2020 Premier Club SAP

[Retired01]

I don’t understand the point of u guys arguing like children about this. It’s junior football and it doesn’t mean anything who wins, it’s about development as players as well as people. From experience, trust me that by the time all these kids turn 18/19, the majority have either left the club to play at a weaker level or are not playing. Parents of these sides all think their children r world beaters (nothing wrong with supporting ur child), but they don’t understand the reality that only 2-3 of the kids there when they are 13 are still there by 18.

Im sorry if my comment didn't hit the mark as I agree completely with what you said to. I was trying to say it doesn't matter what the score was or who won they are kids and its just a game. Stop being pathetic and putting the kids down just to support your ego.

[sapdad]

A bunch of SAP clubs have already pulled out of this weekends games.

[Alan]

A bunch of SAP clubs have already pulled out of this weekends games.

Yep, I too have heard New Lambton, Singleton and West Wallsend have pulled the pin for this weekend.

A

[Aegon]

Yep, I too have heard New Lambton, Singleton and West Wallsend have pulled the pin for this weekend.

A

Hunter Valley girls pulled the pin as well.

[scowling]

A bunch of SAP clubs have already pulled out of this weekends games.

For what it's worth, I was glad the club made the call and didn't leave it up to parents to make their own call.

Watching carefully what happens from here on in though.

[Aegon]

For what it's worth, I was glad the club made the call and didn't leave it up to parents to make their own call.

Watching carefully what happens from here on in though.

No new cases today or yesterday which is amazing considering how many people have been tested in the last week.

[scowling]

Yes, 5+ days after the weekend on the cans... I assumed we'd see an explosion of cases this weekend.

[sapdad]

Hindsight is undefeated isnt it.

[samcan]

Local comps are ok. Going to Sydney should be canned

[YewYew]

You Sound like an Olympic dad or committee member trying to give them a pump to make the tsp or jets 🤣🤣
One of those best sides you speak of had trouble beating a very undermanned magic team last week I’m told that had to borrow under 10s players to help due to injury. Would be interesting to see how they go with all kids available.

Was told Edgy had a clean sweep over Magic in 9 & 10 SAP this weekend gone. Yaa Yaa gonna report lots of injuries and U8s filling in 😀🤣🤣😂

[Aegon]

Was told Edgy had a clean sweep over Magic in 9 & 10 SAP this weekend gone. Yaa Yaa gonna report lots of injuries and U8s filling in ��������

One of the 10's games was a 6-6 draw, not sure what the other one ended up but was told Edgy were up 4-3 at halftime.

[sapdad]

without getting into the pissing competition of results, now is a good time to express my admiration for both edgy and magic in the SAP program. the games ive watched across the years their kids are always encouraged to play football and both clubs environments seem really well set up.

and yes i know 'your' club is also fabulous but in all these other threads people keep wondering why the big clubs like these 2 and olympic always get the best players, well looking at how they treat and teach their kids from the age of 9 is a pretty good indicator of why people want to be associated with them.
again,this is not an automatic insult to other clubs,just trying to bring some niceness into the discussion.

[samcan]

Youll find other fabulous clubs also treat their kids well and try to play football so that isnt the reason why they are always strong.

The big 2 clubs are the best recruiters and also have a recent history in attracting the strongest players. What ive seen over 15yrs

[sapdad]

Youll find other fabulous clubs also treat their kids well and try to play football so that isnt the reason why they are always strong.

so name them.give them a compliment.inject some postivity in here.thats all im trying to do.

[Aegon]

so name them.give them a compliment.inject some postivity in here.thats all im trying to do.

My son has been at Jaffa’s for a couple of years. The coaches & TD have been excellent & the club are taking all the right steps getting the boys involved with the senior club. He has made good mates, still loves going to training and playing the games and that’s all I need to know to be happy.

[Yaa Yaa]

Few of you carry on about “development” And say don’t worry about scores, but still post them in here. In one comment you say it about fun and then post the scores in other comments. Make up your minds. You all count scores and are living through your kids, you just don’t like to admit it.you are not fooling anybody.

[Yaa Yaa]

Was told Edgy had a clean sweep over Magic in 9 & 10 SAP this weekend gone. Yaa Yaa gonna report lots of injuries and U8s filling in 😀🤣🤣😂

Hahaha you guys would have to be the biggest hypocrites in this group. Least I can admit I like a bit of competition and winning is part of development. On the matter of scores in the games you speak of I don’t know as I wasn’t there but I could find out. You already have conflicting scores on this page 🤣🤣 what amuses me is that you dads worry about what’s going on at magic more than you worry about your own clubs. So what’s that tell you?
I’m finding it hard to believe they “swept” them as from what I know that magic 10s group is very strong and don’t lose many games from what I hear. I do remember a magic vs edgy game early in the season at edgy that was very lop sided to magic so sorry for finding it hard to see edgy turning the tables that much. But carry on hypocrites 😉

[cobra23]

F**k i love this tread ...
we need more of it

[finzee]

Was told Edgy had a clean sweep over Magic in 9 & 10 SAP this weekend gone. Yaa Yaa gonna report lots of injuries and U8s filling in ��������

hey Cobra,
1st edgy kept passing to big kid at the front who scored all the goals. Not sure what the back 3 were doing

Then they went long ball, no skill there. And we had 100 shots to 7 unlucky.

Finally ref favoured edgy... did the kids also cry? that one always amazes me.

anyway, i think weve covered the standard tragic excuse culture

[Bremsstrahlung]

:banghead:

[samcan]

See some clubs have expression of interest for next years SAP

[sapdad]

See some clubs have expression of interest for next years SAP
thats pretty early.i remember charlestown were always one of the first out.who is out there?

[KITZ]

hey Cobra,
1st edgy kept passing to big kid at the front who scored all the goals. Not sure what the back 3 were doing

Then they went long ball, no skill there. And we had 100 shots to 7 unlucky.

Finally ref favoured edgy... did the kids also cry? that one always amazes me.

anyway, i think weve covered the standard tragic excuse culture

You should all be ashamed of yourselves. A bunch of adults belittling children’s football and children who cry. FFS a lot of you need to grow up.

The worst thing northern did is give SAP to the clubs. You have all shown exactly why that is the reason. Too busy big noting yourselves and putting others down. That’s the type of footballers you are creating.

Smart parents guide their kids, give them goals for game day, praise them when they achieve those goals and ignore the rubbish that goes on, INCLUDING posting scores when you’ve all been told not to.

If you are bickering about SAP god help you all if you want them to actually make it somewhere with their football, it’s a bloody longer road then the first 4 years.

TL:DR: Grow up!

[Aegon]

See some clubs have expression of interest for next years SAP

Yeh, I've seen some posts on facebook and updates on team pages.

Not sure whether to collate them here like I did for this season or create another thread for it.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

You should all be ashamed of yourselves. A bunch of adults belittling children’s football and children who cry. FFS a lot of you need to grow up.

The worst thing northern did is give SAP to the clubs. You have all shown exactly why that is the reason. Too busy big noting yourselves and putting others down. That’s the type of footballers you are creating.

Smart parents guide their kids, give them goals for game day, praise them when they achieve those goals and ignore the rubbish that goes on, INCLUDING posting scores when you’ve all been told not to.

If you are bickering about SAP god help you all if you want them to actually make it somewhere with their football, it’s a bloody longer road then the first 4 years.

TL:DR: Grow up!

The fact YOU give them goals for the day highlights that you are just as bad as the others you have had a rant about. You should just let them play and let the coach. Right?

Also you have stated the worst thing Northern did was give the SAP to the clubs? Realistically Northern didn't actually run SAP anyway only the Emerging Jets and TSP, the clubs have always coached the majority of younger age groups.

[Reds Forever]

SAP has been around a long time before clubs took it over. Northern has been running SAP for ages with teams coming from the Associations. Whole NET v SAP came about as Newcastle Football wanted more teams then what northern would allow in SAP.

[sapdad]

Yeh, I've seen some posts on facebook and updates on team pages.

Not sure whether to collate them here like I did for this season or create another thread for it.
id say just do it here it may get the thread back on track.

[Aegon]

2021 SAP Expression of Interest Links/Details:

Charlestown Azzurri
Charlestown Azzurri are currently taking Expressions of Interest for the 2021 Skills Acquisition Program (SAP)
Age groups include;
SAP Under 9, 10, 11 and 12 Years
All current Charlestown Azzurri players MUST register their expressions of interest to partake in the 2021 program
2021 Skill Acquisition Program (SAP)
SAP is a key component of Football Federation Australia’s National Curriculum, designed to accelerate the skill development of identified players between the critical ages of 9 to 13.
SAP’s aim is to provide the necessary technical ‘tools’ to be able to play the game at the highest possible level with a focus on functional game skills, with an immediate skills transfer into positioning and small-sided games being an absolute requirement.
The FFA Skill Acquisition training program focuses upon developing four core skills when in possession of the ball:
* Striking the ball. This includes all forms of striking the ball such as short/long passing, shooting and crossing.
* First Touch. Controlling the ball with all allowed body parts.
* 1v1
* Running with the ball.
To register an expression of interest for 2021 SAP program please email :
CharlestownAzzurri.Sap@gmail.com
Please include :
Name :
Date Of Birth :
Age Group :
Current Club :
Playing History :
Parent Contact Details :
Kind Regards
David Romeo
Charlestown Azzurri
SAP Coordinator

[Aegon]

2021 SAP Expression of Interest Links/Details:

Edgeworth Eagles: Link (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd_oIoNzMFO8PPYTO9HDPyfwdGKLJ5QuGEAUzrr-vwZNSj7-w/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1&fbclid=IwAR35gLstWe07pXAEgkkXZ2ASCpeafl7w9GD5mLZzV n-z0UTyfyWfpRXtwL4)
Expressions of Interest - Edgeworth Eagles SAP 2021
Players interested in trialling for the 2021 Skills Acquisition Program (SAP) with Edgeworth Eagles Football Club are encouraged to register their details by completing the following form.

Trial dates will be advised via email and on the Edgeworth Eagles Football Club Facebook Page.

Additionally, pre-trial training invitations may be offered to selected age group Applicants

[Aegon]

2021 SAP Expression of Interest Links/Details:

Broadmeadow Magic - Link (https://forms.gle/FpfaZy1E8CHSykv36)
TRIAL UPDATE- Have you got what it takes to be a Magic footballer?
Broadmeadow Magic are inviting Expressions of Interest for dedicated and talented footballers to join our Skills Acquisition Program (SAP) teams for the 2021 season. With experienced, qualified and highly dedicated coaches, Magic pride ourselves on delivering an elite development pathway for players within our SAP program. We are looking for outfield players and dedicated goalkeepers in the following age groups:
 Under 9
 Under 10
 Under 11; and
 Under 12
What is SAP?
SAP is designed to accelerate the skill development of identified talented players between the ages of 8 and 12 years. As part of the Broadmeadow Magic senior club, SAP underpins our highly successful youth structure and aims to provide the best young players in the region with the opportunity to play at the club all the way through to senior football.
If you are feel you have what it takes to become a Magic SAP footballer for the 2021 season, fill in the form below. Existing players within our current SAP program do not need to complete the form, each player will receive an email from directly from the club.

[Aegon]

2021 SAP Expression of Interest Links/Details

Maitland Magpies: Link (https://www.maitlandfc.com.au/2021-expression-of-interest/?fbclid=IwAR2pqs810tJrS5b89EihZ5MmmvUwYsRO3Ioswz7d Ch04T_pmSmqNZjece_w)
Maitland FC NPL 2021
Maitland FC, is dedicated to Excellence in Football and the personal development of players. The Club seeks to promote and improve the game by creating a culture of Sportsmanship, Opportunity, Player Development, Facility Development, Professionalism and Friendship.

Maitland FC will have the following teams competing in the Northern NSW NPL for 2021:

U18, Reserve Grade and First Grade
Youth will be participating in the U13, U14, U15 and U16 age groups.
SAP teams will compete in the 2021 Premier Clubs SAP Metropolitan, participating in U9, U10, U11 & U12 age groups
Selection/Trials
We would like to invite players born in all of the Youth, SAP and Senior age groups wishing to trial for a position in our 2021 NPL Program to register your interest by completing and submitting the Expression Of Interest form here.

Coaching Staff will attend club matches over the coming weeks to observe those who reply.

[Aegon]

2021 SAP Expression of Interest Links/Details:

Adamstown Rosebud - Link (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fapp.smartsheet.com%2Fb%2Ffor m%2F79014dbeb6cc4c2a94f519bae6b9a88b%3Ffbclid%3DIw AR2w_7Wg29kVGw6dbmRtYr6TOuyHC3mYIhMWZO0Tpw0zNvTcm7 MdWfe0xEc&h=AT09wE2GLyv9vV_30jZP2AmmPdQiCX-WntK-S5XiBwtGoyaGfdpi9TlbsPYde1OmM_nOjWk-0rVjlPyyZcNZUCnr8yS1yuryc1BnsyEY1Gk87bitgyOqwvcCjO fElSIiAQ&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT3XtiJlNTx5_16BPwfio8mzJJLpiOiYXJbPzRFMGyqztvnon suq7C3vPFb6Qafz3oSfCj8eBvPLaN9D94e4EoxQqfEjTGqOqLM NeWTYxsgRJVyx3lHhp1cOJKY7I2OPKTw4w2zM8895yi4xUGvNL 0YPNhn0HKYpKIhXlz5OXQxdfPXmiVTToLUdki0x)
Here’s your chance to pull on the famous red and green Rosebud jersey.
If you want to play for Adamstown Rosebud, the most famous club in the Northern NPL, please fill in the below form.
We will hold open trials for our 2021 SAP teams and under 13 Youth NPL squad.
Positions in all other NPL squads from under 14 up will be by invitation only.
We look forward to seeing your applications.
Any inquiries should be directed to our club Technical Director at coaching@adamstownrosebudfc.org.au.

[Aegon]

2021 SAP Expression of Interest Links/Details

Valentine Phoenix - Link (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdgXBl8PPTZJOjp5fKixX2196Os1216APzmFcjAWg7m V_Y8EA/viewform)
Valentine FC are now taking expressions of interest from players to participate in our SAP (Skill Acquisition Program) for season 2021. Please register your details in the form below.

[Aegon]

2021 SAP Expression of Interest Links/Details

South Cardiff Gunners - Link (https://form.jotform.com/201812649301044?fbclid=IwAR0CzsiIScCCNK1dfi52cZvGb CecwW08M3LvQ2yHaxHyh9K2ZlTY3KvywSg)
South Cardiff FC are currently taking expressions of interest from players for the 2021 season for all grades from the SAP 9s all the way up to our U18s. This form is for NEW players who are interested in becoming a gunner in 2021 as well as RETURNING players who want to remain with the gunners next season.
At South Cardiff we pride ourselves on our philosophy of youth development and our high quality set up throughout the club. This professional program empowers players to develop not only into good footballers but great people off the pitch, allowing youth to perform to the best of their ability both on the field and in life. So, if you are interested in joining our great club or remaining a part of our family for 2021 please fill out the form linked below!

[Aegon]

If I have missed any clubs that have advertised - please post them yourselves or forward me the links and I'll get as much detail on here as possible.

[sapdad]

If I have missed any clubs that have advertised - please post them yourselves or forward me the links and I'll get as much detail on here as possible.
thanks for posting that information aegon.

[ForeverRed]

Must be time to start collecting money to pay the seniors 😂

[Retired01]

That's all the leading Clubs except Olympic and Jaffas. I wonder how far off they are

[cobra23]

hey Cobra,
1st edgy kept passing to big kid at the front who scored all the goals. Not sure what the back 3 were doing

Then they went long ball, no skill there. And we had 100 shots to 7 unlucky.

