The Music Thread

[Bon]

Damn I love these dudes..
Bit of a teaser in to the new Mastodon album that comes out in March..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuAaxqmJVMA

[Jetmaster]

You are forgetting Tuesday Night at the Palais after 11pm. Before 11pm they had male strippers on for the girls. The chicks were dripping for Cawk by the time the show was over. So you basically waited out the front

wearing speedos with your hands above your head and waited for some action.

I've been told the Gunfighters has been regenerated - is this the case?

(Apologies for us elderly gents hijacking the thread and reliving our youth but when your memory gets sparked you have to make the most of it at our age).

[baldrick]

(Apologies for us elderly gents hijacking the thread and reliving our youth but when your memory gets sparked you have to make the most of it at our age).

Old guys rule !

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Not entirely music related by I've been hitting up a new podcast 'Life in The Stocks'..Has had interviews with Al Barr (Dropkick Murphys), Steve -O, Laura Jane Grace (Against Me), dudes form Metallica discussing Black Sabbath and upcoming with Killswitch Engage.

[The Dunster]

Not entirely music related by I've been hitting up a new podcast 'Life in The Stocks'..Has had interviews with Al Barr (Dropkick Murphys), Steve -O, Laura Jane Grace (Against Me), dudes form Metallica discussing Black Sabbath and upcoming with Killswitch Engage.

https://www.acast.com/lifeinthestocks

Nice find.

[StannyCFCJET]

New Linkin Park is Trash

[Bon]

Not entirely music related by I've been hitting up a new podcast 'Life in The Stocks'..Has had interviews with Al Barr (Dropkick Murphys), Steve -O, Laura Jane Grace (Against Me), dudes form Metallica discussing Black Sabbath and upcoming with Killswitch Engage.

I don't really have much to do with podcasts, but this sounds like it could be worth checking out..


New Linkin Park is Trash

Ahhh mate, did you expect anything else? :gent:

I've been digging a lot of the old 80's metal of late.. Mercyful Fate's album Don't Break The Oath is just ridiculous for its time (1984!!!)..

I was watching the OA and this random headbanger song came on, had to find out who it was..
Turns out it was Sanctuary, a band from Seattle.. Apparently there was quite a big power/thrash metal scene going on there before grunge/alternative stuff took a hold in the early 90s..
This album was produced by Dave Mustaine (of Megadeth and Metallica fame).. Once again, some of the vocals aren't for everyone, but the riffs are just amazing..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOoklqEDlFw

Other than that, recently my car has been getting a bashing from:
Everything by Mastodon.
Deftones - Around The Fur
Machine Head - Burn My Eyes
Portishead - Self Titled
Tool - Undertow

[Grimario]

Damn I love these dudes..
Bit of a teaser in to the new Mastodon album that comes out in March..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuAaxqmJVMA

That's excellent, am definitely pumped for this release.


I've stuck in a bit of random "whatever Spotify recommends" stuff lately... Leprous? Beyond Twilight? Beyond the Bridge? Good stuff.

[Bon]

That's excellent, am definitely pumped for this release.


I've stuck in a bit of random "whatever Spotify recommends" stuff lately... Leprous? Beyond Twilight? Beyond the Bridge? Good stuff.

I still haven't got Spotify..
I'm just building a new computer, so might need to look in to getting it once its ready to go..
I've heard of Leprous (but never listened to them) but not the other two..

[StannyCFCJET]

[QUOTE=Bon;174318] Ahhh mate, did you expect anything else? :gent:


Yeah i did because even though they always change style, It was interesting and sounded fresh. This just sounds boring and uninspired

[Bon]

Yeah i did because even though they always change style, It was interesting and sounded fresh. This just sounds boring and uninspired

Pretty sure I've only heard their first two albums, so I shouldn't comment too much..
My roommate and I have extremely different tastes in music, but often I get exposed to more Linkin Park than I'm used to.. haha
Whenever we are playing ping-pong/bitchgoblets/skittletits (drinking games on the pong table) there is usually music on in the background and we have ONLY JUST come to a happy medium which is usually Muse or Foo Fighters (although I like the old, and he likes the new)..
Everything else is too heavy for him, or too radio for me..
Swings and roundabouts, innit..

[StannyCFCJET]

Pretty sure I've only heard their first two albums, so I shouldn't comment too much..
My roommate and I have extremely different tastes in music, but often I get exposed to more Linkin Park than I'm used to.. haha
Whenever we are playing ping-pong/bitchgoblets/skittletits (drinking games on the pong table) there is usually music on in the background and we have ONLY JUST come to a happy medium which is usually Muse or Foo Fighters (although I like the old, and he likes the new)..
Everything else is too heavy for him, or too radio for me..
Swings and roundabouts, innit..

