VAR - It's Football But Not As You Know It

[halo se7en]

He’s right though, I was more furious that VAR saw offside and didn’t rule because it doesn’t make sense, as opposed to knowing it was a real-time call that was marginal.

[MFKS]

see the thing is though, people wouldn't be nearly as upset if there wasn't a system in place to actually make sure that things like that are avoided. For example, if you were a Glory fan you're upset they awarded Berisha that penalty, but if there was something there to clearly show he dived, and they still ruled it a pen you'd be even more livid

Here is the thing

I can see the VAR got it wrong last night
I can see the FFA got it wrong with their organisation with the VAR
I can see it has failed

But quite frankly i dont see how it cost the Jets the game.

The Players let us down last night by not executing their skills well and then losing the plot in the second halff by straying off the game plan and losing faith in themselves

People blaming VAR for our loss are missing WHY we lost

What is even more stuipid is the calls for a replay FMD

How embarassing


Lets actually just show some humility in defeat for once and stop offering excuses and accept responsibility for our failures

[Bremsstrahlung]

Agree the calls for a replay are embarrassing.

Disagree that the VAR decision has no effect on the game.
That’s literally saying a goal has no impact on the game.
Who knows what happens if that goal doesn’t stand. They could have won 4-0.
But it definitely changed the game.
We were all over them first half. Thomas kept them in it. But at 0-0 you still need to score to win, which leaves them vulnerable.
Second half we didn’t do ourselves any favours and played the way they wanted us to.

[halo se7en]

Agree the calls for a replay are embarrassing.

Disagree that the VAR decision has no effect on the game.
That’s literally saying a goal has no impact on the game.
Who knows what happens if that goal doesn’t stand. They could have won 4-0.
But it definitely changed the game.
We were all over them first half. Thomas kept them in it. But at 0-0 you still need to score to win, which leaves them vulnerable.
Second half we didn’t do ourselves any favours and played the way they wanted us to.

Exactly. Once they were ahead they were able to choke the midfield, and keep fouling to stop our flow, and the biggest thing is that they didn’t need to think about scoring, which meant throwing 11 men behind the ball. I don’t think they would have done that at 0-0.

[Jetmaster]

Exactly. Once they were ahead they were able to choke the midfield, and keep fouling to stop our flow, and the biggest thing is that they didn’t need to think about scoring, which meant throwing 11 men behind the ball. I don’t think they would have done that at 0-0.

That is the sole point we are all trying to make.

[plague]

hey man, you guys were on here telling me that "what if the GF gets decided by a dud decision, thats why we need VAR".

Well, here we are.

Now whats your plan?

[hawk]

hey man, you guys were on here telling me that "what if the GF gets decided by a dud decision, thats why we need VAR".

Well, here we are.

Now whats your plan?

Putting me in charge of the VAR will be the best thing that could ever happen to the Jets.

And strangely everyone would make some $$

[Jeterpool]

Bin it. It's already dead

[Bremsstrahlung]

To be honest, my thoughts now are what a cluster**** from FFA and the set up of VAR to have no backup, when there’s 100s of TVs across the ground, a giant screen and viewers watching the replays of the offside, but VAR couldn’t see any replays?

VAR should have overturned the goal.
The blame should be with why for the “first time” for “2 minutes” it was unavailable and why another source of video could t be found.

[MFKS]

http://dailyfootballshow.com/weve-just-doubled-the-trouble-var-must-go-simon-hill-declares/

[plague]

Yeah look I think people are missing the biggest obstacle in getting rid of it.

And that is a bunch of very highly paid and influential people admitting it was a mistake.

Please don't think for one second that there's people out there who would rather have incidents like Saturday night than have to be seen as 'wrong' or 'backtracking'.


Ego is a helluva drug man.

[hawk]

To be honest, my thoughts now are what a cluster**** from FFA and the set up of VAR to have no backup, when there’s 100s of TVs across the ground, a giant screen and viewers watching the replays of the offside, but VAR couldn’t see any replays?

VAR should have overturned the goal.
The blame should be with why for the “first time” for “2 minutes” it was unavailable and why another source of video could t be found.

They had fox replays but noooo, honesty is a lost drug

[Jetmaster]

Bozza said "get rid of VAR" on Fox tonight....amazing.

[MFKS]

Bozza said "get rid of VAR" on Fox tonight....amazing.

So we finally won with him??

VARs biggest fan has surrended on it

[Bremsstrahlung]

So, there’s an article today that suggests that they cannot stop play one play has restarted. What a load of rubbish.

If they miss a penalty and there is a foul directly after, or the ball goes out for a goal kick, does that mean that they cannot award a penalty?

Oh and “we could have left the room to review
Fox sports broadcast or asked them for their feed”

[belchardo]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/09/football-law-making-body-deems-global-var-back-up-needed

a bit more. this comment is great:
O’Rourke said FFA had already recognised the need for one and several months ago had toured the NRL’s ‘bunker’, which has a back-up booth in case of emergency.

so are they really saying they spotted a potential issue several months ago but didn't getting around to introducing a simple fix before implementing it in full?

[MFKS]

Good news

FIFA are going to allow the 4th official to send players off for foul play based on TV reviews for the World Cup


Now that no biggie you may think

But

There is no time frame on this

So bloke Sergio Ramos someone in minute x and can then be carded in minute x+30


What can possibly go wrong with this shit??

If we can get the FFA to invole a similar rule for the HAL the Linesman can raise his flag for offside
Mossy can take a free kick and we can resume the GF at 0-0 a few weeks later and continue playing the GF with no VAR **** up

[Bremsstrahlung]

I don’t know what’s sarcasm anymore.

The goal didn’t change the game at all though right? Doesn’t stop us being outplayed by a tactically superior Kevin Muscat.



Just reading up about VAR at the WC.
Says they are in a base at Moscow. Connected basically via the internet. Back up plan is a mobile phone carried by 4th official.
Can’t wait for the statement, “for the first time all tournament, there was an outage of both the fiber optic connection and the 4th official had the phone on silent, which meant we couldn’t receive Word that Russia’s 93rd minute winner was offside.”

[baldrick]

It was interesting to see the VAR set-up at the World Cup; with multiple (3 ?) assistant referees and all the video screens available.

Did we ever see how it was set-up for the a-league ?

[Premy]

VAR in the World Cup. Costa throws elbows around, goes on to score.

VAR in the A-League. O'Donovan clips someone with his elbow by accident gets suspended for 2 matches.

This thing is a ****ing joke and I long for the day it gets thrown out.

[StannyCFCJET]

VAR in the World Cup. Costa throws elbows around, goes on to score.

VAR in the A-League. O'Donovan clips someone with his elbow by accident gets suspended for 2 matches.

This thing is a ****ing joke and I long for the day it gets thrown out.

Cmon Costa barely touches Pepe. Pepe is a dog who always goes to ground trying to win a foul

[belchardo]

in real time i thought the same way as Premy. the replays made me think like Stanny. then i noticed who was "fouled" and i remembered how much i dislike Pepe.

[plague]

in real time i thought the same way as Premy. the replays made me think like Stanny. then i noticed who was "fouled" and i remembered how much i dislike Pepe.

I read somewhere that the refs were like "look we ain't checking on your bullshit. Its offsides and maybe handballs because if its fouls then y'all be diving like even bigger pussies than you already are".


Or words to that effect.


That def seemed to be the case this morning. And the decision was correct.

[MFKS]

I read somewhere that the refs were like "look we ain't checking on your bullshit. Its offsides and maybe handballs because if its fouls then y'all be diving like even bigger pussies than you already are".


Or words to that effect.


That def seemed to be the case this morning. And the decision was correct.

I agree

Pepe tried to claim a foul due to some minimal contact

If VAR had of disallowed the goal then you are basically rewarding his play acting

FfS the **** was that injured he still got up and nearly closed Costa down before he shot home

If he had of got straight up he probably tackles him

Pepe cost his team there

[Jetmaster]

Wasn't an obvious error...end of. Here the "Maccas VAR" would have taken 4 minutes of analysis.

[MFKS]

Hello Boys

Lol

[belchardo]

**** this.

[baldrick]

Screwed by the VAR again.

[MFKS]

How good is the VAR

First up we have Griezemann pen
Secondly we have the Peru pen

Both nit picking subjective things that without VAR would never be given


Then to contrast it we have the Pavon no call penalty in the Argie game where the ****ers dont even look at it.


Notice Bozza and the VAR supporters squad are quiet

[MFKS]

How does the Swiss goal stand??

It clear as day shit defending from Brazil

But

There are hands in the back



How does VAR not pick this shit up??

[Jetmaster]

The last two nights they appear to have realised the "clear and obvious error" thing.
Unfortunately it took the twits running our game to wake everyone up.
David Elleray's explanation was torn to shreds by Fozzie last night.

[MFKS]

The last two nights they appear to have realised the "clear and obvious error" thing.
Unfortunately it took the twits running our game to wake everyone up.
David Elleray's explanation was torn to shreds by Fozzie last night.