Finally ref favoured edgy... did the kids also cry? that one always amazes me.

anyway, i think weve covered the standard tragic excuse culture

Hey Finzee,
It aint got nothing to do with me :confused:
what team or age are you referring to ??
your post sounds that your backing edgy, no wait magic.... oh hang on edgy... :facepalm:

im just reading and laughing at this thread :popcorn:

[cobra23]

Must be time to start collecting money to pay the seniors 😂

Cha Ching:lulzturtle:

[Aegon]

Hey Finzee,
It aint got nothing to do with me :confused:
what team or age are you referring to ??
your post sounds that your backing edgy, no wait magic.... oh hang on edgy... :facepalm:

im just reading and laughing at this thread :popcorn:

I'm still trying to figure out whether his whole post was sarcastic or not.

[Stuff]

hey Cobra,
1st edgy kept passing to big kid at the front who scored all the goals. Not sure what the back 3 were doing

Then they went long ball, no skill there. And we had 100 shots to 7 unlucky.

Finally ref favoured edgy... did the kids also cry? that one always amazes me.

anyway, i think weve covered the standard tragic excuse culture


I believe I am the "referee" in the U10s you're accusing of "bias"...and I want to address your post having randomly found both this forum, and this post this morning


1) Hyperbole aside, if Magic had 100 shots to 7, then it clearly meant they squandered their chances...Magic was the better team in that match, but they lost anyway. This happens in football, football is a game won and lost across split seconds

2) That the Magic coaches failed to react to a change in tactics in the 2nd half, when the Edgeworth team began to "knock it long", in fact their forsight for the kids to see the passing opportunity, and passing lane to an attacking player who continued to successfully maneuverer correctly alongside and between the defending players was itself, demonstrative of footballing IQ (not the way I would play it mind you, but it's what they did and it was an easy tactic to counteract if the Magic coaches had seen and reacted to the pattern

3) The "back three" as you call them were obviously busy fending off those "100 shots at goal", and feeding through balls to generate scoring opportunities (Edgeworth had 3 separate goal scorer's not 1)

3) It's not the refs fault that the Magic team kept committing really bad foul throws, some of them were near half a meter inside the pitch...I called up both teams on it, but Magic was by far the worst team I have seen for it (I suggest your team do a session to go through this with the kids, we are what, 5 years into their footballing careers...they are all talented kids, and should be able to avoid the most blatant foul throws) :-\ ...heck I even moved Magic's handball to stop a goal out of the box, and didn't even give a clear free kick when one of the Edgeworth kids was kicked, studs up in the chest. I believe that the only ruling I made that perhaps wasn't correct was one corner, but from my vantage point it looked like a deflection came off the Magic player marking the attempted cross

As for the claim that Edgeworth played U10s kids in the U9s, that is not true at all...and the U10s team you faced, that beat you, had 2 U9s kids, who play up into 10s...one of those boys, the weaker one, played in his own age group in the U9s match the day before

P.S. this is kids football, you don't have to be so salty...the sheep stations come next year

Try not to be such a ********** next time, sulkiness does not become anyone

[KITZ]

The fact YOU give them goals for the day highlights that you are just as bad as the others you have had a rant about. You should just let them play and let the coach. Right?

Also you have stated the worst thing Northern did was give the SAP to the clubs? Realistically Northern didn't actually run SAP anyway only the Emerging Jets and TSP, the clubs have always coached the majority of younger age groups.

Lol. Shows how long you have been around football. SAP has been running for many many years. Since my kid went through that program. I commented here after reading some of the abysmal commentary made about 9 and 10 year old kids.

Also, my son is a goalkeeper, game day goals come directly from his goalkeeping coach based on where we thought he needed a boost in his skills or directly from his SAP report, written you know, by his coach.

Points for trying though.

[Stuff]

Lol. Shows how long you have been around football. SAP has been running for many many years. Since my kid went through that program. I commented here after reading some of the abysmal commentary made about 9 and 10 year old kids.

Also, my son is a goalkeeper, game day goals come directly from his goalkeeping coach based on where we thought he needed a boost in his skills or directly from his SAP report, written you know, by his coach.

Points for trying though.

I'm with you...these comments are ridiculous about an U9s and 10s game :\

[sapdad]

I'm still trying to figure out whether his whole post was sarcastic or not.

its definitely sarcastic.i think.i hope.

[finzee]

I believe I am the "referee" in the U10s you're accusing of "bias"...and I want to address your post having randomly found both this forum, and this post this morning


1) Hyperbole aside, if Magic had 100 shots to 7, then it clearly meant they squandered their chances...Magic was the better team in that match, but they lost anyway. This happens in football, football is a game won and lost across split seconds

2) That the Magic coaches failed to react to a change in tactics in the 2nd half, when the Edgeworth team began to "knock it long", in fact their forsight for the kids to see the passing opportunity, and passing lane to an attacking player who continued to successfully maneuverer correctly alongside and between the defending players was itself, demonstrative of footballing IQ (not the way I would play it mind you, but it's what they did and it was an easy tactic to counteract if the Magic coaches had seen and reacted to the pattern

3) The "back three" as you call them were obviously busy fending off those "100 shots at goal", and feeding through balls to generate scoring opportunities (Edgeworth had 3 separate goal scorer's not 1)

3) It's not the refs fault that the Magic team kept committing really bad foul throws, some of them were near half a meter inside the pitch...I called up both teams on it, but Magic was by far the worst team I have seen for it (I suggest your team do a session to go through this with the kids, we are what, 5 years into their footballing careers...they are all talented kids, and should be able to avoid the most blatant foul throws) :-\ ...heck I even moved Magic's handball to stop a goal out of the box, and didn't even give a clear free kick when one of the Edgeworth kids was kicked, studs up in the chest. I believe that the only ruling I made that perhaps wasn't correct was one corner, but from my vantage point it looked like a deflection came off the Magic player marking the attempted cross

As for the claim that Edgeworth played U10s kids in the U9s, that is not true at all...and the U10s team you faced, that beat you, had 2 U9s kids, who play up into 10s...one of those boys, the weaker one, played in his own age group in the U9s match the day before

P.S. this is kids football, you don't have to be so salty...the sheep stations come next year
Great response.

Im not with tragic or at the game but was giving you an example of the cancerous culture at that club and has been there for +20 yrs from 6s up.

Win at all costs, cry bitch when they lose, put down other teams players and playing styles as well. Yrs of game day experience has bought that all here. Sure, those that cant handle the truth will have hissy fit but facts are facts.

All the best keep on going.

Oh, well done to the kids and coaches at all other clubs. You are doing very well

[Jim]

I'm still trying to figure out whether his whole post was sarcastic or not.

maybe having a laugh but sounds familiar though

[Jim]

Also, my son is a goalkeeper, game day goals come directly from his goalkeeping coach based on where we thought he needed a boost in his skills or directly from his SAP report, written you know, by his coach.

Points for trying though.

Did your youngen go onto bigger better stuff?

[Doopche]

I believe I am the "referee" in the U10s you're accusing of "bias"...and I want to address your post having randomly found both this forum, and this post this morning


1) Hyperbole aside, if Magic had 100 shots to 7, then it clearly meant they squandered their chances...Magic was the better team in that match, but they lost anyway. This happens in football, football is a game won and lost across split seconds

2) That the Magic coaches failed to react to a change in tactics in the 2nd half, when the Edgeworth team began to "knock it long", in fact their forsight for the kids to see the passing opportunity, and passing lane to an attacking player who continued to successfully maneuverer correctly alongside and between the defending players was itself, demonstrative of footballing IQ (not the way I would play it mind you, but it's what they did and it was an easy tactic to counteract if the Magic coaches had seen and reacted to the pattern

3) The "back three" as you call them were obviously busy fending off those "100 shots at goal", and feeding through balls to generate scoring opportunities (Edgeworth had 3 separate goal scorer's not 1)

3) It's not the refs fault that the Magic team kept committing really bad foul throws, some of them were near half a meter inside the pitch...I called up both teams on it, but Magic was by far the worst team I have seen for it (I suggest your team do a session to go through this with the kids, we are what, 5 years into their footballing careers...they are all talented kids, and should be able to avoid the most blatant foul throws) :-\ ...heck I even moved Magic's handball to stop a goal out of the box, and didn't even give a clear free kick when one of the Edgeworth kids was kicked, studs up in the chest. I believe that the only ruling I made that perhaps wasn't correct was one corner, but from my vantage point it looked like a deflection came off the Magic player marking the attempted cross

As for the claim that Edgeworth played U10s kids in the U9s, that is not true at all...and the U10s team you faced, that beat you, had 2 U9s kids, who play up into 10s...one of those boys, the weaker one, played in his own age group in the U9s match the day before

P.S. this is kids football, you don't have to be so salty...the sheep stations come next year

Try not to be such a ********** next time, sulkiness does not become anyone

Jesus get a life you clown. No one cares. Clearly that other drop kick was being sarcastic 🤦*♂️

[Doopche]

Great response.

Im not with tragic or at the game but was giving you an example of the cancerous culture at that club and has been there for +20 yrs from 6s up.

Win at all costs, cry bitch when they lose, put down other teams players and playing styles as well. Yrs of game day experience has bought that all here. Sure, those that cant handle the truth will have hissy fit but facts are facts.

All the best keep on going.

Oh, well done to the kids and coaches at all other clubs. You are doing very well

You sound like you need hug. I’m taking a wild guess but did magic cut your son from the trials or something?

[onlooker]

Well this thread has gone sideways real quick.
Gone from interesting discussions about how each club is promoting youth football and providing a pathway for the kids to better themselves for their footballing futures..


I for one have loved the discussion up until recently. It has been brilliant. I have also been impressed by a lot of the football I have seen. My daughter plays in the 12’s so we come up against the 11 boys m. Some of the games I have been lucky enough to be on the sidelines to witness have been excellent. And I really enjoy seeing the girls take up the challenge to the boys and seeing the boys quickly realise these girls are not pushovers and they have to be at their best against them..

[finzee]

You sound like you need hug. I’m taking a wild guess but did magic cut your son from the trials or something?

lol. why would he accept at trial after what i already knew. did you not see my factual evidence. he knocked that back.

You needn't feel offended if you happily fit within that regime.

I suggest more lads play for their closest SAP clubs and make them stronger. Everyone is trying their best including the kids

[samcan]

I wonder if SAP will allow mid coast in the 12's next year?

[KITZ]

Did your youngen go onto bigger better stuff?

He has had some train on time with the jets, and great feedback from other clubs TD's on game day which I think is really great that they take the time out to speak to him. From where he started to now he's come a long way.

In SAP there were definitely goalkeepers that we identified he needed to watch and learn from. Now, it's more that he needs to learn from his own game, so watching his own game back is always helpful.

He's still young, it is just a lot of hard work and sometimes not a lot of payoff short term. If you want to be a goalkeeper who makes it through then you usually aren't in the team that wins the GF every year because you want to be touching the ball as much as you can. Standing around for 90 minutes just doesn't do anything for your game development.

I'm just happy that he has a good understanding around that idea and winning or not he plays exactly the same way, although he tells me he still prefers to be busy the whole game. lol.

[Aegon]

Watching Jaffa’s v Olympic at Darling St Oval this morning.

No goals yet but absolutely excellent football being played by 9 & 10 year olds.

[Aegon]

Watching Jaffa’s v Olympic at Darling St Oval this morning.

No goals yet but absolutely excellent football being played by 9 & 10 year olds.

Both 10’s games were extremely close and were unreal to watch. The passing, possession play and individual skills on show were fantastic. Great examples of some very well trained kids on both teams.

[Game_over]

Watching Jaffa’s v Olympic at Darling St Oval this morning.

No goals yet but absolutely excellent football being played by 9 & 10 year olds.

Agreed, I watched the 9's and it was great to see 2 teams being coached to play the correct way, passing through the defense. probably the most competitive games I've seen in this season so far.

[Aegon]

Interesting tidbits from Jaffa's 10's games this weekend.

The Black team played the Emerging Jets Girls (Under 11's maybe?).
The Jets girls play the game with a roving keeper, the girl in the keeper kit was in midfield most of the time and when the boys would start attacking she would run back into goals.
It was an interesting tactic, the boys were not quite sure what to do and were shooting from long distance too often trying to catch them out, it ended up giving the girls the lions share of possession. They didn't really use it effectively as they focused a lot more on dribbling, would beat a player or two then lose the ball or shoot. Might have been deliberate in developing their individual skills, if not there wasn't much teamwork on show.
Very close game, there would only have been a goal in it if any. Some excellent girls in that team.

The Yellow team played New Lambton Gold who are their B team in this age group. Pretty tough game to watch, the Jaffa's keeper didn't touch the ball in the first half.
Not sure of the reasoning behind having A & B teams but I don't think it is very fair on the kids that end up in the B squads getting 10-20 goals scored against them regularly.
How many of these kids will walk away from the game through lack of enjoyment? Yet their mates in the A team are doing it very easily and have scored 20+ goals in some of their games.

[sammydog]

The Yellow team played New Lambton Gold who are their B team in this age group. Pretty tough game to watch, the Jaffa's keeper didn't touch the ball in the first half.
Not sure of the reasoning behind having A & B teams but I don't think it is very fair on the kids that end up in the B squads getting 10-20 goals scored against them regularly.
How many of these kids will walk away from the game through lack of enjoyment? Yet their mates in the A team are doing it very easily and have scored 20+ goals in some of their games.

Maybe thats more of a reflection of the fact that there should only by one team at each club and the others are merely making up numbers, maybe community football is actually better for their development.

[Aegon]

Maybe thats more of a reflection of the fact that there should only by one team at each club and the others are merely making up numbers, maybe community football is actually better for their development.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, it's also my opinion that each club should only have 1 team.

With how it is today though why would a club not go with 2 evenly balanced teams? On the face of it they would have 2 very competitive teams. They may not "win" every game but the kids would get more out of it.

[sapdad]

The Yellow team played New Lambton Gold who are their B team in this age group. Pretty tough game to watch, the Jaffa's keeper didn't touch the ball in the first half.
Not sure of the reasoning behind having A & B teams but I don't think it is very fair on the kids that end up in the B squads getting 10-20 goals scored against them regularly.
How many of these kids will walk away from the game through lack of enjoyment? Yet their mates in the A team are doing it very easily and have scored 20+ goals in some of their games.

from my understanding this age group wasnt soley picked as an A and B team.Kids were split up to even out positions and expose some to different coaching.i wont argue that there is a substantial difference between the squads though.as for kids walking away from the game,lets be real.kids in these age groups are swapping clubs because they feel they can play with better teammates elsewhere already anyway.sadly,making kids play with kids who are not as good creates just as many issues as it solves.even your club picked an A and B team in 11's except instead of playing them they kicked the B kids out altogether( i know the reason why but the results were the same).The idea of playing kids in A and B then putting all the A teams together also has merit but then do the B team kids ever get the chance to catch up.Theres no right or wrong path,but im seeing the consequences of all the methods and no one has it right.im personally of the opinion of giving as many kids access to the program and hoping it creates a really big talent pool at 13 for the kids to take the next step in their development across all the NPL clubs.kids that arent standouts in SAP might be better suited to the bigger field, more space etc.if they have the fundamentals correct at that age (dribbling, touch, shooting) the next step might be where they thrive.

on a side note i was watching u/11 Olympic vs Jets girls just before the Jaffas game you were referencing. The jets keeper was doing the exact same thing, standing on half way all game.obviously its a club coaching philosophy and was interesting to watch.

[samcan]

The more competitive games the better. The comp should be evened at some point. No one develops much at 15+ to 0

Now if NNSW had some money and some staff they could easily see club strengths after a few rounds and begin to grade accordingly.

Singo in the 10s would have lost to many community teams. Not clubs or coaches fault. They were trying their best to give the kids a shot.

However due to special circumstances this year, lets just be thankful to be on the pitch.

[Goatscheese]

I’m actually getting tired of reading about magic or Olympic having the luxury of good players And poaching this and that .

I know of 3 kids this year who Magic have approached to come play for them next year. So they do, do it. Though they aren't the only club that has spoken to one of these players.