Muse and Foo fighters are really good. The Foos are amazing live as well

[goaliepersempre]

Mignight Oil with a massive tour planned.... (I will be in Sweden, not my usual switzerland when they have a gig here)

[The Dunster]

Mignight Oil with a massive tour planned.... (I will be in Sweden, not my usual switzerland when they have a gig here)

I hope they play all the old surf tone songs rather than the political shit they started from 10to1 onward. We used to see them at War and Peace at Parramatta in the late 70's and they were untouchable as a live act back then.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rHk4EeZhCc

[hawk]

Often have a peak at this and other late 70's aussie bands on the tube. the catchy riff during the verse yeah.

[The Dunster]

Often have a peak at this and other late 70's aussie bands on the tube. the catchy riff during the verse yeah.

Kevin Borich Express, Matt Taylor / Chain, The Saints, Radio Birdman, Dragon... the golden years of Aussie music.

[Bon]

Hey Grim, you see the latest "Making of - Part 3" for the new Mastodon album?
The teaser riff for the song Andromeda.. My balls are about to fizzzzzzzzz...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MctuLdWtwos

[The Dunster]

Fancy spending all that money on guitars and amps only to saturate it with so much processed distortion you wouldn't be able to tell a Marshall from a Matchless or a Gibson from a Squier.

I even saw a Black Face Super Reverb in the shot - I own one - it's not for metal - unless you connect it to a pedal or two - which makes me ask again ? What's the point?

Hand these blokes a BC Rich and a Rectifier like a Mesa Boogie please and leave the nice instruments to those that actually need them.

Don't get me wrong - I think these blokes are good. But what a waste of gear.

[Bon]

Fancy spending all that money on guitars and amps only to saturate it with so much distortion you wouldn't be able to tell a Marshall from a Matchless or a Gibson from a Squier.

Hahaha.. It's not all distorted Dunster.. Just the tough bits..
I love your view on it though.. (no sarcasm from me at all!)

I agree that some bands do go over the top with a heap of unnecessary sh!t, but to simplify these guys to a BC Rich and Mesa Boogie is a bit much.. (I see it all the time around the place, dudes with 6 string basses that only play one string on it :rof: )
I don't think all of the gear is actually theirs either, I am assuming its mainly the studios, however could be wrong (Whenever I've had to record, we have had to use our own instruments with studio/producer/personal gear, haha)..

I'm not sure how much of their stuff that you have listened to apart from these 5 minute snippets, but there is a LOT more to them than just open note distorted chugs or gutteral growls..
While not having a clip, I kinda feel this song is a massive "walk in the bush" for them and just constantly changes (not so manic or insane as a Mr Bungle sort of thing, but definitely progressively)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx2fp-kKOIw

[The Dunster]

I think I'd throw Mastodon into the Prog Rock genre more so than simply Heavy Metal. If Black Sabbath and King Crimson spawned a child it would probably be a lot like Mastadon. That vocal sounds a lot like early Ozzie Osborne.

[parksey]

keen

[Grimario]

Hey Grim, you see the latest "Making of - Part 3" for the new Mastodon album?
The teaser riff for the song Andromeda.. My balls are about to fizzzzzzzzz...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MctuLdWtwos

That is ****ing lovely.

[baldrick]

Mignight Oil with a massive tour planned.... (I will be in Sweden, not my usual switzerland when they have a gig here)

Got tickets to Sydney and Hunter Valley. Stoked.

[The Dunster]

Got tickets to Sydney and Hunter Valley. Stoked.

Would there be any atmosphere at Hope Estate though given the venue and the wine sipping f-wits you would be surrounded by ?

Oils were always best in a small venue which held 500 or less when you were ripped off yer tits on micro dots.

Prices are not too bad though.

[baldrick]

Would there be any atmosphere at Hope Estate though given the venue and the wine sipping f-wits you would be surrounded by ?

Oils were always best in a small venue which held 500 or less when you were ripped off yer tits on micro dots.

Prices are not too bad though.


I'm planning on wearing 2 jumpers & spraying beer all over myself to make sure I get the proper Oils experience (yes,seriously) at Hope Estate

[The Dunster]

I'm planning on wearing 2 jumpers & spraying beer all over myself to make sure I get the proper Oils experience (yes,seriously) at Hope Estate

Perfect.

[furns]

Would there be any atmosphere at Hope Estate though given the venue and the wine sipping f-wits you would be surrounded by ?

Oils were always best in a small venue which held 500 or less when you were ripped off yer tits on micro dots.

Prices are not too bad though.I remember going to the Oils on the Redneck Wonderland tour at the Workers Club.
Mental.

[plague]

Probably my most hated band ever.

Actually might be tied with Cold Chisel.

Either way, I think they are garbage.

[q-money]

the intro to US Forces is a banger tho

[q-money]

tell ya what tho old man dunster is right on something, radio birdman and the saints are deadset bloody national treasures on a clive palmer scale

[The Dunster]

Probably my most hated band ever.

