VAR - It's Football But Not As You Know It

[Bremsstrahlung]

so do we start policing feet on throw ins?

If it results in a goal and the player throwing the ball in has stepped over the line and/or performed a foul throw, sure.
Keepers moving off their line during pens has been a beef of mine for some time. I have no problem with the (now changed) keeper starting behind and diving forward. But they often take 1-2 steps forward before the ball has been kicked.
1. The AR should be picking up on it.

It was picked up because it was related to the awarding of (another) penalty and therefore VAR can intervene. Thats what they will say anyway.

[plague]

1. The AR should be picking up on it.


yeah well we can def agree with this right here.
but if a long throw is a foul throw and results in a Pen? is it worth looking at?

of course it is, if it leads to a goal.
but of course its not because it doesnt directly result in a goal.

this is my point. we can go all the way back and make every decision dope.

but does that make the 'game' better. nah.

just let the ref and AR to check it and if they mess it up then get stuck into the ref and AR.

[Jetmaster]

Similar to NRL...as the game tries to adjust to the numerous scenarios that keep popping up, the rule changes exponentially increase.
What was meant to be the world's most simple game is no longer.

https://www.thecabinetuk.com/var-kill-football/

[plague]

if any of y'all still want this shitshow after seeing that Japan/Uruguay game this morning then theres not much more i can do for you.

what a joke this whole system is.

[Jetmaster]

if any of y'all still want this shitshow after seeing that Japan/Uruguay game this morning then theres not much more i can do for you.

what a joke this whole system is.

Just watched that....plain pharked...!

[goaliepersempre]

FFS Swiss football bringing into the top league VAR this season..

no goal line technology and no virtual offside line...

and maybe 3 cameras in the stadium

*facepalm*

FFS this will be interesting.

[Jetmaster]

OK- so EPL have begun - if anyone can get it right it will be them.

However even now the majority of comments are about flow of the game, rule changes, time to make decisions, checking every goal etc - NOT whether it is improving decision making.

Waiting for that first big critical call....

[Roundball Enthusiast]

OK- so EPL have begun - if anyone can get it right it will be them.

However even now the majority of comments are about flow of the game, rule changes, time to make decisions, checking every goal etc - NOT whether it is improving decision making.

Waiting for that first big critical call....

One really shit one in City vs Westham, although not a "critical call" it shows how they plan to use it.

Sterling was essentially level (literally nothing in it), they review it and deny the goal. No "clear and obvious" error, literally mm's in it. They then talk to the VAR post-game and say it was the right call "you're either onside or offside, whether its 1mm or 10m, we're going to review it and make the right decision". Oh yeah, they have a computer that reviews the footage and makes the call. :wtf:

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Seems like there is no point having linesman anymore, what if the linesman incorrectly flags for offside when the player is onside and doesn't shoot when they can? Will we see more players shooting after flags/whistles if there is a chance they're onside so VAR can review it?

Stupid. Seems like they're going down the route the A-League did early on and reviewing EVERYTHING, instead of using it for what it was designed for. The big mistakes.

They also forced a re-take for encroachment (via VAR) because it was saved and the encroaching player cleared the ball (right decision), which is good to see. BUT if there was no save or if the player missed the pen, they wouldn't have pulled it back for encroachment.............

[MFKS]

OK- so EPL have begun - if anyone can get it right it will be them.

However even now the majority of comments are about flow of the game, rule changes, time to make decisions, checking every goal etc - NOT whether it is improving decision making.

Waiting for that first big critical call....

It is a ticking time bomb

It going to go off big time sooner or later


Matter of fact what comps of note are not using the ****ing thing these days ??

[Jetmaster]

Watched the first review show on Optus. They now have a referee on the panel to discuss every VAR decision over the weekend.

[Jetmaster]

Ridiculous that an article like this is written only a month into the season.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/premier-league/premier-league-table-ladder-var-decision-video-replay-manchester-united-liverpool-city-arsenal/news-story/d0857cf809dc83c082f5922d0a0f1081

[plague]

Ridiculous that an article like this is written only a month into the season.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/premier-league/premier-league-table-ladder-var-decision-video-replay-manchester-united-liverpool-city-arsenal/news-story/d0857cf809dc83c082f5922d0a0f1081

Yet you clicked on it, read it and promoted it.

So the article was actually as perfect as it could be.

[Jetmaster]

Indeedy.

Looked at the table but didn't actually read the article.

