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outsider
13-10-2020, 02:22 PM
My Dick has grown from 3 to 4 inches now.. Beat that !!!!

did you beat it yourself to get that extra inch

Aegon
13-10-2020, 02:27 PM
Jesus Christ you need help. But thanks for my update on the scores from August, I can now update my table on my fridge. Is there a separate table for training games? Dads like you give clubs a bad name.

Insult all you like, I am friends with parents at both Edgy and Magic and we are allowed to discuss how our kids went on the weekend. It was as easy as checking my text to find out what the scores were.
Or is it just that you were contradicted that gets you on your high horse?

Yaa Yaa
13-10-2020, 02:27 PM
Jesus Christ you need help. But thanks for my update on the scores from August, I can now update my table on my fridge. Is there a separate table for training games? Dads like you give clubs a bad name.

Totally agree. Post trails and EOI and other important stuff but leave your sheep stations at home.

Aegon
13-10-2020, 02:31 PM
Did you really just mention training games? �� so I’m guessing your son plays for the team that wins training games �� I love the scores from august in brackets also ��, I thought SAP didn’t keep scores or are you keeping a table like someone mentioned in here for yourself? Amazing some of the things I’m reading. Get over yourselves and let the kids play football. You know you guys are doing more bad then good by talking about who wins at training and which team won this and that when there are no tables? Are you the dads that yell out and coach from the stands and scream GOOOOOAL?

It was an example of how the strengths of the 2 teams has changed. I've freely admitted here that my son is at Jaffa's so no vested interest in it for me.

If you want clarifications about the scores - read my answer above. I coildn't tell you how most teams go each week. I do however talk with friends who have their kids at other clubs and ask how their boys went on the weekend.

Aegon
13-10-2020, 02:43 PM
Jaffas 11 this year way different to last year from what ive seen.they have a couple of seriously talented kids there.they also seem to have a lot of kids for one squad.do they normally have more than 2 on the bench?everytime ive watched there seems like a whole host of kids sitting there waiting to get on.

There are 13 kids in their squad, so when fully fit and available they would probably have 4 subs.

Aegon
13-10-2020, 03:12 PM
ps you said it was DEFINITELY the score, how can you say that if you werenÂ’t there?

I said definitely as they were the scored given to me from the parents from both clubs.


I donÂ’t think your son plays at JaffaÂ’s at all tbh and trying to throw us off.

Your choice to believe what you want to. The fact is Jr plays in the 10's Yellow. I'll happily introduce myself if you are ever at one of their games.


But this was playing on me so I just made a call and you are trying to say that a side that has 3 TSP kids in their side and recruited another decent kid whoÂ’s as good is worse than a side that has 0?

They have 2 actually, the 3rd SDP boy in the 10's plays for the Magic under 11's. Are the other team worse? I haven't seen either team this year but last year they played very differently. All I can say is that the team with the TSP boys is not dominating the entire comp like it did last year.

If you weren't on the forum last year there was a whole conversation about them losing their only game of the year because a NNSWF asked New Lambton to play some kids down from their 10's to 9's so they could see them compete against their correct age group

Aegon
13-10-2020, 03:25 PM
Your opinion may differ because your son isnÂ’t in the 3 I mentioned

My opinion:

11's I see a bit of as their games are usually after my sons.
Olympic are probably the best squad.
Magic, Jaffa's & New Lambton are up all up there but not quite as consistently good.

10's
Magic were the best last year but I haven't seen them play this year.
Olympic, Jaffa's & New Lambton (A) are the other very strong teams.
Maitland (A), Edgeworth, Jets Girls & Azzurri are all quite good as well.

9's
No idea - I rarely see them apart from catching the end of Jaffa's 9's games at Wallarah before Jr plays.

Aegon
13-10-2020, 04:08 PM
Maybe NNSW can pool teams from same club next year and we can really see who’s got the bigger balls ��

On this last point, Some clubs were actually scheduled in the draw this year for their teams to play each other. I remember it being mentioned here but not sure who the club was. Valo in 9's maybe?
Not sure why they don't TBH.

Yaa Yaa
13-10-2020, 04:27 PM
ThatÂ’s 4 if you include that kid. They had another kid who turned down the offer to train with TSP so they picked another. I just spoke with a dad and Magic have only lost once in the 10s this year and maybe 1 or 2 draws across both teams. DonÂ’t care whoÂ’s the better team as they are a squad and thatÂ’s what I meant about Magic being the best for me in that age group. Also heard they have signed some Very strong players for next season to add to that. I donÂ’t think Magic treat it as a competition between the 2 just like Olympic donÂ’t in the 11s as they are a squad as it should be but that tells me they havenÂ’t dropped off too much. Maybe some dads being competitive vs the other team for shit stirring purposes? Maybe NNSW can pool teams from same club next year and we can really see whoÂ’s got the bigger balls 🤣

Probably not a bad idea actually. Why not play the other team From same club across the comp? Not sure what the draw was like in other age groups but ours was all over shop and we did not play some teams at all and one side would
Play the strong side but not the weaker side later in Comp etc so results were hard to judge for me this year.

sapdad
13-10-2020, 04:40 PM
If you weren't on the forum last year there was a whole conversation about them losing their only game of the year because a NNSWF asked New Lambton to play some kids down from their 10's to 9's so they could see them compete against their correct age group


Originally Posted by Doopche

Also heard they have signed some Very strong players for next season to add to that.


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traffic light
13-10-2020, 08:01 PM
Did you really just mention training games? 🤣 so I’m guessing your son plays for the team that wins training games 👍 I love the scores from august in brackets also 😒, I thought SAP didn’t keep scores or are you keeping a table like someone mentioned in here for yourself? Amazing some of the things I’m reading. Get over yourselves and let the kids play football. You know you guys are doing more bad then good by talking about who wins at training and which team won this and that when there are no tables? Are you the dads that yell out and coach from the stands and scream GOOOOOAL?

Upset that your kid isnt the best lolol. crytime. Go hard champ. cmon throw those insults.

traffic light
13-10-2020, 08:09 PM
That’s 4 if you include that kid. They had another kid who turned down the offer to train with TSP so they picked another. I just spoke with a dad and Magic have only lost once in the 10s this year and maybe 1 or 2 draws across both teams. Don’t care who’s the better team as they are a squad and that’s what I meant about Magic being the best for me in that age group. Also heard they have signed some Very strong players for next season to add to that. I don’t think Magic treat it as a competition between the 2 just like Olympic don’t in the 11s as they are a squad as it should be but that tells me they haven’t dropped off too much. Maybe some dads being competitive vs the other team for shit stirring purposes? Maybe NNSW can pool teams from same club next year and we can really see who’s got the bigger balls ��

The teams just simply arent as good as you think. The culture there is infantile and arrogant. The kids have a cry if they even draw let alone lose.

But being the dad of the false superstar you where always going to fall heavily. Just let the kids play and acknowledge that there are some good lads coming through from all areas.

Ok time for your ego rant gogogo

Retired01
14-10-2020, 10:54 AM
It surprises me that no one here has mentioned the fact that the kids are all maturing at different rates and those who were the better players previously aren't anymore. The whole reference to SDP or TSP imo is irrelevent as many kids have passed those in skill between last year and this year. Yes Olympic seem to have gotten lucky or maybe it was strategy when they first got their U11s teams ready 2 years ago in U9s and they stuck by the kids and I think they are the only Club not to grade their teams Is that true?. I have friends at Olympic and there opinion (yes people are allowed an opinion) is that the TSP kids are now just part of the pack as the other boys have grown and some struggling for various reasons.
IMO once again that is the kids growing up at various rates physically and mentally.
From watching every weekend I believe both Hamilton teams are the benchmark then magic A and Jaffas getting better every week so good on the coaching staff. Jaffas only fall away as they are not consistent as the other ones.

I was completely supportive of splitting the comp into top and bottom teams until someone on this forum put doubt in my head. If the comp is split the lower teams don't get the opportunity to see the benchmark at a young age and then there becomes a divide locally in the same age group. I think the number of clubs with SAP licenses needs to be reduced then parents who want there children in the program will look for one of those clubs. If you are willing to pay 1000 dollars for your child to play soccer you surely wont mind driving to the next suburb to train and play.

Aegon
14-10-2020, 11:03 AM
I think they are the only Club not to grade their teams Is that true?

Most clubs do not grade their squads. The ones that do as A & B teams are definitely in the minority.

traffic light
14-10-2020, 05:09 PM
ahh the salty dad is back. Still angry little billy wasn’t picked.
Do you feel good about yourself putting kids and clubs down behind your fake profile? They are 9 years old and if they have a cry so what? Is that the clubs fault that a kids personality is like that or the parents that push them too hard? I’m not going to blame my sons coach if he has a cry when he loses a game. You really have a grudge vs magic don’t you. Just let it go mate and move on, life is too short, there are plenty of other teams your son can trial for. Want me to ask our club for you? How old is little billy?

Cant you get anything right. Dont have any son playing. Your retarded jealousy is hilair.

And theres the grubby Magic culture right there.

Keep going tryhard bahaha

traffic light
14-10-2020, 05:10 PM
It surprises me that no one here has mentioned the fact that the kids are all maturing at different rates and those who were the better players previously aren't anymore. The whole reference to SDP or TSP imo is irrelevent as many kids have passed those in skill between last year and this year. Yes Olympic seem to have gotten lucky or maybe it was strategy when they first got their U11s teams ready 2 years ago in U9s and they stuck by the kids and I think they are the only Club not to grade their teams Is that true?. I have friends at Olympic and there opinion (yes people are allowed an opinion) is that the TSP kids are now just part of the pack as the other boys have grown and some struggling for various reasons.
IMO once again that is the kids growing up at various rates physically and mentally.
From watching every weekend I believe both Hamilton teams are the benchmark then magic A and Jaffas getting better every week so good on the coaching staff. Jaffas only fall away as they are not consistent as the other ones.

I was completely supportive of splitting the comp into top and bottom teams until someone on this forum put doubt in my head. If the comp is split the lower teams don't get the opportunity to see the benchmark at a young age and then there becomes a divide locally in the same age group. I think the number of clubs with SAP licenses needs to be reduced then parents who want there children in the program will look for one of those clubs. If you are willing to pay 1000 dollars for your child to play soccer you surely wont mind driving to the next suburb to train and play.

Exactly but some cant handle that their boys arent still the best so they sook and insult instead of praising good achievement.

Negative Police
14-10-2020, 09:56 PM
Do you feel good about yourself putting kids and clubs down behind your fake profile?

Fake profile? And that's your real name? Geez can you be anymore of a douche. And the club description was close to the truth. stop whining.

Back to real football.

Any more info on next years comp formats?

Negative Police
14-10-2020, 10:32 PM
Do you see me bagging kids and clubs though? I’m more interested in the NPL but came in here for a laugh at you salty dads. Also I have a tipping comp running at work for SAP so just checking the scores. Cheers dickheads ��

Proven again that your club is a cultural disgrace filled with douches like you. Your kid needs a real parent.

Again, Back to real football.

Any more info on next years comp formats?

Yaa Yaa
15-10-2020, 06:51 AM
Proven again that your club is a cultural disgrace filled with douches like you. Your kid needs a real parent.

Again, Back to real football.

Any more info on next years comp formats?

Hey I’m pretty sure you are starting to cross the line here. How about stop acting like an immature child and ease up on hammering clubs and people’s parenting. Totally uncalled for. You sound like an idiot.
If you want to be a big hero take it over to Facebook where you all can see each other’s real names and then see if you still have the balls to call out someone’s parenting skills. Don’t come on here acting all high and mighty when no one knows who you are.

Now can we get back to football and give all the other shit a rest?
Thanks

Aegon
15-10-2020, 09:10 AM
Any more info on next years comp formats?

There's a link to a NNSWF memo i shared halfway down this page:
https://www.newcastlefootball.net/forum/showthread.php?2432-2020-Premier-Club-SAP/page61

Key points:

11's and 12's will be playing 9v9 on a half field (65m x 55m)
clubs are asked to enter results for all SAP matches on the Sports TG results entry page, in the same manner as typical NPL/NL1/WPL youth fixtures. These results will not be published by NNSWF and should not be published by clubs.
The season will be split into 3 phases
Phase 1 - Premier 5s Competition – This will be held over a 2-3 weeks at Football Fives at LakeMacquarie Regional Football Facility, and will aim to give a number matches against teams of an equivalent level, as well as testing against teams from a high or lower level.
Phase 2 – Regular Season Part 1 – This will be 8-10 weeks of matches against teams of anappropriate level based on end of 2020 performance and performance in Premier 5s Competition.
Phase 3 - Regular Season Part 2 – This will be another 8-10-week period against teams of an appropriate level based on end of 2020 performance and performance in Premier 5s Competition and phase 1 of the competition.
Girls will continue be permitted to play in either boys or girls’ teams in premier 9s-12s, and will be permitted to play one year below their required age level if playing in boys competitions, with the exception of 12 year old girls (born 2009)* who will have the option of playing in WPL 13s as well as Premier 12s Girls, Premier 12s Boys and NPL 13s.

samcan
15-10-2020, 03:30 PM
Maybe your wife needs a real man?

Sorry yaa yaa but he’s carrying on a bit. I’ve tried to be civil but he’s obviously got a chip on his shoulder about something. Anyway I’ll be off now I’ve had my fun here and got what I needed ��

Really? You are a piece of trash. Which club do you represent?

I dont come here often but this grub needs more than a banning.

samcan
15-10-2020, 03:31 PM
There's a link to a NNSWF memo i shared halfway down this page:
https://www.newcastlefootball.net/forum/showthread.php?2432-2020-Premier-Club-SAP/page61

Key points:

11's and 12's will be playing 9v9 on a half field (65m x 55m)
clubs are asked to enter results for all SAP matches on the Sports TG results entry page, in the same manner as typical NPL/NL1/WPL youth fixtures. These results will not be published by NNSWF and should not be published by clubs.
The season will be split into 3 phases
Phase 1 - Premier 5s Competition – This will be held over a 2-3 weeks at Football Fives at LakeMacquarie Regional Football Facility, and will aim to give a number matches against teams of an equivalent level, as well as testing against teams from a high or lower level.
Phase 2 – Regular Season Part 1 – This will be 8-10 weeks of matches against teams of anappropriate level based on end of 2020 performance and performance in Premier 5s Competition.
Phase 3 - Regular Season Part 2 – This will be another 8-10-week period against teams of an appropriate level based on end of 2020 performance and performance in Premier 5s Competition and phase 1 of the competition.
Girls will continue be permitted to play in either boys or girls’ teams in premier 9s-12s, and will be permitted to play one year below their required age level if playing in boys competitions, with the exception of 12 year old girls (born 2009)* who will have the option of playing in WPL 13s as well as Premier 12s Girls, Premier 12s Boys and NPL 13s.