Actually might be tied with Cold Chisel.

Either way, I think they are garbage.

Cold Chisel. They made one very good album. The rest contain a few great singles but overall mostly contain filler. Could be ok live though at times - but not tight like Birdman or Oils in their day.
Midnight Oil. You need to see them in a small venue and if it was before 1980 then even better. Album wise the first three albums plus the Bird Noises EP are still great listening today.
Unfortunately, the fourth album 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 was the start of a new era for the band and a lot of fans from the early days like me don't really care much for it or the albums that followed.
The raw energy captured by the earlier albums was starting to fade as it got drowned out by the political messages. By the time you get to Red Sails in the Sunset I'd go so far as to say you are talking about a completely different band .
Plague have you spun the first three albums and the EP ? Because chances are you will like them if you don't like the political Oils shit.

[baldrick]

Yeah, everything since the Joshua Tree has been rubbish.

[The Dunster]

Yeah, everything since the Joshua Tree has been rubbish.

I tried for years to like the Joshua Tree and just never could understand the love. The singles are good but the rest is pretty much filler.
I'm not a fan but as an album I'd say Achtung Baby is their best album by a mile.
I like War as well and bits of Rattle and Hum. But it's all very familiar.

[Grimario]

Mate, might have to look in to this disc golf legend then.. haha
Croppers are MASSIVE in Europe and US.. Its a shame that a band from Tassy are loved and looked-up-to and credited as an influence to all these huge bands over there, but are relatively unheard of here (outside of metal circles anyway)..

Where is Heavy Devy playing at?

Here is this disc golf legend playing drums...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgbIkRtfnoI

[parksey]

Probably my most hated band ever.

Actually might be tied with Cold Chisel.

Either way, I think they are garbage.

Probably the worst post ever.

[plague]

Probably the worst post ever.

you're giving me too much credit.
not even my worst post this weekend.


serious though you can have Chisel and the oils all to yourselves im cool with that.

I'll chuck in Hunters and Collectors if you want for free.



and the Angels.




and Nick Cave.



please please please take Nick Cave.


ta,
Plague.

[parksey]

Yeah no worries I'll take 'em all.

[pv4]

you're giving me too much credit.
not even my worst post this weekend.


serious though you can have Chisel and the oils all to yourselves im cool with that.

I'll chuck in Hunters and Collectors if you want for free.



and the Angels.




and Nick Cave.



please please please take Nick Cave.


ta,
Plague.

TBH I was agreeing with most things you were saying but then you had to throw out the hate for Nick Cave, didn't you. You foul beast.

[Bon]

Here is this disc golf legend playing drums...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgbIkRtfnoI

Man, he's a decent drummer..
I know the sound is muddy, but for the fact its been recorded on a handycam or whatever, it doesn't sound too bad.. The only thing I'm not down with are the singers clean melodic bits..
Needs a second guitarist to harmonise with the first.. But that's just my taste..

[Grimario]

Man, he's a decent drummer..
I know the sound is muddy, but for the fact its been recorded on a handycam or whatever, it doesn't sound too bad.. The only thing I'm not down with are the singers clean melodic bits..
Needs a second guitarist to harmonise with the first.. But that's just my taste..

Yeah, I don't usually like the screaming vocals much but the clean stuff ruined the song for me as well.

[plague]

TBH I was agreeing with most things you were saying but then you had to throw out the hate for Nick Cave, didn't you. You foul beast.

That's cool I feel the need to give you guys some things because you're all out here letting me and q-man have Trump to ourselves and we feel bad not sharing.

[q-money]

sad

[plague]

sad

How many people do you think it took to hold President Trump down last night so he couldn't get on Twitter and stir them all up about the Oscars.

He's a big dude I'd say at least 6 blokes.

[The Dunster]

How many people do you think it took to hold President Trump down last night so he couldn't get on Twitter and stir them all up about the Oscars.

He's a big dude I'd say at least 6 blokes.

Trump failed to make an impact in the movie business. He lost a crap load of his daddy's money trying to make movies, and has been bitter with the industry ever since.

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Trump failed to make an impact in the movie business. He lost a crap load of his daddy's money trying to make movies, and has been bitter with the industry ever since.

Dominated in that cameo in Home Alone 2 though.

[Bon]

Dominated in that cameo in Home Alone 2 though.

Absolutely...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0F9QFsZ1Dc

[plague]

Dunster just hatin'

Sad.

[The Dunster]

Dunster just hatin'

Sad.

I was referring to him as a producer / director. As an actor he's probably in the top five best Donald Trump impersonators I have seen.

[baldrick]

I tried for years to like the Joshua Tree and just never could understand the love. The singles are good but the rest is pretty much filler.
I'm not a fan but as an album I'd say Achtung Baby is their best album by a mile.
I like War as well and bits of Rattle and Hum. But it's all very familiar.

