my concern.
Berisha - correct after review (although I’m getting that second hand, I haven’t seen it) - debatable hence my concern.

When you say the ref got a bigger % of calls correct than VAR, what exactly did you mean?

ok sorry i didnt phrase it very well.

For the decisions i believe VAR 'should' be involved in it would be 100% for the weekend (City goal, Nabout goal).

For the decisions VAR got involved in that i dont think it should have been involved with, i hand it over to John Q Public who are arguing furiously over ALL of them. VAR took a side, and case by case there are people saying that EVERY single one of the VAR decisions are wrong. Thats why i dont think it should be involved in most of the decisions you gave your opinion on above. So according to the public, VAR is somewhere between 100% wrong, and 100% right.

If you add up all the free kicks, offsides, throw ins, goal kicks, corners, dives and time wasting, im happy with the amount of decisions the bloke in the middle gets right every week. and i certainly believe there is less debate about those decisions that the ones VAR is involved in.

[Premy]

Simple fact is.
VAR doesn't get rid of the controversy surrounding dubious decision, it simply shifts it. It's what I've been saying to my mate all along. You only have to look at every other sport that has anything similar, the controversy is just shifted.

Let's just accepted that Referees make mistakes, sometimes it cost teams games. Players and Referees make mistakes every day, if any of these mistakes look like match fixing then launch an investigation into the incident.

Put VAR in the bin and lets move on, Goal line technology can stay.

Check out this Nostradamus, 6 months later and here we are.

[The Dunster]

Refs need to be full time professionals and they also need to be paid accordingly. The current situation has them getting paid peanuts and essentially being told they are not good enough and incapable of making decisions.

That they do a better job than the VAR is a miracle in itself.

[MFKS]

Refs need to be full time professionals and they also need to be paid accordingly. The current situation has them getting paid peanuts and essentially being told they are not good enough and incapable of making decisions.

That they do a better job than the VAR is a miracle in itself.

That to me is a bullshit argument

You honestly telling me if Chris Beath Gillette and that wanker Shaun Evans get a pay rise and are on 300 K a year that they ain't going to be the same useless blind cheating cunce they are??

I don't think so

You want the level of remuneration to be adequate it keeps the scourge of gambling/match fixing away

But paying these cunce ridiculous amounts of money ain't going to make their eye sight better

[The Dunster]

That to me is a bullshit argument

You honestly telling me if Chris Beath Gillette and that wanker Shaun Evans get a pay rise and are on 300 K a year that they ain't going to be the same useless blind cheating cunce they are??

I don't think so

You want the level of remuneration to be adequate it keeps the scourge of gambling/match fixing away

But paying these cunce ridiculous amounts of money ain't going to make their eye sight better

I wasn't referring to match fixing and the like. What I'm suggesting is more investment into referees at all level of their development - and ultimately, make becoming a professional referee a viable career option - which it's currently not.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Just the same as you can attribute the National teams relative mediocrity compared to times in the past, on grassroots development and probably more importantly those in the 10-15 age bracket.
Referees grassroots is the problem.
I’d actually be interested in seeing retention rates over 5 years.
There’s probably 60 odd new referees each year in inter district, you’d be lucky if 5 were there in 5 years time.
Approximately 10%.
Ask why? Address that and you may just improve the quality/commitment to development.

[Jetmaster]

Gotta laugh - they are tweaking outside the guidelines, they're lost.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/ffa-makes-changes-to-the-var-following-a-series-of-controversies-in-the-aleague/news-story/e5fb4d9f18d691933a48671722799b17

At least the red card upgrade is gone and it will focus on "match changing situations only"...wasn't that the original idea?

[belchardo]

the article is very well balanced and considered. it almost seems as if it's the fans, players, coaches and commentators that are the unreasonable ones!

"moved to end hysteria"

"weight of criticism — bordering on abuse"

nothing in that article convinces me that there will be any changes. "match-changing situations" is anytime the VAR gets involved!

[MFKS]

Gotta laugh - they are tweaking outside the guidelines, they're lost.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/ffa-makes-changes-to-the-var-following-a-series-of-controversies-in-the-aleague/news-story/e5fb4d9f18d691933a48671722799b17

At least the red card upgrade is gone and it will focus on "match changing situations only"...wasn't that the original idea?

It ain't like the FFA pay attention to anyone bar themselves anyway

Didn't FIFA tell them to expand their membership and they couldn't even get that done by November 30??

Cant wait for the normalisation committee to come in .
Hopefully the government get involved and do us all a ****ing favour and disband the state feds why we at it

[belchardo]

It ain't like the FFA pay attention to anyone bar themselves anyway

Didn't FIFA tell them to expand their membership and they couldn't even get that done by November 30??

Cant wait for the normalisation committee to come in .
Hopefully the government get involved and do us all a ****ing favour and disband the state feds why we at it

so you know that government involvement is one of the things that FIFA bans countries for, yeah?

[MFKS]

so you know that government involvement is one of the things that FIFA bans countries for, yeah?

Yeah don't believe that BS the media like to spin

Sure worked when the Government got involved last time and put Lowy in charge didn't it ??

Government involvement in Football Federation affairs happens across the planet

Ain't seen anyone with any sway get the flick.
Just pick on some defenceless African or Asian minnows they do who no one misses

[outsider]

Refs need to be full time professionals and they also need to be paid accordingly. The current situation has them getting paid peanuts and essentially being told they are not good enough and incapable of making decisions.

That they do a better job than the VAR is a miracle in itself.

Three of the referees are full time professional already

[halo se7en]

Gotta laugh - they are tweaking outside the guidelines, they're lost.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/ffa-makes-changes-to-the-var-following-a-series-of-controversies-in-the-aleague/news-story/e5fb4d9f18d691933a48671722799b17

At least the red card upgrade is gone and it will focus on "match changing situations only"...wasn't that the original idea?

Isn’t this is a good thing though? If something apparently isn’t working, tweak it so it works better. It’s better than complete denial and having the FFA say it’s working perfectly.

[The Dunster]

Three of the referees are full time professional already

it's probably the three worst as well knowing the FFA.

[hawk]

Put VAR in the bin and lets move on, Goal line technology can stay.

Check out this Nostradamus, 6 months later and here we are.

Nah. there is a place for it but since the refs cant agree on anything we have to make it for a few basic scenarios.

The red card calls can go first

[380]

The few refs a season the FFA offered full time gigs to has has gone backwards in there performance.

[plague]

Isn’t this is a good thing though? If something apparently isn’t working, tweak it so it works better. It’s better than complete denial and having the FFA say it’s working perfectly.

this is a correct statement.

glad the Double Eff Aye acknowledged the nonsense that went on last weekend. still a bit worried about "game changing decisions".

think back to our win over Victory, should VAR have stepped in on the ballboy assistance goal?

i mean it was a 'game changing decision' and it was clearly an indiscretion (throw in not taken from the spot).

again, under the new guidelines it 'could' be reviewed, but geez they better ****ing not.

[plague]

ok so the Matt McKay thing.

Im sure the touchy came in and told the ref he saw McKay kick out.
Therefore its a straight red yeah?

But somehow ref gives McKay the free kick for the initial challenge, but only a yellow for the reaction, which was then upgraded via VAR.

Problem is, the only way he gets a yellow is for retaliation. so the ref (or touchy) either saw the kick out or they didnt. theres nothing else he could have been carded for.

yet then it gets (correctly) upgraded.

so what did the ref give the initial yellow for?

did he give a yellow so it then became eligible for the VAR to look at?

man this is confusing.

[belchardo]

did he give a yellow so it then became eligible for the VAR to look at?

i didn't thnk the ref needed to give a yellow to bring in the VAR. in that situation, the VAR could have just said "potential red card" to the ref.