The girls might be able to start their own comp soon with the amount of teams.

Aegon
15-10-2020, 04:30 PM
The girls might be able to start their own comp soon with the amount of teams.

Girls comps are starting in 2021 apparently :thumbsup:

I'm pretty sure I have seen calls for expressions of interest from clubs already.

Negative Police
19-10-2020, 09:17 PM
Girls comps are starting in 2021 apparently :thumbsup:

I'm pretty sure I have seen calls for expressions of interest from clubs already.

I heard U10s 13s 15s 17s. Any other ages?

KITZ
20-10-2020, 09:40 AM
I heard U10s 13s 15s 17s. Any other ages?

Go and look at the EOI's that are out and stop asking other people to do the work for you.

sideline88
20-10-2020, 11:58 AM
I heard U10s 13s 15s 17s. Any other ages?

most WPL clubs have announced U10,U11 and U12 girls SAP trials now for 2021 with some good numbers showing up to a few training sessions that we've been to so far

samcan
20-10-2020, 12:47 PM
most WPL clubs have announced U10,U11 and U12 girls SAP trials now for 2021 with some good numbers showing up to a few training sessions that we've been to so far

Cheers. Unlike that KITZ knob

Negative Police
20-10-2020, 05:19 PM
Cheers. Unlike that KITZ knob

I did ask a simple question. 0 to idiot in 10 seconds.


most WPL clubs have announced U10,U11 and U12 girls SAP trials now for 2021 with some good numbers showing up to a few training sessions that we've been to so far

Sounds promising.

finzee
22-10-2020, 07:58 PM
Wallsend going to one team per age next year

Aegon
22-10-2020, 10:29 PM
Wallsend going to one team per age next year

Good move, more clubs should follow suit.

KITZ
23-10-2020, 11:24 AM
[QUOTE=Negative Police;242265]I did ask a simple question. 0 to idiot in 10 seconds.


if it was so simple why not look up the information yourself. oh that's right, you just like to make random comments without any information. Can you count to 10?

Alan
23-10-2020, 02:27 PM
OMG, this place can get very dark very quick!! I log off for a couple of weeks and all Hell breaks loose!!

Negative Police
23-10-2020, 02:34 PM
OMG, this place can get very dark very quick!! I log off for a couple of weeks and all Hell breaks loose!!

Please stay Al. We need some normal people in here.

Any news?

Alan
23-10-2020, 03:47 PM
Please stay Al. We need some normal people in here.

Any news?

Thanks Negative! I am a bit afraid to say anything through fear of people turning on me. I come in peace I promise! LOL.

The only news is that things are very busy at our club with arranging trials and seeing which kids want to come back and play for us next year. We already know a few of our players are moving on - we always appreciate the parents letting us know early - and we hope to recruit good replacements in early November. Our club don't engage with other players before the Northern window opens which obviously means we miss out on a few, but we prefer to play by the rules.

I am sure some will say that approach is foolish, but it is what it is.

The only other "news" I have is that there is a feeling at our club that girls SAP will only run is 11s and 12s, not the 10s advertised. The player pool is so small that 3 age groups appears too much. I know clubs are trialling for 10s but my guess is that any 10s teams created will be absorbed into a larger 11s group, with perhaps some stronger 11s playing with 12s.

This is not anything official before people jump on me! (I'm ducking already!!) Just an opinion on how things might play out.

A

Negative Police
23-10-2020, 07:44 PM
Thanks Negative! I am a bit afraid to say anything through fear of people turning on me. I come in peace I promise! LOL.

The only news is that things are very busy at our club with arranging trials and seeing which kids want to come back and play for us next year. We already know a few of our players are moving on - we always appreciate the parents letting us know early - and we hope to recruit good replacements in early November. Our club don't engage with other players before the Northern window opens which obviously means we miss out on a few, but we prefer to play by the rules.

I am sure some will say that approach is foolish, but it is what it is.

The only other "news" I have is that there is a feeling at our club that girls SAP will only run is 11s and 12s, not the 10s advertised. The player pool is so small that 3 age groups appears too much. I know clubs are trialling for 10s but my guess is that any 10s teams created will be absorbed into a larger 11s group, with perhaps some stronger 11s playing with 12s.

This is not anything official before people jump on me! (I'm ducking already!!) Just an opinion on how things might play out.
le teams
A

Interesting.
So will this mean that therell be no girls teams in the boys comps for next year? There may not be HV, macq and newcastle girls teams like this year?

Aegon
23-10-2020, 08:46 PM
Interesting.
So will this mean that therell be no girls teams in the boys comps for next year? There may not be HV, macq and newcastle girls teams like this year?

Definitely no more association teams, I’m pretty sure someone here with a daughter at Macquarie said the girls in the team had been told to look for clubs next year.

Alan
23-10-2020, 09:11 PM
Definitely no more association teams, I’m pretty sure someone here with a daughter at Macquarie said the girls in the team had been told to look for clubs next year.

You are correct Aegon. The Jets, Newy, Mac and HV girls SAP programs are no more from next season. Licences have been granted to current WPL clubs.

So there are seperate boys and girls comps next season. Our club has girls playing in our current sap teams and we would love them to stay. There are no restrictions on girls playing boys SAP.

A

sideline88
26-10-2020, 11:17 AM
The only other "news" I have is that there is a feeling at our club that girls SAP will only run is 11s and 12s, not the 10s advertised. The player pool is so small that 3 age groups appears too much. I know clubs are trialling for 10s but my guess is that any 10s teams created will be absorbed into a larger 11s group, with perhaps some stronger 11s playing with 12s.

A

Alan,

i think dropping the 10s and compiling as you've suggested may occur at your club would be a smart idea.

we've attended a few sessions now at 4 different clubs looking to run teams in the girls program next season and whilst the numbers attending seem very promising there are a lot of the same girls coming to sessions across multiple clubs, it will be interesting how all the numbers settle once trials are complete and players have accepted positions at each club.

samcan
26-10-2020, 12:26 PM
Alan,

i think dropping the 10s and compiling as you've suggested may occur at your club would be a smart idea.

we've attended a few sessions now at 4 different clubs looking to run teams in the girls program next season and whilst the numbers attending seem very promising there are a lot of the same girls coming to sessions across multiple clubs, it will be interesting how all the numbers settle once trials are complete and players have accepted positions at each club.

Once it gets going it will feed itself. Active recruitment will be paramount to build interest and culture.

Alan
26-10-2020, 12:35 PM
Alan,

i think dropping the 10s and compiling as you've suggested may occur at your club would be a smart idea.

we've attended a few sessions now at 4 different clubs looking to run teams in the girls program next season and whilst the numbers attending seem very promising there are a lot of the same girls coming to sessions across multiple clubs, it will be interesting how all the numbers settle once trials are complete and players have accepted positions at each club.

My apologies Sideline - I think I've accidentally misled you. Our club won't run girls SAP but I had heard similar accounts of the same girls attending various open training sessions, so believe that a compressed competition might be the best option.

I know the girls in our SAP teams are looking at the girls comp and I can understand this. It's really hard being the only girl in a boys team. I just hope girls SAP is not just a flash in the pan and that Northern help clubs to make it a success.

A

KITZ
26-10-2020, 04:19 PM
My apologies Sideline - I think I've accidentally misled you. Our club won't run girls SAP but I had heard similar accounts of the same girls attending various open training sessions, so believe that a compressed competition might be the best option.

I know the girls in our SAP teams are looking at the girls comp and I can understand this. It's really hard being the only girl in a boys team. I just hope girls SAP is not just a flash in the pan and that Northern help clubs to make it a success.

A

fingers crossed, the girls deserve it. my fear is with all the boys premier teams now they are going to struggle to get the right coaches. Theres some really great girls in our area, and some playing NPL up north.

late_to_the_game
26-10-2020, 06:54 PM
I can only speak for Merewether, but I sense all the WPL clubs are keen to get SAP up and running.
The sooner we can get the girls up to the level we are aiming for (need) for entering the 13's the better.
The SAP 12's will also be able to fill in for the WPL 13's which solves a problem we have had since the expansion of the comp.
As a result of this we will be having our 12 SAP girls regularly do sessions with our 13's.
As far as 3 teams go, I suspect the 10's might be a bit of a struggle, but I think we will field a team, just not sure of the (starting) standard of the players.

Our coaching structure will be a C licensed TD to oversee the SAP coaches, who will mostly be players from our senior squad. We have 6 who have put their hand up to be involved, some with several years coaching experience. This gives us a chance to develop the coaches as well.

Oh, and our trials are on this Saturday. Check out our Facebook page or web site www.mufc.asn.au ;-)

Alan
27-10-2020, 12:49 PM
Our coaching structure will be a C licensed TD to oversee the SAP coaches, who will mostly be players from our senior squad. We have 6 who have put their hand up to be involved, some with several years coaching experience. This gives us a chance to develop the coaches as well.

How good is this! Fabulous to hear the senior squad are taking up the mantle of coaching the next generation. Merewether have always treated the women's game with the utmost respect in this region and anyone wanting to have female relatives play SAP next year will not go wrong looking at them.

Great sales pitch late_to_the-game!!

A

Goatscheese
27-10-2020, 04:03 PM
Check out our Facebook page or web site www.mufc.asn.au ;-)

Nice website,

Good to see you have secured the coaching services of Sven Weiss from The Raptors http://www.mufc.asn.au/staff/sven-weiss/

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:08 PM
South Cardiff SAP

South Cardiff FC are currently taking expressions of interest from players for the 2021 season for all grades from the SAP 9s all the way up to our U18s. At South Cardiff we pride ourselves on our philosophy of youth development and our high quality set up throughout the club. This professional program empowers players to develop not only into good footballers but great people off the pitch, allowing youth to perform to the best of their ability both on the field and in life. So, if you are interested in joining our great club or remaining a part of our family for 2020 please fill out the form linked below!
We have finalised a few all of our dates for trials which will take place at Ulinga these can be seen below!
Premier SAP U9
Sunday 15th November 9am-10:30am
Premier SAP U10
Sunday 15th November 10:30am - 12pm
Premier SAP U11
Sunday 15th November 12pm-1:30pm
Premier SAP U12
Sunday 15th November 12pm-1:30pm

online form (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fform.jotform.com%2F201812649 301044%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2NUBx4J6K-3TIj9ScBbbhk2J9pOnBmz7V3vB-oykFgCbe8Wz9IdoNj4Y4&h=AT2MVx-CEnQTUVg4AjxDIeG7tTAOXc6cTz7Pt60gcBV5-5KhvTporSqWRYTLxlxwTNl8SocGLmmQoC-W4JLTAZMQkiNRRF6yD0pnoVnHNBIDh-9EYNbZ4xK0PrNI7yf40w&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT0N6i8CI7G6n50UPDAxkbtq0KqnEYV9VJ97yilgNg1jZIDYw BrSBKN-FFZoeCC-_ZNtcjKMLdWJxJxfo62KAsN3_RmSenCaHCbTVvLpLLDP2SLEX8 2EwG7Szb7x1iinLBpfkz3kZAGM8oevI_wIzgPSvgzJ2WTnWGXk jZWap-zui_eKOkOKqGUQErMTkXn1VP7htDMICIdjAg)

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:11 PM
Merewether United girls SAP

Saturday 31st Arthur Edden Oval (times to come)
SAP Introductory sessions 6pm at Myamblah Oval:
Thursday 15th, 22nd and 29th
Monday 19th and 26th.
Come and have a run with us to see what it is all about. Bring your questions.
We are looking for girls who love to play soccer. ⚽️⚽️
Any girls aged 7-11 this year will be eligible.
If you have questions contact
Scott Ellis 0412 988408, scott.ellis@novatex.com.au

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:15 PM
Adamstown Rosebud Girls SAP

Trial dates
Saturday 31st October at Adamstown Oval
10s and 12 Girls- 3.00 arrival for 3.30-4.45pm
11s and 13 Girls- 4.30 arrival for 5.00-6.15pm
15/17 girls- 1.45 arrival for 2.00-3.15pm (only non current Adamstown WPL players will be at this trial. If you played for Buds WPL this season you DO NOT need to attend)
Make sure you get in your expression of interest ASAP!

Online Form (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fforms%2Fd% 2F1f-lys1CjxhFrmVivGIDDRLkFySHghEb2dQa-bq7ILdY%2Fedit%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2EXj9tCxe66JryeJZvNG RIRsqeNAUHlMsKVrdtA3sPJLEHNcmEP8Q8gYE&h=AT0gH4dcp0Vag1PwFM0l3C_B7WRJz-oRi3LAfg-CrczXcT6K4MrEbC2VjpI5ZIy3w7CObywtd282uOq2XEjEIXw2z 2URIISvNFHUBv-mqjHGAjap9NbhtQRCHz4qX9wYBg&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT1RIxfJBnovccAZ36HNXpwavDtXD_GlaJkLrYmBzWN6bDclF ZeAOngt-Lm740kiCLya7oyQywztguRxQaUR-0PgSjjBFXegKMPYJolKB2Qy8NLuEwluonOMTaU2p8-fh_JlrPwf-o9-g1W7fLb0OWTi2p4iU3za9L5q6JCGCRsSNRRn8Xdi6McIzAf-KMqzDqhPH6fAop47E6TG3bf99gXG_w)

Our Technical Director will contact you once we have received the EOI.