To me it again highlights how insidious VAR is becoming in football reporting/media.

Same article came out last season about how the table would look if VAR was operating.

[Jetmaster]

Curious to see how this plays out.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49948531

[Jeterpool]

Curious to see how this plays out.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49948531

I saw that article this morning as well!

[MFKS]

Curious to see how this plays out.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49948531

If it gets up Gypo CEO owes us a GF again

[Jetmaster]

A-League has learnt nothing.....ffs.

[Hunter403]

Its baaaack!!

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Its baaaack!!

Got every decision right tonight.

[Jetmaster]

Got every decision right tonight.

That is not the problem...not one EPL ref has resorted to the screen yet, yet Fabio has to get some attention from the off and waste 3 minutes. That would not have been overturned in EPL due to their "high tolerance" policy.

[redwah]

That is not the problem...not one EPL ref has resorted to the screen yet, yet Fabio has to get some attention from the off and waste 3 minutes. That would not have been overturned in EPL due to their "high tolerance" policy.
Yeah and there have been numerous errors by EPL refs and VAR...even the refs boss said so after 5 rounds. The reluctance, I.e. arrogance not to use the full technology shows how the EPL thinks it’s above the rules...the 3 min “waste” got the correct call.

[Jetmaster]

Yeah and there have been numerous errors by EPL refs and VAR...even the refs boss said so after 5 rounds. The reluctance, I.e. arrogance not to use the full technology shows how the EPL thinks it’s above the rules...the 3 min “waste” got the correct call.

Agree to disagree....I think the EPL are on the right track. Let the refs do their job....and only call the absolute howler when it happens (your Maradona, Henry type of call).

Honestly, are we any better off with this thing and the aggro it is causing?

[StannyCFCJET]

The EPL is trying to reduce as much of delays or stoppages of play due to VAR as they know it will effect fans attending games

[Jeterpool]

We'll see the same as last year. High frequency intervention to start the season, fans become disgruntled, media latch onto it, A-League conducts a ''review" and reduces intervention. Fans become happier.

[redwah]

Agree to disagree....I think the EPL are on the right track. Let the refs do their job....and only call the absolute howler when it happens (your Maradona, Henry type of call).

Honestly, are we any better off with this thing and the aggro it is causing?
Oh I agree with let the refs do their job but why use the system half assed...use it to get everything correct or not at all.
I reckon the mm measurements for offside are bullshit too..if it’s offside by less than could be determined by the linesman’s it shouldn’t be called offside..for **** sake no linesman can see a 2mm offside from halfway across the pitch...and don’t get me started on passive offside bullshit...

[Bremsstrahlung]

bump

[plague]

VAR worked well.
Should be more of it.
Big fan.

[Bremsstrahlung]

This nabooow guy is alright.

[Couscous]

This nabooow guy is alright.

Traore is the best player to have ever played in the A-League.

[Imyourhero]

Oh I agree with let the refs do their job but why use the system half assed...use it to get everything correct or not at all.
I reckon the mm measurements for offside are bullshit too..if it’s offside by less than could be determined by the linesman’s it shouldn’t be called offside..for **** sake no linesman can see a 2mm offside from halfway across the pitch...and don’t get me started on passive offside bullshit...

If it's not a clear and obvious error then they shouldn't intervene. Period.

[turbojetfireV8]

We'll see the same as last year. High frequency intervention to start the season, fans become disgruntled, media latch onto it, A-League conducts a ''review" and reduces intervention. Fans become happier.

My theory is that it's what will naturally happen when you allow refs who are over-zealous cocks at the best of times a free reign in the VAR box, the power will go to their head like it does on the field, and hence they'll be controlling the game rather than the guy actually holding the whistle because they think they're the one actually in charge... if they winnowed these guys out the VAR might have a chance of being useful

[baldrick]

Oh I agree with let the refs do their job but why use the system half assed...use it to get everything correct or not at all.
I reckon the mm measurements for offside are bullshit too..if it’s offside by less than could be determined by the linesman’s it shouldn’t be called offside..for **** sake no linesman can see a 2mm offside from halfway across the pitch...and don’t get me started on passive offside bullshit...

Go on, tell us your thoughts on passive offside :whistling:

[redwah]

Go on, tell us your thoughts on passive offside :whistling:

I know you’ve heard them....several times...it’s shite...possibly the worst rule change ever

[Bremsstrahlung]

They should have 60 seconds max to overturn a decision.
If it takes more, it’s not clear and obvious, it’s an analysis of a 50/50 call.