[monz6]

ok so the Matt McKay thing.

Im sure the touchy came in and told the ref he saw McKay kick out.
Therefore its a straight red yeah?

But somehow ref gives McKay the free kick for the initial challenge, but only a yellow for the reaction, which was then upgraded via VAR.

Problem is, the only way he gets a yellow is for retaliation. so the ref (or touchy) either saw the kick out or they didnt. theres nothing else he could have been carded for.

yet then it gets (correctly) upgraded.

so what did the ref give the initial yellow for?

did he give a yellow so it then became eligible for the VAR to look at?

man this is confusing.

I thought it looked like they were checking it, then he gave the card, then he got told to upgrade. So as you said, what did he give the initial yellow for? Unfortunately that question most likely won’t be answered because heaven forbid a referee is questioned

[monz6]

Again on refereeeing, Kal Fallah either was just fouled or he dived. No foul was given so why didn’t he get a second yellow for diving

[Jetmaster]

Please explain....the VAR can upgrade a yellow but the MRP can't?

[halo se7en]

Please explain....the VAR can upgrade a yellow but the MRP can't?

I don’t think the VAR ‘upgrades’. I think it just flatly overrules the ref. As others have said, why the yellow was given to McKay in the first place is confusing.

[WolfMan]

Hate the VAR, but the decision was correct in the end.

Bozza could hardly hide his erection under the Fox Sports desk at halftime

[plague]

Hate the VAR, but the decision was correct in the end.


oh i agree the decision ended up being right.

im just confused as to how we got there, because it made the ref look really bad.

[Jetmaster]

I noted at our game last week that questionable incidents are still blacked out on the big screen.
However the VAR gets no such treatment.
As already said....its confusing.

[380]

I noted at our game last week that questionable incidents are still blacked out on the big screen.
However the VAR gets no such treatment.
As already said....its confusing.

Our CEO was asked about this a few weeks ago re the non replaying of decisions on the big screen and said something along the lines of it would be rectified. it was for a couple of games but for some reason if my memory serves me correctly once again at the most recent game replays were not being shown. About as consistent as the VAR itself.

[Jetmaster]

The funny thing is the reason those blackouts happen in the first place.

To prevent inciting the crowd - VAR sure has stopped that.

[halo se7en]

The funny thing is the reason those blackouts happen in the first place.

To prevent inciting the crowd - VAR sure has stopped that.

Or it’s to stop players/managers going off at the ref telling them to look up at the screen.

[380]

I should add Lawrie did say when quizzed about this originally that the replays would be in place the next home game and true to his word they were. I have seen weekends where replays of calls are not replayed on ours but you can clearly see them being televised at other grounds when watching on fox.

[Jetmaster]

Or it’s to stop players/managers going off at the ref telling them to look up at the screen.

Heard Aloisi yell a few weeks ago in Brisbane "go upstairs" at a ref.

[hawk]

I have seen weekends where replays of calls are not replayed on ours but you can clearly see them being televised at other grounds when watching on fox.

Wtf is going on there. newy treated like trash by the FFAtards

[MFKS]

Another reason VAR is a joke

Blind **** linesman flags Gameiro tonight when he onside and one on one with keeper and play gets pulled up incorrectly

WSW go up other end and score whilst Roar could have been celebrating taking a 1-0 lead

#Farce

[Retro Jet]

I just saw the replay.
I know there's no love lost with SantaScab but FMD, Maccarone's elbow not going unpunished?
If that was Nabbout on the end of that we'd be spitin' chips...and maybe Nabbout spittin' teeth!

So, no card issued. MRP territory anyone? 2 games - minimum :grin:

[hawk]

I just saw the replay.
I know there's no love lost with SantaScab but FMD, Maccarone's elbow not going unpunished?
If that was Nabbout on the end of that we'd be spitin' chips...and maybe Nabbout spittin' teeth!

So, no card issued. MRP territory anyone? 2 games - minimum :grin:

no. Scab deserves everything he gets plus some. play-on

[WolfMan]

Another reason VAR is a joke

Blind **** linesman flags Gameiro tonight when he onside and one on one with keeper and play gets pulled up incorrectly

WSW go up other end and score whilst Roar could have been celebrating taking a 1-0 lead

#Farce
VAR can't do anything about a decision like that. What are they gonna do? Give them the ball back in a 1-on-1 with the 'keeper?

[plague]

I just saw the replay.
I know there's no love lost with SantaScab but FMD, Maccarone's elbow not going unpunished?
If that was Nabbout on the end of that we'd be spitin' chips...and maybe Nabbout spittin' teeth!

So, no card issued. MRP territory anyone? 2 games - minimum :grin:

what about old mate from Perth who broke the Roar dudes face?

Way worse than the Micah v Sydney one. But not a mention of a foul by the commentators let alone a booking from the ref or VAR.

No consistency with the tech, let’s go back to the anarchy without it.

[MFKS]

VAR can't do anything about a decision like that. What are they gonna do? Give them the ball back in a 1-on-1 with the 'keeper?

To me the problem is having it in the first place

The linesman does not flag then Gameiro scores and we go to VAR and get approval

When you don't flag and get it wrong because you didn't use it you look a fool

To me it going to cause more issues when the linesman all just go **** it and don't call anything at all and leave it to VAR

[Retro Jet]

sCCuM supporters heard chanting V A R, V A R in Geelong tonight
when they thought Thomas handled outside his box.

Cringeworthy....

[MFKS]

sCCuM supporters heard chanting V A R, V A R in Geelong tonight
when they thought Thomas handled outside his box.

Cringeworthy....

What??

All 4 of them??

[WolfMan]

sCCuM supporters heard chanting V A R, V A R in Geelong tonight
when they thought Thomas handled outside his box.

Cringeworthy....

That’s happened at MJS, and yep it’s awful

[WolfMan]

To me the problem is having it in the first place

The linesman does not flag then Gameiro scores and we go to VAR and get approval

When you don't flag and get it wrong because you didn't use it you look a fool

To me it going to cause more issues when the linesman all just go **** it and don't call anything at all and leave it to VAR

1,000% agree with the no call issue you mention. Been my stance from before it was even implemented, citing NRL touch judges who just run up and down a line for a while and never make a decision.

But, in this instance in isolation, the assistant made a (wrong) decision which robbed a goal-scoring opportunity. So, 2 things - unfortunately, this will be used as a perfect example why VAR should remain beyond a trial period (ignoring the fact it was in place and human error was and always will be a factor). And secondly, well done to the assistant for believing in their human eyes etc. and not being pressured into a “no-call” to be safe

[Jetmaster]

First trial of VAR happening in England now in Carabao Cup.

Same things being trotted out - "minimal disruption", "only game changing decisions", "here to stay" etc etc.

Can't wait for a VAR to cost Wenger or Jose a game.

TBH - I think trials in England will make or break this.

[MFKS]

I can't wait to see Mourinho blow his top once it costs Man Ure

Forget the ****ing HAL and the incompetent cunce at the FFA etc

The VAR has that many holes in it anywhere in the world

EPL will show it up on a bigger scale

Twitter to go into meltdown like never before etc

[Grimario]

Or maybe the official making the calls won't be an inept fool like the jokers we have here and will get all of the calls right?

[&1gest]

Be afraid!! very afraid!!
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/950442861304188960 (https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/950442861304188960)

[MFKS]

Or maybe the official making the calls won't be an inept fool like the jokers we have here and will get all of the calls right?