Fozz was 100% right though

To me Fifa response was just justifying their boys not ****ing up



On another note if Griezemann is fouled and that is a penalty as Risdons contact is sufficientthen by that definition Costas goal is rubbed oyt for his arm grazing Pepe


****s have opened up a right can of worms now

[Macca]

Personally I have no issue with the contact on Griezmann being a foul - heel clip like that is easily enough to make you fall.
However there were angles not viewed by the VAR (???) that showed Risdon did touch the ball before making contact with Griezmann. Why were these angles unavailable to the VAR? Ref clearly thought Risdon got the ball live.

Then a couple hours later Argentina is denied a clear cut pen which the VAR doesn't look at at all?
Consistency was, is and continues to be the biggest problem with it.

On another note, does anyone know if the "clear and obvious error" was an A-league memo, or is it also being used that way for the world cup too? I mean officially - has it been stated that that's how they will be using it?

[halo se7en]

Personally I have no issue with the contact on Griezmann being a foul - heel clip like that is easily enough to make you fall.
However there were angles not viewed by the VAR (???) that showed Risdon did touch the ball before making contact with Griezmann. Why were these angles unavailable to the VAR? Ref clearly thought Risdon got the ball live.

Then a couple hours later Argentina is denied a clear cut pen which the VAR doesn't look at at all?
Consistency was, is and continues to be the biggest problem with it.

On another note, does anyone know if the "clear and obvious error" was an A-league memo, or is it also being used that way for the world cup too? I mean officially - has it been stated that that's how they will be using it?

I've heard it somewhere though that VAR are still reviewing things all the time, but they only alert the ref if they think he should have another look. That obviously has it's pros and cons, but if true, then at least there's some consistency in what is being viewed.

I'm also sick to god of seeing the phrase "VAR Controversy" whenever a call is made using VAR, despite it being 100% correct.

[plague]

If the Risdon one was a pen, then the Swiss goal was not a goal and the Costa one was a foul.

However. Im more than happy how the ref called all of these incidents.

Anyway, England play tomorrow, and you just know they are gonna cop something stupid.

hashtagthoughtsandprayers

[Macca]

If the Risdon one was a pen, then the Swiss goal was not a goal and the Costa one was a foul.

However. Im more than happy how the ref called all of these incidents.

Anyway, England play tomorrow, and you just know they are gonna cop something stupid.

hashtagthoughtsandprayers

I haven't seen last night's games yet so won't comment on the Swiss one. But the Risdon one and Costa one are completely different - a slide tackle like that going for the ball, you pretty much need to determine if the defender got the ball, and if he got the player. Sometimes not easy to tell, and there's definitely grey in the player contact one (but in my opinion there was no grey in the France pen incident).

For upper body contact stuff its so subjective and up for interpretation. If you ask Pepe he was lucky to stay conscious, while Costa would say he barely touched him. Judging which one is right off slow motion replays is a useless endeavour. Good to see the pen given in the Croatia game for holding in the box, but generally so much shit goes on at corners and free kicks that "should" be a foul but is never called. The rules are applied with so much variation and discretion in many instances in our sport that it makes trying to obtain an objectively correct decision impossible.

[plague]

For upper body contact stuff its so subjective and up for interpretation.

Yeah that's my point.

There is a foul on every corner.
There are arms and legs flying in every contested ball.

So far I'm way happier with the refs on field calls on everything than the interpretations of VAR.

[MFKS]

I haven't seen last night's games yet so won't comment on the Swiss one. But the Risdon one and Costa one are completely different - a slide tackle like that going for the ball, you pretty much need to determine if the defender got the ball, and if he got the player. Sometimes not easy to tell, and there's definitely grey in the player contact one (but in my opinion there was no grey in the France pen incident).

For upper body contact stuff its so subjective and up for interpretation. If you ask Pepe he was lucky to stay conscious, while Costa would say he barely touched him. Judging which one is right off slow motion replays is a useless endeavour. Good to see the pen given in the Croatia game for holding in the box, but generally so much shit goes on at corners and free kicks that "should" be a foul but is never called. The rules are applied with so much variation and discretion in many instances in our sport that it makes trying to obtain an objectively correct decision impossible.

But when you say it up for interpretation you are hitting the nail on the head

If the contact on Griezemann by Risdon after he has played the ball although minimal and not an intentional trip is sufficient to award a penalty as these ****wits are claiming....

Then Costas goal is disallowed
Then Argies get a pen
Then Swiss goal is disallowed
Then Jesus gets a pen
Then Humnels gives away a pen


There is no consistency

Because they have brought interpretation into it.

Whilst ever it is interpretation it is flawed.

Which is no different than the 100 odd years of blind ****s with a whistle.

Now we just have a blind **** with the whistle and the VAR lottery which may or may not fall in your favour today

The thing is shit and needs to go

Anyone supporting VAR being retained is a ****ing moron

[Imyourhero]

If it's all an interpretation then why don't we just allow the referee to interpret

[MFKS]

If it's all an interpretation then why don't we just allow the referee to interpret

Close the internet

This guy gets it



It is just another level of beuracracy to **** something up more

Lets face reality. Refs make shit calls every game

Now we have them making shit calls
+
VAR getting involved to make some more shit calls

[plague]

If it's all an interpretation then why don't we just allow the referee to interpret

because we cant trust the bloke the ref kit to do it so we get ummmmmm, more blokes in ref kit to do it.

yes, this sentence is as absurd as it sounds.

[Jetmaster]

As Phil Neville said...we now argue whether it should go to VAR or not. Not whether its a foul or not.

You can feel this will explode bigtime during the knockout phase.

[MFKS]

As Phil Neville said...we now argue whether it should go to VAR or not. Not whether its a foul or not.

You can feel this will explode bigtime during the knockout phase.

Who do we want to wear it??

England int that good of a choice because they sulk with ecuses anytime they get knocked out anyway

His hoping Germany gets the arse with it

[westjet]

So looking at the Columbian goal - can the var go back and say that the free kick given wasnt correct and cancel out the goal? Is that part of its ability or is it only penalty decisions?

[baldrick]

So looking at the Columbian goal - can the var go back and say that the free kick given wasnt correct and cancel out the goal? Is that part of its ability or is it only penalty decisions?

Only for penalties. Was a terrible call tho

[Jeterpool]

For me, technology should be used where there is no subjectivity and the outcome is clear. For example - did the ball cross the line or not? That's a yes or no answer. Was that the right person I am booking? Yes or no? It would need some work but, were they offside or not?

Where the VAR is re-referring the match in slow-motion replays we are getting conjecture. Is a foul able to be clear cut or not? It's too subjective. Add into that how far back they can look back for other fouls in the lead up - it's just messy.

What I think they are getting right is the speed at which the decisions are being made. There hasn't been what we see in the A-League - the two minute on-field debate where the ref has their hand to their ear before going to review the monitor and a decision made after 5 minutes. It also appears the reason for the decision has been communicated to the commentators because they seem to know exactly why it has been awarded.

I don't want to say it is working but it isn't failing as spectacularly for me as I had hoped.

[belchardo]

i'd be interested to know if the on-field ref can tell the VAR to bugger off.

[plague]

There were a good half dozen times last night the Columbians hit the deck looking for a pen/free just outside the box.

If you slowed them down there was absolutely contact and the player went down. If it was a VAR they have to give the foul.

But.

I swear the ref waved them off in an overdramatically way because he concluded the contact wasnt enough to cause the player to go over and it was if to signal to upstairs that he was making the decision.

Again, another reason why the discretion should be left to the ref.

[mic22]

For me, technology should be used where there is no subjectivity and the outcome is clear. For example - did the ball cross the line or not? That's a yes or no answer. Was that the right person I am booking? Yes or no? It would need some work but, were they offside or not?

Where the VAR is re-referring the match in slow-motion replays we are getting conjecture. Is a foul able to be clear cut or not? It's too subjective. Add into that how far back they can look back for other fouls in the lead up - it's just messy.



Exactly.

- ball crossing the goal line
- offside
- blatant handball in the box when the ref doesn't have a clear view
- foul play (a la Zidane...)

A competent ref should be prepared to deal with everything else in real time and if he/she screws up... so be it.

[halo se7en]

For me, technology should be used where there is no subjectivity and the outcome is clear. For example - did the ball cross the line or not? That's a yes or no answer. Was that the right person I am booking? Yes or no? It would need some work but, were they offside or not?

Where the VAR is re-referring the match in slow-motion replays we are getting conjecture. Is a foul able to be clear cut or not? It's too subjective. Add into that how far back they can look back for other fouls in the lead up - it's just messy.

What I think they are getting right is the speed at which the decisions are being made. There hasn't been what we see in the A-League - the two minute on-field debate where the ref has their hand to their ear before going to review the monitor and a decision made after 5 minutes. It also appears the reason for the decision has been communicated to the commentators because they seem to know exactly why it has been awarded.

I don't want to say it is working but it isn't failing as spectacularly for me as I had hoped.

It's a good point though - this is exactly how it should have been used in the A-league. I haven't seen them use for it a single decision outside the box yet, or any off the ball stuff inside the box. I don't mind them using it for the penalty calls. The ref gets a second chance to view what he thought was a penalty, and from the majority of games I've seen, most of the time the ref ends up giving the PK. I haven't seen any actual goals be reviewed in a way that's affected the team or fans celebrating.