If NNSW don’t sort this out and make an A grade and B grade then it’s nothing more then a money grabbing glorified community competition with absurd rego prices.

Making money is all Northern is interested about.


No mention in SAP rules as to how the GK can release the ball so a kick would appear to be ok.All attacking players are required to remain behind the drop-off line when goal kicks are being taken until the team taking the goal kick has taken a touch.Not applicable when goalkeeper receives the ball in general play.Rule 4.4

Yeah drop off only applies to the goal kick not when the keeper has it in his hand nor does he have to drop it. I think some coaches and parents on here need to read the rules before making claims.


Thanks mate, much appreciated. Not overly familiar with things at that end of the age groups.

To clarify, there’s been comments upon reading that imply that some clubs are focussed on “winning” rather than development. Just wondering, those teams that try to win more opposed to homing skills etc, what does their play style look like?
Do they kick and chase, long balls, give it to their good player to run through. Like what makes them focussed on winning? Is it the language of coaches driving that “feeling” that scoring and winning is important, or their play style.

Just curious.

Is scoring still exciting? Are the kids competing to “win”?

I've seen coaches that "want to win" but focus on the development and that's what leads them to winning games. They don't mix it up they don't just boot it long they just encourage the kids and remind them of the basic skills and by following that process the kids will naturally win more often than not.

Also of course the kids are competing to win and find scoring exciting.

[Goatscheese]

One rule that a lot of coaches don't follow though is this


A Team will be permitted to utilise 2 interchange periods in each half;
➢ A Team’s interchange periods can be used at the discretion of that Team;
➢ During these periods, Teams may make an unlimited number of interchanges;
➢ Teams may make an unlimited number of interchanges during the half-time period;
➢ In the event of an injury causing a Player to be unable to continue in the match, an
Injury Interchange may be permitted, for the injured Player only, at the discretion
of the Match Official which will not count toward the 2 interchange periods


Plenty of coaches and game leaders either don't know or don't care about the rule

Not sure why Northern brought it in, it's hardly followed and unless you have game leaders that will stop it every week (and they are usually parents or younger players) there is no point in Northern in putting this in especially since their U12 SAP comp regulations state there is no limit

[sapdad]

One rule that a lot of coaches don't follow though is this




Plenty of coaches and game leaders either don't know or don't care about the rule

Not sure why Northern brought it in, it's hardly followed and unless you have game leaders that will stop it every week (and they are usually parents or younger players) there is no point in Northern in putting this in especially since their U12 SAP comp regulations state there is no limit

i think its a good idea just to keep the game tidy.our coach follows it but mistimed his subs one week (the kids ran on about 30s apart).when he went to make his next lot of subs the opposition coach was up off the bench complaining like someone had keyed his car.the carry on was a bit much and the refs boss dealt with it at halftime.

[Aegon]

One rule that a lot of coaches don't follow though is this




Plenty of coaches and game leaders either don't know or don't care about the rule

Not sure why Northern brought it in, it's hardly followed and unless you have game leaders that will stop it every week (and they are usually parents or younger players) there is no point in Northern in putting this in especially since their U12 SAP comp regulations state there is no limit

It's a pointless rule that is ignored week in week out. As you say, how is it supposed to be enforced by volunteer game leaders?

[Doopche]

I know of 3 kids this year who Magic have approached to come play for them next year. So they do, do it. Though they aren't the only club that has spoken to one of these players.



Making money is all Northern is interested about.



Yeah drop off only applies to the goal kick not when the keeper has it in his hand nor does he have to drop it. I think some coaches and parents on here need to read the rules before making claims.



I've seen coaches that "want to win" but focus on the development and that's what leads them to winning games. They don't mix it up they don't just boot it long they just encourage the kids and remind them of the basic skills and by following that process the kids will naturally win more often than not.

Also of course the kids are competing to win and find scoring exciting.

Yeah I think you may be stretching the truth a bit there.
From what I know is that they aren’t allowed to approach any kids unless their parents have filled in EOI forms at that club. Maybe go back to who’s told you this and ask them if they have filled out EOI at Olympic and Magic before jumping on a forum bagging out clubs for poaching. But hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.

[sapdad]

It's a pointless rule that is ignored week in week out. As you say, how is it supposed to be enforced by volunteer game leaders?
i can see the point of it,but until teams start time wasting late in games i cant see how making subs interferes with the flow of the game.most teams i watch dont stop the game for subs anyway.the ball goes out, they call their kids over and the game goes on as the others get back into position.main thing is the welfare of the kids, as the weather warms up if kids are struggling out there its on everyone involved to make sure they arent kept out there because of some silly rule.

[ABCDEF]

Yeah I think you may be stretching the truth a bit there.
From what I know is that they aren’t allowed to approach any kids unless their parents have filled in EOI forms at that club. Maybe go back to who’s told you this and ask them if they have filled out EOI at Olympic and Magic before jumping on a forum bagging out clubs for poaching. But hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.

He’s right. A few years ago a kid I know got a phone call from Lambton Jaffas among with other players from his team to go to Jaffas. No EOI, he was just a good player. Doesn’t know how they even got his number. Would have been about 13/14 at the time maybe

[Doopche]

He’s right. A few years ago a kid I know got a phone call from Lambton Jaffas among with other players from his team to go to Jaffas. No EOI, he was just a good player. Doesn’t know how they even got his number. Would have been about 13/14 at the time maybe
Right about what? That’s 13/14 of course they will chase kids at that age. This guy is talking about SAP kids. Let’s not get off track now, next you’ll be saying clubs chase senior players 😱

[samcan]

One rule that a lot of coaches don't follow though is this




Plenty of coaches and game leaders either don't know or don't care about the rule

Not sure why Northern brought it in, it's hardly followed and unless you have game leaders that will stop it every week (and they are usually parents or younger players) there is no point in Northern in putting this in especially since their U12 SAP comp regulations state there is no limit

The rule was stupid to start with. depending on teams with 1,2 or 3 subs 10 and 20th minute is a joke. Its very difficult to organise even game time. Although multiple changes in the last 5 needs to be stamped

[samcan]

He’s right. A few years ago a kid I know got a phone call from Lambton Jaffas among with other players from his team to go to Jaffas. No EOI, he was just a good player. Doesn’t know how they even got his number. Would have been about 13/14 at the time maybe

Many clubs have been calling early for a long time regardless of signup rules. And the reason why the "top clubs" are more successful at this is because theres more chance of winning OR maybe getting into reps.


kids in these age groups are swapping clubs because they feel they can play with better teammates elsewhere.

Always been the way. And yes it does create more problems for lower strength clubs.

I dont have a solution

[cobra23]

i can see the point of it,but until teams start time wasting late in games i cant see how making subs interferes with the flow of the game.most teams i watch dont stop the game for subs anyway.the ball goes out, they call their kids over and the game goes on as the others get back into position.main thing is the welfare of the kids, as the weather warms up if kids are struggling out there its on everyone involved to make sure they arent kept out there because of some silly rule.

the reason why this is not implemented now is that NNSW withdrew that rule due to covid and players especially 9s & 10s would not be fit enough, i have no problems with unlimited subs as long its done without stopping the game...

[Aegon]

Yeah I think you may be stretching the truth a bit there.
From what I know is that they aren’t allowed to approach any kids unless their parents have filled in EOI forms at that club. Maybe go back to who’s told you this and ask them if they have filled out EOI at Olympic and Magic before jumping on a forum bagging out clubs for poaching. But hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.

There isn't any restrictions offering players positions, etc. Only on holding formal trials.
Most clubs would have been trying to identify players throughout the season to augment player numbers for the transition from 10's to 11's (at least 4 extra kids needed per club) or replacing departing players.

[sapdad]

the reason why this is not implemented now is that NNSW withdrew that rule due to covid and players especially 9s & 10s would not be fit enough, i have no problems with unlimited subs as long its done without stopping the game...
agreed,the common sense approach is best here.

[Goatscheese]

Yeah I think you may be stretching the truth a bit there.
From what I know is that they aren’t allowed to approach any kids unless their parents have filled in EOI forms at that club. Maybe go back to who’s told you this and ask them if they have filled out EOI at Olympic and Magic before jumping on a forum bagging out clubs for poaching. But hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Don't have to ask all of them as one of them is my step-son and we certainly haven't filled out an EOI for the two clubs that approached them. One is either Magic or Olympic and one is another NPL club.

It's not just Olympic and Magic doing it (can't say for both but can say for one of the clubs). So perhaps next time don't get so defenisve and just accept that what you think is true isn't true at all. And if Olympic or Magic have that rule they should tell their coaches that.

[Goatscheese]

The rule was stupid to start with. depending on teams with 1,2 or 3 subs 10 and 20th minute is a joke. Its very difficult to organise even game time. Although multiple changes in the last 5 needs to be stamped

If coaches are doing that in SAP to win a game then they need to pull their head in.

[Goatscheese]

the reason why this is not implemented now is that NNSW withdrew that rule due to covid and players especially 9s & 10s would not be fit enough, i have no problems with unlimited subs as long its done without stopping the game...

But it is on their updated COVID rules.

[Goatscheese]

How do you even know it was a coach? Could have been a father or anyone. Anyway take it as a compliment that your kid may be a good player and not turn it into a poaching story on a SAP forum to get some attention. I’m not defending any club I’m just over some of the crap some of you go on with. Bore off

Because I know who they both are. Better if you just accept that what you want to claim doesn't happen does in fact happen. I'm not bagging out clubs for doing it but it's false to say clubs don't do it because clearly they do.

[sapdad]

watched a fantastic game of u/11's football down at Darling St today.Players, coaches and spectators were all brilliant.wish it was that level every week.

[Jim]

Don't have to ask all of them as one of them is my step-son and we certainly haven't filled out an EOI for the two clubs that approached them. One is either Magic or Olympic and one is another NPL club.

It's not just Olympic and Magic doing it (can't say for both but can say for one of the clubs). So perhaps next time don't get so defenisve and just accept that what you think is true isn't true at all. And if Olympic or Magic have that rule they should tell their coaches that.

is he going?

i know of 4 clubs asking for players. much of this is enquiry and or mutual trades.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Don’t really see the problem. Welcome to “elite” sport culture.
I’d argue a club that scouts players through the season to line them up for next year, is a pretty progressive club. It seems a better idea than having 40-100 kids turn up to 2-3 trials and trying to pick the best.
Yes, is may seem disrespectful to their current players that will be replaced and also to the clubs in which they are poaching from.

However, everyone has a choice. You can Go and play for the club and potentially be one of the players they look to replace the folllowing year, or you can choose to stay at your current club.
Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything.
As somebody said, it’s a compliment. “Yeh, you’re a good player, we’d love to have you at our club next year”. You don’t have to say yes...


As I’ve said before. Over time all the clubs will develop a reputation. If you’re in and around the system, you’ll know which clubs take SAP seriously, which clubs are good at transitioning them to NPL, which clubs don’t care, which clubs show loyalty, which clubs always get good coaches etc. The clubs define their culture and players/parents make their decisions. The strong clubs will have a good reputation with kids lining up to go, the bad will be left with kids who don’t know better or aren’t as competitive.

[onlooker]

Macquarie 12 girls played mid coast south 11’s today..

Girls might not have been at there best today, can’t wait till we can get back to normal training with out having a different club there each week to either look at them or run it, seems to have thrown the girls off a bit.

But boy was I impressed by the way the mid Coast boys played, they played some great football, passed the ball around some lovely forward movement, took their shots when it was on and later it off when it wasn’t. I can’t remember their coach having to say too much during the game he just sat back and watched the boys play..

[Alan]

Don’t really see the problem. Welcome to “elite” sport culture.
I’d argue a club that scouts players through the season to line them up for next year, is a pretty progressive club. It seems a better idea than having 40-100 kids turn up to 2-3 trials and trying to pick the best.
Yes, is may seem disrespectful to their current players that will be replaced and also to the clubs in which they are poaching from.

However, everyone has a choice. You can Go and play for the club and potentially be one of the players they look to replace the folllowing year, or you can choose to stay at your current club.
Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything.
As somebody said, it’s a compliment. “Yeh, you’re a good player, we’d love to have you at our club next year”. You don’t have to say yes...


As I’ve said before. Over time all the clubs will develop a reputation. If you’re in and around the system, you’ll know which clubs take SAP seriously, which clubs are good at transitioning them to NPL, which clubs don’t care, which clubs show loyalty, which clubs always get good coaches etc. The clubs define their culture and players/parents make their decisions. The strong clubs will have a good reputation with kids lining up to go, the bad will be left with kids who don’t know better or aren’t as competitive.

Hi Bremsstrahlung,

I couldn't agree with this more. It is absolutely a compliment for a player to be seen by another club and asked to go and play for them. Talk of "poaching" is wide of the mark - I don't know of any clubs offering SAP players free rego, or giving these kids' parents something to sweeten the deal, so there is nothing underhanded.

Clubs spotting good players and asking them if they are interested in joining them next season is forward thinking. They are not taking players away mid-season, so what is the issue? As has been said, if you don't want to go, you don't have to!

Clubs not planning for next season are the ones that will be left behind. I've not heard of the 'mutual trades' mentioned by Jim - that sounds a little like cattle trading! - but the better clubs will always be attractive to better players, so players moving around is always going to happen.

A

[Alan]

Macquarie 12 girls played mid coast south 11’s today..

Girls might not have been at there best today, can’t wait till we can get back to normal training with out having a different club there each week to either look at them or run it, seems to have thrown the girls off a bit.

So, Macquarie Girls training sessions are being run by other clubs, or other clubs are sending reps to watch training to recruit for next season? Or both???

A

[onlooker]

So, Macquarie Girls training sessions are being run by other clubs, or other clubs are sending reps to watch training to recruit for next season? Or both???

A

Had a bit of both, last Monday and tonight the jets have been there whilst all U/12 girls teams mix in and play so they can select for their U/13’s team next year. But we have had some of the WPL teams come and run a session and some just come and watch a session then have a chat to the girls about their options for next year.

[sideline88]

So, Macquarie Girls training sessions are being run by other clubs, or other clubs are sending reps to watch training to recruit for next season? Or both???

A

i wont speak for onlooker but i know HV Girls SAP are having sessions with Maitland FC/Thornton WPL over the coming weeks in preparation for 2021 ( maybe a similar situation for the MF girls)

[Aegon]

i wont speak for onlooker but i know HV Girls SAP are having sessions with Maitland FC/Thornton WPL over the coming weeks in preparation for 2021 ( maybe a similar situation for the MF girls)

Great to see the WPL clubs being proactive about getting the SAP girls involved with their clubs earlier on.

[onlooker]

i wont speak for onlooker but i know HV Girls SAP are having sessions with Maitland FC/Thornton WPL over the coming weeks in preparation for 2021 ( maybe a similar situation for the MF girls)

We have had a club ask our girls to come to their training sessions, more on an individual basis rather then the whole team. At first the girls were not aloud to but I think that has been relaxed to being optional..

[sideline88]

We have had a club ask our girls to come to their training sessions, more on an individual basis rather then the whole team. At first the girls were not aloud to but I think that has been relaxed to being optional..

yeah makes sense with the 12s to help give them a feel for WPL next year, and few clubs to trying to get on the front foot with only a limited pool of girls to draw from the current SAP program.

[onlooker]

Considering it’s the first time it’s actually been a viable option to come look at and try and recruit the girls aging out of sap a few clubs have really been on the front foot with it. We have had 5 of the clubs show up over varying nights. So those who don’t get picked up by the jets have plenty of clubs looking to bring them over.

[Goatscheese]

is he going?

i know of 4 clubs asking for players. much of this is enquiry and or mutual trades.

No he isn't, he is happy with his coach and enjoys playing with his team. We're happy with the club and the coach. No need to change

Mutual trades? Clubs trading players?