I agree the jokers here in Australia are making it much worse

Refs in UK are better but VAR has flaws

There is always going to be grey areas

Probably handy the title race is already seen up before this comes in and costs someone a trophy

[halo se7en]

The EPL commentators have been mentioning it a lot over the past few months and a lot of fans on a DB I visit are calling out for it. The VAR in itself is a good idea. It's the application of it that depends whether it's successful or not.

[Jeterpool]

The EPL commentators have been mentioning it a lot over the past few months and a lot of fans on a DB I visit are calling out for it. The VAR in itself is a good idea. It's the application of it that depends whether it's successful or not.

Who is sponsoring their VAR?

[Jetmaster]

The EPL commentators have been mentioning it a lot over the past few months and a lot of fans on a DB I visit are calling out for it. The VAR in itself is a good idea. It's the application of it that depends whether it's successful or not.

Sign of things to come though that there was concerns about reactions off the field, not on it.


Given the sometimes fractious history between Crystal Palace and Brighton fans, the FA will be hoping for a quiet night where any potential refereeing errors do not fan the flames.

Wait till the big boys get involved.

I know one thing already - with VAR I can no longer celebrate a goal like I used to. I look to the linesman and then the ref and then the screen and the emotion is gone.

[Jeterpool]

I know one thing already - with VAR I can no longer celebrate a goal like I used to. I look to the linesman and then the ref and then the screen and the emotion is gone.

Absolutely agree with you

[plague]

Or maybe the official making the calls won't be an inept fool like the jokers we have here and will get all of the calls right?

The same video officials that had video evidence of John Terry calling that dude a ‘black c***’ but then were like ‘nawwww it’s cool cool’?

Those bozos?

Good luck with that.

[pv4]

I still can't comprehend in what world was Maccarone's elbow/shoulder on Santalab not reviewed by the VAR.

This thing truly is a farce, in its current use/format. Embarrassing and pathetic.

[MFKS]

I still can't comprehend in what world was Maccarone's elbow/shoulder on Santalab not reviewed by the VAR.

This thing truly is a farce, in its current use/format. Embarrassing and pathetic.

Same as Bobo isn't it??

Bobo has now scored since he should have been rubbed out

Hat Trick v Phoenix
Hat Trick v Glory
Equaliser v Jets
First goal v Roar

So assuming he got 3 weeks that 7 goals he scored when Matt Simon would have missed all of them anyway

[halo se7en]

I know one thing already - with VAR I can no longer celebrate a goal like I used to. I look to the linesman and then the ref and then the screen and the emotion is gone.

Nah I'm still the same as before. When I watch live, I celebrate and instinctively glance first at the linesman then at the ref at the same time to make sure it stands. VAR hasn't changed anything.

[belchardo]

Nah I'm still the same as before. When I watch live, I celebrate and instinctively glance first at the linesman then at the ref at the same time to make sure it stands. VAR hasn't changed anything.

i'm the same, but also listen for additional whistles.

[Bremsstrahlung]

I’m the one at the ground that is pointing to the AR holding up his flag while everyone else celebrates.
Think it’s just what I’ve done when playing and refereeing.

[goaliepersempre]

I can def say they absolutely hate it in Germany... Goal Line technology perfect as it is straight forward ball in or out.. but when interpretation comes into it.. dislike... plus do you show the situation in real time or slow mo (tackles always look much much worse)

When we take the refs to such a high standard for say 1 mistake... what about players missing just 1 pass or 1 shot... Fully invest and professionalise refereeing is a much better use of the resource..

But I guess football is so to failing victim to instantanous goodfeeling, every one equal, social warrior, click bait modern times....

[MFKS]

Go check out the Arzani dive tonight

How VAR don't over turn the penalty is a joke

No contact FFS

[halo se7en]

Go check out the Arzani dive tonight

How VAR don't over turn the penalty is a joke

No contact FFS

It’s alright, the Perth defenders are starting to sort him out now. He won’t leave the West without a lot of bruises tonight lol

[Hunter403]

Let me guess, does the diver play for a Sydney or Melbourne team????

[MFKS]

Let me guess, does the diver play for a Sydney or Melbourne team????

Strangely enough that be yes

[halo se7en]

Lucky it was there otherwise gypo’s would have won. Horrendous decision to say no goal by linesman in the first place.

[MFKS]

Anyone catch the Watford game in the EPL

Refs missed a handball and they all want the VAR in the EPL now

Bring on the burn

[hawk]

var sorted that idiot linesman in the gypo game

[Jeterpool]

Well that didn't take long

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42630626


The big moment of controversy came when Willian went down after being caught by Klose in the area, but the Chelsea player was booked for diving.

Video official Mike Jones did not think there was a clear and obvious error with referee Graham Scott's decision - so they did not review the situation at length.

All of BBC Match of the Day's pundits thought it should have been a penalty, with Alan Shearer calling it a "shambles".

[MFKS]

I know they been using it for some FA Cup games

But when they start rolling it out in the EPL??

[Jeterpool]

I know they been using it for some FA Cup games

But when they start rolling it out in the EPL??

Unsure, myself.

[boz-monaut]

I know one thing already - with VAR I can no longer celebrate a goal like I used to. I look to the linesman and then the ref and then the screen and the emotion is gone.
not me, I run over to the fence, celebrate with my cousins for a good 34 seconds and generally carry on like a massive dickhead before checking to see if it's actually a goal

- Karim Bulut

[Jetmaster]

A good point about VAR in the EPL is that their range of cameras and coverage is far superior.

[plague]

I had to google who Alan Shearer was and it turns out he was a team mate on Robbie Slaters EPL winning Blackburn team.

[MFKS]

I had to google who Alan Shearer was and it turns out he was a team mate on Robbie Slaters EPL winning Blackburn team.

What the **** you on about

Bloke is a ****ing EPL legend

If he had of went to Man U in 92 he would have won a dozen league titles and scored 100 more goals

Unfortunately he kept going to teams there or there about a

How he would have went if he didn't do his knee early on his career would have been interesting.

He was still a fantastic player despite having a bung leg all his career

[Wilso8948]

Yeh only half good because of Slater for sure.

[Jetmaster]

Shearer was on the big screen at the very first Jets game welcoming the other "Noo-cassle" to the world of football.

[plague]

What the **** you on about

Bloke is a ****ing EPL legend

If he had of went to Man U in 92 he would have won a dozen league titles and scored 100 more goals

Unfortunately he kept going to teams there or there about a

How he would have went if he didn't do his knee early on his career would have been interesting.

He was still a fantastic player despite having a bung leg all his career

You are terrible at the internet.
I expected better from you.
Sad.

[MFKS]

You are terrible at the internet.
I expected better from you.
Sad.

I maybe terrible but if your going to pass yourself off as stupid do a better job

I expected better than you

Plastic blokes like Stanny would have no idea who this bloke is but it be like you telling my you never heard of Iniesta

[StannyCFCJET]

I maybe terrible but if your going to pass yourself off as stupid do a better job

I expected better than you

Plastic blokes like Stanny would have no idea who this bloke is but it be like you telling my you never heard of Iniesta

Shearer?? never heard of her. That blackburn team was all Chris Sutton

[plague]

Shearer?? never heard of her. That blackburn team was all Chris Sutton

See. That’s how you do it.

Well in Sir.

[plague]

oh jesus lord mercy.

brilliant just goes in late, studs up and though the player.

Slater, "well he's a little late, lucky not to get a card i guess".

VAR: here have a yellow.

ummm didnt think they could do yellows anymore?

[Jetmaster]

They were never supposed too.....

[belchardo]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/22/var-2018-world-cup

Some quality chuckles were had in the reading of this article.

[Jetmaster]

What does everyone think about the Smurf elbow last night? Looks to me after the last few weeks that they are now leaving those calls to the ref, like they said they would.
Should have been sent though.