On that note, anyone else here watch the NRL? If you don't, they have dramatically sped up how quick they review a try, give their explanation, and then the decision. Compared to how horrible it was when it was first implemented, it's almost flawless now. As soon as they run a camera angle that isn't going to help, they switch to a different one. The argument still exists that it takes away from the immediate impact of a team scoring a try, but knowing they'll take 5 seconds to review it makes it a lot better. No reason why the a-league VAR can't be improved, especially after its implementation in the WC.

Some of the biggest problems in the a-league was when they used it v when they didn't, when they reviewed things and still got them wrong, and how bloody long it took. I'm not seeing those issues yet at the WC.

[goaliepersempre]

Question I always thought that a free kick should be given, where the foul began, not ended. I.e the first contact...?

Watching Russia - Egypt, the egptians penalty. First decision was free kick outside of the box (thought correct) but VAR then came and said it was a penalty?

To me the contract began outside of the box!

[Bremsstrahlung]

If the contact continued into the box it’s a penalty.

Player gets held back outside the box, it’s a free kick, play advantage as player enters area, if holding is still happening then the advantage is penalty.

[MFKS]

How good those blokes watching the Serb bloke getting physically handcuffed in the box by 2 Swiss coppers and not seeing anything??

Farce

[Bremsstrahlung]

Holding penalties from corners or free kicks are rarely given.
I’d been waiting for skrtel to give up penalties for year for Liverpool and I think I only remember one.

Kane was getting rugby league tackled out of the way

[boz-monaut]

can't be bothered hosting/inline pasting but here's David Squires summing it all up nicely

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[MFKS]

So what was the VAR doing when Boateng dragged the Swede down this morning??

Clear and obvious error??

FMD

[Bremsstrahlung]

One thing I do like about how they are implementing it at World Cup is that the main referee is making the decisions.
He will get a whisper, “hey you should review this one” and he will watch the replays and make his decision.

Yeh, it takes some time, but I think it’s better than some guy watching a tv screen telling the referee to award a penalty.

[plague]

The pen in the Arg/Nig game was a joke.

It seems the further we get into the tournament, the more VAR is evolving into the mess we witnessed in the A-league.

[Jeterpool]

It seems the further we get into the tournament, the more VAR is evolving into the mess we witnessed in the A-league.

Long may it continue

[Jetmaster]

Tons of fanbois on English forums atm. Soooo hope they get a dodgy one to knock them out.
Make a change from penalties.

[Jeterpool]

Tons of fanbois on English forums atm. Soooo hope they get a dodgy one to knock them out.
Make a change from penalties.

You're a sick person. A sick, wonderful person.

Oh I cannot wait to see if that happens. It would be glorious.

[MFKS]

You're a sick person. A sick, wonderful person.

Oh I cannot wait to see if that happens. It would be glorious.

Not yet

Needs to be like semi final or final stage for full impact

[Jetmaster]

Collina...


Referees called 95% of incidents correctly without VAR, but the system - which is being used for the first time at a major international tournament at Russia 2018 - improved that success rate to 99.3%.

"We have always said that VAR doesn't mean perfection - there could still be the wrong interpretation or a mistake - but I think you would agree that 99.3% is very close to perfection," added Collina.

Now I can see why that stat is wrong, can anyone else?

[The Dunster]

Collina...



Now I can see why that stat is wrong, can anyone else?

I'm struggling to understand how they come up with 95% for refs and 99.3% using VAR.

What are they using to get the 100% figure from which to derive the 95% and 99.3%?

I understand confidence levels but this shit looks like FIFA pulled it from their arses.

[Jetmaster]

Simple....they have added the "corrections" to their "perceived" ref accuracy to feign improvement.
Haven't counted the things they've missed or got wrong outright.

[MFKS]

I'm struggling to understand how they come up with 95% for refs and 99.3% using VAR.

What are they using to get the 100% figure from which to derive the 95% and 99.3%?

I understand confidence levels but this shit looks like FIFA pulled it from their arses.

**** statistics

The only thing that matters is how many evades how many assists and who one the possession percentage

[goaliepersempre]

So now the geniuses at FFA want to have there own Bunker like at the FIFA WC.. Still we should be investing in our physical human referees more would be a first priority... cause when you have people in the VAR room that also arent competent then it to wont work...

[halo se7en]

It seems to have taken a backseat ever since the knockout stage started.

[MFKS]

It seems to have taken a backseat ever since the knockout stage started.

Havent been using it

Croatia should have had a penalty in the England game but as per usual VAR stayed out of it

[plague]

Havent been using it

Croatia should have had a penalty in the England game but as per usual VAR stayed out of it

its been good.

because in the first half Croatia had a shot and it clearly came off the english defender. what should have been a corner was called by the ref a goal kick.

now.

considering the high % of goals that have been scored off set pieces this World Cup the validation for calling it a 'clear and obvious error' was right there.

but the ref/and the VAR just let it pass.

In the same way the penalty claim you are referring to was called by the ref and waved off. im glad VAR stayed away from that one.

the prob is that thats exactly the kind of call the A-League VAR was getting involved in. and thats what drove everyone crazy.

refs have been great. let them ref.

[belchardo]

In the same way the penalty claim you are referring to was called by the ref and waved off. im glad VAR stayed away from that one.

the prob is that thats exactly the kind of call the A-League VAR was getting involved in. and thats what drove everyone crazy.

for me, the thing that pissed me off about that call is that it was the exact situation that resulted in about half* of england's goals. as in everything, it is the inconsistency that annoys me. you call one, you have to call them all.


* can't be arsed checking the actual stats.

[plague]

for me, the thing that pissed me off about that call is that it was the exact situation that resulted in about half* of england's goals. as in everything, it is the inconsistency that annoys me. you call one, you have to call them all.


* can't be arsed checking the actual stats.

Oh for sure.

Its admirable they want to crack down on holding etc from set pieces, but the Poms were blocking just as bad when attacking from corners.

There's 3 fouls in every one. I'm just happy for the ref to be the one decided degrees of severity.

[Jetmaster]

Either FIFA are testing the waters with minimal VAR. Or they have made a directive to lay off incase a 92nd minute 50/50 call ruins the comp.

Whatever...it hasnt been missed

[Bremsstrahlung]

refs now have a security blanket a little bit. Which would probably be better as a player too.
So when they give a pen, and everyone come yelling, they can say, look VAR will look and overule if need be. Get on with it.


Maybe VAR has gone behind the scenes a bit more, like it was intended. If something happens, they still look at it, but if they arent on board with it being a bad call, they just continue and don’t advertise that it’s being reviewed. Like pretty sure they reviewed every penalty or near penalty earlier on.

Maybe this coincides with better refs being appointed to knockout games.

[MFKS]

FFA are bringing in a VAR Bunker this season

Heres hoping the flogs have to get kitted up each game for laughs

Heres hoping the thing works in the GF this year

[Premy]

Premier League are trialling it next weekend.

[halo se7en]

They could take a leaf out of the NRL book... VAR was a shambles the first few years, but now it’s incredibly quick & accurate.

[Jetmaster]

The game experience is now rooted. At early EPL games you kept hearing Speedesque comments of "if VAR was being used".

At the game you honestly can't truly celebrate a goal due to the uncertainty.

There was more talk about controversial VAR decisions at the WC than ref decisions at previous tournaments.

Goodbye blue sky...

[halo se7en]

The game experience is now rooted. At early EPL games you kept hearing Speedesque comments of "if VAR was being used".

At the game you honestly can't truly celebrate a goal due to the uncertainty.

There was more talk about controversial VAR decisions at the WC than ref decisions at previous tournaments.

Goodbye blue sky...

I think people are being dramatic about the experience of celebrating a goal. Last season I celebrated as soon as it went in (with a quick glance to the linesman as I always have). If they pull up the goal because it shouldn’t have stood, then it shouldn’t have stood. I also don’t remember too many goals being disallowed at the WC, my recollection of the VAR was mostly in awarding penalties but correct me if I’m wrong.

And people kept using the word “controversial” every time VAR was used purely because it was used, even though a lot of decisions were 100% correct and not actually controversial.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Ffs.
If we wanted the truth, we wouldn’t be here.


This is gonna be so controversial.

[plague]

And people kept using the word “controversial” every time VAR was used purely because it was used, even though a lot of decisions were 100% correct and not actually controversial.

except the main argument justifying its existence was "because what if a bad decision costs a team a grand final" then went on to have bad decision cost a team a grand final.

id say that was controversial.

and once you get that moniker, it sticks.
Its like people still referring to Robert Redford as a 'sex symbol' even though he looks like real life Deadpools dad now.
Therefore VAR is gonna carry that 'controversial' moniker for a while at least.

agree though, its good when its good, but when its honking, its honking.

much like refs.

[Jetmaster]

And we're under way....what a farce.

[Jetmaster]

No VAR....would have stayed a free kick and we wouldnt hear a peep.

Now we have Bozza pooing his pants.

[belchardo]

No VAR....would have stayed a free kick and we wouldnt hear a peep.

Now we have Bozza pooing his pants.

peacocks comment that it was all the ref's call was bizarre. the ref doesn't go and look at the video unless the VAR suggests he should!

[Jetmaster]

This is the thing...guys like Speed are on social media bagging the ref. VAR called him over in the first place.
If the original decision stood there would have been a bit of a whinge about a "soft" call. That would have been it. Now we have mayhem.

[Thomas477]

VAR would’ve said, that was close to being inside, do you want to have a look? And I think it might’ve been a bit soft.