Yeah, I probably agree..

But I'm a bit partial to The Unforgettable Fire too.

[plague]

I was referring to him as a producer / director. As an actor he's probably in the top five best Donald Trump impersonators I have seen.

There's a pretty good 30 for 30 doc about Trump killing the XFL (ok it was a bit of hunting low hanging fruit) but for a bloke that has as many spectacular failures as him, he continually falls upwards.

That in itself is a skill to be applauded.

[q-money]

There's a pretty good 30 for 30 doc about Trump killing the XFL (ok it was a bit of hunting low hanging fruit) but for a bloke that has as many spectacular failures as him, he continually falls upwards.

That in itself is a skill to be applauded.

didn't he kill the USFL?

the XFL was all old mate vinnie mac from the dubya dubya eff right?

[Bon]

Well, this (combined with coffee) has been getting me through the morning.. Between The Buried And Me..
For a live recording, its pretty unbelievable.. Classically trained dudes, their sound and how tight they are is just ridiculous.. (Although I realise its probably recorded over several takes..)
Also, the Sunn 300T and Spector that the bassist is rocking, are fvcking sexy..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zowGcw2NO1g

[The Dunster]

Well, this (combined with coffee) has been getting me through the morning.. Between The Buried And Me..
For a live recording, its pretty unbelievable.. Classically trained dudes, their sound and how tight they are is just ridiculous.. (Although I realise its probably recorded over several takes..)
Also, the Sunn 300T and Spector that the bassist is rocking, are fvcking sexy.. [/video]

The keyboard player is terrible - he looks like someone that took four lessons in primary school and said **** it - I'll be a singer instead. He's a great singer though.

[q-money]

:rof:

[Bon]

The keyboard player is terrible - he looks like someone that took four lessons in primary school and said **** it - I'll be a singer instead. He's a great singer though.

Hahaha..
You had to comment on the one thing im not paying attention or listening to.. Well played.. :gent:

[The Dunster]

When people hear me play guitar they always say " at least you can play keyboards".

[plague]

didn't he kill the USFL?

the XFL was all old mate vinnie mac from the dubya dubya eff right?

Ah yes, I stand corrected.
There are 30 for 30 docs on both the USFL and XFL.
Trump was USFL.

[Grimario]

Bon... 29 days :brrr:

I've gone back to the beginning, crank through each previous album in a week... throwing in a few listens to Show Yourself and Sultan's Curse.

[Bon]

Bon... 29 days :brrr:

I've gone back to the beginning, crank through each previous album in a week... throwing in a few listens to Show Yourself and Sultan's Curse.

Yeah man! I was cranking a lot of them, but have put them on hold until after the weekend, as I've been revisiting Killswitch Engage in prep for tomorrow nights show at the Enmore.. You heading down?
I'm still not entirely sold on Show Yourself.. Its catchy as fvck, and definitely growing on me, but it just seems a little too catchy.. haha

[Grimario]

Yeah man! I was cranking a lot of them, but have put them on hold until after the weekend, as I've been revisiting Killswitch Engage in prep for tomorrow nights show at the Enmore.. You heading down?
I'm still not entirely sold on Show Yourself.. Its catchy as fvck, and definitely growing on me, but it just seems a little too catchy.. haha

Nah. Devy is my next gig. I had so many years off metal that I haven't listened to any new KSE for a few years... same with Gojira, still haven't listened to last years album.

Agree on Show Yourself. It's very mainstreamy, radio friendly. Gets a little dirtier around the 1:30 mark and the minute after that is great before jumping back into radio friendly.

[The Dunster]

Yeah man! I was cranking a lot of them, but have put them on hold until after the weekend, as I've been revisiting Killswitch Engage in prep for tomorrow nights show at the Enmore.. You heading down?
I'm still not entirely sold on Show Yourself.. Its catchy as fvck, and definitely growing on me, but it just seems a little too catchy.. haha

This stuff looks like lot of fun to play with some very kewl riffs buried in amongst that wall of sound. Would hate to be the drummer though.

[Bon]

This stuff looks like lot of fun to play with some very kewl riffs buried in amongst that wall of sound. Would hate to be the drummer though.

Which song(s) did you check out? There can be a bit of a difference between the old and new stuff (and different singers)..

[The Dunster]

Which song(s) did you check out? There can be a bit of a difference between the old and new stuff (and different singers)..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc8gy3CJU1Y

This is awesome - but maybe too mainstream for the real fans is it ?

[hawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc8gy3CJU1Y

This is awesome - but maybe too mainstream for the real fans is it ?