[halo se7en]

What does everyone think about the Smurf elbow last night? Looks to me after the last few weeks that they are now leaving those calls to the ref, like they said they would.
Should have been sent though.

At the very least it was a yellow but that would have meant a second yellow and he was off. They’re not going to send their golden boy off- he’s got the JW medal sewn up at this rate. The guy comes across as a complete tool though.

[parksey]

Sydney Assistant Referee

[Jetmaster]

Good to hear Troisi and Muscat accusing the refs of favouring Smurfs, though the Fux boys quickly swept it aside.
Honestly though when you hear commentators go "oohhhh" and mentioning a name over and over you know they are into certain players.

[plague]

Manny Muscat still the only bloke to smash someone in the face with an elbow “the wrong way” all season apparently.

[belchardo]

Good to hear Troisi and Muscat accusing the refs of favouring Smurfs, though the Fux boys quickly swept it aside.
Honestly though when you hear commentators go "oohhhh" and mentioning a name over and over you know they are into certain players.

like "NINKO"!!!!

[The Dunster]

Good to hear Troisi and Muscat accusing the refs of favouring Smurfs, though the Fux boys quickly swept it aside.
Honestly though when you hear commentators go "oohhhh" and mentioning a name over and over you know they are into certain players.

I wonder if it's a Payola type scam whereby commentators get coin from a players management to mention the player favourably and as often as possible?

[The Dunster]

Sydney Assistant Referee

FFs Parksey his names Alex Brosque.

[380]

Good to hear Troisi and Muscat accusing the refs of favouring Smurfs, though the Fux boys quickly swept it aside.
Honestly though when you hear commentators go "oohhhh" and mentioning a name over and over you know they are into certain players.

Troisi didn't miss did he !. Overrated player but called it for what it is last night. Good on him.

How was that upstart Arnie shaking his head after Ninkovic copped a hack ? don't see the bloke showing the same body language when Brillante performs similar half a dozen times a game. You could half respect the bloke for what he achieved down the road on a shoestring budget but FMD the bloke is so full of himself these days. Can just see the bloke now at the next coaches meeting sitting in the corner all on his own with no one to blame but himself all down to his arrogance and lack of respect for other teams in the league.

[halo se7en]

Troisi didn't miss did he !. Overrated player but called it for what it is last night. Good on him.

How was that upstart Arnie shaking his head after Ninkovic copped a hack ? don't see the bloke showing the same body language when Brillante performs similar half a dozen times a game. You could half respect the bloke for what he achieved down the road on a shoestring budget but FMD the bloke is so full of himself these days. Can just see the bloke now at the next coaches meeting sitting in the corner all on his own with no one to blame but himself all down to his arrogance and lack of respect for other teams in the league.

The number of times the commentators gave us running updates on Ninkovic after that tackle was ridiculous. Almost every step he took they had to tell us if he was ok, slightly limping, back to a jog... it’s like they thought the whole world had collectively held their breath and blasted twitter #prayforninko

[The Dunster]

Troisi didn't miss did he !. Overrated player but called it for what it is last night. Good on him.

How was that upstart Arnie shaking his head after Ninkovic copped a hack ? don't see the bloke showing the same body language when Brillante performs similar half a dozen times a game. You could half respect the bloke for what he achieved down the road on a shoestring budget but FMD the bloke is so full of himself these days. Can just see the bloke now at the next coaches meeting sitting in the corner all on his own with no one to blame but himself all down to his arrogance and lack of respect for other teams in the league.

Even for Arnold a lot of his ramblings and actions of late have been way out of character. In the past he's been pretty much about the league - even said some good things about Newcastle when we were really struggling as a club and about how Lawrie and others here would get the Jets back on track.

But this season he's changed his public persona a lot. Maybe he's doing a Mundine / Ali and trying to create some interest in his team - because winning certainly hasn't helped lift their crowd numbers.

[plague]

You could half respect the bloke for what he achieved down the road on a shoestring budget but FMD the bloke is so full of himself these days.

firstly.no, the gypo **** never gets, nor deserves an ounce of respect from any propa Jets fan.

second, it takes a certain type of asshole that ticks every box of criteria the FFA were looking for in a new coach yet doesnt get a single second of thought from the people making the decision.

that my friends, is a talent in itself.

hes a loser, and a ****wit. sydney deserve him.

Hail Griff.

[The Dunster]

firstly.no, the gypo **** never gets, nor deserves an ounce of respect from any propa Jets fan.

second, it takes a certain type of asshole that ticks every box of criteria the FFA were looking for in a new coach yet doesnt get a single second of thought from the people making the decision.

that my friends, is a talent in itself.

hes a loser, and a ****wit. sydney deserve him.

Hail Griff.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3EAKx5o4Qv6Uac0s8w/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/3osxY8yHdijYBl6p2w/giphy.gif

[Jeterpool]

Expect some controversy and discussion on the system following today's Liverpool v West Brom game

[Jetmaster]

I for one am happy to foresake one or two bad calls a season for a flowing game. It isnt all about correct decisions and lets face it, this is all about money, not the good of the game.

[MFKS]

Even for Arnold a lot of his ramblings and actions of late have been way out of character. In the past he's been pretty much about the league - even said some good things about Newcastle when we were really struggling as a club and about how Lawrie and others here would get the Jets back on track.

But this season he's changed his public persona a lot. Maybe he's doing a Mundine / Ali and trying to create some interest in his team - because winning certainly hasn't helped lift their crowd numbers.

Nothing wrong with his rambling

No more of a moaning whining **** like Mourinho or SAF

Good on him for being the **** he always wanted to be and needs to be

Match made in heaven this **** and Blue Aids

[redwah]

Expect some controversy and discussion on the system following today's Liverpool v West Brom game

Unfortunately Jeterpool the VAR was the least of the problems from that game.....I have never seen such amateurish defending in my life.....and I play over35s....

[Jeterpool]

Unfortunately Jeterpool the VAR was the least of the problems from that game.....I have never seen such amateurish defending in my life.....and I play over35s....

100%. I don't have Optus and don't often get to see Liverpool play live.

They haven't inspired me to invest in Optus sport. Very disappointing.

[Jetmaster]

That's a 100 million pound defence there too.

[redwah]

That's a 100 million pound defence there too.

2bob the way they played

[Bremsstrahlung]

100%. I don't have Optus and don't often get to see Liverpool play live.

They haven't inspired me to invest in Optus sport. Very disappointing.

Can google “Liverpool” and there’s a highlights video from FA Cup available to watch.

[Jeterpool]

I failed to add I watched the game on foxtel. Espn have fa cup rights

[Bremsstrahlung]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5362031/amp/Referee-allows-offside-goal-flag-blocks-VAR-camera.html

[MFKS]

Nothing more needed than tonights farce to prove this thing is shit

Ikonomides goal give
Carruscas dive overturn as it not a foul
Topors handball. How the **** is that deliberate handball
Vedran dropping the ball into the net. Barely as foul. Justg shit goalkeeping. He dropped it into the net because he unco ****

****ing farce

World Cup going to be fun with this shit

[Jeterpool]

Hello. Where do i sign the VAR out petition?

[hawk]

Nothing more needed than tonights farce to prove this thing is shit

Ikonomides goal give
Carruscas dive overturn as it not a foul
Topors handball. How the **** is that deliberate handball
Vedran dropping the ball into the net. Barely as foul. Justg shit goalkeeping. He dropped it into the net because he unco ****

****ing farce

really? retarded refs are making the sh1t calls

First, the rules on handball have always been vague and second refs have never known how to fairly interpret when ruling on them.

fix those 2 right and no probs. 3rd var shouldn't be allowed to judge on vague interpretations, accidental hball, diving etc. offside call and Hoffs was fair.