The VAR got him over to have a look, that was fine coz he could’ve reversed his decision, but the only person in the world who thinks it’s a pen was the ref, he could’ve overturned his decision, but he didn’t.

The proof will be in the next couple of weeks’ appointments. If he’s reffing, then it’s a pen, if not, he’s clearly been dropped.

[MFKS]

Cant believe Victree fans are blowing up about this

They won a GF based on VARs incompetence

Now the gods are balancing up the ledger and they bitching about it

[Jetmaster]

VAR would’ve said, that was close to being inside, do you want to have a look? And I think it might’ve been a bit soft.

The VAR got him over to have a look, that was fine coz he could’ve reversed his decision, but the only person in the world who thinks it’s a pen was the ref, he could’ve overturned his decision, but he didn’t.

The proof will be in the next couple of weeks’ appointments. If he’s reffing, then it’s a pen, if not, he’s clearly been dropped.

Again, keep it simple. Don't escalate it. What would have happened if there was no VAR?

[Jetmaster]

If the ref made such a mistake like tonight with no VAR he would not be crucified anywhere near as much as this guy will.

[Retro Jet]

Didn't watch game but watching highlights had a real good larf at Muskh##ts expense with the obvious 'F' bombs and crossing himself after the decision.
Go eat a bag of d!cks Kevie.
Karma...although you've got a few more shit ones coming your way b4 the ledger is balanced.

[westjet]

The proof will be in the next couple of weeks’ appointments. If he’s reffing, then it’s a pen, if not, he’s clearly been dropped.

ALeague twitter
"#MelbDerby - Further explanation of the 39th minute VAR Review. Corey Brown clearly makes contact with Bruno Fornaroli's knee inside the penalty area. With the on field decision being a free kick outside the penalty area, the decision is reviewed and a penalty awarded."

[Bremsstrahlung]

Unlucky VARctory!

[belchardo]

greatest invention ever. would have been nice if it worked earlier this year though.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Worst.

Being used ridiculously.

[belchardo]

Jesus. ****ing. Christ.

i really do try to give refs the benefit of the doubt. but **** me they make it almost impossible not to want to rip into them.

technically, it's correct. but do we want to play football or have a ****ing powder puff show? that "challenge" had no material effect on nichols ability to get to the ball. it was far far far far ****ing far less impactful than many tackles that went unpunished throughout the game. no doubt in the background there was exactly the same thing happening with an attacker holding the defender, but that doesn't get looked at!

i actually thought they had more of a shout when boogard pushed somebody in the box when the cross was coming in, but the VAR apparently looked at it and said it was OK!

[Jetmaster]

I'll be done with football if this carries on...every little thing is going to be jumped on. Bozza will rant about the right decision but fmd you have to give a little or stop physical contact entirely.

[MFKS]

There was an incident about 50 mins into the game

Ball looped up

Nix keeper comes for ball makes contact with Hoffman before touching the ball

If the Bitch Nicols 1 is a pen then so is this

[Jetmaster]

There was another one with Hoff in the first half that didn't even get looked at.

[Jetmaster]

And if course Speed now going on about the VAR giving the "all clear" for the Mariners goal when it wasn't even a consideration.

[Maito Mitch]

After only 3 games is anyone else finding it difficult to get into it this season? The VAR is becoming a massive blight on the game.

If City was awarded that pen last night and VAR didn't exist, it would be the wrong decision but it would just be one of those 'thats football' moments. I'd be fine with that. But the fact it was given after multiple replays then overturned and confirmed to be a penalty, that's absurd.

Ruling out Wellington's goal for handball was even dubious to me, I'd rather no VAR and that goal stand. There probably was a foul in the penalty VAR gave them, but f*** me, he's no where near the ball and again, I think the wrong call was made to overule it.

3 decisions, all of them viewed multiple times and imo they're all wrong, or at least not clear cut enough to change the original call. VAR isn't getting decisions right, it's just getting wrong calls even more difficult to swallow.

Now watching the RoarMariners game how many times has the VAR been mentioned by Speedy? Far out mate, shut up about it!!! Everyone hates it yet it's shoved in our faces all game even when it's not in action.

I'm a massive football fan but this is killing the game for me

[Jetmaster]

*applause*

[380]

After only 3 games is anyone else finding it difficult to get into it this season? The VAR is becoming a massive blight on the game.

If City was awarded that pen last night and VAR didn't exist, it would be the wrong decision but it would just be one of those 'thats football' moments. I'd be fine with that. But the fact it was given after multiple replays then overturned and confirmed to be a penalty, that's absurd.

Ruling out Wellington's goal for handball was even dubious to me, I'd rather no VAR and that goal stand. There probably was a foul in the penalty VAR gave them, but f*** me, he's no where near the ball and again, I think the wrong call was made to overule it.

3 decisions, all of them viewed multiple times and imo they're all wrong, or at least not clear cut enough to change the original call. VAR isn't getting decisions right, it's just getting wrong calls even more difficult to swallow.

Now watching the RoarMariners game how many times has the VAR been mentioned by Speedy? Far out mate, shut up about it!!! Everyone hates it yet it's shoved in our faces all game even when it's not in action.

I'm a massive football fan but this is killing the game for me

That is because Speedy is a full on halfwit like those imbeciles at FFA HQ. Officials are having more influence over the results than players and that can't go on.

Am i correct in saying Wilson is still the Director of Referees at FFA ?. If so that is a crime within itself after the woeful performances week after week last season from officials on his watch. Even more unpalatable is those who should have moved Wilson on are also incapable of discharging there job descriptions with any competency.

Bordering on criminal the fact these twats are still running the game.

[Maito Mitch]

Haha number 4, you can't even make this shit up. The fact it took so long and so many replays might possibly just say it wasn't clearly offside. Which it wasn't at all.

Harper just referred to Wilson so I'm assuming he's still the top dog

[Jetmaster]

Speedy losing the plot and trying to change the rules. Well done Harps for telling him off.

[Imyourhero]

Clear and obvious

[Maito Mitch]

trying to change the rules.

Do we still use rules?

[Jetmaster]

You can't make this shit up....

[380]

Beath and VAR, Talk about a cluster f&*k looking for a game.

[weston]

I hope the people who wanted this shit are enjoying it. Starting to really turn me off watching any game.

We all called referees useless before VAR, now they are just proving it.

[Premy]

Said it a million times.
VAR was only going to shift the controversy.

[belchardo]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-wants-var-process-broadcast-20181024-p50blo.html

cause that would improve things immensely.


"The fan, I think, is telling us pretty loudly that if it's too close to call, let it go," O'Rourke said.

"We had a lot of debate over that in the last couple of days and I think what you will see is that [VAR] guys will say if it's too close to call, they're not going to spend a minute or 90 seconds trying to work out if the kneecap was in front of the shoulder.

"They're just going to say that is too close to call and the advantage will go to the attacking side, which is the same theory as the assistant referees use on the field.
"We hope to roll out an improved interpretation from round two."

and this will no doubt make everybody happy, as we will be able to argue about what is "too close to call" instead of if they were marginally offside.

[380]

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-wants-var-process-broadcast-20181024-p50blo.html

cause that would improve things immensely.



and this will no doubt make everybody happy, as we will be able to argue about what is "too close to call" instead of if they were marginally offside.

But that completely typifies the stupidity of the people running the game most notably Gallop, O Rourke and Refs boss Wilson. Too close to call is no different to the clear and obvious which has always been the benchmark for VAR involvement. So sorry shite for brains O Rourke you are playing on words to hash over what has been a clusterf&*k for more than the last few days.

[plague]

anyone that likes VAR and think it has improved football is a dickhead and if you arent sure whether you are in the group of dickheads then rewind and play this post again 10 or 20 times till you get the answer.

[Maito Mitch]

Surely this whole VAR thing is pretty easy to implement a bit better?

The on-field referee should have nothing at all to do with it. No breaks in play for him to go watch 17 replays. Mr VAR man sits in his box and watches replay/s of an incedent and HE decides whether HE overrules the original decision. Put a time limit on it, say 30 seconds. If the replays can't come in quick enough then the technology isn't up to it, if he can't decide within 30 seconds then it wasn't an obvious error.

Don't have a sponsor for it. Tell the commentators to not mention it every single time something ever happens in the box.

VAR runs in the background and it's unseen and unheard until he pulls something up and immediately the call is changed.

Or an even better idea is to scrap it but that won't happen. I also love how people will say to give it time and it'll work better, how long has the NRL used video technology? The bunker works seemlessly doesn't it... Yeah give it time

[380]

Speedy would have nothing to do without mentioning the VAR

[Jeterpool]

Speedy would have nothing to do without mentioning the VAR

Yeah he would. He'd continue to drool over Arzani, Miejiweski and Bobo

[Jetmaster]

Speedy would have nothing to do without mentioning the Maccas VAR

Fixed.

[MFKS]

Yeah he would. He'd continue to drool over Arzani, Miejiweski and Bobo

You forgot Ninkovic

[380]

I kid you not it took Speedy all 1m 31s to mention the VAR in the W League fixture tonight. Bloke is a dead set goose.

[Jetmaster]

Righto lads....where do we begin? Twitter is in meltdown.

[baldrick]

I'm going to apply for a new job on Monday, as VAR official. Couldn't do any worse..