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:18 PM
Charlestown Azzurri SAP

Charlestown Azzurri are currently taking Expressions of Interest for the 2021 Skills Acquisition Program (SAP)
Age groups include;
SAP Under 9, 10, 11 and 12 Years
All current Charlestown Azzurri players MUST register their expressions of interest to partake in the 2021 program
We are also taking EOI for a Goal Keepers to partake in our U/11
SAP teams for 2021 and beyond.
Would consider players born in 2011
The goalkeeper is arguably the most important position on the field.
The nature of the position requires agility, speed, athleticism, confidence, bravery and good communication skills.
Do you want to have some individual sessions to enhance your skills by our first grade Keeper - Nate Archbold
Nate Archbold : 2019 NNSW NPL Goal Keeper of the year.
Do you have what it takes?

To register an expression of interest for 2021 SAP program please email :
CharlestownAzzurri.Sap@gmail.com
Please include :
Name :
Date Of Birth :
Age Group :
Current Club :
Playing History :
Parent Contact Details :

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:22 PM
Edgeworth SAP

Players interested in trialing for the 2021 Skills Acquisition Program (SAP) with Edgeworth Eagles Football Club (EEFC) are encouraged to register their details by completing the following form.
Trial dates will be advised via email and on the Edgeworth Eagles Football Club Facebook Page.
EEFC Coaching Staff are interested in attending matches over the coming weeks to observe those who apply.

Online Form (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fforms%2Fd% 2Fe%2F1FAIpQLSd_oIoNzMFO8PPYTO9HDPyfwdGKLJ5QuGEAUz rr-vwZNSj7-w%2Fviewform%3Fvc%3D0%26c%3D0%26w%3D1%26usp%3Dmail _form_link%26fbclid%3DIwAR1AMAhq_355MT7er-C3Xc6YpXpBST-fPKUqL81frkJXuFjWe4NSW4e0YzQ&h=AT0vziQBq4yC6dffF5O0nrh3fHil4ODKx10C2mf1Qsls-Ifq3Vs3crV8QU5wVxxhCQaMIiDggf9hkuJ6D1sJFkAO4BwxXJp ZfHJXQZMrS7zukPaD-D0Cp0hwYmnwsZLuJQ&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2QsqSLL1cW4PFKFX7nl-jrN2sAhMeMJoCz5o8R9qUU8w9GShqQL0Nu9NEUoHdOnRY6G2jD KgffSiUdyvSF872-1fQOAx7huv3OBqb6JyztDf8ILkRg9xKAO_PtSYpyAMWtulRgbL JQDw1KYiF8oli2q2k2l9DpHc81RYJsRqUqnBR3D-RWqZLzWu-glu0qQzrN6ALpEZycRf0-wkOESZc)

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:25 PM
Lake Macquarie City FC SAP

Lake Macquarie City FC SAP and YOUTH trials 2021 season🚨 Expressions of interest are now open for all players who would like to trial for positions with Lake Macquarie City FC for the 2021 SAP and YOUTH NPL season. All interested players are requested to complete the form below.

Online Form (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2F v2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__forms.gle_85gceHHKx5Yf1qaB9%26d%3DDwMFAg%26c%3 D2fx3bQTr-tsz0S9yH51noA%26r%3DZkdNP9czea5_jS1dCLctMTJjWa6EsA ld-vK3r5xXmFo%26m%3D7tYK4uBQqp0l1ZmQCi5mmNeFhuhM4Q7Yp MAlQdtGwFE%26s%3DwuoNNCyM-oOXpUDRzRrNDOkU3_f1GTKH65kSj3slEGo%26e%3D%26fbclid %3DIwAR3-0HRWnn11BlpILlIo_EqaMqa0L40bF5n1ELRa9j8fXsIXM4lbSj Fbjb8&h=AT2J9kQTMY-nJm8lx_YdUKSGXJnW_-D9p27hWDJLi9UcgqO1GMDoe-2zJ8rx4OpQVtaFHT4pjCKqNnOuMvL_dtLIlifD18jVv6ihu3rF 5TlMxjBV17YN4ztPidNLfTrSQA&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3WEJdakehIt1Fly8tt3Y7P4dTxQ6PpztNRZZ2C08NPDUaJy IWoxGfhB5_p9KQDiQ_GLmiQ04THBeCWAl_VGxIl3uaJv1F4mpD 4dVRdtW4_VhBrOsXlZ2pKI3iVEkLrqyvxnVhl5h6sYrs6r6b2u GhRGYxWa5ODq_NFLNFQcZLrZHJCOjZ2aYR5FykqlJtYNWC4OH_ MbSChST-MSArOtQ457w)

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:28 PM
Maitland FC SAP

Maitland FC is now inviting Expressions of Interest for our SAP, Youth and Senior NPL teams for 2021.
Please follow the link below to register your interest:
www.maitlandfc.com.au/2021-expression-of-interest

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:31 PM
Singleton SAP

T R I A L S - U9'S - U18'S
Our first grade team has had a phenomenal season, they're currently sitting 2nd on the ladder with great potential to be 2020 premiers!
To keep our momentum as a club going we need youth players to work through the SAP and premier youth league. It's not about your skills and fitness, we can teach you all that. We're after dedicated kids with a great can do attitude who are keen to improve their skills, and have some great grit and persistence.
Skills Acquisition Program (SAP) U9 - U12
If you're u9-u12 come and trial for our SAP (skills acquisition program.

Sign up
www.singletonstrikers.com.au/play-football/trials/

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:33 PM
Valentine FC SAP

Valentine FC are now taking expressions of interest from players to participate in our SAP (Skill Acquisition Program) for season 2021. Please register your details in the form below.

Online Form (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fforms.gle%2Fy2ZeZF32c4JggxXy 6%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0SUb7btN64hTzKHXkUro4FXT_czkQfmlq 9tRxBztFYFjEKUb3sMYmHAp8&h=AT0VQhc4YRv_7nyyBiAOGK3i2DB7jd_p_ZDVsM2zW2sbWwvs E4O6eADXPDXbqff3WjGf31olCce8OYO5QBiH5gtSGf8JRRK4HK WkYGwut48R8II9LdqlW5CsHywCJtDTFA&__tn__=%2CmH-R&c[0]=AT2aChmtmgehQTr_Q79W6v5jwD9Yi898xkc9K9CAQyRMFfS72 2EMajZhJPScG22mQn4ZbB_fjD5bH1szjJrK6ryrFhL48DS47Nt 3H7d_Wv-GZMavqxaMzsuBjpdWt--HcFMoVbFoiC-zvsA-0zd3Ptv95-DpQdQAmADBifVtrxhF0beUTLPInhLnKzFd8Qx3ajKmzdcurGJo rqsWvuEqhtPrBg)

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:34 PM
Wallsend FC SAP

Wallsend FC invites all current and potential new players to express their interest in trialling for our 2021 Premier SAP & NEWFM Northern League One Squads.
The Red Devils are proudly the oldest Premier Football club in Northern NSW. We have a strong 133 year tradition of developing outstanding footballers and are a club focused on youth development.
If you are interested in trialling for a position within our 2021 squads, please note trial information below:
All trials will be held at The Gardens (104 Sandgate Road, Birmingham Gardens) unless advised otherwise.
Sunday 8th November 2020
u/9 9am
u/10 10am
u/11 11am
u/12 12pm

Further trial dates will be released in the coming weeks

Online Form (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fforms%2Fd% 2Fe%2F1FAIpQLScLM8CqY0Z7Z4Sh-ejvy1TAE6ZCPNoXgErCNX2LWgkqt-qpFg%2Fviewform%3Fusp%3Dsf_link%26fbclid%3DIwAR2KP zcCdlpFsyM0GyZS9Xc_FeST7xzv_9KVr0LCOcr0atUQVuYzFTE fErc&h=AT33TEzgJbJGF-ieZhZ0f1OYk8NG3727d0cscRy5cNRTiDJ96sBQ4gGPObmELz6h r0lz70wk2Tb5vBvUhm-ou_UJkOHPKbxbXM2QGhL3K47UlsPat9-IiNNzOLgs3PrAdQ&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1TEvfSz9dgUJJGrjLZGwf7OXp-fb6vcPddIg9Rr3P6_ZllPM5hEfCEQjZWmCEFdvLx4wwxAIMKLy y4DJ1t_YbVmtT3PDsyVZGYa1W2WNKR3lv5OKG34SVkT7hK6812 VJzSRATE6FyCs2JtvaE3kl4fHCSxmK6AfNoVI0yskdjK6sNMyx Q_k4-kqQIUXXOQaOrhgJAR9vmhXhrFSu4DxC0)

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:36 PM
Weston SAP

The Weston Workers Bears Football Club 'Skill Acquisition Program' (SAP) is a key component of Football Federation Australia’s National Curriculum.
Invitations to trial and be part of the Bears SAP program in 2021 in the 9s, 10s, 11s and 12s age groups are now open.

Online Form (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F2QmNco5%3Ffbclid%3D IwAR3-0HRWnn11BlpILlIo_EqaMqa0L40bF5n1ELRa9j8fXsIXM4lbSj Fbjb8&h=AT3K-8eRwXkl0ADhb9YGJnA5kMlQXiBhraQtPQto82wt2FXKg2TRV86 zgQsabPUr2jEjGacT8LlPMVbiPCTEzzYph4FOu4UbODIAu584D vizf1umf_5j81_AJ7_4ZNFSsQ&__tn__=%2CmH-R&c[0]=AT29E6hbOibLj6ySzcNOuypNLKZrbaHtuwKNz2Nk48mChfYEd IteWBUM9PEKuaa7IVEIHqYfZouJYcl222PazsN1paxdCkM87o2 xqBqGmdJwDCDO3oR5z73j36qHyPoOcADJAbkgdU59BhM2YxbZk MVAystTCtgL7RfyR5FULPxeApsS1nL98VnzvOa1RMZ7w1t5BUP 4--NOft8vZpGvEaU)

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:37 PM
Cooks Hills SAP

Cooks Hills United FC is seeking players to join the Cookers football family in the 2021 NNSWF Premier Club SAP Competition.
CHUFC will be looking for players in each SAP age group (9s, 10s, 11s & 12s) to join the best SAP Development Program in Northern League One.
To submit an EOI👇

Online Form (https://forms.gle/tHf5JFQZqMeYmfLKA)

For more information
📧 cookshillfc@gmail.com

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:39 PM
West Wallsend SAP

West Wallsend SFC invites interested Boys and Girls born between 2009 - 2013 to express their interest in trialling for our SAP Program for 2021.
Trial dates/times are TBC.

Online Form (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fforms%2Fd% 2Fe%2F1FAIpQLSewwLqO-bTsS6y8rF62Bgq8zsaveuehOv-Z77f0in8Ae_IsqA%2Fviewform%3Fusp%3Dsf_link%26fbcli d%3DIwAR1utYV4lOfkRhdRGPMGHBpFs2JUmkHRRytsY7hmOPH9 3ehO0UMkuZ0FsLc&h=AT3d7w8USkmv4JqlKhGfL_ysspxYnYuHefeCZLeybh6cajor ER9KqZ14xv12F9X4hstU2rwLUfMdfolQfPSYnDV2nsxy685JWc JsCStM02b3ysjlP9eC282mZun30i4p3Q&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1Hl5-sQYcRBa3vmaeu5W48hSPcuaEHxfeEeV2z94QqzFuvFkJrHn2mG dq_Ft0CRhQLeVu64QtmaPlf_qjF2YnH6zCrKkEmHuhoMFT_DVO C_cgUji4DzygTVEfcqQnbE41I34TbA5tWNXAQGRd4yoq9nzYRh 8aqu6zzXiwtaSw2B-3RyhJGMIvWvqw6uea_H2sqqgFARXRsdbce8krgvDyPjw)

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:41 PM
Warners Bay Girls SAP

Trial Schedule: November 1st
10am - 11am: Girls SAP teams 10s 11s and 12s (arrive 9.30am)
11.30am - 12.30pm: WPL 13s (arrive 11am)
1pm - 2pm: WPL 15s (arrive 12.30pm)
2.30pm - 3.30pm: WPL 17s (arrive 2pm)
4pm - 5pm: WPL Seniors (arrive 3.30pm)​

People can still register their interest right up until the trials.
EOIs and further enquiries to
Craig Atkins - Head Coach
craigja4@hotmail.com

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:43 PM
Newcastle Olympic Boys & Girls SAP

EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST

Newcastle Olympic FC will be taking Expressions of Interest (EOI) for the upcoming 2021 season. Age groups where expressions of interest will be taken by Newcastle Olympic are:
Boys SAP – U9, U10, U11, U12
Girls SAP – U11, U12

To register interest in being part of the NOFC program or continue to be part of the NOFC family, complete the form below.

Online Form (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnofc.com.au%2Fteam-trials-2020%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2H16bcYvQPAi00xOxqg_QMzpJYV aTUg-SfrPldpaeeD7DLhDkyYd4ZCQY&h=AT0W5fPYco4FMKqRJkkcH9r6_qHUdvNPQ-Rc3JwRNOpAK0WE_tTppYai02kml-efRXLgwPVeFn2lqXh0I2tTFqy4IMq9z8DCc_4_JZfLiD_j_o5I usLXNv-Pg9PcBKRfNg&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT23z_prnwmgHLVoq0vSZ-kO_2914c5fNepkm8gk6ekAZbjdKLaliyjVMeafvP2-mwKlWzpZLvgdADfsGuX35Xn5m-0kAe4SizNRSftSfxUFRxb4g9b-kDMqZbpqg0RC_I-Ttq3VL21XBJSZx2EYf4iKdH4A-NeRTn3Tdh6vsK3Kt-VmQj6Zt584wDrY8lqqLVKuOOGngubDXypl_F7YQJ4pcxmkkQfp Xa0)

Aegon
30-10-2020, 01:45 PM
Hopefully I haven't missed any clubs with current or future EOI's and trials out there.

samcan
02-11-2020, 04:09 PM
Free kicks for 9 & 10s are indirect only.

Does the ball have to be touched to shoot or can the kicker drive it into the wall for deflection and still score?

sapdad
02-11-2020, 04:14 PM
Free kicks for 9 & 10s are indirect only.

Does the ball have to be touched to shoot or can the kicker drive it into the wall for deflection and still score?

Same rule as the grown ups.Just needs a touch before crossing the line from a player other than the taker.