[Jetmaster]

No VAR - Wanders get their first goal and pen.

We win 3-2 and rave about a great game.

With VAR, pandemonium - wait till EPL starts this shit.

[halo se7en]

No VAR - Wanders get their first goal and pen.

We win 3-2 and rave about a great game.

With VAR, pandemonium - wait till EPL starts this shit.

If that first goal is awarded, everything after that changes. I don't know why people assume that if something different happens in the first few minutes of a game, the rest of the game would play out exactly the same :lol: (p.s. not sure if you're just taking the piss, but that sort of comment does happen a lot!)

[Wilso8948]

If that first goal is awarded, everything after that changes. I don't know why people assume that if something different happens in the first few minutes of a game, the rest of the game would play out exactly the same :lol: (p.s. not sure if you're just taking the piss, but that sort of comment does happen a lot!)
Yeh except that wanderers scored like a minute after that happened soooo..

[Jetmaster]

If that first goal is awarded, everything after that changes. I don't know why people assume that if something different happens in the first few minutes of a game, the rest of the game would play out exactly the same :lol: (p.s. not sure if you're just taking the piss, but that sort of comment does happen a lot!)

Oh yeah I know that...if the handball wasnt given events would be different and no Nabbout goal!

[Jetmaster]

Fully expect a Bozza pro VAR rant in favour of his local club this afternoon.

[halo se7en]

Yeh except that wanderers scored like a minute after that happened soooo..

So you think if the first goal had been awarded, then the same sequence of events would have occurred leading up to their penalty? No, they wouldn't have.

[Jetmaster]

Slo mo makes Topors handball look far worse. Look at it in normal motion....it can in no way be deemed "deliberate", which is the key wording.

[Couscous]

Vars are people, too, who need respect and love like anyone else.

[MFKS]

Vars are people, too, who need respect and love like anyone else.

Next thing you will be saying is we should love Multis

[MFKS]

Slo mo makes Topors handball look far worse. Look at it in normal motion....it can in no way be deemed "deliberate", which is the key wording.
Watching it again i even less convinced on the Janjetovic goal.

The bloke shoukd have been much higher than Hoffman
The bloke basically just dropped the ball into his net

I understand the keeper protected species theory etc

But


Once the onfield ref seen the challenge from Hoffman aamd allowed it

Where was the evidence to overturn the decision??

Because nothing changed

[380]

The Hoff goal was a farce. If that ball goes to ground and a WSW defender happened to clear it or any other scenario that sees it not go in to the goals it is play on for all money. The mere fact it dropped in to the net was no reason to over analyze it and feel the need to apportion blame to somebody.

Every time there is controversy around the VAR it seems Streb is the one up in the box. Some weeks you would swear he is asleep up there and other times he can't stay out of the game.

[Jetmaster]

The talk on Fux this afternoon will be that the correct decisions were made. The forgotten point will be that VAR is meant to only overturn an "obvious error".

The offside was the only obvious error.

[Jetmaster]

Ah Ned...."there are people out there saying it was a handball.....well, they're wrong"....*applause*

[Wilso8948]

Watching it again i even less convinced on the Janjetovic goal.

The bloke shoukd have been much higher than Hoffman
The bloke basically just dropped the ball into his net

I understand the keeper protected species theory etc

But


Once the onfield ref seen the challenge from Hoffman aamd allowed it

Where was the evidence to overturn the decision??

Because nothing changed

The bloke threw it into his own net. He should be getting crucified it was a dead set howler in my opinion!

[Hunter403]

Read this one
https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/analysis/when-will-refs-and-commentators-learn-the-rules-485366

[Retro Jet]

Read this one
https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/analysis/when-will-refs-and-commentators-learn-the-rules-485366

Wow. Great article. I loved it up to the point he said he usually likes Sydney Slater FC...

Maybe it's about time that (cough cough) FIFA step in and review referee accreditation processes.
It seems decisions aren't in the best interests of the game and that is to let it flow.
The NT-S handball and da Hoff out jumping Jan-Flap-O-Boetch classic examples.

Seems were stuck with a bunch of officials here in Oz who are more concerned with their 'moment'
on National television than making good decisions and keeping out of the game as much as possible.
The worst of these is Shaun Evans. I reckon some idiot told him he looks vaguely like Tom Cruise and
the dickhead has been waiting for some flashy Director to scout him and cast him in an action thriller ever since!

[Jetmaster]

So often I have wished I could write an article and get it out there explaining some wrongs in the game.

This guy has nailed it - everything I wanted to say in one piece. I believe Lawrie has put up similar on social media. Ernie blowing up about it will carry alot of weight.

The Jets should raise an official complaint to FFA so that this sort of shit stops. The other night Green delayed issuing a yellow card to Uga until AFTER the replay on the screen - that is what is happening in the background.

Our refs are not up to it and as Okon said have no "feel" for the game. They focus on process.


Again Ned said it was a wrong decision and knows the rules - Bozza who apparently texted Peacock 37 times to tell him it was a handball will give reason shortly (probably tonight) as to why VAR was right.

[MFKS]

So often I have wished I could write an article and get it out there explaining some wrongs in the game.

This guy has nailed it - everything I wanted to say in one piece. I believe Lawrie has put up similar on social media. Ernie blowing up about it will carry alot of weight.

The Jets should raise an official complaint to FFA so that this sort of shit stops. The other night Green delayed issuing a yellow card to Uga until AFTER the replay on the screen - that is what is happening in the background.

Our refs are not up to it and as Okon said have no "feel" for the game. They focus on process.


Again Ned said it was a wrong decision and knows the rules - Bozza who apparently texted Peacock 37 times to tell him it was a handball will give reason shortly (probably tonight) as to why VAR was right.

That down to middle management

Ie the refereeing bosses and their bullshit take on thiings


Refs job is to apply the rules

Feel for the game is a load of new age bullshit.


Blow the whistle when required
Card players when required
Send off players when required
Give pens when required
Adjudicate the game in a fair and impartial manner


Not ****ing rocket science really


The whole process is ****ed and middle management at FFA needs a clean out

[belchardo]

So often I have wished I could write an article and get it out there explaining some wrongs in the game.

This guy has nailed it - everything I wanted to say in one piece. I believe Lawrie has put up similar on social media. Ernie blowing up about it will carry alot of weight.

The Jets should raise an official complaint to FFA so that this sort of shit stops. The other night Green delayed issuing a yellow card to Uga until AFTER the replay on the screen - that is what is happening in the background.

Our refs are not up to it and as Okon said have no "feel" for the game. They focus on process.


Again Ned said it was a wrong decision and knows the rules - Bozza who apparently texted Peacock 37 times to tell him it was a handball will give reason shortly (probably tonight) as to why VAR was right.

in commentary, slater again congratulated the linesman for not making the call on the offside "and letting the VAR sort it out" (or words to that effect). :facepalm:

[Jetmaster]

Refs job is to apply the rules

Feel for the game is a load of new age bullshit.



Crap - old time refs would apply the rules in the "spirit of the law, not the letter of the law" (Jimmy Hill, pundit and qualified referee 1973), they would judge whether a booking was warranted or not. They knew what a handball was which is why it was so rare. The game was allowed to flow and when necessary thugs were dealt with.

Referees were also much more highly respected then too.

[WolfMan]

in commentary, slater again congratulated the linesman for not making the call on the offside "and letting the VAR sort it out" (or words to that effect). :facepalm:

Yep, heard that and cringed. The assistant (rightfully) didn't raise his flag ad there was precisely a bee's pecker in the decision. Benefit of the doubt should go to the attacking team. Well done assistant for performing your job.