[Jetmaster]

We'll see the same as last year. High frequency intervention to start the season, fans become disgruntled, media latch onto it, A-League conducts a ''review" and reduces intervention. Fans become happier.

Not far off the mark....tbh the games so far have been pretty ordinary but made exciting by the VAR. Good publicity.

Dunno what Bozza was on last night....went on about how "quick" the decisions were. Then said you can't get rid of VAR because FIFA put it in place....he said anyone against it should let him personally so he can tell his mate who will tell Infantino....ffs.

If it is so good Bozza why the need to over analyze the good decisions as well as the bad to justify it? Like the EPL review show we apparently need to look at every decision in minute detail, even if it is right.

[Thomas477]

Surprised no one is asking why the VAR didn’t intervene in the Wellington game when Ams awarded that indirect free kick in the last few minutes.

Should’ve been a pen.

[Bon]

Surprised no one is asking why the VAR didn’t intervene in the Wellington game when Ams awarded that indirect free kick in the last few minutes.

Should’ve been a pen.

Cause it is Ams... :gent:
Fvck that bloke..

[Frodo]

Jarred Gillett got the nod as VAR official in the Arsenal vs Palace game and directly affected the result by overturning a penalty. I know I'm a little bias but I'm pretty confident everyone would agree that there probably wasn't enough to overturn the call at absolute best. I think his career over there might be over before it's even begun.


http://arsenalist.com/f/2018-19/var-disallows-sokratis-goal-for-this-chambers-foul-2019-10-27.html

[Frodo]

Some pundits were discussing how bad VAR is and one them said that the championship is more enjoyable to watch now that it's more raw and true to the game, they all agreed with him.

You love to see it. If VAR does fail in England then we'd have a chance to remove it everywhere else. Here's hoping they keep up the good work they are currently doing.

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Jarred Gillett got the nod as VAR official in the Arsenal vs Palace game and directly affected the result by overturning a penalty. I know I'm a little bias but I'm pretty confident everyone would agree that there probably wasn't enough to overturn the call at absolute best. I think his career over there might be over before it's even begun.


http://arsenalist.com/f/2018-19/var-disallows-sokratis-goal-for-this-chambers-foul-2019-10-27.html

I'm a Spurs fan but that call was absolute dogshit.
It's what will happen more and more with VAR...slow motion analysis of everything will mean we find an issue with everything.

[baldrick]

Jarred Gillett got the nod as VAR official in the Arsenal vs Palace game and directly affected the result by overturning a penalty. I know I'm a little bias but I'm pretty confident everyone would agree that there probably wasn't enough to overturn the call at absolute best. I think his career over there might be over before it's even begun.


http://arsenalist.com/f/2018-19/var-disallows-sokratis-goal-for-this-chambers-foul-2019-10-27.html

Gillett also gave this “foul” a penalty in the a league grand final in 2012 :whistling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMr1g9cC68g

[plague]

Gillett also gave this “foul” a penalty in the a league grand final in 2012 :whistling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMr1g9cC68g

That's a bad example to use if you're trying to rubbish the bloke.
There was contact, it was a (soft) pen.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Was watching my one game of rugby every 4 years last night and was impressed with their video review process or how efficiently and sensibly they approached it.

Confirming the try sealed victory for SA so it was an important call.

They ran the footage in slow motion once through, checking 2 ?forward passes and offside.
At the end of watching it, they say to eachother, “no clear and obvious error there?” Other referees agreed try stood. All up took a minute max.

Now one pass I thought went marginally forward out of the hands. I was expecting them to investigate but they didn’t.
They basically said, no big blunder, carry on.

Now that’s something I’d like to see us adopt. If you can’t determine something off 2-3 replays, it’s not clear and obvious.

[Jetmaster]

Check out the pass Wales beat France with....not called either.

Watched Gillet ref Barnsley/Bristol last night ...a different man. Let all manner of hatchet tackles go.

[belchardo]

holy shit that is a poor decision by the VAR.

[Jetmaster]

holy shit that is a poor decision by the VAR.

How about Fenton to Archie....."that was f***ed".

[StannyCFCJET]

How about Fenton to Archie....."that was f***ed".

Watch him cop a fine and the FFA apologise for another VAR stuff up with no consequences

[plague]

How about Fenton to Archie....."that was f***ed".

between the on field F bomb, then i heard at least 2 in the post match interview, Archie thompson concludes with "yeah, so a little disappointed there".