YewYew
09-11-2020, 10:58 PM
Any1 no whats going on at New Lambton? Heard today they lost 8-9 players from there SAP 10 and 11 to Magic and Olympic. also told they have signed a lot of community kids to replace them.

Johnno
09-11-2020, 11:47 PM
Any1 no whats going on at New Lambton? Heard today they lost 8-9 players from there SAP 10 and 11 to Magic and Olympic. also told they have signed a lot of community kids to replace them.

Signed!!!! Don’t think 8-9 year olds sign to ply at a club.

Goatscheese
10-11-2020, 12:11 AM
Signed!!!! Don’t think 8-9 year olds sign to ply at a club.

Don't be silly of course there are letters of offer that need to be signed.

Goatscheese
10-11-2020, 12:13 AM
Any1 no whats going on at New Lambton? Heard today they lost 8-9 players from there SAP 10 and 11 to Magic and Olympic. also told they have signed a lot of community kids to replace them.

I know they have picked up kids from other SAP teams to replace these ones, not sure the community/SAP ratio (not that it matters a kid who has done U9 community and not SAP means **** all in terms of ability)

sapdad
10-11-2020, 01:02 AM
Any1 no whats going on at New Lambton? Heard today they lost 8-9 players from there SAP 10 and 11 to Magic and Olympic. also told they have signed a lot of community kids to replace them.

Posted about this months ago then was ridiculed by a couple of 'in the know' people on this forum.NL seem to be happy with everything though so its no big deal i suppose.did get told they were telling the kids NL will be in NPL in 2022 so theres a newsflash for us all.got told 12s are going to be one team of the remaining players from last year.some other clubs are getting some really good kids for next year.

Aegon
10-11-2020, 02:43 PM
Any1 no whats going on at New Lambton? Heard today they lost 8-9 players from there SAP 10 and 11 to Magic and Olympic. also told they have signed a lot of community kids to replace them.

I haven't heard of there being any problems per se.

New Lambton seem to be a well run club with aspirations of moving to NPL. The issue is the lack of clarity of whether that is even possible to do -

Lack of guidance (or any information at all really) on promotion and relegation from NNSWF leads parents and players to look elsewhere.

I know one of the boys moving in the 10's from NL to Olympic is doing so in order to give himself 2 years there prior to 13's NPL selection.

Aegon
10-11-2020, 02:47 PM
I know they have picked up kids from other SAP teams to replace these ones, not sure the community/SAP ratio (not that it matters a kid who has done U9 community and not SAP means **** all in terms of ability)

My opinion definitely differs here.

I'd say there is a fair gap in terms of ability after 2-3 years of SAP in the majority of cases.

There is still the same level of potential but it will just take some extra time to get to that level.

Aegon
10-11-2020, 02:48 PM
Signed!!!! Don’t think 8-9 year olds sign to ply at a club.

Sign..... Probably not.

A parent sending an email letter of acceptance is probably the gist of what happens.

Negative Police
10-11-2020, 04:50 PM
Magic will be much stronger next year with some New Lambton talent going over for u12s.
There are many good teams in all the ages which is great to see.


but but but teams arent allowed to offer spots until after the trials and proper process period blah blah blah. Please dont tell me proactive teams are out there building up their clubs with talented players who might like a new opportunity???shock horror!!!!
I heard a couple of the kids names who going over from NL to Magic and good on them, they are real good.

Yes, this happened more than a month ago.
New Lambton has a strong junior system. Not saying its stuffed the club but the players that are leaving are top notch in 11s this year. They had one excellent 10s who lost one game and soon after that decisions were being made to disband. I guess it's just a reminder that clubs dont often grow their own juniors for all sorts of reasons. What happens to those at Magic and NOFC? sorry new lambton had better players but now we do.

sapdad
10-11-2020, 05:26 PM
Yes, this happened more than a month ago.
New Lambton has a strong junior system. Not saying its stuffed the club but the players that are leaving are top notch in 11s this year. They had one excellent 10s who lost one game and soon after that decisions were being made to disband. I guess it's just a reminder that clubs dont often grow their own juniors for all sorts of reasons. What happens to those at Magic and NOFC? sorry new lambton had better players but now we do.

after speaking to multiple parents involved in this they are way more angry at the way the club behaved than the players.from my understanding that 11's team were keen to all stay together for 12's then go their seperate ways for those that wanted NPL.the decision to change things was instigated by the club.

Jim
10-11-2020, 06:27 PM
Best nah, good yes.
Magic 10s beaten by Edgy, draws with New L and Olympic. Jaffas beat all those others but dont play Magic due to NNSW draw. Maitland have a very good 10s.

Jaffas 11s comfy win over Olympic 11s last time at Hamo. Valo go well in 11s. Magic will be much stronger next year with some New Lambton talent going over for u12s.

There are many good teams in all the ages which is great to see.


after speaking to multiple parents involved in this they are way more angry at the way the club behaved than the players.from my understanding that 11's team were keen to all stay together for 12's then go their seperate ways for those that wanted NPL.the decision to change things was instigated by the club.

ouch. Sometimes TD and coaches mean that players prefer to leave. Not the only club either. They must have their reasons I guess.

But thinking about it. Having 12s under the noses of those 2 clubs may give them a better chance in 13s. Always same 2 clubs though.
Its as if all other clubs are "that'll do for now" destinations.

Is there any junior who doesnt want to end up at Magic or Olympic?

Aegon
10-11-2020, 09:00 PM
Yes, this happened more than a month ago.
New Lambton has a strong junior system. Not saying its stuffed the club but the players that are leaving are top notch in 11s this year. They had one excellent 10s who lost one game and soon after that decisions were being made to disband. I guess it's just a reminder that clubs dont often grow their own juniors for all sorts of reasons. What happens to those at Magic and NOFC? sorry new lambton had better players but now we do.

Are you saying the club made the decision to break up the 10’s and 11’s A teams at the club? Not sure I understand the logic at all.

Negative Police
10-11-2020, 09:43 PM
Are you saying the club made the decision to break up the 10’s and 11’s A teams at the club? Not sure I understand the logic at all.

Didnt attempt to give any reasons. Not sure what planet you're coming from. I have heard the girl in one A team wasnt up to it and they were right.

Just mentioned it is true they are going and in the end Olympic and Magic will beat NL and not care they took their best players. No foul play on

Aegon
10-11-2020, 10:01 PM
Didnt attempt to give any reasons. Not sure what planet you're coming from. I have heard the girl in one A team wasnt up to it and they were right.

Just mentioned it is true they are going and in the end Olympic and Magic will beat NL and not care they took their best players. No foul play on

Sorry - I thought when you said the decision was made to disband that it came from the club. I may have read too much into what was said in yours and another post.

I take it that it was a parent led decision to break the team up then?

sapdad
10-11-2020, 10:10 PM
I take it that it was a parent led decision to break the team up then?

no.

Aegon
10-11-2020, 10:13 PM
no.

Now I’m well confused....

Barry Dawson
10-11-2020, 10:19 PM
You may find it was the former, rather than the latter.
It’s par for the course unfortunately.

howardyou
10-11-2020, 10:28 PM
I haven't heard of there being any problems per se.

New Lambton seem to be a well run club with aspirations of moving to NPL. The issue is the lack of clarity of whether that is even possible to do -

Lack of guidance (or any information at all really) on promotion and relegation from NNSWF leads parents and players to look elsewhere.

I know one of the boys moving in the 10's from NL to Olympic is doing so in order to give himself 2 years there prior to 13's NPL selection.

I've been involved with New Lambton SAP over the past couple of years, and can say that you absolutely correct. NL are losing a few players from each 10s and 11s squads this year to NPL clubs and it's for the future NPL selection reason alone. It is really tough on the club to lose their talent due to competition administration issues, but with grounds locked up for single club use only, and the high standard of facility required in NPL, it will potentially be the case for the foreseeable future in my opinion.

In saying that, the club are doing great things with their coaching structures, bringing on Cas Wright, Greg Lowe, Clayton Zane and Andy Roberts to oversee programs. My experience has been an incredibly well run club, limited by authorities that run football, and Local Govt who run the facilities.

ForeverRed
11-11-2020, 07:23 AM
I've been involved with New Lambton SAP over the past couple of years, and can say that you absolutely correct. NL are losing a few players from each 10s and 11s squads this year to NPL clubs and it's for the future NPL selection reason alone. It is really tough on the club to lose their talent due to competition administration issues, but with grounds locked up for single club use only, and the high standard of facility required in NPL, it will potentially be the case for the foreseeable future in my opinion.

In saying that, the club are doing great things with their coaching structures, bringing on Cas Wright, Greg Lowe, Clayton Zane and Andy Roberts to oversee programs. My experience has been an incredibly well run club, limited by authorities that run football, and Local Govt who run the facilities.
Happens at most NL1 clubs, same with youth coaches, clubs pay for their coaching badges then they move on, but you can’t blame NNSWF for New Lambton’s poor facilities, I believe they are way down the pecking order when it comes to promotion

Goatscheese
11-11-2020, 05:26 PM
Happens at most NL1 clubs, same with youth coaches, clubs pay for their coaching badges then they move on, but you can’t blame NNSWF for New Lambton’s poor facilities, I believe they are way down the pecking order when it comes to promotion

If you read he blamed NNSWF for the way football is run in Newcastle, which they do make it out to be an absolute joke. And then he blamed the council for the poor facilities.


As for promotion it's going to be a long time before Northern bothering bringing in Promotion/relegation. No point telling parents they will be in NPL in 2022 because it more than likely won't happen. Cooks hill made similar promises despite being the top club to be promoted and Northern threw the entire concept into the too hard basket and said they will look at it again in three years time.

howardyou
13-11-2020, 09:20 AM
If you read he blamed NNSWF for the way football is run in Newcastle, which they do make it out to be an absolute joke. And then he blamed the council for the poor facilities.


As for promotion it's going to be a long time before Northern bothering bringing in Promotion/relegation. No point telling parents they will be in NPL in 2022 because it more than likely won't happen. Cooks hill made similar promises despite being the top club to be promoted and Northern threw the entire concept into the too hard basket and said they will look at it again in three years time.

Correct. To my knowledge NL aren't asking Council for money to upgrade Alder Park.
They have money and the grant opportunities are available, but Council aren't allowing them to fully fence the around outside of the facility and also install a permanent pitch fence. Covered seating was in the works, but we all know what getting building approval from a Council is like.

New Lambton will continue to leak promising young SAP players to NPL clubs until these facility issues are sorted and an NPL Licence granted, as i believe they tick all of the other boxes. Plenty of ambitious clubs will continue to be hamstrung by this stuff, and with NNSW moving the promotion goalposts all the time, it's the clubs that hurt.

sammydog
13-11-2020, 09:43 AM
New Lambton will continue to leak promising young SAP players to NPL clubs until these facility issues are sorted and an NPL Licence granted, as i believe they tick all of the other boxes. Plenty of ambitious clubs will continue to be hamstrung by this stuff, and with NNSW moving the promotion goalposts all the time, it's the clubs that hurt.

This is completely the scenario facing a heap of community clubs who want to make a step to NL1 and have SAP.

The shear volume of players leaked from community clubs into SAP for NL1 and NPL is staggering. Clubs want to make the step up but the door to progress to NL1 is just as shut as the door to go from NL1 to NPL. Its a sport wide issue that is just making the big clubs bigger and the small clubs smaller.

Negative Police
13-11-2020, 10:32 AM
Can you get multiple clubs together to form a club council and put visions for better practices forward. If no action go higher.

Hunter403
13-11-2020, 05:53 PM
Can’t blame the kids for wanting to go to the top clubs in the area. Did NL think these better kids will just stay and play NPL 1?

Will only ever change if NPL and NL1 youth are stand alone from the senior teams, with promotion and relegation. In other words, it will always go like this and the best kids at NL1 clubs will head to NPL clubs as soon as they can.

Aegon
13-11-2020, 05:54 PM
Can’t blame the kids for wanting to go to the top clubs in the area. Did NL think these better kids will just stay and play NPL 1?

I don’t think anyone was blaming the kids at all.....

Aegon
13-11-2020, 10:09 PM
Wow ��*♂️ You really are a simple prick.

The discussion was around the kids leaving due to not having avenues of going to NPL with current clubs.
No one has blamed them at all. It’s 100% understandable and unavoidable because the issue is with the association and lack of potential for club advancement.

Unfortunately I think your response says more about yourself than it does about me.

sammydog
13-11-2020, 11:27 PM
The discussion was around the kids leaving due to not having avenues of going to NPL with current clubs.
No one has blamed them at all. It’s 100% understandable and unavoidable because the issue is with the association and lack of potential for club advancement.

Unfortunately I think your response says more about yourself than it does about me.

The issue I have is not with kids moving up. The good kids need to and always will go, but clubs whether NL1 or community that have aspirations to go higher, and in the process retain some juniors, are essentially blocked by the current system.

This is what needs attention in the current set up. In New Lambton’s case, they would bring a lot more kids into the sport that any of the NPL clubs. Why wouldn’t they want the chance to go higher and in the process retain them.

Negative Police
14-11-2020, 09:40 AM
Unfortunately I think your response says more about yourself than it does about me.

Spot on.

Im all for playing for the local club but having this inequality as nearly all have said is ridiculous.
The reason for leaving a club should be rep football. That is Newcastle, Lac Mac, HV for training and tournaments etc or Jets.

NNSW has thrown in the towel.

sapdad
14-11-2020, 10:01 AM
The reason for leaving a club should be rep football. That is Newcastle, Lac Mac, HV for training and tournaments etc or Jets.


ill respectfully disagree in that kids should change to get the best coaching.at that age the difference between a coach who can read the curriculum vs a coach that can explain the curriculum and add the extras is massive.especially how expensive it is.i think you'll find that some of the issues with kids leaving clubs has more to do with coaching than any sort of desire to wear a different badge.everyone is saying kids left NL to chase NPL spots but hasnt there been an exodus at Jaffas in the same age group?we cant pass that off as lack of ambition for NPL can we.