The millisecond the perceived safety net of VAR creeps into an official's thought process, all credibility is lost.

TL/DR - Pi$$ the VAR off for the good of the bloody game, FFS

[Jetmaster]

Speed on the WLeague final..."would that goal have been given if the VAR was operating"?

Why even mention it?

[WolfMan]

Speed on the WLeague final..."would that goal have been given if the VAR was operating"?

Why even mention it?

Did he mention the sponsor of the VAR? Pretty certain he’s on a commission

[belchardo]

Did he mention the sponsor of the VAR? Pretty certain he’s on a commission

he probably yelled it too.

[Jeterpool]

Speed on the WLeague final..."would that goal have been given if the VAR was operating"?

Why even mention it?

Fox and VAR are driving me insane.

[WolfMan]

Fox and VAR are driving me insane.

I like to call VAR, Lisa - https://youtu.be/mPBPa2BQFRM

[Jetmaster]

Curiously last night Bozza backed down a little but brought out the "un-natural" fallacy again.

Also they didn't even mention the Hoff goal. My have more analysis on A-League Hour tonight.

[Couscous]

One thing few of you mention is that this is largely a problem of supply. Labour supply.

Who wants to be a referee? How many of you are state-league referees, or ref at a higher level? Why not?

Most A-League refs are part-time and paid relatively poorly for the work. It's not worth the time investment for most people, unless they genuinely love refereeing.

The solution is either to pay refs more (unlikely) or accept that, because of the tight supply, we'll cop duds.

(Yes, I've reffed at state-league level. It's not worth my time putting up with utter farqwits who can't accept decisions.)

[Couscous]

Having said that, I was very strict on the "deliberate handball" rule and rarely awarded fouls or pens for handball.

And guess what? Players blew up about it all the time, insisting that ball touching the hand should be a pen regardless of arm movement/distance/speed/etc.

[leftrightout]

I always laugh at the hand ball, arm in unnatural position comments.
Last time I checked his arm was still joined to his shoulder and runs along the side of his body with a large range of natural movement... what the ef in an arm in an unnatural position?

[belchardo]

(Yes, I've reffed at state-league level. It's not worth my time putting up with utter farqwits who can't accept decisions.)

never went to state league level, but your reason for not continuing was exactly the same as mine. got sick of the abuse from players, coaches and fans. pretty serious matches those all age and junior games. :sigh:

[plague]

The solution is either to pay refs more (unlikely) or accept that, because of the tight supply, we'll cop duds.


This is a seperate issue to VAR though.

VAR had a written rule in front of them on Friday night and I can find no explaination as to why it wasn’t followed.

Because half of the explanations the ‘experts’ have given us are not in the rule.

Strebre knew the rule.
It was applied wrong.
No one up there in the box abusing him.
He just got it wrong.

[Bremsstrahlung]

I always laugh at the hand ball, arm in unnatural position comments.
Last time I checked his arm was still joined to his shoulder and runs along the side of his body with a large range of natural movement... what the ef in an arm in an unnatural position?

If you stand in a wall and raise your arms and leave them there 30 seconds before a free kick is taken and the ball hits the arm is it a free kick?
The arms are there, the ball hits the arm. The arm doesn’t hit the ball as it doesn’t move.
The defender probably couldn’t get his arms out of the way because the ball was travelling so quick.

[baldrick]

If you stand in a wall and raise your arms and leave them there 30 seconds before a free kick is taken and the ball hits the arm is it a free kick?
The arms are there, the ball hits the arm. The arm doesn’t hit the ball as it doesn’t move.
The defender probably couldn’t get his arms out of the way because the ball was travelling so quick.

I’d call handball, the intention is to use the arms to create an advantage.

[redwah]

Thing is bozza is a manc twat and never made a mistake in his career....that’s why he is the gift to Australian football punditry we all needed and slater is Arnold’s bum boy only just above speed and that teo/Leo whatever his name is Sydney loving oxygen thieves.....none of them have a clue about the game which is surprising considering they played a game or 2......****ing unnaturally position....your arms swing when you walk....anymore rapid or violent movement will make the arms move more so unless you are standing still the arms aren’t going to be by the side......and only bloody Ricky Ponting or Mark Waugh could move their arms or hands quick enough to get near the ball foe some of the bullshit that they call hand ball for.

[380]

Time for Fux sports to come up with some new blood in Commentary team . I got no problem with them expressing opinion on the game on The Sunday Show or A League hour type shows but when when it comes to calling the game i wish Slats and co would leave there Arnold bum loving bromance at home. There interpretation of the rules at times to favor there favorites is deplorable.

Game has massive issues at the moment with FFA and Fux doing it no justice whatsoever.

[Jeterpool]

Time for Fux sports to come up with some new blood in Commentary team . I got no problem with them expressing opinion on the game on The Sunday Show or A League hour type shows but when when it comes to calling the game i wish Slats and co would leave there Arnold bum loving bromance at home. There interpretation of the rules at times to favor there favorites is deplorable.

Game has massive issues at the moment with FFA and Fux doing it no justice whatsoever.

Group-think

[hawk]

Time for Fux sports to come up with some new blood in Commentary team . I got no problem with them expressing opinion on the game on The Sunday Show or A League hour type shows but when when it comes to calling the game i wish Slats and co would leave there Arnold bum loving bromance at home. There interpretation of the rules at times to favor there favorites is deplorable.

Game has massive issues at the moment with FFA and Fux doing it no justice whatsoever.

too right. stick it up those ***ts

[redwah]

Just saw a replay of the a league hour or whatever it was from last night and the manc twat was going on again about unnatural position....can someone with twitter tweet the idiot and peacock and fox and ask them to read the handball rule out on air so they might start to understand it....Jesus Christ how hard is some research on your job.

[Bremsstrahlung]

What are your thoughts on Birighiti red card from a few seasons ago when he comes out and handballs it outside his box. Handball or not?

[Jetmaster]

Just saw a replay of the a league hour or whatever it was from last night and the manc twat was going on again about unnatural position....can someone with twitter tweet the idiot and peacock and fox and ask them to read the handball rule out on air so they might start to understand it....Jesus Christ how hard is some research on your job.

Not only that but the rule even says...

the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement


As Ned said - "Topor wasn't pogoing at a Daft Punk concert...where else do his arms go". Respect to him as he knows the rule and was the only pundit to say it was an "unexpected ball" - which is the rule.

[Bremsstrahlung]

In live play, I don’t think it appears a hand ball given the context of the “pinball”. Play on.
Should the VAR get involved. It’s reviewing a potential penalty.
The replays make it look far worse. His arm moving as/after the ball strikes it into the arm gives the impression his arm is hitting the ball. Idk, I think the replays make it look worse because it removes the context and the speed from the equation.

On the whole, I don’t have too many issues with it. See those contentious calls everywhere. My gripe would be that the on field referees deemed it acceptable. If that was a Wanderers player I think we’d be pretty hard done by not to get a pen.

Suarez made a thing of flicking the ball up into defenders hands. In the process of trying to move their hand out of the way it makes it look like they move to the ball.

[redwah]

The only time your arms are by your sides are when you are standing still. Any other movement means your arms will move...walking, running, jumping, kicking a football....there is no "unnatural "position...unless you are breakdancing on the field.

[MFKS]

In live play, I don’t think it appears a hand ball given the context of the “pinball”. Play on.
Should the VAR get involved. It’s reviewing a potential penalty.
The replays make it look far worse. His arm moving as/after the ball strikes it into the arm gives the impression his arm is hitting the ball. Idk, I think the replays make it look worse because it removes the context and the speed from the equation.