Geez i can appreciate the talent of these guys and love many songs from nearly every genre but.....i'll just cant understand how someone can like this. is it a testosterone, i need to find my internal devil fk the world thing? anyway, power to you if you like it. love to all musos :)

[The Dunster]

Geez i can appreciate the talent of these guys and love many songs from nearly every genre but.....i'll just cant understand how someone can like this. is it a testosterone, i need to find my internal devil fk the world thing? anyway, power to you if you like it. love to all musos :)

Agreed. I'd much rather play it than listen to it.

[hawk]

Agreed. I'd much rather play it than listen to it.

hadnt looked at it from that angle

[Bon]

Geez i can appreciate the talent of these guys and love many songs from nearly every genre but.....i'll just cant understand how someone can like this. is it a testosterone, i need to find my internal devil fk the world thing? anyway, power to you if you like it. love to all musos :)

Really?
And this is one of their more radio-friendly songs.. haha
What is it about it that you can't get in to, hawk?

BTW the show was amazing.. So good live, and a funny bunch of dudes too - you can really tell they enjoy what they do and it shows in their music and stage presence..

[Grimario]

This is awesome - but maybe too mainstream for the real fans is it ?

My gateway into KSE was even more mainstream sounding... in parts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoQrwKJtv_c

[Grimario]

Part 4. Hyped!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGCWTcBM4QI

[Bon]

Yeah!!!!! I saw it on Sat.. Looks and sounds awesome, but I was a little freaked out with how much they are pushing the idea of "less is more" with his fills..
It makes sense, but I don't want them dumbing him down either.. haha

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Geez i can appreciate the talent of these guys and love many songs from nearly every genre but.....i'll just cant understand how someone can like this. is it a testosterone, i need to find my internal devil fk the world thing? anyway, power to you if you like it. love to all musos :)

For some it is probably a testosterone thing but I would think they would be the vast minority. For most I think it is the depth of lyric, community and sense of belonging that happens in that world (maybe less so for more mainstream bands like Killswitch).

In the Killswitch case the 'fk the world thing' couldn't be further form the truth. The lyrics primarily discuss trying to be positive and 'love all' etc but also the challenges of mental health and what not. And they actually have a lot of religious (Christian ) narratives in their music.

[Bon]

Grim, time to start rubbing up a chubs.. Mastodon just released the full version of Andromeda..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ry7FStwey4

[Grimario]

Awwww yissss.

[plague]

oh and in a perfect piece of casting John Butler trio is supporting Midnight Oil.

Make sure you take your pens and paper to jot down the lecture you're gonna get.

Clowns.

[The Dunster]

oh and in a perfect piece of casting John Butler trio is supporting Midnight Oil.

Make sure you take your pens and paper to jot down the lecture you're gonna get.

Clowns.

When the politics became bigger than the music is when I lost all interest in Midnight Oil - anything from and including 10to1 doesn't float my boat at all.

I still think you would enjoy the first album though Plague.

With respect to John Butler it's probably more of the same only he never made 3 good albums before it all went to shit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txjQHeQH5eY

[Bon]

HAHAHA That was awesome..


I'm heading to Sydney on Sunday night to see Meshuggah play..
Made me feel the urge to dig up an awesome clip of some Russian "gang" dancing, put to Meshuggah's music.. (I'm sure we have posted it on here somewhere before)
Every time I watch it, I lose my sh!t..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba5HFp1rb20

[hawk]

. For most I think it is the depth of lyric, community and sense of belonging that happens in that world (maybe less so for more mainstream bands like Killswitch).

Yeah defo those 3 things make sense. I dont really get into lyrics that often which is probs sacrilege in the highest. Thats why I still like a Benny Hill chase theme. Probs also why I liked that 90's stuff.

hey BON


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfbl-PgJIa0

[Bon]

Yeah defo those 3 things make sense. I dont really get into lyrics that often which is probs sacrilege in the highest. Thats why I still like a Benny Hill chase theme. Probs also why I liked that 90's stuff.

hey BON


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfbl-PgJIa0

HAHA its perfect..

[Bon]

Been listening to Red Fang today..
Not the most technical or polished band going around, just some good dirty stoner rock..
Such a simple concept for a film clip, but so awesome.. They always have fun clips..
(Keep an eye out for the old organ getting destroyed.. I thought of you Dunster)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQPfQvLIseA

[The Dunster]

Great film clip.

[Grimario]

Next week!
:brrr:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUGda7GdZPQ

[Bon]

Next week!
:brrr:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUGda7GdZPQ

Pretty awesome clip.. A lot less polished than most of their previous ones, but a sweet concept.. haha..
Love the nod to Glengarry Glen Ross.. haha

[Bon]

Walked down to the King St cinema last night to see Rammstein - Paris.. A concert movie that was released world-wide yesterday..
Would go see again, pretty damn awesome live show full of their usual pyrotechnics and phallic imagery.. Mixed with some CGI stuff just to keep you going "wtf?" - especially when viewing it not-low..