Captain Obvious finally unmasked!!!

[Frodo]

If the league does fold in a few years, VAR will have played a huge part in making sure people stopped caring.

[Grimario]

VAR with a dash of Microsoft Paint.

https://i.imgur.com/CBDlh2D.png

[Jetmaster]

SFCTV said you can't give that if you don't give the one in the derby because that one was "more of a goal". So that must be a rule.
Bozza is doing my head in.

[boz-monaut]

VAR is the best thing ever right now

[StannyCFCJET]

VAR is the best thing ever right now

Nah still garb need to be binned

[Bremsstrahlung]

Get a camera on the goal line FFS. How hard is it?

[The Dunster]

VAR and Ref not doing Roar any favours.
Melb City very lucky not to be a goal down and missing Rostyn Griffiths who manages to avoid being booked for tackles that anyone else would get a yellow.

[The Dunster]

Finally. VAR gets it right. Penalty to Roar.

[Bremsstrahlung]

VAR and Ref not doing Roar any favours.
Melb City very lucky not to be a goal down and missing Rostyn Griffiths who manages to avoid being booked for tackles that anyone else would get a yellow.

Haha few minutes later.....

[plague]

VAR stinks. the **** is homie supposed to do with his hands?

**** it off

[Jetmaster]

VAR stinks. the **** is homie supposed to do with his hands?

**** it off

Both the handball and offside rules are now nothing like they were ever intended. It is all for the benefit of TV analysis and drama, not the game itself.

[The Dunster]

Beath + VAR = SHIT.
He must be on the payroll at City to give a penalty for what appears to be no foul from WSW.

[Grimario]

There was a WSW player near him so that's a clear penalty.

[plague]

awful again.

bin it.

[Jetmaster]

awful again.

bin it.

Have stopped finding it even slightly risible...absolute stupidity.

[Jetmaster]

Maybe some relief on the way...

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50944416

Just add a time limit and we can move on.

[belchardo]

i'm sure it will make all the difference. one persons clear and obvious is another persons marginal

[boz-monaut]

came here to post the BBC article - specifically the table at the bottom

agree with the time limit - give the VAR jerks 60 seconds, if they can't find anything conclusively wrong in that time the goal stands

we can get down to the millimetres and body mechanics at a time when AI is capable of determining this stuff in time frames that work with the play of the game

[Jeterpool]

came here to post the BBC article - specifically the table at the bottom


:brrr:

[StannyCFCJET]

That Burnley game. Just bin VAR now for God's sake

[Couscous]

Deeply disappointed the A-League has ditched VAR for the remainder of the season. Why?

[Jetmaster]

Deeply disappointed the A-League has ditched VAR for the remainder of the season. Why?

To paraphrase an episode of The Goodies.

No VAR - why - it's quicker and it's cheaper because it doesn't work!

[belchardo]

Seriously, what is wrong with these guys? How on earth did they think that a guy challenging somebody 40m from goal with two defenders close enough to swing across was worthy of a red card? Absolute bullshit red card for aspro in the MacArthur match.

And less than a week since their outstanding decision to not review the red card to the Adelaide forward.

[belchardo]

It is also incredible how often it seems to benefit sydney...

[belchardo]

Farking hell- just saw the penalty decision as well. Just unbelievable.

[Jetmaster]

Over officiating and VAR have just about killed the game for me.

Noticed some things personally so far this season:

I didn't celebrate Beka's last minute goal as from my angle it looked close to offside. Emotion killed off.

I have stopped watching full games for the most part and wait for the mini matches as I am over the delays.

I have no idea what the rules are now.....and wonder what happened to the whole concept of "intent"? There were 12 laws when I played....how many now?

People complain more about the TV coverage than the matchday live experience.

I feel sorry for clubs I hate when they get a joke decision against them.

I hate "XG".....how about just talking "AG" - actual goals.

I am furious serial divers get no punishment....I'm looking at you Yengi.

Refs play by the letter of the law not the spirit of the law, looking for any technicality.

Some commentators don't help the situation. Speaking of which the quality has dropped off badly.....worldwide.

I'll be honest here....a bit over the virtue signalling as it is going a bit too far.

[belchardo]

I didn't celebrate Beka's last minute goal as from my angle it looked close to offside. Emotion killed off.

I was exactly the same.

[My2BobsWorth]

I was a big fan of the concept of VAR but the idiots were always going to fuk it up