[Goatscheese]

Don’t really see the problem. Welcome to “elite” sport culture.
I’d argue a club that scouts players through the season to line them up for next year, is a pretty progressive club. It seems a better idea than having 40-100 kids turn up to 2-3 trials and trying to pick the best.

Not sure if anyone was saying it was a bad thing (maybe they were), was just pointing out that people claiming that clubs don't do it are talking shit

[sapdad]

Clubs not planning for next season are the ones that will be left behind.


couldnt agree more.you only have to look at clubs who are actively inviting players to trial and clubs who have already posted expressions of interest for new players.then there are the clubs that are seemingly cleaning out coaches and not providing any feedback to parents about next season and seem to think kids are going to want to hang around until they do.clubs like that are in for a bit of a rude shock going forward.

[Aegon]

then there are the clubs that are seemingly cleaning out coaches and not providing any feedback to parents about next season and seem to think kids are going to want to hang around until they do.clubs like that are in for a bit of a rude shock going forward.

Ouch - not a good spot to be in at all.

[sideline88]

Girls SAP announced Today to be run by WPL clubs for under 10-12 from next season.

[onlooker]

Girls SAP announced Today to be run by WPL clubs for under 10-12 from next season.
That means the end of Newcastle, Macquarie and Hunter sap football.. the big question is which teams are taking what age groups straight away. And where are all these girls coming from hopefully each club has been preparing for this and have hidden girls away from the zone sap programs over the years.

[sideline88]

That means the end of Newcastle, Macquarie and Hunter sap football.. the big question is which teams are taking what age groups straight away. And where are all these girls coming from hopefully each club has been preparing for this and have hidden girls away from the zone sap programs over the years.

Emerging jets also announced to finish up, itll go one of 2 ways, 3 clubs will pickup each of the 3 girls squads and the remaining WPL clubs will be left to draw on the community players or the current SAP girls will all split up amongst the WPL teams and hope everyone can fill the remaining places. That being said from games I’ve seen over the past year there’s still plenty of talent girls in Community football

[sammydog]

Emerging jets also announced to finish up, itll go one of 2 ways, 3 clubs will pickup each of the 3 girls squads and the remaining WPL clubs will be left to draw on the community players or the current SAP girls will all split up amongst the WPL teams and hope everyone can fill the remaining places. That being said from games I’ve seen over the past year there’s still plenty of talent girls in Community football

Heaps of talent in community girls, but not huge numbers. Watch teams in community struggle for numbers after players are cherry picked so these new clubs to the WPL with no connection to girls football can field their SAP teams.

[sapdad]

so still no clear direction on teams per club?one team released details they are going to one team each in 9,10,11 and 12 next year.they ran 2 teams in 10 and 11 this year im sure.

[samcan]

so still no clear direction on teams per club?one team released details they are going to one team each in 9,10,11 and 12 next year.they ran 2 teams in 10 and 11 this year im sure.

And that would be?

It's a good thing if thats what keeps teams competitive.

[Aegon]

so still no clear direction on teams per club?one team released details they are going to one team each in 9,10,11 and 12 next year.they ran 2 teams in 10 and 11 this year im sure.

There is no clear direction from Northern. It still looks like it is being left up to clubs to choose whether they run 1 or 2 teams per age group.

I'd be interested to know if clubs running 1 or 2 teams per age group affects the SAP licence costs. I doubt it does, but do not know for sure.

[sapdad]

There is no clear direction from Northern. It still looks like it is being left up to clubs to choose whether they run 1 or 2 teams per age group.


its been said already but for the life of me i dont understand why clubs dont have 2 teams all the way through so their 13's are made up of 15/16 kids from their own program that have been playing together for a few years.clubs going to one team in 11 and 12 then need to find more really good kids for their 13s anyway.i know some clubs are confident there will be a line up of good kids wanting to play for their club but other clubs have buckleys of attracting more talent.all the while the better run SAP programs have 2 good teams and have been adding kids in all the way along to strengthen.cant wait to see all the shocked faces when those same clubs dominate NPL youth and everyone wonders what the secret is.

[Hunter403]

its been said already but for the life of me i dont understand why clubs dont have 2 teams all the way through so their 13's are made up of 15/16 kids from their own program that have been playing together for a few years.clubs going to one team in 11 and 12 then need to find more really good kids for their 13s anyway.i know some clubs are confident there will be a line up of good kids wanting to play for their club but other clubs have buckleys of attracting more talent.all the while the better run SAP programs have 2 good teams and have been adding kids in all the way along to strengthen.cant wait to see all the shocked faces when those same clubs dominate NPL youth and everyone wonders what the secret is.

You are spot on regarding the numbers. SAP should provide each club with a 13s squad. If it doesn't, it has failed in what I think is or should be, a KPI. SAP was supposed to help remove the problem of insufficent numbers feeding into NPL. If a club has only one team, where will they get the rest of the kids? (Rhetorical, as we all know what will happen).

[Jim]

Mutual trades? Clubs trading players?

"Jonny from your club has elected to trial and join our club. There wont be space for freddy, are you guys interested if his parents are keen?" Freddy maybe almost as good as the others and maybe a real good fit for the other club.

[Captain_Carl]

Does anyone know the format of U12 SAP next season? Will it be 9v9 On a half field? Will it be 9v9 on a modified full field such as Zone SAP does or will it be 11v11 full field?

[Alan]

Emerging jets also announced to finish up, itll go one of 2 ways, 3 clubs will pickup each of the 3 girls squads and the remaining WPL clubs will be left to draw on the community players or the current SAP girls will all split up amongst the WPL teams and hope everyone can fill the remaining places. That being said from games I’ve seen over the past year there’s still plenty of talent girls in Community football

Is there any news on the reasons why the EJ Girls have finished up? I assume financial but haven’t seen any news release.

I’m told current players have been told to seek out opportunities with clubs in either boys SAP or the new girls SAP. I doubt one club will get a whole team en masse - but for sure some clubs will take as many as they can.

Let’s see how well SAP girls teams fit into the already crowded training ground and matches schedules!

A

[sideline88]

Is there any news on the reasons why the EJ Girls have finished up? I assume financial but haven’t seen any news release.

I’m told current players have been told to seek out opportunities with clubs in either boys SAP or the new girls SAP. I doubt one club will get a whole team en masse - but for sure some clubs will take as many as they can.

Let’s see how well SAP girls teams fit into the already crowded training ground and matches schedules!

A

i very much doubt its a driver but cancelling the girls emerging jets will help with numbers of players available for Club girls SAP in 2021 (if they choose to go that path over trying to slide into the Existing Boys teams)

Agreed no one club would manage to pick up an entire current Jets or Association SAP squad, but not to say some arent already working hard at building relationships, Daughters team had a session with Maitland NPL coaches on Monday and i believe they have a few more lined up in the coming weeks. with Most HV family's based around Cessnock i think a majority will go that direction out of convenience.

[samcan]

Does anyone know the format of U12 SAP next season? Will it be 9v9 On a half field? Will it be 9v9 on a modified full field such as Zone SAP does or will it be 11v11 full field?

Im guessing same as previous. U12 SAP in NSW metro use the 9v9 format and heard no mention of change yet. Is NNSW still operating?

1694

[Alan]

Heaps of talent in community girls, but not huge numbers. Watch teams in community struggle for numbers after players are cherry picked so these new clubs to the WPL with no connection to girls football can field their SAP teams.

Very pleased to see Merewether given girls SAP licence. Fully deserved after all their efforts in the WPL.

A

[Reds Forever]

Any word if all WPL clubs will run girls SAP?

[Goatscheese]

its been said already but for the life of me i dont understand why clubs dont have 2 teams all the way through

Potentially some clubs don't get enough players to trail or at least enough of quality.

[sideline88]

Any word if all WPL clubs will run girls SAP?

Id say all will attempt to run teams in all age Groups, but unfortunately it maybe a numbers game.

So far we have only seen EOI from Adamstown, Merewether and New Lambton

[Aegon]

I watched New Lambton v Jaffas games on the weekend.

I can't help but feel bad for New Lambton, they are obviously attracting some talented kids to their SAP program and are fielding very competitive teams in multiple age groups.

Their squads are probably stronger than 1/2 of the established NPL clubs.

However the problem lies in - how do they retain their players? Once the kids (or parents) start looking forward toward NPL Youth they'll start leaving to go to NPL clubs.

I'm really not sure, as a club, how you would plan for this turnover year on year until some sort of Pro/rel is re-introduced into NNSWF.

[Alan]

Can any of our New Lambton cohort say what is happening with SAP at the club next season? I was told of very exciting news about a fabulous coach getting involved with SAP there, but then also heard about an exodus of players and coaches.

But I'm not actually sure whether either is true!

A

[sapdad]

Can any of our New Lambton cohort say what is happening with SAP at the club next season? I was told of very exciting news about a fabulous coach getting involved with SAP there, but then also heard about an exodus of players and coaches.

But I'm not actually sure whether either is true!

A
all i know is that one innercity club will ultimately be the big winner out of all of this and its not NL.this is the email i read a while back but my good friend on this forum told me i dont know anything.anyway good luck to whoever is left standing over there next year but before tears are shed please understand this is all of the clubs doing.they will reap what they sow after the way they have treated people.from what i understand theres still some real good kids who dont have a club locked in next year so if you are after any hit them up.

[Alan]

all i know is that one innercity club will ultimately be the big winner out of all of this and its not NL.this is the email i read a while back but my good friend on this forum told me i dont know anything.anyway good luck to whoever is left standing over there next year but before tears are shed please understand this is all of the clubs doing.they will reap what they sow after the way they have treated people.from what i understand theres still some real good kids who dont have a club locked in next year so if you are after any hit them up.

Hi sapdad,

Can you explain the issues there? I certainly am not looking for names, but if there are major issues in the SAP space the foz seems a good place to unpack them if you are willing?

A

[samcan]

Can any of our New Lambton cohort say what is happening with SAP at the club next season? I was told of very exciting news about a fabulous coach getting involved with SAP there, but then also heard about an exodus of players and coaches.

But I'm not actually sure whether either is true!

A

Ive reliably heard of 2 leaving u10s. Now this isnt a big thing as it happens at all clubs. There is a player or 2 propping up teams that shouldnt be there which maybe causing some concern.

When my nephew trialed there being a local junior they already had one team completed and closed through parental cliques.

[sapdad]

Hi sapdad,

Can you explain the issues there? I certainly am not looking for names, but if there are major issues in the SAP space the foz seems a good place to unpack them if you are willing?

A
pretty sure there are NL coaches on here that could shed some more detail.not my club but i have ties there and dont wish to betray confidences.people ive met on the way out the door are all pointing the finger in the same direction though.

[Goatscheese]

Sounds like a lot of rumour and gossip and shit stirring since people can't say exactly what is happening

[Goatscheese]

However the problem lies in - how do they retain their players? Once the kids (or parents) start looking forward toward NPL Youth they'll start leaving to go to NPL clubs.

I'm really not sure, as a club, how you would plan for this turnover year on year until some sort of Pro/rel is re-introduced into NNSWF.

Part of the problem with not having promotion and relegation and all though all SAP teams are in the same competition and shouldn't matter parents don't see it that way. Only thing you can do is build up a strong inclusive culture that will keep people at the club even if it is in NL1 and not NPL

[sapdad]

Only thing you can do is build up a strong inclusive culture that will keep people at the club even if it is in NL1 and not NPL

:thumbsup:

[Jim]

Sounds like a lot of rumour and gossip and shit stirring since people can't say exactly what is happening

If you dont know maybe shut up.

They are close to the mark.

[Aegon]

Only thing you can do is build up a strong inclusive culture that will keep people at the club even if it is in NL1 and not NPL

There are kids from New Lambton in the TSP/SDP Program which means that they are considered one of the top 12-15 kids in their age group, there are also a bunch of other kids there almost at the same level. Do you think that there is any realistic chance of them staying in NL1 once SAP under 12's transitions to NPL Under 13's?

As samcan mentioned there are at least 2 kids in their current under 10's already looking elsewhere.

It's a tough spot to be in as a club as they run the risk of training kids & training them very well for up to 4 years and then be left chasing for numbers when its get's to 13's due to high performing players leaving for NPL clubs.

I very much doubt that club culture is going to be enough unfortunately.

[Bremsstrahlung]

The sooner they give out some NPL licenses the better.
Back to the days where there was relegation and promotion if teams met criteria/have NPL licenses.

Clubs like NL, there’s a few more too, have potential to grow and are being held back.

The best 100 players will stay in NPL regardless of what club is promoted or relegated.

[scowling]

Can any of our New Lambton cohort say what is happening with SAP at the club next season? I was told of very exciting news about a fabulous coach getting involved with SAP there, but then also heard about an exodus of players and coaches.

But I'm not actually sure whether either is true!



As previously mentioned I'm the U9 SAP coach at NLFC. I do have more information about next year, but I'm not sure how much is public information so I can't divulge all that I know. I can confirm that there is a high profile "name" being lined up to direct the SAP program at NLFC. I've been told there are extensive plans for the structure, but I have not been shown or told what that means.

I have heard anecdotally that some players and coaches are changing/leaving - however I wouldn't put that down to anything more than "normal" NLFC end of season attrition. As Aegon alludes to if a parent/player has sights set on NPL, NLFC can't fulfil that goal (yet)


I watched New Lambton v Jaffas games on the weekend.

I can't help but feel bad for New Lambton, they are obviously attracting some talented kids to their SAP program and are fielding very competitive teams in multiple age groups.

Their squads are probably stronger than 1/2 of the established NPL clubs.

However the problem lies in - how do they retain their players? Once the kids (or parents) start looking forward toward NPL Youth they'll start leaving to go to NPL clubs.

I'm really not sure, as a club, how you would plan for this turnover year on year until some sort of Pro/rel is re-introduced into NNSWF.

What age group did you watch Aegon?
My 9's are injury ravaged at the moment - one sub across 60 minutes makes for very tired 8 and 9 y.o kids at the end of each half - and only having one team in U9 SAP means we can't draw from anywhere else.
Some clubs we've played seem to have one squad of 20 which they pick teams out of depending on the week and the opposition? However we haven't played every club (let alone every team) so it's hard to confirm that. I did notice a severe change in attitude (in my players) after getting smashed by a Mid Coast FC team that had U10 kids filling in. Massive gap between U9 and U10 in the SAP setup; unfortunate that MCFC felt the need to do it.

But putting that aside - the kids are getting better, they are learning more every week. When reminded to, they even execute it out there on the pitch.
For me, it's a hard thing to balance keeping them motivated AND enjoying it, when there are only fleeting glimpses of what their hard work on the training field can turn into during a game.

[scowling]

There are kids from New Lambton in the TSP/SDP Program which means that they are considered one of the top 12-15 kids in their age group, there are also a bunch of other kids there almost at the same level. Do you think that there is any realistic chance of them staying in NL1 once SAP under 12's transitions to NPL Under 13's?

As samcan mentioned there are at least 2 kids in their current under 10's already looking elsewhere.

It's a tough spot to be in as a club as they run the risk of training kids & training them very well for up to 4 years and then be left chasing for numbers when its get's to 13's due to high performing players leaving for NPL clubs.

I very much doubt that club culture is going to be enough unfortunately.

Probably true re. culture not being the ultimate draw that you'd hope for. I can tell you personally, that if my (now) 9 year old wants desperately to get into NPL, and the best path to get a spot would be to change clubs then I'll make that happen for him. We (as a family) already moved a couple of seasons back from Kotara South to NLFC in order to have NET (and now SAP) be an option.
This is not commentary as to NLFCs culture; I think it's a great club and I'm happy to be a part of it.

Re. the scuttlebutt around grumpy kids/coaches/parents - there is a (necessary in my opinion) process of change being undertaken at NLFC, and in any organisation there are people who don't like change. You also often need strong personalities to enact such change, and strong personalities sometimes rub people the wrong way. As far as I can see the direction is good and the motivations are sincere.