Negative Police
14-11-2020, 10:15 AM
ill respectfully disagree in that kids should change to get the best coaching.at that age the difference between a coach who can read the curriculum vs a coach that can explain the curriculum and add the extras is massive.especially how expensive it is.i think you'll find that some of the issues with kids leaving clubs has more to do with coaching than any sort of desire to wear a different badge.everyone is saying kids left NL to chase NPL spots but hasnt there been an exodus at Jaffas in the same age group?we cant pass that off as lack of ambition for NPL can we.

Disagree.

So you wouldnt want kids to step up to a higher level? Not sure where that craziness ever came from. If done right, the 3 local rep system was great. The current SAP system is far too diluted.
No exodus from jaffas. Couple of the 11s didnt want to play for the new team so moved on. Couple wanted to be at the "biggest" club so Jets will look at them more closely. Same old pecking order different year.
Very different to New Lambton where some coaching and selection drove parents and kids out.

sapdad
14-11-2020, 10:46 AM
Disagree.

So you wouldnt want kids to step up to a higher level? Not sure where that craziness ever came from. If done right, the 3 local rep system was great. The current SAP system is far too diluted.
No exodus from jaffas. Couple of the 11s didnt want to play for the new team so moved on. Couple wanted to be at the "biggest" club so Jets will look at them more closely. Same old pecking order different year.
Very different to New Lambton where some coaching and selection drove parents and kids out.

i can see your point, i just think that at that age (9-12) they need the best coaching,not the best club.I think its been shown in other threads that more kids make A-League from NPL route than the Jets youth anyway (could be wrong sorry if its not factual).So being at a level to play NPL youth from 13's is all SAP should be doing.agree its too diluted but its 9-12 year old kids they need time. Parents out there club hopping from age 9 to get their kids a better opportunity when they were already at a good club always baffled me.Same as i dont see why parents and kids think Jaffas arent as big a club as magic or olympic.Edgeworth are the current dominant NPL side id consider them the 'biggest club' anyway.imho there are no Man United or Madrid scouts watching SAP games,the kids just need to learn and apply themselves and get ready for NPL 13's.From there i understand it goes to another level, and it should.

sapdad
14-11-2020, 10:48 AM
and just to be clear i wasnt around for the old system so i cant sit here and say it wasnt better.i just know what SAP was sold on and i think its doing that.you only need to talk to any of the ex high level players that have kids in the program or are involved in coaching and all will tell you this is way more technical development than they had a the same age so its definitely got its positives.

Yaa Yaa
14-11-2020, 10:58 AM
i can see your point, i just think that at that age (9-12) they need the best coaching,not the best club.I think its been shown in other threads that more kids make A-League from NPL route than the Jets youth anyway (could be wrong sorry if its not factual).So being at a level to play NPL youth from 13's is all SAP should be doing.agree its too diluted but its 9-12 year old kids they need time. Parents out there club hopping from age 9 to get their kids a better opportunity when they were already at a good club always baffled me.Same as i dont see why parents and kids think Jaffas arent as big a club as magic or olympic.Edgeworth are the current dominant NPL side id consider them the 'biggest club' anyway.imho there are no Man United or Madrid scouts watching SAP games,the kids just need to learn and apply themselves and get ready for NPL 13's.From there i understand it goes to another level, and it should.

Edgeworth? 🤣 why because their 1st grade has been winning? How does the rest of the teams measure up from SAP up to 20s? I think Olympic and Magic are way ahead of Edgeworth when it comes to “biggest” club as a whole. Edgeworth have a great 1st grade no doubt but that’s it.

Goatscheese
14-11-2020, 02:15 PM
Anyone heard or can confirm this rumour that SAP will only be a 16 round competition next year?

KITZ
14-11-2020, 03:17 PM
Anyone heard or can confirm this rumour that SAP will only be a 16 round competition next year?

I think a couple of pages ago there was a post, saying something about fast 5's at the start then they will rank them, they play x number of rounds then rank them again?

Negative Police
14-11-2020, 04:56 PM
Anyone heard or can confirm this rumour that SAP will only be a 16 round competition next year?

That would be a farce so it's probably true. Lazy nnsw cant be bothered running anything

Jim
14-11-2020, 05:51 PM
scores today
U13s Broadmeadow 5-0 Olympic
U14s Broadmeadow 3-0 Edgeworth
U16s Jaffas 1-1 on penalties v North Coast
U15s 1-1 half time Jaffas v NOFC didnt see full time

sapdad
14-11-2020, 06:02 PM
Edgeworth? 🤣 why because their 1st grade has been winning? How does the rest of the teams measure up from SAP up to 20s? I think Olympic and Magic are way ahead of Edgeworth when it comes to “biggest” club as a whole. Edgeworth have a great 1st grade no doubt but that’s it.

no, what im saying is that a certain generation was brought up thinking Rosebuds were the 'best' club, then a generation thought it was magic and olympic.now its not a silly suggestion to think a bunch of 9,10 11 year olds aspire to play 1st grade for Jaffas,Maitland and Edgy based on their success over the past few years.thats all im saying.

sapdad
14-11-2020, 06:04 PM
Edgeworth? �� why because their 1st grade has been winning? How does the rest of the teams measure up from SAP up to 20s? I think Olympic and Magic are way ahead of Edgeworth when it comes to “biggest” club as a whole. Edgeworth have a great 1st grade no doubt but that’s it.

and i do apologise i meant to say Edgeworth can be considered one of the 'biggest' clubs.not THE biggest.thats my mistake.

Jim
14-11-2020, 06:09 PM
no, what im saying is that a certain generation was brought up thinking Rosebuds were the 'best' club, then a generation thought it was magic and olympic.now its not a silly suggestion to think a bunch of 9,10 11 year olds aspire to play 1st grade for Jaffas,Maitland and Edgy based on their success over the past few years.thats all im saying.

He always get upset when someone mentions that Tragic might not be the best. Dont have to apologise.

Edgy are a strong club right through but it isnt the desired "destination" club for juniors or youth.

Yaa Yaa
14-11-2020, 08:35 PM
He always get upset when someone mentions that Tragic might not be the best. Dont have to apologise.

Edgy are a strong club right through but it isnt the desired "destination" club for juniors or youth.

You know what’s tragic, your knowledge of local football and even football in general. Best you get back into your caravan Jimbo.

Jim
14-11-2020, 08:40 PM
You know what’s tragic, your knowledge of local football and even football in general. Best you get back into your caravan Jimbo.

I think that comment reflects more on you than me. I'm not going there its too Tragic. Take note Sapdad and ignore

Goatscheese
14-11-2020, 09:36 PM
I think that comment reflects more on you than me. I'm not going there its too Tragic. Take note Sapdad and ignore

Indeed Yaayaa has the right name because whenever he opens his mouth you just say Yaa yaa, ignore him and move on.

Negative Police
15-11-2020, 12:03 PM
I think that comment reflects more on you than me. I'm not going there its too Tragic. Take note Sapdad and ignore

Ignore them mate. Their immaturity sums up their club quite well.

finzee
15-11-2020, 02:16 PM
I see the red and yellow vermin are back spreading their vile Magic culture. Results does not make a club or fix the toxic culture. Jog on nobodies.

Look at North Coasts quality skills, organisation and development. Mid coast in the 13s are ahead of the game. Even olympic still rely on the long ball switch or 2 hard fast strikers.

Eastwest
15-11-2020, 05:40 PM
I see the red and yellow vermin are back spreading their vile Magic culture. Results does not make a club or fix the toxic culture. Jog on nobodies.

Look at North Coasts quality skills, organisation and development. Mid coast in the 13s are ahead of the game. Even olympic still rely on the long ball switch or 2 hard fast strikers.

Ignore the trolls

howardyou
16-11-2020, 07:21 PM
Ignore the trolls

This thread is a joke isn't it?

Half the people are okay to talk football, the other are a bunch of half-wits that only want to stir trouble or slag off kids & coaches that are doing their best.

Negative Police
16-11-2020, 10:24 PM
I think the 9 a side 12s will feel a little crowded on the less than half of field. Need more space before hitting full field next year.

And this fast 5s at start of season is just an advert for Northern

Game_over
17-11-2020, 08:02 AM
And this fast 5s at start of season is just an advert for Northern[/QUOTE]

Agree that the fast 5s at the start of season is strange.:confused:

Some teams will be playing trials from January with a full team on their full fields and then have to revert back to fast 5s, I cant see the sense.

Happy for someone to explain a good reason for it but I cant think of one at the moment.

Bremsstrahlung
17-11-2020, 08:28 AM
I mean you could argue it’s a good environment to “maximise touches” and focus on “positioning and movement off the ball”. Etc.
but as others have said, I’m very skeptical that it’s nothing but a power grab by NNSW to get people into their facility.

I’d be interested to see their usage data, on how often they are at capacity or fully booked.

Aegon
17-11-2020, 09:36 AM
I mean you could argue it’s a good environment to “maximise touches” and focus on “positioning and movement off the ball”. Etc.
but as others have said, I’m very skeptical that it’s nothing but a power grab by NNSW to get people into their facility.

I’d be interested to see their usage data, on how often they are at capacity or fully booked.

The maximise touches doesn’t work as logic as there are just too many players.
9/10’s will have 9-10 players and 11/12’s will have 11-12 players for 5 a side games.
How do you even work out subs for that?

Let alone somehow determine grading of the real games based on this?

KITZ
17-11-2020, 11:12 AM
This thread is a joke isn't it?

Half the people are okay to talk football, the other are a bunch of half-wits that only want to stir trouble or slag off kids & coaches that are doing their best.

The upside to the old system, there wasn't the club mentality where people needed to bag out a bunch of 9 and 10 year olds learning how to play football. Kids often moved from one district program to another HV to Newcastle to Macquarie sometimes with parents that had to move etc. There was still a little bit of politics but it was quickly seen to as well as bad parent behaviour with offenders spoken to. I honestly wish the clubs could get together and work out how to better stamp it out, its not needed, even through to NPL the parents from SAP can get together and have a chat etc. I'd imagine now its more like an all in brawl. its just so silly.

sapdad
17-11-2020, 12:03 PM
The upside to the old system, there wasn't the club mentality where people needed to bag out a bunch of 9 and 10 year olds learning how to play football. Kids often moved from one district program to another HV to Newcastle to Macquarie sometimes with parents that had to move etc. There was still a little bit of politics but it was quickly seen to as well as bad parent behaviour with offenders spoken to. I honestly wish the clubs could get together and work out how to better stamp it out, its not needed, even through to NPL the parents from SAP can get together and have a chat etc. I'd imagine now its more like an all in brawl. its just so silly.

Please dont confuse the behaviour on this forum to what actually happens at games. As someone who has been there from the start and watched multiple age groups every year i can speak with a small bit of authority and say the gameday experience has been 99% positive for me.Ive seen a couple of instances of coaches carrying on towards refs but spectators have always been good.i see most good play get applauded by both teams fans,kids always shake hands (fist bump, elbow bump whatever) after matches.The spirit at the games is great and i think the clubs uphold a standard of behaviour that the kids must adhere to, and therefore their parents act accordingly.This forum seems to have a few old school heroes who dont have any affiliation with the program on here just airing old grudges. you could make it about mascots or chicken burgers and the same people will be on here bagging out yours and praising theirs.
and we all know george at olympic has the best chicken burgers.

Aegon
17-11-2020, 01:06 PM
Please dont confuse the behaviour on this forum to what actually happens at games. As someone who has been there from the start and watched multiple age groups every year i can speak with a small bit of authority and say the gameday experience has been 99% positive for me.Ive seen a couple of instances of coaches carrying on towards refs but spectators have always been good.i see most good play get applauded by both teams fans,kids always shake hands (fist bump, elbow bump whatever) after matches.The spirit at the games is great and i think the clubs uphold a standard of behaviour that the kids must adhere to, and therefore their parents act accordingly.This forum seems to have a few old school heroes who dont have any affiliation with the program on here just airing old grudges. you could make it about mascots or chicken burgers and the same people will be on here bagging out yours and praising theirs.
and we all know george at olympic has the best chicken burgers.

Completely agree with everything you said - Also Azzurri's chicken burgers are the best.

Yaa Yaa
17-11-2020, 01:30 PM
Completely agree with everything you said - Also Azzurri's chicken burgers are the best.

No way westons are!!

Aegon
17-11-2020, 02:32 PM
No way westons are!!

I've actually never been to Weston's ground so I'll take your word for it :)

Negative Police
17-11-2020, 07:52 PM
I've actually never been to Weston's ground so I'll take your word for it :)

Not much shade unfortunately

KITZ
17-11-2020, 09:15 PM
Please dont confuse the behaviour on this forum to what actually happens at games. As someone who has been there from the start and watched multiple age groups every year i can speak with a small bit of authority and say the gameday experience has been 99% positive for me.Ive seen a couple of instances of coaches carrying on towards refs but spectators have always been good.i see most good play get applauded by both teams fans,kids always shake hands (fist bump, elbow bump whatever) after matches.The spirit at the games is great and i think the clubs uphold a standard of behaviour that the kids must adhere to, and therefore their parents act accordingly.This forum seems to have a few old school heroes who dont have any affiliation with the program on here just airing old grudges. you could make it about mascots or chicken burgers and the same people will be on here bagging out yours and praising theirs.
and we all know george at olympic has the best chicken burgers.

That is really great, it’s nice to read something positive every now and then!

Captain_Carl
21-11-2020, 09:34 AM
No way westons are!!

I did not think I would find a better schnitzel burger than Olympic’s until I had one at Weston. Weston did not make finals football but they win the trophy for the best schnitzel burgers.

Isthisforreal
21-11-2020, 12:30 PM
Disagree.

So you wouldnt want kids to step up to a higher level? Not sure where that craziness ever came from. If done right, the 3 local rep system was great. The current SAP system is far too diluted.
No exodus from jaffas. Couple of the 11s didnt want to play for the new team so moved on. Couple wanted to be at the "biggest" club so Jets will look at them more closely. Same old pecking order different year.
Very different to New Lambton where some coaching and selection drove parents and kids out.