On the whole, I don’t have too many issues with it. See those contentious calls everywhere. My gripe would be that the on field referees deemed it acceptable. If that was a Wanderers player I think we’d be pretty hard done by not to get a pen.

Suarez made a thing of flicking the ball up into defenders hands. In the process of trying to move their hand out of the way it makes it look like they move to the ball.

If that was Roy charging down Thwaite and it pinged off Roy into Thwaites hand i couldnt give a **** if it was no penalty

Reason i feel this way is it isnt a ****ing penalty

[redwah]

The only time your arms are by your sides are when you are standing still. Any other movement means your arms will move...walking, running, jumping, kicking a football....there is no "unnatural "position...unless you are breakdancing on the field.

Though in saying all this there was this Aston Villa player back in about ‘96 who’s arm was in an unnatural position and no on field penalty was given...just a fine....maybe that’s what bozza keeps referring to.

[Couscous]

This is a seperate issue to VAR though.

Not really.

A referee like Strebre floats to the top only because the pond is shallow.

But I've no idea how to enlarge the pond (make refereeing more attractive).

[MFKS]

Though in saying all this there was this Aston Villa player back in about ‘96 who’s arm was in an unnatural position and no on field penalty was given...just a fine....maybe that’s what bozza keeps referring to.

Bozzas just bitter that as a keeper other non keeper cunce are using their hands

[Jetmaster]

Just watched that A-League Hour. The stupid thing is they all agree it's a 50/50.

If that was the case why was it referred to VAR - surely a 50/50 call cannot be seen as an obvious error.

They didn't go down that path.

Amazingly though Bozza did say that Nabbs goal was better than Ninkos - which seemed to take Peacock aback a bit.

[380]

Just watched that A-League Hour. The stupid thing is they all agree it's a 50/50.

If that was the case why was it referred to VAR - surely a 50/50 call cannot be seen as an obvious error.

They didn't go down that path.

Amazingly though Bozza did say that Nabbs goal was better than Ninkos - which seemed to take Peacock aback a bit.

Yep. Obvious howler was the only reason provided by the FFA for the use of the VAR and the fact so many pundits can't make up there mind on NTS incident means it didn't come anywhere near this definition.

[Macca]

Yep. Obvious howler was the only reason provided by the FFA for the use of the VAR and the fact so many pundits can't make up there mind on NTS incident means it didn't come anywhere near this definition.

I would argue the same for Hoff's goal too. Tbh I probably would tend to think its a foul myself - but not by much. And if the ref saw it and was happy to play on, where is the obvious error that was overruled?

I also think WSW offside was not an obvious error - although at least with offside there is black and white right/wrong so I'm sort of ok with them correcting wrong decisions.

[MonkeyKplunk]

I would argue the same for Hoff's goal too. Tbh I probably would tend to think its a foul myself - but not by much. And if the ref saw it and was happy to play on, where is the obvious error that was overruled?

I also think WSW offside was not an obvious error - although at least with offside there is black and white right/wrong so I'm sort of ok with them correcting wrong decisions.

There is no way Hoffs goal could have been any kind of foul. He jumped at the ball, put his head to where the ball was supposed to be, didn't use his hands or his body to gain any advantage. Just jumped.
The fact that he hit the keepers hands is irrelevant. if it was another players head (not the keeper) it would have stood and been see as an accidental head clash within the moment, "a part of the game" if you like.

We place too much protection around the keepers at all times, when the only time we should be protecting them more is when they're on the ground around swinging feet/legs.

[Macca]

There is no way Hoffs goal could have been any kind of foul. He jumped at the ball, put his head to where the ball was supposed to be, didn't use his hands or his body to gain any advantage. Just jumped.
The fact that he hit the keepers hands is irrelevant. if it was another players head (not the keeper) it would have stood and been see as an accidental head clash within the moment, "a part of the game" if you like.

We place too much protection around the keepers at all times, when the only time we should be protecting them more is when they're on the ground around swinging feet/legs.

I agree with you. But given that that is not currently the case, and outfield players concede a foul for breathing on a keeper, then I think its a foul (in the current environment). My point though was more that since the ref didn't think it was one, why was VAR able to say he'd made an obvious error to overrule it?

I don't know. I was a fan of VAR being implemented but the further along this season goes the more opposed I'm becoming to it. I still like the concept, but they need to go WAY back to the drawing board with how its implemented.

[380]

Am a fan also of the VAR its just Delovski and Green F&*K$d it up so badly last Friday night.

Delovski has been the architect of so many bad VAR decisions this season his position needs to be the subject of the VAR itself but somehow they would manage to cluster ^&* that up also.

[MFKS]

I agree with you. But given that that is not currently the case, and outfield players concede a foul for breathing on a keeper, then I think its a foul (in the current environment). My point though was more that since the ref didn't think it was one, why was VAR able to say he'd made an obvious error to overrule it?

I don't know. I was a fan of VAR being implemented but the further along this season goes the more opposed I'm becoming to it. I still like the concept, but they need to go WAY back to the drawing board with how its implemented.

The further the season goes along it just more and more confirmation those that said it was shite at day 1 are proven to be correct

Regardless of what anyone says it aint going to be perfect no matter what the VAR believers claim

So why have it??

[Jetmaster]

The further the season goes along it just more and more confirmation those that said it was shite at day 1 are proven to be correct

Regardless of what anyone says it aint going to be perfect no matter what the VAR believers claim

So why have it??

"But...its here to stay"....Adam Peacock 2017/18 (ad nauseum)

[Wilso8948]

I agree with you. But given that that is not currently the case, and outfield players concede a foul for breathing on a keeper, then I think its a foul (in the current environment). My point though was more that since the ref didn't think it was one, why was VAR able to say he'd made an obvious error to overrule it.

And its become the 'norm' to have woeful decisions week in week out in the current environment. Doesn't mean it's correct does it.

I agree with you that it wasn't an obvious error also so therefore couldn't be overturned in my opinion.

[Jetmaster]

Look how much more entertaining and free flowing football was with some physicals and no VAR (in the second half)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=260&v=y4CXY6TVBMc

[WolfMan]

Look how much more entertaining and free flowing football was with some physicals and no VAR (in the second half)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=260&v=y4CXY6TVBMc

Damn I love that show. “Women! Know your limits!”

[Jetmaster]

FFA admit they were wrong with one - "but the other two were right!"

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/5243259/ffa-admits-jets-copped-a-dodgy-call/?cs=306

[Wilso8948]

FFA admit they were wrong with one - "but the other two were right!"

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/5243259/ffa-admits-jets-copped-a-dodgy-call/?cs=306

So we win 2-1 yeh?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Showing some accountability is a good step.

[belchardo]

so, a referee on the field made the correct decision, to be over-ruled by a referee with the benefit of replays, to then be shown to be correct by another bunch of referees watching the same replays. top work by all.

i don't recall, did green run over to look at the screen or just award the penalty based on the word of the VAR?

if he did, then he's just as culpable as the VAR. if he didn't, then he's just as culpable as the VAR for not telling him to bugger off.

[Jeterpool]

so, a referee on the field made the correct decision, to be over-ruled by a referee with the benefit of replays, to then be shown to be correct by another bunch of referees watching the same replays. top work by all.

i don't recall, did green run over to look at the screen or just award the penalty based on the word of the VAR?

if he did, then he's just as culpable as the VAR. if he didn't, then he's just as culpable as the VAR for not telling him to bugger off.

He looked at the screen.

[Jetmaster]

I agree with the pod discussion - Green looked like Strebre was leading him through some of those decisions.

Ernie has got it in one - who's the boss?