[Bremsstrahlung]

That’s just as much on Chris Beath.
That’s a terrible decision. That’s barely a foul in general play. The guy just falls over.
Ridiculous.

[plague]

so why wasnt the penalty incident reviewed? i thought it was clear cut. or did i miss something?

[Premy]

Said it once, I'll say it a million times again.
VAR just shifts the controversy.

[Jetmaster]

so why wasnt the penalty incident reviewed? i thought it was clear cut. or did i miss something?

Commentators said if the foul starts outside the box it can't go to VAR?

Um....Bruno last week. Nobody knows what's going on.

[plague]

Commentators said if the foul starts outside the box it can't go to VAR?

Um....Bruno last week. Nobody knows what's going on.

but but but the Zullo foul was outside the box..........oh nevermind.


i hope everyone who was in favour of this is stoked how good its going.

[Jetmaster]

Bozza so close to tears.....gold.

You reap what you sow Boz.

[Maito Mitch]

The highlight for me was Beath's backpedaling in his interview saying the decision was for offisde.

How about you review that explanation and watch the reply of yourself mate, you clearly, clearly blew for a foul.

Unless VAR has reviewed how an offside is signalled and it's not by a vertical arm anymore.

[Premy]

Here's an idea, we know VAR is shit.
I'm not one to agree with boycotts to protest, instead how about we let our voice be heard. Victory's goal in the GF came in the 8th minute. So in protest of the VAR in our first game since the GF we BOO for the entire 8th minute to protest against the VAR.
Thoughts???.

[380]

Here's an idea, we know VAR is shit.
I'm not one to agree with boycotts to protest, instead how about we let our voice be heard. Victory's goal in the GF came in the 8th minute. So in protest of the VAR in our first game since the GF we BOO for the entire 8th minute to protest against the VAR.
Thoughts???.

You Sir get my vote for post of 2018. Great idea.

[sorefootballer]

Thats a good idea

[mic22]

Such a protest would be interesting, but in that case VAR didn't work for "technical" reasons.
Linesman didn't raise the flag.
VAR could have overturned the decision.
Without VAR, the goal would have stayed anyway, and we would have hoped there was some sort of technology to fix such a blatant error.
So we would be protesting in favor of VAR, in a way.

I don't like the way VAR is being used in the game, potentially a great tool in SOME cases (ball over goal line etc), but this is ridiculous...

[Frodo]

So where are we going to watch the game during the walks out in the next few weeks? Every clubs fans, well except Sydney FC who don't have any issues with VAR at all, will just have to start walking out of the stadiums en masse until they shaft the whole shit show.

No fans, no league. I know the FFA don't listen to anything but money but if we can make them look as stupid as possible to advertiser's and sponsors than we have a shot of overturning this thing.




Babbels interview was great too, he was ready to explode inside but just had to bite down and be as professional as possible. He succeeded masterfully.

[Jetmaster]

Some sort of co-ordinated protest by all the supporter groups us a good idea. For all their failings I can imagine RBB being passionate enough to drive it.

For the boofheads out there what exactly gets called for review in NRL? It's mainly whether tries are tries isn't it?

[plague]

i wont eat Maccas til they fix the VAR.


TAKE THAT GRIMACE!!!!!!!

[Frodo]

Some sort of co-ordinated protest by all the supporter groups us a good idea. For all their failings I can imagine RBB being passionate enough to drive it.

For the boofheads out there what exactly gets called for review in NRL? It's mainly whether tries are tries isn't it?


Yeah, if the ref isn't sure about a part of the try he sends it to the bunker and explains what he needs to check. They then check it and send through a verdict. Fans get to see the replay on the big screen. There are certain things they can't call on. Including forward passes as this is up to the linesman to call.


But I don't want that either. I want refs mistakes after he makes a call in a split second. I can deal with it better that way. I'll be pissed off still, but I won't have any reason to feel aggrieved.

An error is forgivable, the VAR is giving the ref all the time to make a call but they all feel like they have to find any small issue to penalise just in case @keyboredwarrior786547+ reviews the footage and finds an issue that the ref didn't see and it all blows up even worse. They are basically being loaded with more responsibility than they can handle because they don't have a safety net to fall back on now.

[Jetmaster]

https://i.imgur.com/ZA8LIv1.jpg

And what the hell is Slater's game? Saying A-League fans are negative and should stop whinging.

Also says last nights call was 100% correct.

[Bremsstrahlung]

I don’t think the technology is the problem tbh.
It’s the implementation and also more importantly the affect it’s having on referees making calls.

They are using it like a security blanket. Literally not flagging marginal offsides because “the Var will intervene and cancel it out”. Not calling penalties because the VAR will review and chalk it off.
This is just as big a problem.


As much as I hate the idea, the only way I can see it changing is teams are allocated 1 challenge per game. Their captain or coach must ask for a review. If they get it wrong, no challenges left. This creates a farce, but it’s slightly better than calling back everything and fine tooth combing everything.

Or having a PFA ex player or even a pundit in the panel to water down their literal interpretations.
As much slack as they get, some of th Fox sports commentator are actually pretty reasonable with their critique of VAR reviews.

[Jetmaster]

You CANNOT bring in challenges. It would be used as a time wasting tactic by arsehole coaches one goal up with 5 minutes remaining and under the pump. They would challenge anything to relieve the pressure.

And I've had enough of this "not the VARs fault" crap as well. If the VAR was NOT being used at all we wouldn't be going through this grief. I've watched football for over 40 years and I have never seen such angst.

[plague]

Can anyone even remember the 'howlers' that occurred pre-VAR?
The only one I recall that had any consequence was the Henry handball vs some team I cant remember.

[plague]

Also: the backpeddling now claiming it was 'offside' seems to be falling apart as the ref gave a direct free kick and not an indirect as is the ruling yeah? Plus he sure didnt signal offside with his arm.

But did I not see that correctly?

[Jetmaster]

Can anyone even remember the 'howlers' that occurred pre-VAR?
The only one I recall that had any consequence was the Henry handball vs some team I cant remember.

Only if England were involved.....Hurst, Maradona, Lampard.

[Jetmaster]

Also: the backpeddling now claiming it was 'offside' seems to be falling apart as the ref gave a direct free kick and not an indirect as is the ruling yeah? Plus he sure didnt signal offside with his arm.

But did I not see that correctly?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqgspFVVAAAFOXL.jpg

[Bremsstrahlung]

You CANNOT bring in challenges. It would be used as a time wasting tactic by arsehole coaches one goal up with 5 minutes remaining and under the pump. They would challenge anything to relieve the pressure.

And I've had enough of this "not the VARs fault" crap as well. If the VAR was NOT being used at all we wouldn't be going through this grief. I've watched football for over 40 years and I have never seen such angst.

Technology wasn’t available 40 years ago. It is now.
There’s more money on the line than ever before.
Incorrect decisions are costing people millions.
All well and good for you and I, made no difference to me is WSW lost 2-1 or 2-0. Made a difference when a poor decision by linesman cost us a chance at a grand final, Chelsea fans will rue the “ghost goal” and not having technology.owners of clubs, sponsors etc have millions on the table and if you see 10 video replays indicating you were hard done by, then you’re gonna want correct outcomes.,

It CAN be a good thing. It can be good for objective things. Is the ball over the line, was he offside. For the subjective things of is this a foul, is this not a foul, it’s harder and much more grey area because in slow motion everything looks worse and referees are scared to neglect VAR evidence no matter how soft it is.

Devils advocate here, have there been any 100% incorrect calls by VAR?
Sure there’s calls that go against the flow of the game and I definitely don’t agree with some decisions or reviewing everything.eg last week when we fouled bitch Nichols, he didn’t even care. He wasn’t claiming a penalty at all. VAR stepped in and says, hang on, when all this commotion was happenings around the ball, there was contact on Nichols in the box who went down. Penalty. Is the call wrong? No. Contact in box. Penalty. Is it ridiculous? Yes. Would referee have called it? No, he didn’t. Should VAR have intervened? No.

How do we stop these stupid interventions for things that take away from the spirit of the game? And leave it for moments like Rieras header when the linesmen correctly flagged offside (well done) but it was contentious and close. Where VAR works in the background and says That it was Correct call. Or hey, he was onside, that should be a goal.


I want referees to return to making decisions, and not thinking “we can check this later and come back”.

[Jeterpool]

It CAN be a good thing. It can be good for objective things. Is the ball over the line, was he offside. For the subjective things of is this a foul, is this not a foul, it’s harder and much more grey area because in slow motion everything looks worse and referees are scared to neglect VAR evidence no matter how soft it is.


I've been saying this all along.

[Jetmaster]

OK - now it is getting silly. El Classico tonight and using VAR.

This article says.....bugger, just read it.

https://en.as.com/en/2018/10/27/football/1540650298_563008.html

[cobra23]

Such a protest would be interesting, but in that case VAR didn't work for "technical" reasons.
Linesman didn't raise the flag.
VAR could have overturned the decision.
Without VAR, the goal would have stayed anyway, and we would have hoped there was some sort of technology to fix such a blatant error.
So we would be protesting in favor of VAR, in a way.

I don't like the way VAR is being used in the game, potentially a great tool in SOME cases (ball over goal line etc), but this is ridiculous...