[BS detecor]

If your kid wants to play NPL, he will find a team even if he never stepped foot in the SAP environment. I’ve been through it all and my advice would be to not stress and focus on enjoyment because the only way they will miss out is if they don’t want to do it anymore (providing they can stand on 2 legs and kick a ball)

[sapdad]

If your kid wants to play NPL, he will find a team even if he never stepped foot in the SAP environment. I’ve been through it all and my advice would be to not stress and focus on enjoyment because the only way they will miss out is if they don’t want to do it anymore (providing they can stand on 2 legs and kick a ball)

:thumbsup:

[sapdad]

there is a (necessary in my opinion) process of change being undertaken at NLFC, and in any organisation there are people who don't like change.
what is the necessary change that you think needs to be made?all parents i know who have kids there speak highly of the club and its not like their SAP kids and youth teams arent good.agree with nothing being able to be done about kids wanting to make NPL, but i was always under the impression NL would be more than they needed to get to 12's then move when it mattered.it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this if youre willing to share.

[Aegon]

What age group did you watch Aegon?

Under 10's mate, but I've seen their 11's a few times and they are good squads.

[scowling]

what is the necessary change that you think needs to be made?all parents i know who have kids there speak highly of the club and its not like their SAP kids and youth teams arent good.agree with nothing being able to be done about kids wanting to make NPL, but i was always under the impression NL would be more than they needed to get to 12's then move when it mattered.it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this if youre willing to share.

Yeah sure - nothing very exciting.
It's changes around the support structure for the existing SAP setup. Something that I would have loved to have already been in place when I took on this role for this season.

[scowling]

Under 10's mate, but I've seen their 11's a few times and they are good squads.

Yep, sadly I have not had the chance to see any of the 10s or 11s play.

The 11B team played an intra-club game against my U12 son's team last week; the 11A team is playing them this week. Unfortunately even then they clash with my U9 coaching sessions so can't really watch.

[Alan]

Yeah sure - nothing very exciting.
It's changes around the support structure for the existing SAP setup. Something that I would have loved to have already been in place when I took on this role for this season.

Hi scowling,

It sounds like you have had a pretty tough time this year - I hope you've been able to enjoy it as well. Keep up the good work! :rof:

Do you think that the support structure for SAP will be better next year? If the "name" you and I have mentioned is coming in to help, will that assist IYHO? It would be good to understand the level of involvement they will have next year. My experience of SAP for the past 3 years at our club is that we have a great TD and he has been worth his weight. I am guessing that might be missing in the current SAP structure at NL.

A

[sapdad]

Yeah sure - nothing very exciting.
It's changes around the support structure for the existing SAP setup. Something that I would have loved to have already been in place when I took on this role for this season.
so will you still be coaching SAP next season?

[scowling]

Hi scowling,

It sounds like you have had a pretty tough time this year - I hope you've been able to enjoy it as well. Keep up the good work! :rof:

Do you think that the support structure for SAP will be better next year? If the "name" you and I have mentioned is coming in to help, will that assist IYHO? It would be good to understand the level of involvement they will have next year. My experience of SAP for the past 3 years at our club is that we have a great TD and he has been worth his weight. I am guessing that might be missing in the current SAP structure at NL.

A

Cheers Alan!
Yeah I've enjoyed it. I've learnt a lot about the kids and a lot about me too.

My understanding is that the new recruit will be utilised to bring some more rigour to the SAP structure - or oversight I guess is another term. We (SAP coaches) will have more deliberate, regular contact with that team.

Our technical director (Cas Wright) is great and extremely busy as she's TD across both community and premier groups. Building out this team and formalising reporting lines and support structure can only be a good thing (again, IMO)

[scowling]

so will you still be coaching SAP next season?

I have applied (submitted an EOI) to continue coaching (and would progress to) U10s next season yes.

See my other post, but in a nutshell - I have enjoyed my experience but I think a more formalised structure will benefit all.

And by that I mean,
- communication between coaches,
- between club and coaches,
- attracting and trialling players,
- assessing players
- setting up training programs, and assessing programs
- goals/training outcome reviews
etc.

Not inferring that the current system is terrible at all. But am happy that they are looking at solidifying it.

[samcan]

If your kid wants to play NPL, he will find a team even if he never stepped foot in the SAP environment. I’ve been through it all and my advice would be to not stress and focus on enjoyment because the only way they will miss out is if they don’t want to do it anymore (providing they can stand on 2 legs and kick a ball)

Ive seen this too.

[BS detecor]

And by that I mean,
- communication between coaches,
- between club and coaches,
- attracting and trialling players,
- assessing players
- setting up training programs, and assessing programs
- goals/training outcome reviews


Every clubs fantasy from the Jets to the Jesmond rams

[scowling]

Every clubs fantasy from the Jets to the Jesmond rams

Fair call BS - although we shouldn't let the size of ambition stop the application of effort to achieve (even part of) it.

[Jim]

I have applied (submitted an EOI) to continue coaching (and would progress to) U10s next season yes.

You have to submit an EOI? wow clubs i know are often chasing a coach. Well done though.

[scowling]

You have to submit an EOI? wow clubs i know are often chasing a coach. Well done though.

Yeah thanks Jim - it is a big commitment. And tough week-in week-out when progress is slow.
On the EOI - I think there is a (growing?) expectation amongst parents that fork out for SAP fees that their child is a) in a system that values them, b) has a coach with some/any certification, and c) plays in a side that is halfway competitive - so NLFC are setting processes in place to ensure this happens year-on-year. Good stuff methinks.

[Alan]

Yeah thanks Jim - it is a big commitment. And tough week-in week-out when progress is slow.
On the EOI - I think there is a (growing?) expectation amongst parents that fork out for SAP fees that their child is a) in a system that values them, b) has a coach with some/any certification, and c) plays in a side that is halfway competitive - so NLFC are setting processes in place to ensure this happens year-on-year. Good stuff methinks.

Good on ya champ!

Does NL ask coaches to have a minimum level coaching ticket for SAP? Our club requires only the Skill Training Certificate. We would of course love to have C Licensed coaches but it is such a big commitment both time and financially that I don't ever see it happening.

We are not one of the bigger clubs, so interested to know what other clubs require of their coaches?

A

[Jim]

For the Q above somewhere.... 2021 Premier 12s will move to 65m x 55m (half field) rather than the previous box to box size field.

[Reds Forever]

For the Q above somewhere.... 2021 Premier 12s will move to 65m x 55m (half field) rather than the previous box to box size field.

Not good idea. Big jump from U12 SAP on half field to full size U13 NPL.

At least box to box was gradual increase.

Is this due to ground availability?

[Jim]

Not good idea. Big jump from U12 SAP on half field to full size U13 NPL.

At least box to box was gradual increase.

Is this due to ground availability?

Almost certainty that ground availability is the cause. Agree, the jump in size isnt good

[sapdad]

Almost certainty that ground availability is the cause. Agree, the jump in size isnt good
i agree chopping and changing the u/12s this year is a bit much but im totally in favour of keeping SAP on the small field right through from 9-12. Too much open field too soon is poison for kids and coaches.if they can play their way out on the smaller field it will translate onto the larger space easier than adding another 50m to chase longballs all day.

[Goatscheese]

Not good idea. Big jump from U12 SAP on half field to full size U13 NPL.

At least box to box was gradual increase.

Is this due to ground availability?

With the eventual plan to make U13s and U14s 9v9 box to box that the FFA are pushing

[Jim]

With the eventual plan to make U13s and U14s 9v9 box to box that the FFA are pushing

I heard today that a U13s NPL player had around 6 or 7 touches in one half recently. Makes sense to keep it smaller for a bit longer

[Captain_Carl]

For the Q above somewhere.... 2021 Premier 12s will move to 65m x 55m (half field) rather than the previous box to box size field.

Where did you get this info Jim? Has a memo come out from NNSWF? From experience 9v9 on a half field starts to get a bit cramped for the U12 age group.

[samcan]

Was told that their is a NNSW memo out. Havent seen it.

They mentioned that there maybe a few weeks of fast 5s component at start of year for all SAP 9-12.

Wait for confirmation though.

[YewYew]

He’s right. A few years ago a kid I know got a phone call from Lambton Jaffas among with other players from his team to go to Jaffas. No EOI, he was just a good player. Doesn’t know how they even got his number. Would have been about 13/14 at the time maybe

I heard RH at jaffas has dumped a bunch of kids from the current 9 & 10 SAP and replaced them with NET kids. So lets not say team ain't out there poaching.

[Game_over]

I heard RH at jaffas has dumped a bunch of kids from the current 9 & 10 SAP and replaced them with NET kids. So lets not say team ain't out there poaching.

YewYew when you say a bunch, how many are we talking?

[Jim]

I heard RH at jaffas has dumped a bunch of kids from the current 9 & 10 SAP and replaced them with NET kids. So lets not say team ain't out there poaching.

wrong. Identified not signed. Just like several other top sides have. and players coming "up" from Net is hardly poached.

Any other false outrage?

[YewYew]

You know it’s not hard for parents to say NO? not like clubs are offering transfer fees and goal bonuses at sap level. My son was approached and I declined. End of story.

Wot about the kids who got dumped? There parents couldnt say NO.

& why shouldn’t Net kids say YES? U make no sense.

[YewYew]

YewYew when you say a bunch, how many are we talking?

At least 3 in each

[YewYew]

wrong. Identified not signed. Just like several other top sides have. and players coming "up" from Net is hardly poached.

Any other false outrage?

RIGHT. U just confirm wot i said!!

[sapdad]

I heard RH at jaffas has dumped a bunch of kids from the current 9 & 10 SAP and replaced them with NET kids. So lets not say team ain't out there poaching.

are Jaffas running 2 teams in 10 and 11 next year? they have enough talent over there dont they?are they sticking with one 12's for next year.a few kids tell me they've been approached to trial not sure if there would be any spots available if they are sticking with the one team?

[YewYew]

are Jaffas running 2 teams in 10 and 11 next year? they have enough talent over there dont they?are they sticking with one 12's for next year.a few kids tell me they've been approached to trial not sure if there would be any spots available if they are sticking with the one team?

I don’t no about 12s next yr. was told 2 teams in 9, 10 & 11.

[Aegon]

At least 3 in each

My son is in the 10’s this year and you’re better informed than me.

I know my son’s situation, completely unaware of the greater squad selections as they haven’t been communicated yet.

[Aegon]

are Jaffas running 2 teams in 10 and 11 next year? they have enough talent over there dont they?are they sticking with one 12's for next year.a few kids tell me they've been approached to trial not sure if there would be any spots available if they are sticking with the one team?

Jaffa’s are hoping to run 2 x 12’s teams in all age groups.
Nothing has been confirmed for any age group yet though.

[YewYew]

My son is in the 10’s this year and you’re better informed than me.

I know my son’s situation, completely unaware of the greater squad selections as they haven’t been communicated yet.

Sound like u need to have a yarn with yr other parents. Some real pissed I’m heard

[finzee]

Too much Jafs talk, yeah theyre good but what about other clubs.

Any changes? All running 2 teams? Interesting that SAP and NPL or NPL1 will be connected in all ages from 9s to 16s.

Players in 12s SAP will be able to fill in for 13s NPL.

[scowling]

Too much Jafs talk, yeah theyre good but what about other clubs.

Any changes? All running 2 teams? Interesting that SAP and NPL or NPL1 will be connected in all ages from 9s to 16s.

Players in 12s SAP will be able to fill in for 13s NPL.

I think NLFC is running 2 teams for each BOYS age group (to U12), they're also running girls but not sure about two teams.
The exception is in U9 where they are deliberately doing mixed teams.

I don't know about above that - although my son will hopefully be in U13 NL1 which I believe is only one team.

[samcan]

I think NLFC is running 2 teams for each BOYS age group (to U12), they're also running girls but not sure about two teams.
The exception is in U9 where they are deliberately doing mixed teams.

I don't know about above that - although my son will hopefully be in U13 NL1 which I believe is only one team.

Yep 13s all goes to 1 team and theres a limit of 2 SAP teams per club age.

Are NL putting girls into boys SAP teams? If so can they play a year down in age?

[scowling]

Yep 13s all goes to 1 team and theres a limit of 2 SAP teams per club age.

Are NL putting girls into boys SAP teams? If so can they play a year down in age?


From my understanding that decision is made on a case by case basis. If the player in question can realistically fit into the boys team they don't stop it from happening. I don't think there is a provision to play down an age group. I suspect that they'd prefer the player to switch across to their own age group in the girls stream.

U9 is mixed from the start - two teams made up from the best available 20 kids, irrespective of gender.

[scowling]

In weekend news - my team responded to the request to put in more energy/effort and contest the ball from the kickoff, and had their best team game of the season.

Good consistent play out from the goalkeeper, controlled passes to the front 3, making the extra pass (and even recycling it when confronted with a defender(s)).

All the things we've been working on for weeks and weeks finally clicked ... because they proactively and consistently used and guarded the ball in possession, chased it down when they lost possession and jockeyed and won the ball back when out of possession.

Regardless of the strength of our opposition I was immensely proud of the group - play like that would see themselves stand a chance against the stronger teams in the age group.
I've told them they now have no excuses not to apply themselves every week :D

The only disappointment (and yea, first world problems) is that Adamstown again switched entire teams at half time. The first time it happened at Adamstown earlier in the season I was consulted about it before the game and agreed; however in hindsight it distracted my team too much and was not going to agree to it happening again - this weekend they didn't even talk to me (apparently an oversight?) and we found ourselves up against an entirely different team in the second 30.

The downside to this is the kids automatically divide it in their minds into two different games and connecting the threads of what we had practised and (in this case) executed is more difficult.

[Dontknowmuch]

In weekend news - my team responded to the request to put in more energy/effort and contest the ball from the kickoff, and had their best team game of the season.

Good consistent play out from the goalkeeper, controlled passes to the front 3, making the extra pass (and even recycling it when confronted with a defender(s)).

All the things we've been working on for weeks and weeks finally clicked ... because they proactively and consistently used and guarded the ball in possession, chased it down when they lost possession and jockeyed and won the ball back when out of possession.

Regardless of the strength of our opposition I was immensely proud of the group - play like that would see themselves stand a chance against the stronger teams in the age group.
I've told them they now have no excuses not to apply themselves every week :D

The only disappointment (and yea, first world problems) is that Adamstown again switched entire teams at half time. The first time it happened at Adamstown earlier in the season I was consulted about it before the game and agreed; however in hindsight it distracted my team too much and was not going to agree to it happening again - this weekend they didn't even talk to me (apparently an oversight?) and we found ourselves up against an entirely different team in the second 30.

The downside to this is the kids automatically divide it in their minds into two different games and connecting the threads of what we had practised and (in this case) executed is more difficult.

I find this hard to fathom why it would be an issue facing a different team in the 2nd 30. I'm reading between the lines but it seems the 2nd team were stronger than the 1st hence the pretty football could not be continued with the same success? Any coach worth their salt will change things at halftime if a team has been out playing them all half, surely you could use this as a good learning tool for your team and worked with them to make sure they can play what you worked on against any opposition. It sounds like you are doing a job with them, just worry about them and not what the other teams are doing. I am told all the teams will be graded next season so may stop what you experienced on the weekend.

[scowling]

I find this hard to fathom why it would be an issue facing a different team in the 2nd 30. I'm reading between the lines but it seems the 2nd team were stronger than the 1st hence the pretty football could not be continued with the same success? Any coach worth their salt will change things at halftime if a team has been out playing them all half, surely you could use this as a good learning tool for your team and worked with them to make sure they can play what you worked on against any opposition. It sounds like you are doing a job with them, just worry about them and not what the other teams are doing. I am told all the teams will be graded next season so may stop what you experienced on the weekend.

Happy to discuss it. I guess it comes down to individuals; my kids are 8 and 9. Some are extremely young for their "age". We attempt to create a solid and consistent structure so they can rely on the routine.
As it turns out we actually played better in the second half than the first - the level of the opposition has no bearing on the level of distraction it invited. I'm not completely sure of the rationale that Adamstown are using to switch over, and it may well be working for them. But we've experienced being on the other side twice now and it indeed distracts our kids.