(On a hilarious note, there was some sort of film festival going on - the lobby was packed out - and a few old nannas definitely found themselves in the wrong theatre, taking in the meaty riffs and massive cock cannons spraying foam in the movie)

It was only just then that I realised it was Arsene Wenger on the keyboards.. haha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxtoYzkmRAk

[The Dunster]

Walked down to the King St cinema last night to see Rammstein - Paris.. A concert movie that was released world-wide yesterday..
Would go see again, pretty damn awesome live show full of their usual pyrotechnics and phallic imagery.. Mixed with some CGI stuff just to keep you going "wtf?" - especially when viewing it not-low..

(On a hilarious note, there was some sort of film festival going on - the lobby was packed out - and a few old nannas definitely found themselves in the wrong theatre, taking in the meaty riffs and massive cock cannons spraying foam in the movie)

It was only just then that I realised it was Arsene Wenger on the keyboards.. haha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxtoYzkmRAk\

A friend who's a borderline Hitler youth type gave me a few CD's and DVD's telling me how awesome they were - I just didn't get it.

[Grimario]

It's today!

Have it ready to go when I boot up the computer.

[Bon]

It's today!

Have it ready to go when I boot up the computer.

Sweeeeeeeeet...
You just downloading it?

[Grimario]

Sweeeeeeeeet...
You just downloading it?

Already have. Tempted to put it on now but have a meeting in 50 so won't get it finished.

[Bon]

Already have. Tempted to put it on now but have a meeting in 50 so won't get it finished.

I've got the vinyl being sent out..
I am assuming I should be getting an email today with the code for digital download since I've already purchased it..
Damn keen..

[Grimario]

I've got the vinyl being sent out..
I am assuming I should be getting an email today with the code for digital download since I've already purchased it..
Damn keen..

Man... if I had started when I posted at 8:37, I could have finished it with two minutes before meeting. Only 51 long :(

[Grimario]

It is pretty good. My 9:30 meeting got canned so I got to do the whole thing in one sitting.

Have to give it another listen after morning meetings.

[NUGUNS]

I've got the vinyl being sent out..

I know you're a muso Bon but I wasn't expecting the vinyl.

On that note I've got a few of Enter Shikari records and I wanna hear what they sound on something more than a $80 player.

[Grimario]

Bon, your thoughts?

[Bon]

Bon, your thoughts?

I haven't got it yet!! hahaha..
I just received a text saying I've got a parcel waiting for me when I get home, so I'm assuming that will be it.. Will give my thoughts on it tomorrow hopefully..
Was literally just watching the "Making Of part 8" just then.. Interesting hearing the insight into the lyrics, story and combining it with the artwork.. So much thought goes in to it all, not just pumped out..

What are you thinking about it, now that you have had the weekend to spin it more?

[Bon]

I know you're a muso Bon but I wasn't expecting the vinyl.

On that note I've got a few of Enter Shikari records and I wanna hear what they sound on something more than a $80 player.

How did I miss this?

Yeah mate, I've been collecting for a little while, want to get a decent player too..
Actually, Dunster sent me a link of his sound system but I don't have the $7k+ that I assume he dropped on it.. haha

[Grimario]

You didn't even get a digital download copy? That's farked.

And I finally got a chance to belt it out on decent speakers yesterday. It is good. Very good.

[Bon]

You didn't even get a digital download copy? That's farked.

And I finally got a chance to belt it out on decent speakers yesterday. It is good. Very good.

I believe the code for the digital copy comes on a little slip inside the vinyl.. haha
In the past, I've gotten an email for it too, but it seems I haven't this time. (Unless its gone straight to junk with all the erectile dysfunction and nigerian lottery emails? :thumbsup: )

[The Dunster]

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/32985

I wouldn't be spending much on equipment to play Enter Shikari Records if the digital versions are anything to go by. You wouldn't pick the difference between a $80 and $8,000 turntable.
It's all recorded with budget systems in mind - which is a good thing. Play em how they are supposed to be played LOUD!!!!!!!!

If on the other hand you like Prince then the more you spend the better it gets - The original vinyl and first issue CD's of his catalogue have unbelievable sound quality. I don't think any other artist gets close when it comes to the sound quality of their vinyl or CD's.

[WolfMan]

^^^

What artist was trying to bring in some lossless audio format recently? I wanna say Tom Petty, but I'm pretty sure that's way off the mark

[The Dunster]

^^^

What artist was trying to bring in some lossless audio format recently? I wanna say Tom Petty, but I'm pretty sure that's way off the mark

You are probably thinking of MQA [Master Quality Authenticated] - Which is a subsiduary so to speak of MLP [ Meridan Lossless Packing]. Daft Punk I think have been involved with the format - but I can't recall many others.
I don't think people really care to be honest as better formats already exist such as DSD128, DSD256, and DSD512 which are awesome but costs for both players and the recordings is not within reach of most people - and pointless as well given how good even RBCD can sound when done correctly.