The reason the linesman doesn’t put their flags up anymore is because they have been told to keep them down during close calls.

[mic22]

The reason the linesman doesn’t put their flags up anymore is because they have been told to keep them down during close calls.

I used to think the same, but I don't see it happening too often

[turbojetfireV8]

The reason the linesman doesn’t put their flags up anymore is because they have been told to keep them down during close calls.

that's the bit I don't understand with it though, surely if a linesman makes a call, the ref isn't 100% sure, the VAR reviews (and makes up its own verdict anyway), it's not taking any longer or creating any more disruption than the current process, so tell the linesmen to do their job and call what they see, if it's overruled so be it

[Jetmaster]

The problem is if the linesman flags the game stops. If it is wrong you can't go back....this happened to Ali Abbas last season.

[The Dunster]

The VAR and the people using the technology are getting it right everytime. Maybe not right in our minds but certainly right according to the people handing them bags of money.

[plague]

am getting a good giggle out of strikers throwing themselves to the ground at any contact in the box.
Because even if the ref takes a look, the rules says illegal contact=foul=penalty right?

Playing the odds of getting a VAR look must be higher than actually scoring a goal.
Pretty good approach if you ask me.

[Thomas477]

Funny thing about the non flagging offside, if it’s close, it leads to a corner, and then the team scores off it, it’s apparently all good :/

[plague]

hahahaha the Perth goal.

all the reviews in the world and the ref (and touchy) got it 100% right first time.

funny part is, i bet if they put the fine tooth comb over it they could have found a foul in the lead up play.

piss the VAR off.

[plague]

Wow. Back to 2 all.
Heading for 7 draws from 10 games.

hopefully the talk next week will turn from the VAR onto more pressing matters like making the goals bigger.

[plague]

oh wowsers, now they have dug up the Perth v Sydney match from a while back where VAR was used to officiate an incident that was exactly the same. Sydney player in an offside position blocks a defender who was trying to prevent a shot.
Seems that THAT time, the offside blocker wasnt a big deal and the goal stood. Simply amazing that the technology was used 2 different times and we had 2 different outcomes even though the rule hadnt changed.
Its almost like the humans using VAR are just as prone to mistakes as the bloke in the middle. But lets keep adding a layer of humans to confuse matters.



oh and it didnt go unnoticed that both decisions benefitted Sydney FC despite them being on opposite sides of each incident.
#staywoke

i actually feel sorry for people who still want this VAR, it must be like being related to Ivan Milat and thinking you have to invite him to your wedding because 'he family'.

[Grimario]

You've got it in one there, plague. The refs aren't infallible, the bunker guys aren't infallible. It's just an extra layer of people making mistakes.

Maybe VAR is a good thing but it's the inept officials in Australia who keep getting it wrong? It's hard to believe that some of these guys are full time paid professionals. I would be on a performance plan and out the door so quickly if I was that inept at my job.

[Imyourhero]

In the off season these refs should be in europe doing training camps just like clubs send their teams

[boz-monaut]

in the off season these refs should be shot in front of their families

[q-money]

:rof:

[plague]

VAR is Skynet but in real terms.
Will destroy humanity.
hopefully someone can go back in time and stop Pierluigi Collina from being murdered so our one true saviour can grow up to defeat the machines.

[Negative Police]

You CANNOT bring in challenges. It would be used as a time wasting tactic by arsehole coaches one goal up with 5 minutes remaining and under the pump. They would challenge anything to relieve the pressure.
.

Hang on there soldier.

Time wasting? Laying on ground injured (think Asian teams when leading), minutes for a free kick, slow goal kicks, minutes to substitute, all day throwins while line marching, hanging in corners for last 5. The game is built on time wasting. Game is already an abortion.

A challenge or 2 is better VAR and gives a chance to right a wrong at a crucial time. And have time off. Who knows both teams get to regroup for the last 5 min bash.

I do laugh at supporters who sook all day over this tele stuff.

[Jetmaster]

Hang on there soldier.

Time wasting? Laying on ground injured (think Asian teams when leading), minutes for a free kick, slow goal kicks, minutes to substitute, all day throwins while line marching, hanging in corners for last 5. The game is built on time wasting. Game is already an abortion.

A challenge or 2 is better VAR and gives a chance to right a wrong at a crucial time. And have time off. Who knows both teams get to regroup for the last 5 min bash.

I do laugh at supporters who sook all day over this tele stuff.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/68343708/you-cannot-be-serious.jpg

[MFKS]

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/68343708/you-cannot-be-serious.jpg

Same bloke thought i was a lefttist the other day

Go figure his logic

[plague]

Same bloke thought i was a lefttist the other day

Go figure his logic

Typically leftie, always playing the victim.
Always outraged.

[Bon]

in the off season these refs should be shot in front of their families

Spot on Boz..

[plague]

If the Victory fans dont turn up at ours on Saturday night and chant "VAR" for 90 min straight then they should be kicked out of the comp.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Melbourne VARtory Tifo?

[MFKS]

Least the VAR works today

****ing the Gypos and Matt Simon

#****ingDarceReally

[plague]

Did it actually hit buddy's arm though?

[MFKS]

Did it actually hit buddy's arm though?

First angle it did

Then they went to other angles and it looks like it hit body due to illusion

First one though it clearly struck outstretched arm


Being that it was goalbound it was surprising it wasnt a pen particularly at 3-0 down

[plague]

First angle it did

Then they went to other angles and it looks like it hit body due to illusion

First one though it clearly struck outstretched arm


Being that it was goalbound it was surprising it wasnt a pen particularly at 3-0 down

yeah thats what i thought. first angle was dead set pen but 2nd angle looks like it missed his arm and bounced off the post or something. either way they are ****ing Gypos so **** giving them a pen.

[plague]

ok after a round of football anyone want to point out the howlers that VAR fixed? because i dont remember any. thought the refereeing was great.

[belchardo]

ok after a round of football anyone want to point out the howlers that VAR fixed? because i dont remember any. thought the refereeing was great.

beathy had a few classic moments, but they weren't VAR related.

[MFKS]

beathy had a few classic moments, but they weren't VAR related.

That corner he was gonna award was special


**** was signalling it and changed his mind when the Vartree players retreated for the goal kick


He was the only person in the ground who thought it was a corner

[Roundball Enthusiast]

ok after a round of football anyone want to point out the howlers that VAR fixed? because i dont remember any. thought the refereeing was great.

I had forgotten how enjoyable football can be (except us, we ****ing suck) without the VAR interventions. About time they realised how we want them to ****ing use it.

[Negative Police]

Same bloke thought i was a lefttist the other day

Go figure his logic

Was a stupid comment that needed to be called. Lefty was close enough. You forgot what team you bat for?

As for the thoughts on a challenge system, maybe you and you "friend" are getting to old for common sense.

As for our game the VARtards had us covered from all angles.

[plague]

sorry forgot to bring it up at the time, but in the Victory game, Barbarouses (i think) got the ball in an offside position, dribbled for a bit, lobbed the keeper and THEN the touchy put up his flag.

not sure if comment was made at the time on the telly, but it def looked like the touchy 'thought' he was offside, but then only raised the flag once the play was over in order to not be 'wrong' once VAR got involved.
piss poor from the touchy if that was the case. i stand by my statement that (so far) the refs have got more right than the VAR this year. they should keep backing themselves.

does anyone else remember this, or was i too drunk?

[MFKS]

sorry forgot to bring it up at the time, but in the Victory game, Barbarouses (i think) got the ball in an offside position, dribbled for a bit, lobbed the keeper and THEN the touchy put up his flag.

not sure if comment was made at the time on the telly, but it def looked like the touchy 'thought' he was offside, but then only raised the flag once the play was over in order to not be 'wrong' once VAR got involved.
piss poor from the touchy if that was the case. i stand by my statement that (so far) the refs have got more right than the VAR this year. they should keep backing themselves.

does anyone else remember this, or was i too drunk?

Pretty sure he put the flag up and the VAR then looked to double check

Dont know why you ragging on the linesman or actually sticking his flag up for

If the **** had of done it last time we played Victree we would have not got screwed like we did

[Jeterpool]

sorry forgot to bring it up at the time, but in the Victory game, Barbarouses (i think) got the ball in an offside position, dribbled for a bit, lobbed the keeper and THEN the touchy put up his flag.

not sure if comment was made at the time on the telly, but it def looked like the touchy 'thought' he was offside, but then only raised the flag once the play was over in order to not be 'wrong' once VAR got involved.
piss poor from the touchy if that was the case. i stand by my statement that (so far) the refs have got more right than the VAR this year. they should keep backing themselves.

does anyone else remember this, or was i too drunk?

That's what I recall

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

That's what I recall

My recollection was that he got it up pretty early (if we are thinking about the same one).
I recall thinking 'well done mate, just made a call and didn't wait for VAR to wade in'. (We could be describing a different situation though).

[plague]

Dont know why you ragging on the linesman or actually sticking his flag up for


sorry, forgot you were having one of your 'bad reading days'.

I wasnt 'ragging' on anyone.
I was bemused as to why he waited til after the player got possession, dribbled then shot before raising it.

It looked to me that he was hedging his bets and I wondered if it was a new approach for touchies.

[belchardo]

i thought the flag went up but the ref delayed the call.