Of course, we had to get on and not worry about it. I bring it up here purely to enable this sort of discussion. I appreciate your response.

Is there more information around the grading? Is it possible that an "A" and a "B" side from the same club could both be graded into the lower half?

[sapdad]

Is there more information around the grading? Is it possible that an "A" and a "B" side from the same club could both be graded into the lower half?
They've talked about this since day 1 of SAP.Problem is they cant do it pre-season as there is too much player movement then once the season starts its logistically all too hard to re-draw/allocate grounds.i woudnt be relying on it actually happening next year.

[Alan]

Adamstown again switched entire teams at half time. .

Hi scowling,

Thanks for the game review - fantastic insight.

Our club have not played Adamstown this season so I was not aware they changed their sides at half-time. Is this in all ages, or just the U9s? It seems a very unique approach. I personally cannot see any value in doing it, but if there are people on here with Buds connections I'd love to hear their thoughts.

Do any other clubs do this as well? I've not noticed it!

A

[Alan]

They've talked about this since day 1 of SAP.Problem is they cant do it pre-season as there is too much player movement then once the season starts its logistically all too hard to re-draw/allocate grounds.i woudnt be relying on it actually happening next year.

I think they can do it pre-season, as they do it community. It relies on the clubs being honest and thinking about their own players development. If a club's ego tells them their team should be A graded and that team gets flogged every week, they will lose players at the end of the season as no one gains from that situation.

I believe most clubs have their kids well-being at heart and would grade their teams appropriately. It just needs Northern to give the clubs the chance.

A

[Dontknowmuch]

I think they can do it pre-season, as they do it community. It relies on the clubs being honest and thinking about their own players development. If a club's ego tells them their team should be A graded and that team gets flogged every week, they will lose players at the end of the season as no one gains from that situation.

I believe most clubs have their kids well-being at heart and would grade their teams appropriately. It just needs Northern to give the clubs the chance.

A

Grading is proposed next season. Be based on results/performances this season and also in a pre-season set out games, then re-grading again 10 games into the season. I'm not completely sure but would have to be based on individual teams and I believe there would be restrictions on the A team players playing down into B team etc. I also believe U12 players can play up in U13's should injuries etc cause teams to be low on numbers.

[sapdad]

I think they can do it pre-season, as they do it community. It relies on the clubs being honest and thinking about their own players development. If a club's ego tells them their team should be A graded and that team gets flogged every week, they will lose players at the end of the season as no one gains from that situation.

I believe most clubs have their kids well-being at heart and would grade their teams appropriately. It just needs Northern to give the clubs the chance.

A
13s onward is for tables/competition/cheering scorelines and winning at all costs. SAP is supposed to be completely different to the community model.id prefer not to emphasise the haves and have nots at this age.by all means the kids know if they won or lost but the cutthroat nature of the program is already a bit ridiculous and in no way has the best interests of the kids at heart. if winning is further emphasised in my opinion it will only get worse.
let them learn to play football at these ages, then they are good enough for 13's and the silliness can take over.

[Aegon]

13s onward is for tables/competition/cheering scorelines and winning at all costs. SAP is supposed to be completely different to the community model.id prefer not to emphasise the haves and have nots at this age.by all means the kids know if they won or lost but the cutthroat nature of the program is already a bit ridiculous and in no way has the best interests of the kids at heart. if winning is further emphasised in my opinion it will only get worse.
let them learn to play football at these ages, then they are good enough for 13's and the silliness can take over.

I don't think that is the point of grading - It's an attempt to make the games more balanced and avoid one sided games.

[sapdad]

NSWF have issued a statement that the SAP Program will be a premier competition with 2 rounds of 8-10 games

just got this sent by a parent at another club.we havent been told anything about this.anyone know what it means? a proper comp with wins losses points and trophies? hilarious.

[scowling]

just got this sent by a parent at another club.we havent been told anything about this.anyone know what it means? a proper comp with wins losses points and trophies? hilarious.

I saw the same thing, interpreted it to mean they would re-allocate teams after the first 8-10 rounds? I thought this was how SAP was run (last year?) where they re-graded (kind of) halfway through?

I didn't jump to the conclusion above, I could be way off though, happy for others to chime in and correct.

[sapdad]

I saw the same thing, interpreted it to mean they would re-allocate teams after the first 8-10 rounds? I thought this was how SAP was run (last year?) where they re-graded (kind of) halfway through?

I didn't jump to the conclusion above, I could be way off though, happy for others to chime in and correct.

using 11's as the example if you take away the girls teams next year it would leave between 16-20 teams so 8-10 games x 2 works out. i was just interested because they used the word 'competition'. not sure ive ever heard the program referred as that before.

[Negative Police]

Are the 12s SAP playing for points next year?

[Reds Forever]

Has been points table in U12 for some time so guess would remain next year.

[sapdad]

Has been points table in U12 for some time so guess would remain next year.
i understand the old SAP had tables etc but this will be the first year of 'new' SAP 12's.We were originally told no points/wins/trophies etc til NPL 13's but after reading the posts today who knows.in my humble opinion it will set the program back if we adopt that attitude too early.

[samcan]

No points U12s as I have heard

[Aegon]

No points U12s as I have heard

Yet ID's will play for points.... seems very odd.

[sapdad]

Yet ID's will play for points.... seems very odd.
not odd at all in my opinion.SAP is supposed to be completely different to ID's.Its good to have 2 systems,plenty of ID kids will end up in NPL youth.if we had SAP run the same as ID's it would be pointless.reading back over the thread the argument for and against points/tables has merit on both sides.im glad that both options are available for parents and kids but feel my kid is better suited to SAP than IDs at this stage.

[scowling]

I believe it's public knowledge now that the "name" that was mentioned above that will be part of the SAP setup at NLFC is Clayton Zane.

Good on him for getting (formally) involved, I think this is a good thing for SAP at NLFC.

[Alan]

I believe it's public knowledge now that the "name" that was mentioned above that will be part of the SAP setup at NLFC is Clayton Zane.

Good on him for getting (formally) involved, I think this is a good thing for SAP at NLFC.

Yep that's the "name" I heard too!!! Great to hear that the rumour mill occasionally gets something right!! :rof:

Is it right that Clayton will be the SAP technical director?

It must be very exciting for you coaches to have someone so experienced to lean on.

[samcan]

Yet ID's will play for points.... seems very odd.

It is different.

With the comp split into 3 parts and a change of opponents throughout the season pts cant be fairly earned.

I still remember winning an under 9s grand final. Good times.

[scowling]

Yep that's the "name" I heard too!!! Great to hear that the rumour mill occasionally gets something right!! :rof:

Is it right that Clayton will be the SAP technical director?

It must be very exciting for you coaches to have someone so experienced to lean on.

Absolutely Alan, very excited. It speaks to the extra structure around SAP I mentioned earlier in the thread. We will have regular coach-only sessions and session planning, mentoring etc.

I believe his title is Head of High Performance

[Alan]

Head of High Performance

Great job title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I might speak to our TD about changing my job title :rof:

Does the role take in NEWFM Youth and WPL teams, or just SAP?

[scowling]

Great job title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I might speak to our TD about changing my job title :rof:

Does the role take in NEWFM Youth and WPL teams, or just SAP?

Pretty sure it's just SAP (both genders)

[Aegon]

I believe it's public knowledge now that the "name" that was mentioned above that will be part of the SAP setup at NLFC is Clayton Zane.

Good on him for getting (formally) involved, I think this is a good thing for SAP at NLFC.

Very interesting. I know he has had involvement with NL in the past with coaching clinics, etc.
It will be also be very interesting, watching whether he maintains his Broadmeadow Magic Football Academy association as well as his inZane football programs.

That's a heavy workload.

[Aegon]

With the comp split into 3 parts and a change of opponents throughout the season pts cant be fairly earned.

Sorry I must have missed something - What's this about splitting the comp into 3 parts?

[scowling]

Sorry I must have missed something - What's this about splitting the comp into 3 parts?

I could be wrong but I believe they are referring to the 2 "parts" of the proposed season mentioned above + pre-season games?

NLFC are thinking of it like "3 parts" : 10 week preseason + 8-10 wk season part 1 + 8-10 wk season part 2

[Aegon]

I could be wrong but I believe they are referring to the 2 "parts" of the proposed season mentioned above + pre-season games?

NLFC are thinking of it like "3 parts" : 10 week preseason + 8-10 wk season part 1 + 8-10 wk season part 2

That's a very different way at looking at it. The pre season timings vary a lot club by club.
Magic, New Lambton & Edgeworth will resume training and potentially have trial games before christmas. This is what they did last year.
Jaffa's will break completely until Week 2 of the school term (usually Early Feb).
With Season start dates usually around the start of March some clubs are doing 4 weeks pre season. Other many more.

I am concerned a little about the reduction in game time from the info you provided above.
2018/2019 - 44 x 40 minute games
2020 - 18 x 60 minute games (COVID reduced from 22)
2021 - 16 (2x8rds) x 60minute games

That in 2 years is almost a 50% reduction in playing time.

That gives the kids less time on the field trying to put their training into practice.
Also, part of justification for the high NNSWF costs for SAP was the amount of field time the kids would be consuming & regular training at the LMRFF.

Considering how many teams do not train at the LMRFF at all and how much less time they will be on the field the NNSWF fee should be commensurately reduced.

It is also significantly reducing the gap between SAP and miniroos/ID's methodology. I can see a lot of parents looking at this in the future and asking why they are paying $1000+ for SAP rather than $200-$250 with community football.

[yatobs]

Completely agree!
If a community team makes the finals, they could end up playing more minutes in a season than a SAP team!

[Negative Police]

That in 2 years is almost a 50% reduction in playing time.

That gives the kids less time on the field trying to put their training into practice.
Also, part of justification for the high NNSWF costs for SAP was the amount of field time the kids would be consuming & regular training at the LMRFF.

Considering how many teams do not train at the LMRFF at all and how much less time they will be on the field the NNSWF fee should be commensurately reduced.

It is also significantly reducing the gap between SAP and miniroos/ID's methodology. I can see a lot of parents looking at this in the future and asking why they are paying $1000+ for SAP rather than $200-$250 with community football.

Agree. Since the change its a NNSW farce. There are many community players that would walk into teams in the lower half of the comp so its not that elite.

Combine this with next to not much extra game time. Its a NNSW football rort bordering on theft for rego costs. Note that many ex community coaches are coaching in SAP.

[Negative Police]

Oh really? Where did you expect these SAP coaches to start? Sydney FC or Jets? ��*♂️

Dont be that jerk. You know that most coaches are straight out of community and arent trained fully up yet so the $1000 rego is a joke. Or cant you comprehend that?

And you still think this is a big advantage over playing in good community comps?

[Aegon]

And you still think this is a big advantage over playing in good community comps?
Yes.

Training is the key difference.

At my sons club the coaches are excellent. And the support they receive from the head of football is invaluable. Training at a community club with a parent coach does not compare in the slightest.

Whilst I may have issues with the NNSWF portion of the fees for the value they deliver, I don’t for one second question the value of every cent that Jaffa’s receive from me.

[Negative Police]

Yes.

Training is the key difference.

At my sons club the coaches are excellent. And the support they receive from the head of football is invaluable. Training at a community club with a parent coach does not compare in the slightest.

Whilst I may have issues with the NNSWF portion of the fees for the value they deliver, I don’t for one second question the value of every cent that Jaffa’s receive from me.

I guess my point is that community coaches can be and SOME are just as good as the SAP coaches up until 12. So the development "can" be as good.

The opposition still needs to be be strong though to push the players. Note that many SAP games are 1 sided blowouts in 9s and 10s that I know of.

And not enough games. Would like to see that change if 4 times the rego is to be achieved

[Aegon]

I guess my point is that community coaches can be and SOME are just as good as the SAP coaches up until 12. So the development "can" be as good.

The opposition still needs to be be strong though to push the players. Note that many SAP games are 1 sided blowouts in 9s and 10s that I know of.

And not enough games. Would like to see that change if 4 times the rego is to be achieved

I can’t disagree with any of that.

[Alan]

I guess my point is that community coaches can be and SOME are just as good as the SAP coaches up until 12. So the development "can" be as good.

Hi Negative Police (great name by the way!)

I tried to gauge the level of certification that is expected at SAP clubs on this forum some time ago. At our club we only ask that coaches have the Skill Training certificate which is what most community clubs would hope for with U9-U12 as well.

What sometimes gets lost is: 'Skills Acquisition' is a Phase, not a program, and that 'SAP' can and is coached at community level as well. 'SAP' has somehow become the buzz word for 'elite' in this region but the FFA core skills are the fundamentals whether you are at a NPL club or are coaching Shortland U9s.

If clubs running SAP expect their coaches to get C licenses for SAP and then B for youth then that is a big undertaking for those coaches. The players in those clubs would benefit hugely but I don't think many blokes coaching SAP would have the time to walk that path.

I would love to hear from the coaches on here as to what badges they have and what they and their club aspire to have. For discussion!

A

[Aegon]

Hi Negative Police (great name by the way!)

I tried to gauge the level of certification that is expected at SAP clubs on this forum some time ago. At our club we only ask that coaches have the Skill Training certificate which is what most community clubs would hope for with U9-U12 as well.

What sometimes gets lost is: 'Skills Acquisition' is a Phase, not a program, and that 'SAP' can and is coached at community level as well. 'SAP' has somehow become the buzz word for 'elite' in this region but the FFA core skills are the fundamentals whether you are at a NPL club or are coaching Shortland U9s.

If clubs running SAP expect their coaches to get C licenses for SAP and then B for youth then that is a big undertaking for those coaches. The players in those clubs would benefit hugely but I don't think many blokes coaching SAP would have the time to walk that path.

I would love to hear from the coaches on here as to what badges they have and what they and their club aspire to have. For discussion!

A

I'm not 100% positive but I seem to recall some of the NPL clubs in the past asking for C licenses, or progressing towards C licenses, for their SAP coaches.

[Aegon]

I was forwarded this by a parent from another club - It hasn't been communicated internally at Jaffa's:
1697

It's Memo 75 from NNSWF with some key information about their intentions for SAP in 2021:
Key points:
11's and 12's will be playing 9v9 on a half field (65m x 55m)
clubs are asked to enter results for all SAP matches on the Sports TG results
entry page, in the same manner as typical NPL/NL1/WPL youth fixtures. These results will not be
published by NNSWF and should not be published by clubs.
The season will be split into 3 phases
Phase 1 - Premier 5s Competition – This will be held over a 2-3 weeks at Football Fives at Lake
Macquarie Regional Football Facility, and will aim to give a number matches against teams of an
equivalent level, as well as testing against teams from a high or lower level.
Phase 2 – Regular Season Part 1 – This will be 8-10 weeks of matches against teams of an
appropriate level based on end of 2020 performance and performance in Premier 5s Competition.
Phase 3 - Regular Season Part 2 – This will be another 8-10-week period against teams of an
appropriate level based on end of 2020 performance and performance in Premier 5s Competition,
and phase 1 of the competition.
Girls will continue be permitted to play in either boys or girls’ teams in premier 9s-12s, and will be
permitted to play one year below their required age level if playing in boys competitions, with the
exception of 12 year old girls (born 2009)* who will have the option of playing in WPL 13s as well as
Premier 12s Girls, Premier 12s Boys and NPL 13s.


My personal opinion:

Grading teams based on 2020 performance is a positive step.
Grading 7v7 or 9v9 teams based on Phase 1's 5's competition results is ridiculous.
How do teams of 12-14 kids even play 5 a side and make it worth their time?
Phase 2 & 3 combined being 16-20 games is nowhere near enough game time.