No exodus from the Jaffas 🤣🤣🤣 6 of the 12 players have left, what do you call that ? Along with the fact they were all quality players.
They have only 1 player left from U9s, sounds like a stable environment

It’s obvious there’s a problem

The Hacker
21-11-2020, 04:38 PM
[QUOTE=Isthisforreal;243069]No exodus from the Jaffas 🤣🤣🤣 6 of the 12 players have left, what do you call that ? Along with the fact they were all quality players.
They have only 1 player left from U9s, sounds like a stable environment

It’s obvious there’s a problem

This thread is the best entertainment in town. The way some people carry on about under 9’s football. The fact that by the time they are 16 half will have given it away or gone to play with mates. And if 2 from each team actually ever go on to play 1st grade in NPL or higher that would be generous.
Sorry to break it to you

Eastwest
21-11-2020, 07:04 PM
This thread is the best entertainment in town. The way some people carry on about under 9’s football. The fact that by the time they are 16 half will have given it away or gone to play with mates. And if 2 from each team actually ever go on to play 1st grade in NPL or higher that would be generous.
Sorry to break it to you

Exactly, then we have these blowins making up hysterical stories about a club when some might not like a team. And they havent the intelligence to think that the players on the move push out other players as these other fabulous clubs.
3 15s came over from Olympic to jaffas to win another GF. Who cares what's happening at the club. Happens all the time.

sapdad
21-11-2020, 07:46 PM
The way some people carry on about under 9’s football. The fact that by the time they are 16 half will have given it away or gone to play with mates. And if 2 from each team actually ever go on to play 1st grade in NPL or higher that would be generous.
Sorry to break it to you
I agree with the first part of your comment, some people on here need to settle down.but no on here for the right reasons is talking about their kids making NPL 1st, or A-League, or EPL. they are just interested in the wellbeing of their kids.for anyone carrying on about mums and dads getting too involved in the running of their sport look at it this way.no one seems to care when we criticize the running of the Jets, or our favourite overseas clubs yet for some reason its an issue to discuss their own kids wellbeing? i find it ridiculous people will tolerate someone ready to have a knife fight over Messi v Ronaldo but mention your own kid and you are a weirdo.again,ignore the dopes on here who just have grudges.those people arent involved with SAP.if you arent interested in SAP then fine feel free to go over the EPL thread.its called the dick waving thread for a reason.

The Hacker
21-11-2020, 08:27 PM
I agree with the first part of your comment, some people on here need to settle down.but no on here for the right reasons is talking about their kids making NPL 1st, or A-League, or EPL. they are just interested in the wellbeing of their kids.for anyone carrying on about mums and dads getting too involved in the running of their sport look at it this way.no one seems to care when we criticize the running of the Jets, or our favourite overseas clubs yet for some reason its an issue to discuss their own kids wellbeing? i find it ridiculous people will tolerate someone ready to have a knife fight over Messi v Ronaldo but mention your own kid and you are a weirdo.again,ignore the dopes on here who just have grudges.those people arent involved with SAP.if you arent interested in SAP then fine feel free to go over the EPL thread.its called the dick waving thread for a reason.

The Jets are a professional club so they deserve to be critiqued how it’s perceived to be run positive or negative. NPL clubs are run by volunteers. That’s the difference and why the same level of criticism is ridiculous.
Do we really care why a 9 yr old changed clubs. It baffles me why we debate if it’s the club in for losing them or the new clubs poaching them

sapdad
21-11-2020, 09:46 PM
The Jets are a professional club

you sure about that?
i think we both agree with certain arguments being way over the line.but in terms of why parents/coaches leave clubs, it can be an issue for the clubs that promise parents one thing yet deliver another.parents forking out over $1000 are justified in wondering where their money is going.sadly there are clubs out there that dont have the kids best interests at heart and that should be a concern for a parent that just wants their kid to be happy.id rather avoid the whole 'this club is shit' lack of nuance in the discussion but if a club does a shit thing then im ok with people talking about it.

Negative Police
21-11-2020, 09:51 PM
Do we really care why a 9 yr old changed clubs. It baffles me why we debate if it’s the club in for losing them or the new clubs poaching them
Not really unless the club may choose to avoid issues in the future. No club will please everyone. Its one giant living emotional water bomb.

Coaches good bad moving, parents not liking where their child is playing, jealousy, bullying, players not happy or wanting to join winning teams, other player abilities are some reasons ive heard.

Regardless of where they go, at this level, how many make a living from football from round here? not many

Johnno
22-11-2020, 12:13 AM
Not really unless the club may choose to avoid issues in the future. No club will please everyone. Its one giant living emotional water bomb.

Coaches good bad moving, parents not liking where their child is playing, jealousy, bullying, players not happy or wanting to join winning teams, other player abilities are some reasons ive heard.

Regardless of where they go, at this level, how many make a living from football from round here? not many

Agree with Hacker and Negative Police some people in this thread really have a good look at themselves talking about kids no older than 12. Statistics say less than 5% would actually make a living and less than 1% will actually make it to the pinnacle in Australia.

BS detecor
22-11-2020, 12:18 AM
95% of statistics are made up and 0% of players who listen to the naysayers will ever make it

sapdad
22-11-2020, 12:33 AM
Statistics say less than 5% would actually make a living and less than 1% will actually make it to the pinnacle in Australia.

ok now do the percentage of people on here who are posting that their kid is going to be the new Messi.then do the percentage of people that are just interested in their kids having fun playing football.then do the percentage of people on here who have nothing to do with SAP but just want to bitch and moan about something that doesnt matter to them.

Alan
22-11-2020, 04:37 PM
No exodus from the Jaffas 🤣🤣🤣 6 of the 12 players have left, what do you call that ? Along with the fact they were all quality players.
They have only 1 player left from U9s, sounds like a stable environment

It’s obvious there’s a problem

Hi all,

I’d prefer not to talk about specific clubs but I would like to address the subject discussed here. If it is indeed true that a club (any club!) has only one U9 left by U12 then I agree it does suggest that something hasn’t worked at the club.

This could be that the players initially picked were not good enough with Youth football on the horizon; it could mean the coaching hasn’t been good enough; it could mean players have found other lives, or it could mean the club turns over players quickly in the hope of finding better players.

It could also be a combination of any of these.

My hope for SAP when it started was to developed our players over four years in the hope 50% who started on the journey make it to youth football at our club. At a guess I think we still have around 70% of the players who started with us in U9 coming back for U12 next season. I’m proud of that.

I hope the changes being made elsewhere are not change for change’s sake. Of course some players might not develop as fast as others, but IMHO patience is important. Of course our club does not have the luxury of being a ‘big club’ - but we do show loyalty and hope to get that back in the long run.

A

Negative Police
22-11-2020, 05:24 PM
ok now do the percentage of people on here who are posting that their kid is going to be the new Messi.then do the percentage of people that are just interested in their kids having fun playing football.then do the percentage of people on here who have nothing to do with SAP but just want to bitch and moan about something that doesnt matter to them.
Ill take a slightly different angle on fun

Fun? yeah it starts off for a while but not what ive seen at SAP and NPL unless they are winning most weeks. Even then it can be intense pressure. Its a never ending success seeking misery.

Youd be surprised how many parents want their child to be one of the best especially at the younger age even when clearly underdone. Pride and privilege is an evil thing. So then it progresses to getting them into the "best" teams with best coaching so they can be that star. Guess who our boy plays for....

As the years go by unrealistic goals and expectation drop to reality. By the time we get to 15s the spread is pretty set albeit couple of late developers. however some will realise NBN as their top grade.

The Jets kids are a bit different and have a slight chance of "greatness" - more recently BK, Kanta, hoffman all made a living ? Good enough?

My point - to try and make it more fun - stay at the local club and combine fun, improvement with DECENT results, make the club competitive in most grades. Clubs need good coaches and some encouraging results to keep their juniors. Fun at a good level.

Or do what many do after a NPL career... AAge/Zone league and beers

The Hacker
22-11-2020, 05:24 PM
Hi all,

I’d prefer not to talk about specific clubs but I would like to address the subject discussed here. If it is indeed true that a club (any club!) has only one U9 left by U12 then I agree it does suggest that something hasn’t worked at the club.

This could be that the players initially picked were not good enough with Youth football on the horizon; it could mean the coaching hasn’t been good enough; it could mean players have found other lives, or it could mean the club turns over players quickly in the hope of finding better players.

It could also be a combination of any of these.

My hope for SAP when it started was to developed our players over four years in the hope 50% who started on the journey make it to youth football at our club. At a guess I think we still have around 70% of the players who started with us in U9 coming back for U12 next season. I’m proud of that.

I hope the changes being made elsewhere are not change for change’s sake. Of course some players might not develop as fast as others, but IMHO patience is important. Of course our club does not have the luxury of being a ‘big club’ - but we do show loyalty and hope to get that back in the long run.

A

You comment has made me think. I like the part about loyalty. I think the rule should be that the club you pick for Sap you must stay at fill the end of u/12. Once we get to youth football you can swap. If a player gives it away you must fill that spot with someone from community football instead of taking the easy option and poaching from another SAP team. It put the emphasis on clubs developing players and parents making the right choice to start with. It would cease the entire nonsense.
I’d love to hear people’s opinion on that

sapdad
22-11-2020, 06:11 PM
Ill take a slightly different angle on fun

Fun? yeah it starts off for a while but not what ive seen at SAP and NPL unless they are winning most weeks. Even then it can be intense pressure. Its a never ending success seeking misery.

Youd be surprised how many parents want their child to be one of the best especially at the younger age even when clearly underdone. Pride and privilege is an evil thing. So then it progresses to getting them into the "best" teams with best coaching so they can be that star. Guess who our boy plays for....

As the years go by unrealistic goals and expectation drop to reality. By the time we get to 15s the spread is pretty set albeit couple of late developers. however some will realise NBN as their top grade.

The Jets kids are a bit different and have a slight chance of "greatness" - more recently BK, Kanta, hoffman all made a living ? Good enough?

My point - to try and make it more fun - stay at the local club and combine fun, improvement with DECENT results, make the club competitive in most grades. Clubs need good coaches and some encouraging results to keep their juniors. Fun at a good level.

Or do what many do after a NPL career... AAge/Zone league and beers

appreciate your response.however i was referring to the behaviour of people on the forum, not at the games.the discussion points on the forum are overwhelmingly civil and interesting (and relevant to the program).i just cant stand people on here with the tired old "you parents are all nutcases" angle.
as for fun, i used a simple term but my main idea behind fun is the kids enjoying learning, going to training and playing games and understand what its going to take to keep progressing in the program.i see plenty of kids out there on all level of teams who look miserable.ive no doubt none of them will ever reach their potential and i blame a lot of that on the parents for sure.its a long long road from U/9's to where ever they end up, but if they hate it its over.

Alan
22-11-2020, 06:30 PM
You comment has made me think. I like the part about loyalty. I think the rule should be that the club you pick for Sap you must stay at fill the end of u/12. Once we get to youth football you can swap. If a player gives it away you must fill that spot with someone from community football instead of taking the easy option and poaching from another SAP team. It put the emphasis on clubs developing players and parents making the right choice to start with. It would cease the entire nonsense.
I’d love to hear people’s opinion on that

Great topic. Thanks Hacker.

I think a two-year cycle would be more preferable, covering U9 to end of U10, then U11 to end of U12.

Two years gives parents comfort their child they’ll be developed for a very good period of time, and it will also provide clubs some security that players won’t just up and go after a season. Of course parents can still walk away within the two year period - but that child shouldn’t be able to join another SAP club.

The more I think about this, the more I like it. Do others see any pitfalls? If it’s not working out, players can walk away or force clubs to address the issues. While not contracts, a two year commitment period on both sides will result in much more certainty across the board.

What do others think?

A

Negative Police
22-11-2020, 06:37 PM
appreciate your response.however i was referring to the behaviour of people on the forum, not at the games.the discussion points on the forum are overwhelmingly civil and interesting (and relevant to the program).i just cant stand people on here with the tired old "you parents are all nutcases" angle.


Yeah I didnt want to make it about people on here but a holistic view of local premier club development.

Most on here I believe are in it for the experience to see where it takes their child and to find out general information, changes etc.

We dont need club hero nutcases on here, save it for the home base where everyone will agree with them.

Negative Police
22-11-2020, 06:42 PM
Great topic. Thanks Hacker.

I think a two-year cycle would be more preferable, covering U9 to end of U10, then U11 to end of U12.

Two years gives parents comfort their child they’ll be developed for a very good period of time, and it will also provide clubs some security that players won’t just up and go after a season. Of course parents can still walk away within the two year period - but that child shouldn’t be able to join another SAP club.

The more I think about this, the more I like it. Do others see any pitfalls? If it’s not working out, players can walk away or force clubs to address the issues. While not contracts, a two year commitment period on both sides will result in much more certainty across the board.

What do others think?

A

Interesting point. I think the clubs recruitment is the most important because if they get the right player with desired abilities its easier to keep for a longer time.

Its impossible to get a team of keepers (not GKs) at 9 or 10. Many haven't trialed or haven't been told about the recruitment process by then. At 11 or 12 much of the local talent has been found and most probably finding their way to the already strongest clubs.

Negative Police
22-11-2020, 06:45 PM
You comment has made me think. I like the part about loyalty. I think the rule should be that the club you pick for Sap you must stay at fill the end of u/12. Once we get to youth football you can swap. If a player gives it away you must fill that spot with someone from community football instead of taking the easy option and poaching from another SAP team. It put the emphasis on clubs developing players and parents making the right choice to start with. It would cease the entire nonsense.
I’d love to hear people’s opinion on that

A club has a poor U9 recruitment drive. 2 years of floggings.

I think development is much over rated term. Driven players go from good to great. Strugglers go from non passing to passing

Bremsstrahlung
22-11-2020, 09:33 PM
Devils advocate here.

I think the program needs to decide what it wants to be.
While clubs are having “trials” and “selections” it’s going to be seen as an “elite” program because you have to be “good” to get into it, as opposed to community football where you go to a club and they put you in a team. So to those that are saying it’s just an alternative, yeh, it is, but it’s a selective alternative.