[MonkeyKplunk]

Green looked at the screen but you can see that he had Strebe in his ear the whole time telling him what he SHOULD be seeing.

[redwah]

And the only replays on screen on fox at the time he was looking were slow motion...if that’s what he sees on his iPad then no wonder he had no idea.

[Macca]

And the only replays on screen on fox at the time he was looking were slow motion...if that’s what he sees on his iPad then no wonder he had no idea.

In my opinion (formed mainly for TV viewers but also applicable to VAR) they should show at least one full speed replay again after looking at the slow mo's. Slow mo is helpful to see the order in which stuff happens and the specifics of what and where - but can distort reality as well. Once you know what happened you should see it again in full speed to make sure your understanding is not skewed and get a full appreciation for whatever event you're watching. Be it handballs, tackles, challenges etc. Even elbows and stuff can look super intentional in slow mo when it looks like he's staring at the guy for 3 seconds before moving an elbow towards the head.

[Jeterpool]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43202295


Video assistant referees (VAR) will not be used in next season's Champions League, with the head of Uefa saying he sees "a lot of confusion".

The International Football Association Board, which rules on the game's laws, meets on Saturday to decide whether to approve the technology permanently.

If it does, then Fifa is committed to using the system at the World Cup.

But Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin said: "Fans see the VAR screen all the time but nobody knows how it works."

He added: "We will not use it in the Champions League next season.

"For me, it might be a good project but we shouldn't rush it."

An Ifab report last month said that the VAR system has been accurate in 98.9% of decisions so far during its two-year worldwide trial.

[Wilso8948]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43202295

I see that all the decisions made in the A league make up 1.1% of the results..

[plague]

If the Spurs/Rochdale FA Cup game today doesn’t kill it then nothing will.

What a ****ing mess that was.

[Jetmaster]

So three minutes to sort out another "obvious error"...pfft
Good to hear Harper, Archie and Bozza all go off.
Incidently, just watching Liverpool v Newcastle. 11th minute Salah hits a shot into defenders hand. No appeal, no mention of handball by anyone.
Over here Speedy would be yelling for the Maccas VAR and certain refs would look at it too.

[380]

Yep Fux need to piss Speedy off, Quickly becoming the biggest flog in the commentary box with his antics over VAR.

[belchardo]

Yep Fux need to piss Speedy off, Quickly becoming the biggest flog in the commentary box with his antics over VAR.

in a commentary team that includes robbie slater, that's (correctly) saying a lot.

[plague]

working a treat again.
good for the game etc etc etc.

[turbojetfireV8]

working a treat again.
good for the game etc etc etc.

So two weeks for Barbarouses for stomping??? Be interesting to see what the MRP decide...

[plague]

So two weeks for Barbarouses for stomping??? Be interesting to see what the MRP decide...

straight red, violent act.
its in the rules innit?

[Hunter403]

2 weeks for Roy, 2 weeks for Kosta or we will have proof the system favours the capital city teams

[belchardo]

i didn't have a problem with the penalty/kosta review. the only issue is that nobody knew what was actually happening. if that had been explained at the time, then the length to make the decision was (just) reasonable.

[380]

Kosta crime was not being Bobo. I got no problem either but this game in this country is in a world of strife because of the poor and inconsistent officiating. The difference in interpreting the rules across the officials this season is just plain bizarre.

Not withstanding the Kosta incident somehow being different to the Bobo/Muscat one earlier this season but also Berisha last night struck the face of an opponent blocking him from getting closer to the ball and it hardly got a mention.

No wonder the game is struggling so much this season in its appeal when long term followers are having to sit through some of the worst officiating since the inception of the HAL. FMD i did not see such shit refereeing in the old NSL as bad as this come to think of it.

[Jetmaster]

I would still much rather cop the odd bad decision for a free flowing game.

I can't handle all these minutes to make the "right" decision - it just isn't sport anymore.

[hawk]

Kosta crime was not being Bobo. I got no problem either but this game in this country is in a world of strife because of the poor and inconsistent officiating. The difference in interpreting the rules across the officials this season is just plain bizarre.

Not withstanding the Kosta incident somehow being different to the Bobo/Muscat one earlier this season but also Berisha last night struck the face of an opponent blocking him from getting closer to the ball and it hardly got a mention.

No wonder the game is struggling so much this season in its appeal when long term followers are having to sit through some of the worst officiating since the inception of the HAL. FMD i did not see such shit refereeing in the old NSL as bad as this come to think of it.

Well said. inconsistent cheating in football doesnt end up in tears and sackings unlike cricket

[Retro Jet]

So two weeks for Barbarouses for stomping??? Be interesting to see what the MRP decide...


straight red, violent act.
its in the rules innit?


2 weeks for Roy, 2 weeks for Kosta or we will have proof the system favours the capital city teams

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2018/04/02/barbarouses-suspended-stomp

Nope...1 F***en week. The truth is out there now. City centric rules superintended by the FFA (= F***ed Football in Australia)
And just so the sheep shagging little sh!t can play in the upcoming AFC game. Piss orf
No wonder these useless pr!cks of refs aren't going off to a World Cup.
What does that say when even a collective cluster***k of an organisation like FIFA can spot sh!t a mile away.
Wallow in refereeing mediocrity 2018!
Fmfl... (football life)

[Jetmaster]

This stuff just gets better....

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43791511


In this case you've got a couple thousand fans off to the bar and they come back thinking it is 0-0 :popcorn:

Still say I would rather cop a bad decision than go through shit like this.

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

This stuff just gets better....

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43791511

:popcorn:

Still say I would rather cop a bad decision than go through shit like this.

100%. This is just ridiculous.

[hawk]

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2018/04/02/barbarouses-suspended-stomp

Nope...1 F***en week. The truth is out there now. City centric rules superintended by the FFA (= F***ed Football in Australia)
And just so the sheep shagging little sh!t can play in the upcoming AFC game. Piss orf
No wonder these useless pr!cks of refs aren't going off to a World Cup.
What does that say when even a collective cluster***k of an organisation like FIFA can spot sh!t a mile away.
Wallow in refereeing mediocrity 2018!
Fmfl... (football life)


A convey of fans created a procession down the M1 highway to Sydney and filled Allianz Stadium with gold as Joel God Griffiths snatched victory in the dying stages.
Already 11,000 seats have been snapped up by Jets members ahead of the semi-final clash against Melbourne City this Friday, with tickets yet to go on sale to the general public.

spot the mistake?....convey lol

[Jetmaster]

End of days.....

[MFKS]

I would still much rather cop the odd bad decision for a free flowing game.

I can't handle all these minutes to make the "right" decision - it just isn't sport anymore.

Got one last night

Just how you want them to do it


How you like them biscuits today??

[Mark325]

Got one last night

Just how you want them to do it


How you like them biscuits today??

see the thing is though, people wouldn't be nearly as upset if there wasn't a system in place to actually make sure that things like that are avoided. For example, if you were a Glory fan you're upset they awarded Berisha that penalty, but if there was something there to clearly show he dived, and they still ruled it a pen you'd be even more livid

[Jetmaster]

see the thing is though, people wouldn't be nearly as upset if there wasn't a system in place to actually make sure that things like that are avoided. For example, if you were a Glory fan you're upset they awarded Berisha that penalty, but if there was something there to clearly show he dived, and they still ruled it a pen you'd be even more livid

This...thanks Mark.

[plague]

see the thing is though, people wouldn't be nearly as upset if there wasn't a system in place to actually make sure that things like that are avoided. For example, if you were a Glory fan you're upset they awarded Berisha that penalty, but if there was something there to clearly show he dived, and they still ruled it a pen you'd be even more livid

But that was a legit pen
Ref got it right.