[sapdad]

What sometimes gets lost is: 'Skills Acquisition' is a Phase, not a program, and that 'SAP' can and is coached at community level as well. 'SAP' has somehow become the buzz word for 'elite' in this region but the FFA core skills are the fundamentals whether you are at a NPL club or are coaching Shortland U9s.

exactly. i cringe when people refer to it as some sort of elite production line of superstar players.theres no doubt that the majority of NPL youth 13 and will come from SAP players, but there will be many many kids come from community straight into NPL youth because they are good enough.i can guarantee also that no club will refuse to pick a player who is good enough just because they werent in SAP.my kid has enjoyed SAP and its been good for him.hes also had teammates come in and out of the program and go in different directions and ive no doubt if they are still keen by 13's they will have just as much chance of an NPL spot as my kid.

[sapdad]

My personal opinion:
[LIST]
Grading teams based on 2020 performance is a positive step.


which i guess is fine for those teams staying the same.quite a few teams going to be very different in 2021 and not all for the better.

[Aegon]

which i guess is fine for those teams staying the same.quite a few teams going to be very different in 2021 and not all for the better.

Which I think is the point of splitting phase 2 & 3 to correct for these types of adjustments.

[sapdad]

Which I think is the point of splitting phase 2 & 3 to correct for these types of adjustments.
if the point of grading is to not have teams get flogged the bottom teams in each grade will get flogged for 66% of the season so why not let them cop it all year long?also, if results now 'matter' why are we having some sort of 'B' grade when winning those games wont mean anything if they cant get close to any of the teams in 'A' grade?
every year NNSW has less and less input into the program and its very quickly going from al alternative way to teach kids into NPL 10/11 and 12's.i was a big believer in the early days of it but now its quickly drifting back into the same way we've always done it.so expect the same outcomes.

[KITZ]

exactly. i cringe when people refer to it as some sort of elite production line of superstar players.theres no doubt that the majority of NPL youth 13 and will come from SAP players, but there will be many many kids come from community straight into NPL youth because they are good enough.i can guarantee also that no club will refuse to pick a player who is good enough just because they werent in SAP.my kid has enjoyed SAP and its been good for him.hes also had teammates come in and out of the program and go in different directions and ive no doubt if they are still keen by 13's they will have just as much chance of an NPL spot as my kid.

SAP is supposed to be part of the talent pathway if you bother to look at the NNSW development program. SAP in its current form however has been so diluted, that’s why people now struggle to see where it fits for development. I would say they have now made the TSP program what the old SAP was in regards to the elite pathway you are referring to.

Most of the community kids that have made it into 13s NPL are now finding they have been released for 14s from their current clubs when actually coming up against the kids that have been in the old SAP program for a season, it’s a pretty big wake up call for many of them. A lot of the parents seem to struggle with what the NPL commitment looks like when they haven’t been in a background of 2-3 nights training at the level required and some of the kids struggle to bring the discipline and commitment required.

[sapdad]

Most of the community kids that have made it into 13s NPL are now finding they have been released for 14s from their current clubs when actually coming up against the kids that have been in the old SAP program for a season, it’s a pretty big wake up call for many of them. A lot of the parents seem to struggle with what the NPL commitment looks like when they haven’t been in a background of 2-3 nights training at the level required and some of the kids struggle to bring the discipline and commitment required.

for sure this is a very valid point.making it and maintaining it are 2 very different concepts and SAP has definitely prepared the kids better for it.its been interesting to listen to a lot of old heads in and around the program talk about them not having anywhere near this level of coaching at the same ages.dont get me wrong, i am a big fan of SAP and hope it has the desired results, i just get the impression we are veering away from the original intention of the program.

[Bremsstrahlung]

I’ve asked many times in here what the purpose of this program is, because there’s so many mixed messages going on.

I perceive SAP to be an “elite” program because:
1. Only certain clubs are allowed to have teams.
2. NPL teams have SAP teams but not community teams
3. SAP advertise for coaches
4. There are trials
5. Not everyone can be picked to play SAP


I have no problem with any of it, or have any involvement in it, just an onlooker trying to keep in touch with what’s going on at junior levels.

[Negative Police]

I’ve asked many times in here what the purpose of this program is, because there’s so many mixed messages going on.

I perceive SAP to be an “elite” program because:
1. Only certain clubs are allowed to have teams.
2. NPL teams have SAP teams but not community teams
3. SAP advertise for coaches
4. There are trials
5. Not everyone can be picked to play SAP

I have no problem with any of it, or have any involvement in it, just an onlooker trying to keep in touch with what’s going on at junior levels.

Its good or the best we have atm but not elite.

It's too diluted with so many players a huge difference in ability to be elite. The Old SAP was closer to elite but Jets is what elite is supposed to be. Nearly anyone can eventually find a SAP club and then get flogged.

The first 2 yrs of Premier club SAP was good 2 x 40 min games a week. Now its just pathetic for the $$$.

The coaching and advice from TDs is quite good but nothing better than I was coaching at community. Id have 3 training sessions p/w for the preseason than 2 for rest of year in community u11s. A tiny bit of video analysis and drills from academies around the world. Kids loved it. Some went on big others still not.

[Negative Police]

I would say they have now made the TSP program what the old SAP was in regards to the elite pathway you are referring to.
.

TSP may not be on at all next year. Are there any elite coaches employed at Speers Point? And unless there are trials its a joke. Asking TDs for some kids is dodgy.

The NNSW coaches should watch the serious contenders play amongst each other.

[Aegon]

Its good or the best we have atm but not elite.

It's too diluted with so many players a huge difference in ability to be elite. The Old SAP was closer to elite but Jets is what elite is supposed to be. Nearly anyone can eventually find a SAP club and then get flogged.

The first 2 yrs of Premier club SAP was good 2 x 40 min games a week. Now its just pathetic for the $$$.

The coaching and advice from TDs is quite good but nothing better than I was coaching at community. Id have 3 training sessions p/w for the preseason than 2 for rest of year in community u11s. A tiny bit of video analysis and drills from academies around the world. Kids loved it. Some went on big others still not.

I think you’re overestimating community coaching based on your own experience.
I know parents with kids at Association Sap 12’s and club development squads that aren’t getting that level of training & Guidance.

[Negative Police]

I think you’re overestimating community coaching based on your own experience.
I know parents with kids at Association Sap 12’s and club development squads that aren’t getting that level of training & Guidance.

Yeah, ive seen coaches where they ask the kids what did they do last year and copy it. But there are quite a few who take it seriously.

Are they U12 players from the old SAP regime at SpeersPoint? disappointing if so

[Alan]

I think you’re overestimating community coaching based on your own experience.
I know parents with kids at Association Sap 12’s and club development squads that aren’t getting that level of training & Guidance.

Hi Aegon,

I don't think it is as simple as that. In my experience, unless a coach has personal ambitions to progress in the game, good coaches will often follow their children's path. If a child stays in community, most times so does the coach.

Of course, most coaches will want their child to be exposed to a supposed "higher" standard, but certainly not all. I could point you in the direction of many, many excellent coaches in Newy who have stayed in community football for the love of the game and their community club.

I don't want to upset any coaches on here, but I would also argue that badges and tickets don't make you a good coach - knowing the game, wanting to get better and knowing how to manage lots of personalities is far more important that the certificate you have, or the club where you coach.

A

[Alan]

I was forwarded this by a parent from another club - It hasn't been communicated internally at Jaffa's:
1697

It's Memo 75 from NNSWF with some key information about their intentions for SAP in 2021:
Key points:
11's and 12's will be playing 9v9 on a half field (65m x 55m)
clubs are asked to enter results for all SAP matches on the Sports TG results
entry page, in the same manner as typical NPL/NL1/WPL youth fixtures. These results will not be
published by NNSWF and should not be published by clubs.
The season will be split into 3 phases
Phase 1 - Premier 5s Competition – This will be held over a 2-3 weeks at Football Fives at Lake
Macquarie Regional Football Facility, and will aim to give a number matches against teams of an
equivalent level, as well as testing against teams from a high or lower level.
Phase 2 – Regular Season Part 1 – This will be 8-10 weeks of matches against teams of an
appropriate level based on end of 2020 performance and performance in Premier 5s Competition.
Phase 3 - Regular Season Part 2 – This will be another 8-10-week period against teams of an
appropriate level based on end of 2020 performance and performance in Premier 5s Competition,
and phase 1 of the competition.
Girls will continue be permitted to play in either boys or girls’ teams in premier 9s-12s, and will be
permitted to play one year below their required age level if playing in boys competitions, with the
exception of 12 year old girls (born 2009)* who will have the option of playing in WPL 13s as well as
Premier 12s Girls, Premier 12s Boys and NPL 13s.


My personal opinion:

Grading teams based on 2020 performance is a positive step.
Grading 7v7 or 9v9 teams based on Phase 1's 5's competition results is ridiculous.
How do teams of 12-14 kids even play 5 a side and make it worth their time?
Phase 2 & 3 combined being 16-20 games is nowhere near enough game time.


Yes this provoked A LOT of chat at our club. Our view was the same as yours wrt the Football Fives. We are more comfortable with the Phase 2 and Phase 3 as it will result in a similar amount of games to this season which has worked well for us as we are not a big club.

Our club will probably fit in the lower-middle range of teams, and if we are placed a lower graded bracket we see this as a motivation. Like a promotion/relegation opportunity - very topical with the current chat around the A League 2nd division!

A

[KITZ]

TSP may not be on at all next year. Are there any elite coaches employed at Speers Point? And unless there are trials its a joke. Asking TDs for some kids is dodgy.

The NNSW coaches should watch the serious contenders play amongst each other.

I believe its done through a joint meeting of the technical directors at the clubs and at northern. But the process I think should be better publicised to stop the misconceptions about how kids are picked, most parents either don't know, wont ask questions, or their club doesn't communicate very well about it.

Maybe for the younger ones, it might be a stretch, but if there's still a State comp for SAP, its a really good opportunity to play for points and get experience in front of crowds.

For the older boys, it feeds into nationals which helps for national selection into the joeys etc, so it's definitely something that needs to be maintained as an opportunity for our local kids, we don't need more kids from the cities represented and we miss out!

[Alan]

I believe its done through a joint meeting of the technical directors at the clubs and at northern. But the process I think should be better publicised to stop the misconceptions about how kids are picked, most parents either don't know, wont ask questions, or their club doesn't communicate very well about it.

Hi Kitz,

Our club has never had a player represented in any of these programs and I think i am right to say our TD has not been involved in discussions around who is selected or not.

Players tend to come from 3-4 of the same clubs so maybe conversations between them and Northern are more intimate so to speak!!

100% agree on better communications and more opportunities for kids from this region. We've been left behind in recent years and unfortunately I think the gap between us and Sydney is widening every year.

A

[Aegon]

Yes this provoked A LOT of chat at our club. Our view was the same as yours wrt the Football Fives. We are more comfortable with the Phase 2 and Phase 3 as it will result in a similar amount of games to this season which has worked well for us as we are not a big club.

Our club will probably fit in the lower-middle range of teams, and if we are placed a lower graded bracket we see this as a motivation. Like a promotion/relegation opportunity - very topical with the current chat around the A League 2nd division!

A

Yes the football 5's thing will ruffle a lot of feathers.
Some will love it, some will hate it.

My concern is that I don't think it is being done for altruistic reasons. The SAP fast 5's have generated next to no interest from the clubs in the past 2 years.
Does someone at NNSWF have a KPI they need to meet for SAP utilisation? Probably ties into how they justify charging the fees that they do for SAP participants.

In the 11's and 12's its pointless.
11-14 player squads can't play 5 on the pitch with 6-9 subs. It won't give you any accurate representation of how those teams or individuals will perform in a 9v9 game.

[Alan]

I was really pleased to see Kahibah having another crack at SAP next year. They are a great club and I was sorry their first go at the start didn’t come off.

Great people down there. I look forward to seeing them make it work.

A

[Negative Police]

Name change from SAP to Premier Competition. tick

[Goatscheese]

Good on ya champ!

Does NL ask coaches to have a minimum level coaching ticket for SAP? Our club requires only the Skill Training Certificate. We would of course love to have C Licensed coaches but it is such a big commitment both time and financially that I don't ever see it happening.

We are not one of the bigger clubs, so interested to know what other clubs require of their coaches?

A

The club my girlfriend's son is at has one coach in the U9 with a C-Licence and the U10 has the skill training, apparently they try to get C-Licnece but speaking to the U9 coach he says difficult to find for all grades but all coaches must have the Skill Training Certificate and then get helped by other coaches and the TD.

Know next year the U11 team will have a C-Licence Youth coach and the U9 and U10 coaches will have Skill Training. The U12 coach they have slated should they get the numbers will have Skill as well but his assistant will have C-Licence Senior (one of the senior coaches is helping him out).

[Goatscheese]

They've talked about this since day 1 of SAP.Problem is they cant do it pre-season as there is too much player movement then once the season starts its logistically all too hard to re-draw/allocate grounds.i woudnt be relying on it actually happening next year.

Apparently they want scores recorded from 9s to 12s next year though they won't be made public. Hopefully the reason they are doing it is to regrade all the teams halfway through the season so that those teams that dominate every week come up against competition and those that get smashed every week come up against competition they may be able to beat.

[Goatscheese]

The only disappointment (and yea, first world problems) is that Adamstown again switched entire teams at half time.

That's interesting, we played Adamstown and they didn't do that (maybe both teams were playing at same time at different locations).

I do know Edgy will choose their teams based on who they are playing. Was disappointing to see, we played one Edgy team and only just lost out to them (6-5 or something like that) yet played the "other team" a week or two later and saw some of the same players in the team. They for some reason sent us the weaker side and it wasn't really a challenge for our side, I know goals aren't counted but it was something like 8-1 at half time. Should just try and get teams even and keep them that way for the year.

[Captain_Carl]

That's interesting, we played Adamstown and they didn't do that (maybe both teams were playing at same time at different locations).

I do know Edgy will choose their teams based on who they are playing. Was disappointing to see, we played one Edgy team and only just lost out to them (6-5 or something like that) yet played the "other team" a week or two later and saw some of the same players in the team. They for some reason sent us the weaker side and it wasn't really a challenge for our side, I know goals aren't counted but it was something like 8-1 at half time. Should just try and get teams even and keep them that way for the year.

Hey buddy, they future of SAP is at Valentine FC. That is the club with the best supporter and the nicest trees.
Jeepers creepers yeah!

[Goatscheese]

Hey buddy, they future of SAP is at Valentine FC. That is the club with the best supporter and the nicest trees.
Jeepers creepers yeah!

Best if you keep arguments from other threads in those threads champ.

[Captain_Carl]

That's interesting, we played Adamstown and they didn't do that (maybe both teams were playing at same time at different locations).

I do know Edgy will choose their teams based on who they are playing. Was disappointing to see, we played one Edgy team and only just lost out to them (6-5 or something like that) yet played the "other team" a week or two later and saw some of the same players in the team. They for some reason sent us the weaker side and it wasn't really a challenge for our side, I know goals aren't counted but it was something like 8-1 at half time. Should just try and get teams even and keep them that way for the year.


Best if you keep arguments from other threads in those threads champ.

Do you want to meet for coffee and discuss your best route out of the quicksand? Valentine in going to appoint a new SAP TD soon that will rock the foundations of football in this entire region.

[Goatscheese]

Do you want to meet for coffee and discuss your best route out of the quicksand? Valentine in going to appoint a new SAP TD soon that will rock the foundations of football in this entire region.

Well they need it, but it isn't SAP they have the problems with.