While it’s an “elite program” performance metrics and recruitment are going to be at play, that’s the nature of anything where you put the best into it.
I’d also point out that a key reason kids play sport is to win. Whether you keep score or not, kids know if they win. I dare say those that win, probably enjoy it more. Which drives their decisions and their parents to want to give them better access to this. There’s nothing wrong with this imo, taking away results can negatively impact the kids just as much. They may have a great season, and have nothing to show for it. Hell, playing under 8s gala day grand final was something that kickstarted my interest in soccer and made me chase that feeling.

I frankly think “signing” kids to 2 year contracts or commitments is a bit much.
Alan, says his/her club have 70% retention. Where’s the 2 year commitments? They are doing the right thing by their players and they want to stay. That’s signs of a good program. Players want to be there, families want to be there and club is happy to stick with them. It should encourage other programs to change. Forcing players to stay is not doing any favours.

When I hear people whinging about how clubs treat players etc, it shows me people know what goes on. If those players get burned by a club, do they go back? No. Do they tell their friends or forums or anybody that’ll listen? Yes. If people then go there expecting different outcome, then they deserve what they get, they were warned.

Players changing clubs has been happening for years, for various reasons. It’s parents jobs to reason with their children, and help them to be comfortable in what they end up doing. It’s all learning.

sapdad
22-11-2020, 10:33 PM
Devils advocate here.

I think the program needs to decide what it wants to be.
While clubs are having “trials” and “selections” it’s going to be seen as an “elite” program because you have to be “good” to get into it, as opposed to community football where you go to a club and they put you in a team. So to those that are saying it’s just an alternative, yeh, it is, but it’s a selective alternative.

While it’s an “elite program” performance metrics and recruitment are going to be at play, that’s the nature of anything where you put the best into it.
I’d also point out that a key reason kids play sport is to win. Whether you keep score or not, kids know if they win. I dare say those that win, probably enjoy it more. Which drives their decisions and their parents to want to give them better access to this. There’s nothing wrong with this imo, taking away results can negatively impact the kids just as much. They may have a great season, and have nothing to show for it. Hell, playing under 8s gala day grand final was something that kickstarted my interest in soccer and made me chase that feeling.

I frankly think “signing” kids to 2 year contracts or commitments is a bit much.
Alan, says his/her club have 70% retention. Where’s the 2 year commitments? They are doing the right thing by their players and they want to stay. That’s signs of a good program. Players want to be there, families want to be there and club is happy to stick with them. It should encourage other programs to change. Forcing players to stay is not doing any favours.

When I hear people whinging about how clubs treat players etc, it shows me people know what goes on. If those players get burned by a club, do they go back? No. Do they tell their friends or forums or anybody that’ll listen? Yes. If people then go there expecting different outcome, then they deserve what they get, they were warned.

Players changing clubs has been happening for years, for various reasons. It’s parents jobs to reason with their children, and help them to be comfortable in what they end up doing. It’s all learning.

great post mate.sums it up,its not a perfect system and nothing ever will be.but its got its benefits.hopefully clubs and NNSW make the effort to fine tune any issues that arise.the ability for clubs to secure their own kids for the following year seems to be a massive grey area and the rules that exist as i understand them(which i dont like) get flaunted anyway.id also like to see coaches better educated.nothing against them but theres a lot of them in the system that have great intentions and bundles of enthusiasm but could do with some support from the establishment.it will make everyone better and we all should support those who put their hands up to help.

Negative Police
22-11-2020, 11:42 PM
Timely SMH article


'Winning at any cost': Inside the cut-throat and 'cliquey' world of youth soccer.
Parents and football insiders have taken aim at Football NSW's system to develop youth players, accusing clubs of running a cliquey and "cut-throat" system not in the best interests of children or the game of soccer.

Multiple parents have described an unfair recruitment process for the skills acquisition programs (SAPs) and National Premier Leagues (NPL) teams, a cavalier attitude to children's wellbeing and an emphasis on money.

"It's a rather divisive and unpleasant experience overall," said Emma Talbot, a mother of two children who play soccer in the inner west.

Under a strategy in place since 2010, Football NSW has licensed 48 clubs to provide SAPs for children aged nine to 13 at a cost of $1500 a season. Once players outgrow the SAP phase, they can compete for places in a junior NPL team, the tier below the A-League, with fees set at $2650.

Jim Apostolovski, the immediate past-president of Leichhardt Tigers Junior Soccer Club and a senior figure in the sport in NSW, said he had never supported the SAP system and agreed problems were rife because clubs were interested in "winning at any cost".

Meanwhile, Craig Foster, a football commentator and former Socceroo, said while he was not involved with the SAP and NPL programs at all, "the high cost to play, particularly for talented player programs, is something the game has long avoided confronting".

Mr Apostolovski said SAP system was meant to be about skills development and discovery but some clubs - and parents - were focused on competition, which changed how the children were selected and coached.

"Where it's become very distorted is there's an A team and a B team - I totally disagree with that," Mr Apostolovski said. "You should have 20 kids who play together and some weeks they play in the red team and some in the white team."

"SAP is meant to be about learning and experiencing the ball in a non-competitive environment - if it's not that then make it a competition and revert it back to what it used to be in the '80s and '90s when there was a rep program," he said.

Foster said the high fees meant the sport was not drawing talent from families who could not afford it, including thousands of Indigenous kids, families from culturally and linguistically diverse communities and refugees.

"Australia's greatest generations of players did not arise in an environment where tens of thousands of dollars was a determinant, quite the contrary," he said.

"Financial wherewithal should never be an indicator of sporting achievement, certainly not in the simple game the very nature of which is more inclusive than any other, just a ball and boots."

Foster said it was not an easy problem to fix for a game starved of large broadcast fees and commercial revenue but it was "one that football needs to challenge itself to fix".

Mr Apostolovski said the fees were about covering costs, especially for inner city clubs that had to pay councils huge sums for access to sporting fields. He said it should be free for promising youth players but that could only be achieved with the support of state and federal governments and the peak bodies.

The SAP and NPL trials, which have mostly happened in the past few weeks and are still ongoing at some clubs, are highly competitive for both boys and girls, with sometimes hundreds of children competing for a handful of places.

The Sun-Herald has spoken to a number of parents, many of whom asked to be anonymous because their children were still playing soccer and they feared retribution, about the process.

The clubs frequently run their trials on the same day or same weekend, which Mr Apostolovski believes is a deliberate attempt to force parents and players to choose.

Ms Talbot, the inner west soccer mum, said her daughter went to SAP trials at several clubs and she observed that children were typically pulled off the field to be offered a position in full view of their peers.

"Your child is left to play on with the knowledge that they have obviously not been the chosen one this time," Ms Talbot said.

Another father, who grew up playing soccer in western Sydney and played professional football in Britain, said he took his daughter to try out for SAP programs at several clubs in the past few weeks.

He said at Gladesville Ravens, they pulled him and his daughter aside and offered her a spot - but only if he could immediately pay a $500 deposit to secure her place.

"They said 'we need your $500 deposit right now otherwise I'm going to keep trialling and another girl is going to get this spot'," he said. "They had a little setup under a marquee tent with an ATM machine."

The father said he also saw another child offered a spot who was there with friends and they called her parents on the phone for immediate payment. He said this was a bad way to identify talent who would be the elite players of the future because it favoured not only families who could afford $1500 but also those who had access to $500 at short notice.

His daughter later discovered she had been offered a place at Sydney University Football Club as well but the Ravens' attitude was that the whole $500 was non-refundable. Ravens did not respond to requests for comment.

Mr Apostolovksi defended the need for clubs to secure a deposit, saying parents were "shopping around" different clubs and the clubs needed to manage the logistics.

Two parents have separately described an incident when their sons tried out for an NPL team at the University of Sydney. They say the club separated the children into two games at the beginning of the trial and then the coaches spent the entire 90 minutes watching only one of the games, so it was "completely evident none of the other kids had a shot". The club did not comment.

One mother said one club has called her youngest son back for four trials the past few weeks and still not given him an answer. He is the only one left for his position but they have not committed, making her suspect they are scouting around for another player and just hanging on to him in case they don't find someone.

Mr Apostolovski said NPL coaches should be transparent about how many players they are recruiting and for which positions, as a matter of "courtesy". He experienced the other side of this recently, taking his younger son to a trial in Sutherland, seeing 60 children turn up and then the coach admitting to him they had no positions open and he wasn't sure why they were holding a trial.

A 19-year-old man who played NPL at two different clubs in Sydney from the age of 13 said he enjoyed his experience because he loved playing football but from his observation it was "often more about who you know".

He was the beneficiary of this when he was 12 and his friend's father organised coaching with the person who would be coaching the NPL team for his age group the following year, while other times he saw mediocre players promoted on the strength of their connections.

Amber Robinson, a mother from Oatley, said her son played SAP for a year in Rockdale when he was younger but he found it cliquey and not enjoyable so he went back to his club after a year.

Football NSW technical director Warren Grieve said he was not aware of these incidents but confirmed "not one of those scenarios would be in [his] guidelines to roll out a smooth and professional trials day experience".

He said parents could complain to Football NSW, which would follow up with clubs, but parents should find a club where they felt comfortable with the culture.

"My question would be, why would they keep their child within that environment?" he asked.

Negative Police
22-11-2020, 11:47 PM
When I hear people whinging about how clubs treat players etc, it shows me people know what goes on. If those players get burned by a club, do they go back? No. Do they tell their friends or forums or anybody that’ll listen? Yes. If people then go there expecting different outcome, then they deserve what they get, they were warned.

Not really. 3 players may hate a club team but 15 may like it. It doesnt define the club when a few leave and bitch on social. But i can define the overall culture of certain clubs and 1 I will avoid for the long term.

Negative Police
22-11-2020, 11:56 PM
No exodus from the Jaffas ������ 6 of the 12 players have left, what do you call that ? Along with the fact they were all quality players.
They have only 1 player left from U9s, sounds like a stable environment

It’s obvious there’s a problem

So there's also a big problem at Adamstown because half of their 14s are leaving or are we going to conveniently blame the other clubs for accepting the movers? Cant cry both ways. Its up to the players to decide.

You find many clubs dont have many 9s left in U11s or 12s especially if they didnt bother looking too hard at the start. Give it up salty.

sapdad
23-11-2020, 12:23 PM
i think the article posted by Negative Police shows everything thats right and wrong with programs like this.if clubs hold open trials then they are not showing loyalty for their existing players.if clubs dont hold open trials they are being cliquey and playing favourites.Clubs want players to commit on the spot,players (and parents) want spots held in case they get a better offer.there is no winning here.what we all need to realise is that parents need to be really aware of what they are getting into and understand what the program is and what the real endgame is.clubs need to be focused just on the well being of the kids, the rest will take care of itself in the long run.and this isnt a problem isolated to football.every sport/school/work program that gives pathways to the 'better' qualified will always be accused of these exact same things.im all for tweaking it and making it as good as possible,but it will never be perfect.
also on the cost,im at a loss to whether it will ever become affordable.im not sure how many govt enquiries and reincarnations of the structure of australian football there has been, but it seems that once the people get in charge of so much money and power they get corrupted by it.and with FIFA explicitly forbidding govts from running the game, there is no solution in sight.sadly.

Retired01
23-11-2020, 02:55 PM
i think the article posted by Negative Police shows everything thats right and wrong with programs like this.if clubs hold open trials then they are not showing loyalty for their existing players.if clubs dont hold open trials they are being cliquey and playing favourites.Clubs want players to commit on the spot,players (and parents) want spots held in case they get a better offer.there is no winning here.what we all need to realise is that parents need to be really aware of what they are getting into and understand what the program is and what the real endgame is.clubs need to be focused just on the well being of the kids, the rest will take care of itself in the long run.and this isnt a problem isolated to football.every sport/school/work program that gives pathways to the 'better' qualified will always be accused of these exact same things.im all for tweaking it and making it as good as possible,but it will never be perfect.
also on the cost,im at a loss to whether it will ever become affordable.im not sure how many govt enquiries and reincarnations of the structure of australian football there has been, but it seems that once the people get in charge of so much money and power they get corrupted by it.and with FIFA explicitly forbidding govts from running the game, there is no solution in sight.sadly.


Im interested in peoples opinions on Clubs having trials on the same day as others for the same age group.

Good - Players forced to choose the club prior
Bad - Weaker club trials are a waste and have to retrial once stronger clubs release kids from their trials?

KITZ
23-11-2020, 03:14 PM
Im interested in peoples opinions on Clubs having trials on the same day as others for the same age group.

Good - Players forced to choose the club prior
Bad - Weaker club trials are a waste and have to retrial once stronger clubs release kids from their trials?

It’s ridiculous and it gets worse as kids get older. Player and children’s well-being should be at the heart of the system in youth football and it’s not. It gets worse as they get older and a lot I imagine quit because of reasons that have very little to do with football, more to do with the rest of the problems often described here.

Retired01
23-11-2020, 04:20 PM
It’s ridiculous and it gets worse as kids get older. Player and children’s well-being should be at the heart of the system in youth football and it’s not. It gets worse as they get older and a lot I imagine quit because of reasons that have very little to do with football, more to do with the rest of the problems often described here.

Ideas for a solution? From what I understand the dates are mandated by NNSW. Is that true?

Negative Police
23-11-2020, 05:03 PM
Jesus you talk some crap, you’re like a forum slut, jumping from post to post. Give it a rest clown.
You’ve even started talking to yourself in this group. #loser

A crime for joining in multiforums? What a true moron.

Your appalling behaviour points to the grub you really are and your club is as vile and it's clear for everyone to see. What a poor excuse for a human but no one is surprised.

Negative Police
23-11-2020, 05:18 PM
i think the article posted by Negative Police shows everything thats right and wrong with programs like this.if clubs hold open trials then they are not showing loyalty for their existing players.if clubs dont hold open trials they are being cliquey and playing favourites.Clubs want players to commit on the spot,players (and parents) want spots held in case they get a better offer.there is no winning here.what we all need to realise is that parents need to be really aware of what they are getting into and understand what the program is and what the real endgame is.clubs need to be focused just on the well being of the kids, the rest will take care of itself in the long run.and this isnt a problem isolated to football.every sport/school/work program that gives pathways to the 'better' qualified will always be accused of these exact same things.im all for tweaking it and making it as good as possible,but it will never be perfect.
also on the cost,im at a loss to whether it will ever become affordable.im not sure how many govt enquiries and reincarnations of the structure of australian football there has been, but it seems that once the people get in charge of so much money and power they get corrupted by it.and with FIFA explicitly forbidding govts from running the game, there is no solution in sight.sadly.