[MFKS]

i thought the flag went up but the Beath delayed the call in the vain hope that VAR could come in find something and **** Newy over again
.

[Premy]

Someone explain to me how Thurgate getting pushed before Cowburn's goal is not a penalty?

[belchardo]

from the laws of the game


"Direct and indirect free kicks and penalty kicks can only be awarded for offences committed when the ball is in play."

and


"The ball is out of play when:

it has wholly passed over the goal line or touchline on the ground or in the air
play has been stopped by the referee"

[MFKS]

Chris Beath besides being a **** has just shown up the VAR to be useless

[Jetmaster]

Chris Beath besides being a **** has just shown up the VAR to be useless

Don't even know why that went to VAR...not clear and obvious, despite Speedy's rants.

[plague]

am happy with the ref making that call.
VAR provided nothing.

[plague]

oh, and i swear last night there was another "late' flag from the touchy. this time shot didnt go in so didnt matter, but am positive he waited til the play was over to raise it, not when the offside player became involved.

anyone see that one? (1st half)

[MFKS]

oh, and i swear last night there was another "late' flag from the touchy. this time shot didnt go in so didnt matter, but am positive he waited til the play was over to raise it, not when the offside player became involved.

anyone see that one? (1st half)

He picked it straight away and allowed play on for the Smurfs despite it being a clear as day off side

In the second half when your trash mate Jair was getting pinged for trying to emulate Milos Trufunovics record the **** had his flag up as soon as he could gwt it up

Complete double standards in officiating

[plague]

He picked it straight away and allowed play on for the Smurfs despite it being a clear as day off side

In the second half when your trash mate Jair was getting pinged for trying to emulate Milos Trufunovics record the **** had his flag up as soon as he could gwt it up

Complete double standards in officiating

yep, it sure was interesting that the dude was anything but consistent.

also, a tip of the hat to you for the Milos shoutout. well in sir.

[westjet]

Wtf!

[Jetmaster]

Loved the Kiwi comment...."and that is why the VAR doesn't work".

[Premy]

Loved the Kiwi comment...."and that is why the VAR doesn't work".

They are not wrong but.
If VAR worked then Perth would have had a penalty when Keogh was brought down by the Phoenix Keeper.

[plague]

wowsers, anyone see the clear pen given to Brisbane tonight?

clear contact, clearly in the box. ref made a call and it was right.

enter VAR, who had multiple replays of the incident, and saw both contact and where the foul was.

yet they 'still' called the ref over to have a look.

now im no conspiracy theorist, but its a really bad look for the league when the VAR is actively trying to get the ref to rethink a decision against one of its big clubs.


thankfully the ref told Mr VAR to sit his ass down.

[MFKS]

wowsers, anyone see the clear pen given to Brisbane tonight?

clear contact, clearly in the box. ref made a call and it was right.

enter VAR, who had multiple replays of the incident, and saw both contact and where the foul was.

yet they 'still' called the ref over to have a look.

now im no conspiracy theorist, but its a really bad look for the league when the VAR is actively trying to get the ref to rethink a decision against one of its big clubs.


thankfully the ref told Mr VAR to sit his ass down.

Settle the **** Down

FFA trying hard to help Blue Aids FC is written into the by laws of the HAL

Nothing to see here

Move Along

[Jetmaster]

How is Fox though....can't see how the elbows by Mosque and Le Fondue are "accidental" after what happened to Elsey the other night.
And try as they might they couldn't swing a handball on McKay.
The pen was a joke....Tagz had no chance after waiting 4 mins.

[plague]

How is Fox though....can't see how the elbows by Mosque and Le Fondue are "accidental" after what happened to Elsey the other night.


yeah that foul by Brosque right on halftime was nasty as all hell.
i was only half watching and assumed the ref gave him a yellow even though it could have been straight red.


then he gets a yellow late in the 2nd half and i thought he was off. but seems he got nothing for the earlier one. which was kind of, yanno, a ****ing joke.

also i think it was De Jong, was going 2 hands in the back on everyone all night and got away with a bunch of them. i thought the ref did a good job, and can understand why VAR looked at the Roar goal. but geez that team gets away with some dog ass bullshit.

[StannyCFCJET]

yeah that foul by Brosque right on halftime was nasty as all hell.
i was only half watching and assumed the ref gave him a yellow even though it could have been straight red.


then he gets a yellow late in the 2nd half and i thought he was off. but seems he got nothing for the earlier one. which was kind of, yanno, a ****ing joke.

also i think it was De Jong, was going 2 hands in the back on everyone all night and got away with a bunch of them. i thought the ref did a good job, and can understand why VAR looked at the Roar goal. but geez that team gets away with some dog ass bullshit.

Arnold relied on them getting away with stuff like that. Its why they struggled in the ACL refs wouldn't let him get away with that stuff

[380]

Brosque gets away with this type of shit because the FFA are not competent enough to do there jobs properly by allowing Referees boss Ben Wilson to keep his job even though he has failed miserably time and time again. Week after week we see shit that should see officials dropped yet they turn out the next week getting a gig.

FFA is corrupted by bias or is incompetent. There turn a blind eye approach to the way Brosque behaves on a football field is bordering on criminal. Brosque will go down as one of the biggest pieces of insubordinate shit to ever play the game in this country and the FFA and in particular Ben Wilson and his sub standard officials have allowed this to go on and on.

If being a good role model was important to being a professional footballer Brosque wouldn't even make it to the stadium as a spectator such is his standard of behavior.

[plague]

Brosque gets away with this type of shit because the FFA are not competent enough to do there jobs properly by allowing Referees boss Ben Wilson to keep his job even though he has failed miserably time and time again. Week after week we see shit that should see officials dropped yet they turn out the next week getting a gig.

FFA is corrupted by bias or is incompetent. There turn a blind eye approach to the way Brosque behaves on a football field is bordering on criminal. Brosque will go down as one of the biggest pieces of insubordinate shit to ever play the game in this country and the FFA and in particular Ben Wilson and his sub standard officials have allowed this to go on and on.

If being a good role model was important to being a professional footballer Brosque wouldn't even make it to the stadium as a spectator such is his standard of behavior.

totally valid point.
reminds me of the way Wayne Rooney used to talk to refs.
he seemed to get away with stuff that no one else would. yet i remember one of the refs (once retired) saying that its the way Rooney was and if you carded him he'd get a red every match and the refs would be blamed for killing games.
he just said it was a 'sticks and stones' type situation.


id argue that a yellow in the first 5 mins for being a cockhead would be all that is needed to curb that shit.

[mic22]

I'm just as disgusted by brosq*** behavior, sadly it comes as no surprise when his club is allowed to tweet this sort of shit:

82' PENALTY? WOW. Taggart goes down under no contact from @acalver96, VAR look at it and somehow it stands... 2-1#SydneyIsSkyBlue #ComeWithUs #SYDvBR

[MFKS]

Finally it happened

SPAL v Fiorentina in Serie A


Game locked at 1-1 after 74 mins and SPAL score to take a 2-1 lead only for the **** in the VAR to get involved and call the ref to have a look

Finds a penalty for Fiorentina moments before the SPAL goal and the goal now cancelled
Fiorentina get the penalty awarded and it 2-1 to them

They did run away with it 4-1 in the end

But a monumental reversal thanks to VAR

VAR in all its ****ing failure

[plague]

Finally it happened


it also happened in the early days of VAR in the Dutch Supercup (final i think).
but yeah, both scenarios are the whole reason to scrap the damn thing.

[turbojetfireV8]

I'm just as disgusted by brosq*** behavior, sadly it comes as no surprise when his club is allowed to tweet this sort of shit:

82' PENALTY? WOW. Taggart goes down under no contact from @acalver96, VAR look at it and somehow it stands... 2-1#SydneyIsSkyBlue #ComeWithUs #SYDvBR

exactly, where is the $3000 fine for the club for allowing this dissension against the VAR to be published on their twitter, double standard what?

[Jeterpool]

:popcorn:

Welcome to VAR, Champions League.

How long did that decision take?

[Frodo]

:popcorn:

Welcome to VAR, Champions League.

How long did that decision take?

3-4 mins and it was still probably wrong.

[Jetmaster]

3-4 mins and it was still probably wrong.

Point is you couldn't be sure either way.

[plague]

Point is you couldn't be sure either way.

yeah agree. VAR got it 'right', but the ref and linesman already had it right.............about 4 mins earlier.

plus, when the end result was a goal that good, the ref should have just said, "nah, goal was great, you dont deserve to challenge it".

[Frodo]

So 2 VAR calls have decided knock out ties this morning.

Neither denied goal scoring opportunities and both were 50/50 calls, i.e. up the refs interpretation of the rule.

I understand VAR is here to stay but I will hate VAR forever.

[Edit] 3 chances. Roma had a 50/50 call not given in the 122nd minute.

[Jeterpool]

I thought the Porto call was very very soft.

Also, I too will hate VAR forever

[Frodo]

I thought the Porto call was very very soft.

Also, I too will hate VAR forever

The problem I have is that he called a soft one for Porto and then didn't call a soft one a few minutes later for Roma. Just be consistent. VAR doesn't fix any issues, it just adds more analysis before the refs interpretation of the rule, which can change throughout the game. Nothing has changed other than action replay.

[Jetmaster]

VAR calls create more indecision, anger and media coverage than a normal ref call.
So what is the point....??