[sapdad]

Apparently they want scores recorded from 9s to 12s next year though they won't be made public. Hopefully the reason they are doing it is to regrade all the teams halfway through the season so that those teams that dominate every week come up against competition and those that get smashed every week come up against competition they may be able to beat.
i totally understand this way of thinking.my only concern is this (and im going to use team examples here, please everyone dont bite back im trying to make a bigger point).
Ive been involved with SAP since the start so see a lot of the 11's at the moment.its clear clubs ike Olympic,Magic,Edgy and Jaffas are 4 of the stronger clubs.If you look at their 10 and 9 as well they are also well prepared.If you look at NPL 13 and up those same 4 clubs are usually in 4 of the top 5 in every grade every year.If we remove clubs like Adamstown and Lakes from having to play these 4 teams in SAP, do we make these clubs better?Do we let them beat teams every week in the B division or do we make them confront the standard bearers of the program more consistently so that by the time they get to 13's they know whats coming?I just feel like we should confront our shortcomings from the age of 9 rather than waste those years and get exposed at 13's.
now, i totally understand that for every club/coach and kid that gets motivated by getting flogged every week, you lose good kids from the game, so there is no one perfect route.id just rather kids/parents/coaches and clubs know whats expected from day 1 in under 9's rather than shield them a bit from what will inevitably hit them once all NPL clubs are graded together from 13.

[Jim]

Apparently they want scores recorded from 9s to 12s next year though they won't be made public. Hopefully the reason they are doing it is to regrade all the teams halfway through the season so that those teams that dominate every week come up against competition and those that get smashed every week come up against competition they may be able to beat.

NNSW football staff should have been looking at teams from day 1 2018 to coordinate this. There are parents and the players who can gauge and stream teams in all ages groups.

[Goatscheese]

NNSW football staff should have been looking at teams from day 1 2018 to coordinate this. There are parents and the players who can gauge and stream teams in all ages groups.

So what's the reason for taking scores put not publishing them?

[Goatscheese]

i totally understand this way of thinking.my only concern is this (and im going to use team examples here, please everyone dont bite back im trying to make a bigger point).
Ive been involved with SAP since the start so see a lot of the 11's at the moment.its clear clubs ike Olympic,Magic,Edgy and Jaffas are 4 of the stronger clubs.If you look at their 10 and 9 as well they are also well prepared.If you look at NPL 13 and up those same 4 clubs are usually in 4 of the top 5 in every grade every year.If we remove clubs like Adamstown and Lakes from having to play these 4 teams in SAP, do we make these clubs better?Do we let them beat teams every week in the B division or do we make them confront the standard bearers of the program more consistently so that by the time they get to 13's they know whats coming?I just feel like we should confront our shortcomings from the age of 9 rather than waste those years and get exposed at 13's.
now, i totally understand that for every club/coach and kid that gets motivated by getting flogged every week, you lose good kids from the game, so there is no one perfect route.id just rather kids/parents/coaches and clubs know whats expected from day 1 in under 9's rather than shield them a bit from what will inevitably hit them once all NPL clubs are graded together from 13.

If Adamstown and Lakes SAP teams are going to get flogged then put them with other teams, those players if they don't improve won't be coming up against NPL teams in 13s. The entire SAP competition is from clubs in NewFM and NPL, my girlfriend's son is in a SAP side in a NewFM team they have lost 3 games this year one to an Edgy team (by one goal), one to a Jaffas team (by 2 goals) and one to a Jets girls side. They have flogged another Edgy team, beaten a Magic side, dominated against Adamstown and Weston. Put them and other in one group and the lower teams in the other one. They will learn how to lose but also how to win and develop so when they are in 13s they will be playing in a competition suited to their ability anyway. And just because you aren't in a SAP side from an NPL team now doesn't mean you will never play NPL

[Jim]

So what's the reason for taking scores put not publishing them?

dunno. Maybe causes pissing contests all over town with artificial tables is my only guess.

[finzee]

Or maybe it’s so teams don’t get flogged by 15-20 goals. Some of you dads have no idea whatsoever and shouldn’t be on forums. Why is it a bad thing to record scores and pool the better teams together? I don’t pay $1000 rego to watch lop sides games where both teams get nothing out of it. You pool the teams into 2 groups and the better teams play each other and lesser play each other. When the better teams from lower group start getting better they come up and if there are teams in harder comp are losing often then maybe they go down. How the hell can you morons find a negative in that? Starting to think you are mums and not dads with the amount of gossip and bitching that goes on in here.

Did read the previous conversation? Instead of being an dipsh*t and not generalizing about "dads" having simple opinions youll notice that the consensus is to have the stronger teams playing against each other and thus not wasting your dole cheque. Were you dropped from a donkey at birth or did you develop simpletons disease on your own?

How about you leave so the rest of the normal people can chat about football stuff.

[The Magician]

Did read the previous conversation? Instead of being an dipsh*t and not generalizing about "dads" having simple opinions you'll notice that the consensus is to have the stronger teams playing against each other and thus not wasting your dole cheque. Were you dropped from a donkey at birth or did you develop simpletons disease on your own?

How about you leave so the rest of the normal people can chat about football stuff.

62 pages of SAP forum goodness... i'll summarise it in 5 sentences...

1. If you're getting beat by 20-30-40 goals, deal with it, don't expect mercy or compassion from your opponents, footballs don't have feelings.
2.If you're child's team, leaves the field crying because they got smashed deal with it, it's impossible to engineer a solution for "optimum development", or so that "all games are competitive", the current proposal is a step in the right direction.
3. Just let the kids have fun, no one is a striker, defender from U9's right through to first grade, all these precious parents crying about positions and formations is hilarious, support your kids to be good "footballers" and cherish any time on the park in any position.
4. Winning is development, someone has to lose and players will move clubs to join "winning teams" deal with it, just like parents move house to be in zone of "good schools", what example are you setting for your child?
5. If you have all the ideas, contact a club and coach a team. It will quite quickly become evident what a hinderance helicopter parenting can be to your child's love of the game, the club, and competition. Some of the most abhorrent behaviour I have seen from spectators/ parents is in the SAP space.

[sapdad]

Or maybe itÂ’s so teams donÂ’t get flogged by 15-20 goals. Some of you dads have no idea whatsoever and shouldnÂ’t be on forums. Why is it a bad thing to record scores and pool the better teams together? I donÂ’t pay $1000 rego to watch lop sides games where both teams get nothing out of it. You pool the teams into 2 groups and the better teams play each other and lesser play each other. When the better teams from lower group start getting better they come up and if there are teams in harder comp are losing often then maybe they go down. How the hell can you morons find a negative in that? Starting to think you are mums and not dads with the amount of gossip and bitching that goes on in here.

ok, i wont address the name calling because ive got better things to do.but i will answer your questions.

Using typical 20 teams per grade as an example ranked 1-20 on skill level/previous results etc.
Team 10 will play the best teams every week. go look at who the 10th team is in the age group you watch. How many games will they 'win' against the 9 best? In my sons age group id safely say probably 2 or 3. even if they jagged a couple of results their parents are still paying $1000 rego every year to get beat way more than they win. which is exactly the thing you complained about. Whereas team 11 probably wins the majority of games even though they are 'not as good' as team 10.
Teams 15-20 are going to get crushed every week regardless. then let alone when the time comes for them to all be pooled together in 13's. Clubs who had players in teams 11-20 are going to be way behind the level expected. All im saying is that by exposing kids to the level expected from age 9 its going to hopefully get them up to speed earlier or maybe make them reconsider whether SAP is what they want. The idea of SAP is not to bring 250 kids up to 13's and have teams realise they arent good enough. SAP is designed to get 250 kids into 13's at a level that was better than the previous generation.All ive ever said is that if they know the standard from age 9 we all have a better chance of the 13's being ready.

this is why just ranking the success of teams based on results at these ages is (imho) short sighted. , and again, there is a ranked comp for kids that age.plenty of kids from that comp will go on to play NPL youth, no one has ever said its SAP or nothing.

I can totally see the other side of this argument, i just dont happen to agree with that method, especially on the way we've been sold what the SAP program is supposed to be about. You would do well to look at things from many angles before getting on here calling people names. we all might learn something.

[finzee]

Well this reply near gave me a stroke reading that awful grammar. If a cared about offending uneducated fools like you I wouldn’t comment on here. You wouldn’t know football from ice hockey so best you leave the group.

Lol. You a bit offended. Go back and finish yr7 dullard.

[Goatscheese]

Or maybe it’s so teams don’t get flogged by 15-20 goals. Some of you dads have no idea whatsoever and shouldn’t be on forums. Why is it a bad thing to record scores and pool the better teams together? I don’t pay $1000 rego to watch lop sides games where both teams get nothing out of it. You pool the teams into 2 groups and the better teams play each other and lesser play each other. When the better teams from lower group start getting better they come up and if there are teams in harder comp are losing often then maybe they go down. How the hell can you morons find a negative in that? Starting to think you are mums and not dads with the amount of gossip and bitching that goes on in here.

Which is exactly what this "Dad" said I hope what they will be doing and why they are taking scores



Also sorry Jim, read your comment wrong when you said Northern should have been looking at teams from day 1 I thought you said Northern have been looking at team from day 1

[Jim]

Which is exactly what this "Dad" said I hope what they will be doing and why they are taking scores

Also sorry Jim, read your comment wrong when you said Northern should have been looking at teams from day 1 I thought you said Northern have been looking at team from day 1

Its ok. Most on here are just trying to improve our local football experience for the kids so that the area can be stronger and better equipped.

[Alan]

So what’s the gossip today dads/mums? Did little Robby’s team beat little Bobby’s team? Was the winner offside or onside? Did nnsw have a biased ref or was it the coaches fault for not making the right subs at the correct part of the game. Come on we need the weekend wrap I need to update my home made table.

Hi Doopche,

Perhaps you could give us a wrap on the games you saw this weekend? I think it would be far better to add some value than just present a mocking tone. It's strange because in the short while I have been coming to this page you sometimes provide useful insights, and sometimes not. I much prefer the former.

I saw bits of a few games out at the facility on Saturday. Olympic 12s were very dominant against Edgy. I caught a little of the Jaffas younger SAP teams against Edgy which looked even and a little of Magic teams against a girls team and maybe a Lakes team. magic seemed to be dominant but I didn't see enough to know scores.

As I have said on here before the Olympic 12s are very good. And no, I'm not from Olympic! but our club has played them and they are excellent. They will take some beating next year in the 13s.

A

[Aegon]

Hi Doopche,

Perhaps you could give us a wrap on the games you saw this weekend? I think it would be far better to add some value than just present a mocking tone. It's strange because in the short while I have been coming to this page you sometimes provide useful insights, and sometimes not. I much prefer the former.

I saw bits of a few games out at the facility on Saturday. Olympic 12s were very dominant against Edgy. I caught a little of the Jaffas younger SAP teams against Edgy which looked even and a little of Magic teams against a girls team and maybe a Lakes team. magic seemed to be dominant but I didn't see enough to know scores.

As I have said on here before the Olympic 12s are very good. And no, I'm not from Olympic! but our club has played them and they are excellent. They will take some beating next year in the 13s.

A

Hi Alan,

Do you mean the Olympic 11's?

[Aegon]

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[traffic light]

I’m just pulling your leg Alan, I didn’t see any games this weekend unfortunately. But if you wanted my opinion on the better teams from what I’ve seen and this is my opinion so don’t all get your panties in a knot. Edgy in 9s, Magic in 10s and Olympic in 11s are the best sides. Would I be wrong?
Best nah, good yes.
Magic 10s beaten by Edgy, draws with New L and Olympic. Jaffas beat all those others but dont play Magic due to NNSW draw. Maitland have a very good 10s.

Jaffas 11s comfy win over Olympic 11s last time at Hamo. Valo go well in 11s. Magic will be much stronger next year with some New Lambton talent going over for u12s.

There are many good teams in all the ages which is great to see.

[sapdad]

Magic will be much stronger next year with some New Lambton talent going over for u12s.


but but but teams arent allowed to offer spots until after the trials and proper process period blah blah blah. Please dont tell me proactive teams are out there building up their clubs with talented players who might like a new opportunity???shock horror!!!!

yes im being sarcastic and dont have a problem with it.I heard a couple of the kids names who going over from NL to Magic and good on them, they are real good and that NL team has played some good football in the games ive seen.they played the olympic lads well a few weeks back.Agree with whoever said the olympic kids were at the top of the tree talent wise and agree some other clubs play them really well,sometimes winning sometimes losing.best thing is there are teams out there who play football against them so it makes for a really healthy program.
ive also seen plenty of really talented kids in teams who probably dont get the results they deserve.hopefully they dont get to disheartened with results at this age,it only takes one talent scout/coach/TD on one day to see them and their situation can change in a heartbeat and you'll never now where they will end up.

[Aegon]

There are 2 sides in every age group. I didn’t mention which colour was the better side but from what I seen last year at wallarah the Jaffa’s side you speak of didn’t come close to one of the Magic sides and were played off the park. Unless they made major changes I think you’re being a tad biased. Or unless you managed to go and watch all these results you speak of. I wouldn’t listen to some of the stories being told on here. I was at edgeworth 1st game of the season and Magic hammered Edgeworth in game played before my young bloke and it was by over 10 goal margin so I don’t know who’s telling you these results. I watched it, well the 2nd half at least and they were putting some goals on them. Same with the Olympic side I’ve seen them beat some of the better sides. And an edgy 9s team I seen flog an Olympic and Magic side. I’ve got no biased I’m just going off games I’ve seen with my own eyes and not what someone has rambled off in here. Trust me I’m not far off the mark ��

Everything traffic light said I had heard exactly the same or have seen myself.

Going off last years results can be misleading, for example the better 2019 Magic 9's side last year isn't as strong as the other magic side this year. In internal games between the 2 sides the games consistently go one way.

Edgy in the 10's definitely managed a draw (6-6) and a win (7-4) in the games against Magic in August. Edgy would probably be stronger but they switch their players between the teams around quite regularly.

Maitland, similar to New Lambton have a very good team and a weak team. They have some big, fast kids who are very determined to get to the ball first when they are on their game.

Jaffa's 10's are definitely stronger this year than they were last year. It's a real shame they don't play Magic at all this year as they would be great games to watch.

[samcan]

There are 2 sides in every age group. I didnÂ’t mention which colour was the better side but from what I seen last year at wallarah the JaffaÂ’s side you speak of didnÂ’t come close to one of the Magic sides and were played off the park.


Last year lol. One of the Jaffas had a win at Magic last year so wrong again.

Maybe talk about this year. Teams are a fair bit different.

Need to get over thinking there is a big 3 at this level. Many teams are as strong as Magic now.

[Yaa Yaa]

Everything traffic light said I had heard exactly the same or have seen myself.

Going off last years results can be misleading, for example the better 2019 Magic 9's side last year isn't as strong as the other magic side this year. In internal games between the 2 sides the games consistently go one way.

Edgy in the 10's definitely managed a draw (6-6) and a win (7-4) in the games against Magic in August. Edgy would probably be stronger but they switch their players between the teams around quite regularly.

Maitland, similar to New Lambton have a very good team and a weak team. They have some big, fast kids who are very determined to get to the ball first when they are on their game.

Jaffa's 10's are definitely stronger this year than they were last year. It's a real shame they don't play Magic at all this year as they would be great games to watch.

Did you really just mention training games? 🤣 so I’m guessing your son plays for the team that wins training games 👍 I love the scores from august in brackets also 😒, I thought SAP didn’t keep scores or are you keeping a table like someone mentioned in here for yourself? Amazing some of the things I’m reading. Get over yourselves and let the kids play football. You know you guys are doing more bad then good by talking about who wins at training and which team won this and that when there are no tables? Are you the dads that yell out and coach from the stands and scream GOOOOOAL?

[sapdad]

Last year lol. One of the Jaffas had a win at Magic last year so wrong again.

Jaffas 11 this year way different to last year from what ive seen.they have a couple of seriously talented kids there.they also seem to have a lot of kids for one squad.do they normally have more than 2 on the bench?everytime ive watched there seems like a whole host of kids sitting there waiting to get on.

[sapdad]

Are you the dads that yell out and coach from the stands and scream GOOOOOAL?
Dont forget honking the car horn.Always a classic.

[cobra23]

My Dick has grown from 3 to 4 inches now.. Beat that !!!!