And that's just it - the reason CD is failing these days is that the Engineers are either crap or they are being forced to compress and brickwall everything to the point where bit rates and resolution simply aren't enough anymore to make them sound good. People simply go to iTunes and so on now because the advantages of CD have been removed and younger folk really have no idea just how good CD can sound - most haven't even seen an actual CD player [ Certainly not many under 35 years old any way.

I have a DSD player at home and it's very nice and all but most people [99.9%] can't differentiate it from a well recorded Redbook CD. Unfortunately, well recorded red book cd's are getting very hard to find now days.

[WolfMan]

I read with interest the difference between mp3 which is heavily compressed by cutting out bits that are almost inaudible, and lossless audio, which is like a .zip file on a computer.

Compressed to reduce space taken up, and decompresses on the fly when played, without sacrificing any of the tracks.

Pretty interesting stuff, and something I hadn't given much thought to.

[The Dunster]

I read with interest the difference between mp3 which is heavily compressed by cutting out bits that are almost inaudible, and lossless audio, which is like a .zip file on a computer.

Compressed to reduce space taken up, and decompresses on the fly when played, without sacrificing any of the tracks.

Pretty interesting stuff, and something I hadn't given much thought to.

Yes - some very clever algorithms and the more powerful / smarter computers become the better it's going to get.
I remember when MP3 started in 1993 the fastest processors we had at home were the 486 DX2/66 which only ran on a 33mhz bus. It took forever to encode files and playback was stressful on gear as well. Clicks and pops were pretty much the norm. I have to admit though, I was an early adopter of the technology in beta form using command line based programs in linux and dos - but I never thought it would get as big as it is now.

[Grimario]

I believe the code for the digital copy comes on a little slip inside the vinyl.. haha
In the past, I've gotten an email for it too, but it seems I haven't this time. (Unless its gone straight to junk with all the erectile dysfunction and nigerian lottery emails? :thumbsup: )

Well? Did Australia Post deliver or was it your annual supply of canned gypo tuna?

[Bon]

Well? Did Australia Post deliver or was it your annual supply of canned gypo tuna?

Nah, I usually just get pv4 to fish the cans of tuna out of skip-bins with his mate Hutcho..

No code for digital download in the vinyl. Blew up.
Was about to email the record company then, and find out its been sent to my email at 3am this morning.. Downloading now! (Assuming my work computer will allow me)

[Bon]

Ok, just had my first full listen through it..
My first impression is that its pretty damn awesome! Not ridiculously outstanding (yet), but Mastodon albums are always growers..
Loving the bass sound on it, very prevalent.. There feels like there are a lot more vocals going on (as in, not as many instrumental parts as in previous albums), which isn't necessarily a bad thing..
Some of the riffs are tough as, others are a drug-fueled walk in the cosmos, I love how diverse and what a broad range of styles they can cover..

Going to give it some more listens throughout the day, have some decent Sennheiser headphones so will turn it up real loud and try to get every nuance (while scowling, so that people in the office rightfully assume that I'm busy)..

[The Dunster]

Ok, just had my first full listen through it..
My first impression is that its pretty damn awesome! Not ridiculously outstanding (yet), but Mastodon albums are always growers..
Loving the bass sound on it, very prevalent.. There feels like there are a lot more vocals going on (as in, not as many instrumental parts as in previous albums), which isn't necessarily a bad thing..
Some of the riffs are tough as, others are a drug-fueled walk in the cosmos, I love how diverse and what a broad range of styles they can cover..

Going to give it some more listens throughout the day, have some decent Sennheiser headphones so will turn it up real loud and try to get every nuance (while scowling, so that people in the office rightfully assume that I'm busy)..

Is the album Emperor of the Sand ? From what I can tell from scans it's clock radio quality in digital form. http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/125934

Mastadon albums on vinyl though appear to have a lot more care taken with them and sound a lot better. Not because vinyl is better but because they have purposely crippled the digital versions in an effort to sell more vinyl. In fact the vinyl has around double the headroom / dynamics of the digital versions - which is insane given that CD's main advantage over vinyl is headroom / dynamic range.

Your vinyl version should have a lot more open sound where as the digital will sound flat and lifeless - but very loud. Acceptable on an iPod but not so great when you get it onto the home system.

[Grimario]

Ok, just had my first full listen through it..
My first impression is that its pretty damn awesome! Not ridiculously outstanding (yet), but Mastodon albums are always growers..
Loving the bass sound on it, very prevalent.. There feels like there are a lot more vocals going on (as in, not as many instrumental parts as in previous albums), which isn't necessarily a bad thing..
Some of the riffs are tough as, others are a drug-fueled walk in the cosmos, I love how diverse and what a broad range of styles they can cover..