Interesting that clubs can differ by a fair margin even though playing in the same comp and with supposed similar certified coaching.

sapdad
23-11-2020, 05:23 PM
Ideas for a solution? From what I understand the dates are mandated by NNSW. Is that true?

ive been told the same.but its clear clubs arent following the same single set of rules.one club kept their returning players in the dark until 2 days before the trials even though players in the same team had months earlier already signalled their intention to leave because they had spots at another club.both clubs in question thought they were abiding by the rules so maybe theres a lack of clarity.the downside was that players who didnt know if they had a spot trialed at other clubs and got accepted.the way the situation was explained to me its hard to put blame on anyone.kids wanted to guarantee themselves a spot, clubs thought they werent allowed to inform kids of retention even though they intended to do so.
id love to see clubs be allowed to inform players of being retained a month or 2 before the end of the season, that way if they arent planned to come back they can go trial at other clubs to try and secure a spot.it would also free up spots at trials so players who are already secure wont need to trial for anyone.

Bremsstrahlung
23-11-2020, 08:03 PM
And to think we almost had a full page of constructive comments.....

Negative Police
23-11-2020, 08:38 PM
And to think we almost had a full page of constructive comments.....

We shouldnt have to put up with personal attacks from that turd. I have done nothing but add productive conversation.


id love to see clubs be allowed to inform players of being retained a month or 2 before the end of the season, that way if they arent planned to come back they can go trial at other clubs to try and secure a spot.it would also free up spots at trials so players who are already secure wont need to trial for anyone.

Does happen but is very awkward for the parents and player for those last 6 weeks or so.

The Hacker
23-11-2020, 09:40 PM
ive been told the same.but its clear clubs arent following the same single set of rules.one club kept their returning players in the dark until 2 days before the trials even though players in the same team had months earlier already signalled their intention to leave because they had spots at another club.both clubs in question thought they were abiding by the rules so maybe theres a lack of clarity.the downside was that players who didnt know if they had a spot trialed at other clubs and got accepted.the way the situation was explained to me its hard to put blame on anyone.kids wanted to guarantee themselves a spot, clubs thought they werent allowed to inform kids of retention even though they intended to do so.
id love to see clubs be allowed to inform players of being retained a month or 2 before the end of the season, that way if they arent planned to come back they can go trial at other clubs to try and secure a spot.it would also free up spots at trials so players who are already secure wont need to trial for anyone.

If players were signed/accept to play at a club and it was 2 year blocks kids know where they are playing but also the trials are for kids outside of Sap program in that 2 year window so we would eliminate this. At the end of the 2 year block if a club wants to keep a player let them offer or whenever. If the clubs put 2 years into the player they deserve first option at keeping them. Then it’s in the players hands to choose

sapdad
23-11-2020, 09:52 PM
Does happen but is very awkward for the parents and player for those last 6 weeks or so.

agree.it happened at one of my sons mates clubs and it wasnt a great environment for the last few weeks apparently.the only saving grace is that parents and kids have a chance to get another shot elsewhere instead of finding out too late.again there is no perfect answer.just as an aside though, the washup from cutting a bunch of kids early didnt seem to have the effect the team was after as it is debatable if the club actually got any better by doing it.maybe it goes back to sticking with the kids you have and helping them rather than a continual big turnover.at some stage if clubs keep kicking kids out maybe the club needs to look at how its running the program from their end.

KITZ
24-11-2020, 09:21 AM
agree.it happened at one of my sons mates clubs and it wasnt a great environment for the last few weeks apparently.the only saving grace is that parents and kids have a chance to get another shot elsewhere instead of finding out too late.again there is no perfect answer.just as an aside though, the washup from cutting a bunch of kids early didnt seem to have the effect the team was after as it is debatable if the club actually got any better by doing it.maybe it goes back to sticking with the kids you have and helping them rather than a continual big turnover.at some stage if clubs keep kicking kids out maybe the club needs to look at how its running the program from their end.

I don’t know if they still do it but mid year reports done by the clubs also help the kids understand where they are strong and what areas they need to work on. The retention letter can be a bit difficult but if the parents have a proper discussion with their kids it doesn’t mean they won’t be at the same clubs next year. Sometimes kids aren’t told or don’t realise they aren’t working hard enough and you can see them step up and put in the effort to show they are willing to keep working. Not getting a letter doesn’t mean you won’t be there the next year but i think open communication and discussion helps to stop some of the issues that happen. The worst thing clubs can do is to run it like it’s some sort of national secret, I think more communication between parents and clubs can make a lot of difference.

Maybe also having a centralised timeframe when retention letters will go out. Ok clubs if you are going to make offers to your current players it must be this week. Give parents time to discuss with the club the stuff above and start thinking about what other options they have.

sapdad
24-11-2020, 11:50 AM
The worst thing clubs can do is to run it like it’s some sort of national secret, I think more communication between parents and clubs can make a lot of difference.


i agree here.it sucks but as the kids get older the places available get smaller and smaller.the very very best will make it to the top but along the way pretty much all the kids will have to drop off somewhere.of course having the chat to a 9 year old vs a 16 yr old is different, but clubs, kids and most importantly parents being open and realistic is the only way to go forward.

samcan
24-11-2020, 01:43 PM
i agree here.it sucks but as the kids get older the places available get smaller and smaller.the very very best will make it to the top but along the way pretty much all the kids will have to drop off somewhere.of course having the chat to a 9 year old vs a 16 yr old is different, but clubs, kids and most importantly parents being open and realistic is the only way to go forward.

There are clubs with trialing players now on the maybe list while these clubs look to see who may be available in the near future. Makes it hard.

Aegon
24-11-2020, 02:22 PM
:trolls:

Yaa Yaa
24-11-2020, 04:31 PM
You are a disease get out already.

Why get rid of him? haha he’s funny. Old mate called his mum a whore but that’s ok? He’s only returning serve. If people are going to dish it out they have to expect it back surely? I say play on. I only come on here for the laughs and not the football knowledge you guys posses. I actually would love see these guys post their real names and go at it. That would make a good laugh.

sapdad
24-11-2020, 05:15 PM
if you want any advice,use the personal messages function and send each other all the garbage you want.im not taking sides on any of this but im pretty sure the mods will get the last word on this and none of you will like it anyway.

BS detecor
24-11-2020, 05:48 PM
Is there even an admin on this site? Wishing cancer, encouraging self harm and denigrating children is not on in any public forum especially by what I presume to be adults....pathetic display

furns
24-11-2020, 06:09 PM
Is there even an admin on this site? Wishing cancer, encouraging self harm and denigrating children is not on in any public forum especially by what I presume to be adults....pathetic displayYes there is, and action is incoming.........

furns
24-11-2020, 06:18 PM
ffs I have enough stuff going on in my life without having to keep juveniles apart online.

Finzee and Doopche both banned for a month. If they step out of line when they come back, it will be a perma-ban.

Let this be a lesson to all, Im sick of warning people to behave. Now its going to be: behave or suffer the consequences.
Thank you to all those who resisted the urge to get involved, and tried to continue what is a necessary discussion.
Carry on.

Aegon
24-11-2020, 06:21 PM
ffs I have enough stuff going on in my life without having to keep juveniles apart online.

Finzee and Doopche both banned for a month. If they step out of line when they come back, it will be a perma-ban.

Let this be a lesson to all, Im sick of warning people to behave. Now its going to be: behave or suffer the consequences.
Thank you to all those who resisted the urge to get involved, and tried to continue what is a necessary discussion.
Carry on.

Kudos. Hopefully we can continue legitimate discussions going forward with a little more decorum.

furns
24-11-2020, 06:28 PM
Kudos. Hopefully we can continue legitimate discussions going forward with a little more decorum.:thumbsup:

onlooker
28-11-2020, 11:15 AM
Maitland FC WPL are chasing a goalkeeper for their U/13’s team for next season.

Contact Cal on 0421646037 for more information.

Aegon
30-11-2020, 09:59 AM
So have most clubs now selected their 2021 squads?

How are the clubs plans for the upcoming season looking?

Glad to say that our club have confirmed coaches (all teams) and managers (most teams), return to training dates & have also locked in pre season games each weekend until the end of February.

Players will be allocated to teams once they return to training. Going off what happened last year I am guessing the club will split existing players up evenly between the 2 teams and new players will fill out both squads.

I have noticed some clubs have maintained squads without mixing existing players together over a number of years. Is there any thoughts as to which approach is better?

KITZ
30-11-2020, 10:16 AM
So have most clubs now selected their 2021 squads?

How are the clubs plans for the upcoming season looking?

Glad to say that our club have confirmed coaches (all teams) and managers (most teams), return to training dates & have also locked in pre season games each weekend until the end of February.

Players will be allocated to teams once they return to training. Going off what happened last year I am guessing the club will split existing players up evenly between the 2 teams and new players will fill out both squads.

I have noticed some clubs have maintained squads without mixing existing players together over a number of years. Is there any thoughts as to which approach is better?

Most of the girls' SAP teams look like they are training already. Personally, being able to play with anyone is important, mixing it up adapts kids to change and being able to walk on the park and play with kids they don't know. Trialling is the worst and it only gets harder if you have only been playing with the same kids for 4 years, it also stops "cliques" from forming as well, and different coaches will teach kids different things, the more opportunity kids have to gain knowledge from different sources the better as well.

Goatscheese
30-11-2020, 04:30 PM
ive been told the same.but its clear clubs arent following the same single set of rules.one club kept their returning players in the dark until 2 days before the trials even though players in the same team had months earlier already signalled their intention to leave because they had spots at another club.both clubs in question thought they were abiding by the rules so maybe theres a lack of clarity.the downside was that players who didnt know if they had a spot trialed at other clubs and got accepted.the way the situation was explained to me its hard to put blame on anyone.kids wanted to guarantee themselves a spot, clubs thought they werent allowed to inform kids of retention even though they intended to do so.
id love to see clubs be allowed to inform players of being retained a month or 2 before the end of the season, that way if they arent planned to come back they can go trial at other clubs to try and secure a spot.it would also free up spots at trials so players who are already secure wont need to trial for anyone.

If a club had offered spots to other players before the trial period and think they were following Northern's rules, they are obviously lying or are ignorant. I am predicting it is the former.

Northern already clearly says that you can offer players already registered spots before the trial period. So that particular club is also ignorant. In saying that some clubs do refuse to offer retentions and tell them all to come and retrial.

mic22
15-12-2020, 10:18 AM
My (almost) 9yo will be entering the SAP world in 2021.
New club, new everything.
I've been keeping an eye on this discussion, and at times got scared by all the non-football issues and the amount of political BS around young kids playing football (and sport in general). But that's the real world, I guess.

Being admittedly very bad at this, my simple and naive advice to my kids has always been:
1. Work hard
2. Keep improving
3. Do your best
(4. pass the bloody ball!!!)

Hope it works...

Aegon
15-12-2020, 11:13 AM
My (almost) 9yo will be entering the SAP world in 2021.
New club, new everything.
I've been keeping an eye on this discussion, and at times got scared by all the non-football issues and the amount of political BS around young kids playing football (and sport in general). But that's the real world, I guess.

Being admittedly very bad at this, my simple and naive advice to my kids has always been:
1. Work hard
2. Keep improving
3. Do your best
(4. pass the bloody ball!!!)

Hope it works...

Welcome.

Ignore the trolling and negativity, it's an unfortunate side effect of anonymity.

In general the program is the best available pathway unless you have an exceptional coach at community level.

You're giving your young one the right message which is similar to what I ask from my young ones in sport, school or anything they participate in:

Always try your hardest
Listen to what you're being taught
Enjoy yourself


If needed, reinforce the right behavior at training, not to be silly or distractible because the coaches hate nothing more.

Bremsstrahlung
15-12-2020, 01:20 PM
I remember nothing I hated more in juniors than turning up to training and everyone begging to play “tackle footy” at the end and throughout.
I mean, kids will be kids in terms of behaviour. But I guess, hopefully, kids in these SAP are genuinely interested in football and want to be playing it.

samcan
15-12-2020, 03:42 PM
I remember nothing I hated more in juniors than turning up to training and everyone begging to play “tackle footy” at the end and throughout.
I mean, kids will be kids in terms of behaviour. But I guess, hopefully, kids in these SAP are genuinely interested in football and want to be playing it.

At 2 nights of training a week there'll be no time for that. Join a touch footy comp on a non training night.

Reds Forever
18-12-2020, 05:18 PM
Interesting post on FB today. Central Coast United will be in NNSW Sap next year.

Captain_Carl
18-12-2020, 06:11 PM
Interesting post on FB today. Central Coast United will be in NNSW Sap next year.

Interesting because they have no intention of leaving the Sydney NPL for youth and seniors.

Goatscheese
22-12-2020, 10:34 PM
Interesting post on FB today. Central Coast United will be in NNSW Sap next year.

Good for Central Coast and good for the local JDL comp

Captain_Carl
22-12-2020, 11:55 PM
And good for the mighty Edgeworth Eagles who do an awesome roast beef and gravy roll.

Aegon
23-12-2020, 12:18 AM
And good for the mighty Edgeworth Eagles who do an awesome roast beef and gravy roll.

Have you switched allegiances? I notice a lot of Edgy praise from you on here and FB rather than Valo recently.

Aegon
23-12-2020, 12:19 AM
Good for Central Coast and good for the local JDL comp

Agreed

Captain_Carl
23-12-2020, 06:45 PM
I wanted to help Valo out for a year with a bit of support because I like their colours. I have decided to go back to Edgy where I belong. Go the Eagles!

KITZ
24-12-2020, 03:23 PM
I wanted to help Valo out for a year with a bit of support because I like their colours. I have decided to go back to Edgy where I belong. Go the Eagles!

I think his account has been hacked, filling the forums with irrelevant posts.

Captain_Carl
24-12-2020, 11:30 PM
I think his account has been hacked, filling the forums with irrelevant posts.

What an insult. There is nobody that understands the local football scene like me. Jeepers creepers yeah!