If this us what the game is becoming I'll chuck the new stuff and just watch my old "Match of the Day" collection. Jimmy Hill would have none if this.

[mic22]

I don't hate VAR in itself.
It's just like any other tech tool: you get it, you can't wait to use it because you think it'll solve all your problems... until you realise there are times where you can do with the good old manual tools, and you start using the new toy a bit less/better. You also need to LEARN how to use it properly before you get the best out of it.
That's what happened last year (and in the first part of this season) in the A-league, and at the world cup: the tools in the (var) box couldn't wait to use the new tool and show how good it was (better, how good THEY were at using it). Now, the A-league seems to have learnt a few lessons and VAR is a lot less intrusive (or used less altogether, which is good).
I still think it's very powerful for some particular uses (ball over the line, offside, foul play etc), it just needs some common sense.

[Jetmaster]

How much of a tool is Brenton Speed - smarmy claims of "getting it right" - even Garby has taken a pot shot at him.

This is the best explanation - by a ref no less.



Mark Halsey
‏Verified account @RefereeHalsey

Law 12 H/B irrespective of where arm/hand is positioned doesn’t necessarily mean an offence has been committed there has to be a deliberate movement of arm/hand towards the ball, imo VAR should have never got involved,referee has to be strong and stick with his original decision

[plague]

VAR is google home.

[Jeterpool]

There's so many spin-off shows of VAR.

Game shows, reality shows, and I am sure there will be a red button option to watch the VAR box soon. Sponsors will have competitions based on their decisions.

More money for FIFA.

[Premy]

Simple fact is.
VAR doesn't get rid of the controversy surrounding dubious decision, it simply shifts it. It's what I've been saying to my mate all along. You only have to look at every other sport that has anything similar, the controversy is just shifted.

Let's just accepted that Referees make mistakes, sometimes it cost teams games. Players and Referees make mistakes every day, if any of these mistakes look like match fixing then launch an investigation into the incident.

Put VAR in the bin and lets move on, Goal line technology can stay.
21/06/2017
My opinion still hasn't changed.

[Jetmaster]

Just about ready to give the game away....I'll see how it affects the EPL first.

I honestly don't care if a call is right. The overall impact on the dynamics and emotion on the game is huge. Rights and wrongs and mistakes are all a part of sport. I have noticed this season I have eased off celebrating a goal and it is a weird feeling.

I hope the plastics enjoy what will be left of the game in 10-20 years time.

[MFKS]

Just about ready to give the game away....I'll see how it affects the EPL first.

I honestly don't care if a call is right. The overall impact on the dynamics and emotion on the game is huge. Rights and wrongs and mistakes are all a part of sport. I have noticed this season I have eased off celebrating a goal and it is a weird feeling.

I hope the plastics enjoy what will be left of the game in 10-20 years time.

I more aggrieved that of the 5000 penalties awarded in leagues all over the world that despite encroachment being rampant every ****ing time that this is the 1 time they choose to enforce it

Because you know full well that next time there is a penalty and we not involved it will not be enforced

[plague]

anyone take a look if BK was off his line for the 2nd pen?

[380]

Ams , The same incompetent overrated official who screwed us over on several occasions against City down in Melbourne earlier in the season. Hill kept referring to it being KGJ but was in fact Ams VAR tonight

I said it earlier on in the season that some of the reasons the VAR looks to involve themselves when identical ones are let go in thousands as the good Member said is worthy of seeing if any betting is involved. If it can happen in other sports it is " possible " i repeat " possible " it can happen here also especially when it is quite often the same officials making these decisions.

Ams never was and never will be a good official, He may have all the on paper qualifications but that is it. A feel for the game he has never had much like Beath. Always looking to impose there authority and make themselves the headlines.

[plague]

Ams , The same incompetent overrated official who screwed us over on several occasions against City down in Melbourne earlier in the season. Hill kept referring to it being KGJ but was in fact Ams VAR tonight

I said it earlier on in the season that some of the reasons the VAR looks to involve themselves when identical ones are let go in thousands as the good Member said is worthy of seeing if any betting is involved. If it can happen in other sports it is " possible " i repeat " possible " it can happen here also especially when it is quite often the same officials making these decisions.

whoa whoa whoa.

VAR was 100% correct tonight.

all y'all gotta go back and check your receipts on whether you wanted it or not.
because this is what VAR is. and if you asked for it, then enjoy it.

[Jetmaster]

KGJ was quoted earlier this season as saying he would not call VAR for encroachment as "you would have to look at every single one".

So if he was in the VAR box.......

This is why it is shit....

[mic22]

anyone take a look if BK was off his line for the 2nd pen?

1601
And there you go... 2 ccm players in the box and BK out by more or less the same distance Georgievski was for the 1st penalty.
(Notice how Vargas can't be bothered)

[plague]

1601
And there you go... 2 ccm players in the box and BK out by more or less the same distance Georgievski was for the 1st penalty.
(Notice how Vargas can't be bothered)

and there you have it.

[MFKS]

and there you have it.

And BK should have been booked and sent off

Rules are rules

Issue is here they were selectively applied

Now if you gonna apply them the first time.... You have to apply all nit picking rules the 2nd penalty

[Jetmaster]

You could have had all 10 Gypo defenders in the box and VAR cannot call it if saved as no goal results.

Had it gone in it could have been called on George again.

It is just bizarre the more different scenarios are played out.

[sammydog]

anyone take a look if BK was off his line for the 2nd pen?

Have a look at the encroachment from mariners players in the second kick.

First call was technically correct, why was it not called in the second when defenders were back to defend a rebound?

[plague]

And BK should have been booked and sent off

Rules are rules

Issue is here they were selectively applied

Now if you gonna apply them the first time.... You have to apply all nit picking rules the 2nd penalty

heres where we agree. VAR is about enforcing all the rules yeah? so why wasnt it done here too?

If only the gypo CEO cared enough to follow it up.

[StannyCFCJET]

heres where we agree. VAR is about enforcing all the rules yeah? so why wasnt it done here too?

If only the gypo CEO cared enough to follow it up.

How do you know he hasnt? Lawrie and Joel are always going to the refs to get answers on calls

[plague]

How do you know he hasnt? Lawrie and Joel are always going to the refs to get answers on calls

'Join Date: Jan 2016'


really?

[Bon]

I have noticed this season I have eased off celebrating a goal and it is a weird feeling.


This!!
Can't even celebrate a goal anymore. Once the ball has crossed the line its just "Oh wait there, I'm sure something will be pulled back to be analysed by the VAR"..

[boz-monaut]

I see it as an opportunity for more Bulut style hilarity

[Jetmaster]

This wasn't called earlier in the year was it?

1602

[Jetmaster]

And just to be fair.....Roy v Wanderers...

1603

[belchardo]

for both of those kicks, were they saved and one of the encroaching players scored? if not, i suspect that is the argument that will be rolled out - george got an advantage by encroaching.

[Jetmaster]

A player does not have to touch the ball for encroachment to be called. Again it is the inconsistency in applying the rules.

Accordingly the call could have been made even if it went straight in.

[westjet]

Worked well in the African Champions League🤣
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/astonishing-scenes-as-broken-var-reaks-havoc-in-african-champions-league-final/news-story/eab5dc370d8659f26a63f3b2a373bd40

[Bremsstrahlung]

So why was it abandoned?
Because the dudded team refused to play? Or because the referee/association deemed it unfair that the game continue without VAR?

If they Refused, fair play to them. Could’ve been us haha.

I don’t really understand if that’s the case though cause the commentator says “it was used in the first match and therefore must be used in the second” implying that some kind of FIFA rule had been broken and must result in abandonment or a replay.

But wow.
As a side note, how are some of those players not being sent off.

[mic22]

So why was it abandoned?

But wow.
As a side note, how are some of those players not being sent off.

O'Donovan would have copped a 168 games suspension

[baldrick]

Worked well in the African Champions League🤣
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/astonishing-scenes-as-broken-var-reaks-havoc-in-african-champions-league-final/news-story/eab5dc370d8659f26a63f3b2a373bd40

I’d call that farcical

[Jetmaster]

Well it seems with enough pressure a game can indeed be replayed.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48533905

[Jetmaster]

EPL going overboard with their new toy.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48534031

[Jetmaster]

Ok....officially giving up.

Re the pen VAR for France last night. Under what VAR law (goal, offside, penalty, mistaken identity) determines that penalty is retaken?

As expected it is going to be used for everything after all.

[Jeterpool]

Ok....officially giving up.

Re the pen VAR for France last night. Under what VAR law (goal, offside, penalty, mistaken identity) determines that penalty is retaken?

As expected it is going to be used for everything after all.

Under Roy's law for VAR

[Bremsstrahlung]

Ok....officially giving up.

Re the pen VAR for France last night. Under what VAR law (goal, offside, penalty, mistaken identity) determines that penalty is retaken?

As expected it is going to be used for everything after all.

I’m assuming it is whether or not a penalty should be awarded or reawarded.

No problem with this as long as there is consistency. It’s something that should be enforced more.

[Jetmaster]

Wait till we have this retake mayhem during an extended penalty shootout!

[plague]

No problem with this as long as there is consistency. It’s something that should be enforced more.

so do we start policing feet on throw ins?