Going to give it some more listens throughout the day, have some decent Sennheiser headphones so will turn it up real loud and try to get every nuance (while scowling, so that people in the office rightfully assume that I'm busy)..

My bro finally left for work so I've set it up on repeat in the lounge room, filling the house with Mastodony goodness.

[Bon]

Tickets for Grinspoon (playing Guide To Better Living in its entirety) at the Cambo just went on sale..
August 31. Get on it..

[Grimario]

Here you go, Bon... some more metal to have for breakfast.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVesyT612F8

[Bon]

Here you go, Bon... some more metal to have for breakfast.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVesyT612F8

:lulzturtle:

Holy shit.. That was awesome! hahaha..

[Bon]

Tickets just went on sale on Ticketek for The Dillinger Escape Plan's final tour of Australia..
Playing the Metro in Sydney on Oct 21.. Just purchased mine.

Easily the most insane and energetic live show that I've ever seen..

[pistolpete]

Tickets just went on sale on Ticketek for The Dillinger Escape Plan's final tour of Australia..
Playing the Metro in Sydney on Oct 21.. Just purchased mine.

Easily the most insane and energetic live show that I've ever seen..

So many good gigs on this year I can't afford all of them!

[plague]

Off the Wall is the best pop album ever made.

Just magic.

[The Dunster]

Off the Wall is the best pop album ever made.

Just magic.

You don't consider Sign O' the Times a pop album ?
It's over 30 years old and sounds like it could have been made yesterday.
Off the Wall was out of date when it arrived two years after disco had already died.
First five tracks are very good though - from then on I struggle with Off the Wall.

Not that I'm any judge of music. The Who by Numbers is one of my favourite albums and the band and most Who fans hate it.

[plague]

Yeah look I was just really hammered last night and had it on in the room.

My point had no real facts behind it.

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Tickets just went on sale on Ticketek for The Dillinger Escape Plan's final tour of Australia..
Playing the Metro in Sydney on Oct 21.. Just purchased mine.

Easily the most insane and energetic live show that I've ever seen..

I saw them quite a few years back in London (2004 I think). At the time I wasn't a massive fan but my bro got me tickets. It was easily the most mesmerising live show I have ever seen, I stood awestruck for 2 hours and didn't move. It was a sweet show, they played with Arch Enemy and Ephel Duath (interesting Italian metal).Oh ,and the Haunted.

Same trip I saw the In Flames show at Hammersmith that they ended up chucking out on DVD.

and Madball at the basement of some pub.

They were good times.

[StannyCFCJET]

Rise Against have a new song The Violence and a new album very soon. These guys never disappoint

[The Dunster]

Plagues post got me thinking about what is the "Greatest Pop Album of All Time"

I'm thinking: Sign O' the Times - Prince OR True Blue - Madonna .

Anything else that comes to minds either too dated, too heavy, too complicated, or contains too much filler.

What would others pick ?

[Grimario]

Bridge Over Troubled Water

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Rise Against have a new song The Violence and a new album very soon. These guys never disappoint

Not a huge fan of the last 2 albums as they are moving more towards that rocky sound (ala gaslight anthem etc) but always worth giving another chance.

[StannyCFCJET]

Not a huge fan of the last 2 albums as they are moving more towards that rocky sound (ala gaslight anthem etc) but always worth giving another chance.

I loved Endgame and TBM but their early stuff specially RPM and SATW are mint

[The Dunster]

Bridge Over Troubled Water

Good Choice.

If only they didn't put that terrible live cover of Bye Bye Love on side two. it's inclusion completely ruined the flow of the album.

Bookends is great as well but not as accessible as Bridge Over Troubled Water

[The Dunster]

I loved Endgame and TBM but their early stuff specially RPM and SATW are mint

This I like.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ

[plague]

I'd say it's generational.
Ancient people would prob say The Beatles.
Old people would be MJ/Prince/Madonna.
The Yoof would probably put up early Bruno Mars or Taylor Swifts 1989.

I'd side with the old people as MJ's production really still holds up. The thing with a lot of early Prince is that his drums are so weak and tinnie. He sure worked it out on the later stuff but that always bothers me.

The best stuff Madonna did shits all over anything these pop stars are doing today (Gaga Beyoncé etc).

What else is/was out there?

[parksey]

Are we counting the Beatles and Beach Boys?

[plague]

Are we counting the Beatles and Beach Boys?

Oh, Beach Boys is a great one.
I don't know too many specifics but is there one album that defines them? Or longevity?

[Grimario]

Pet Sounds, probably.

[The Dunster]

Are we counting the Beatles and Beach Boys?

Sure. I thought about them but here is why I didn't list them above Prince and Madonnas efforts.

I don't think the Beach Boys ever made a good album that was accessible to the masses. I love Pet Sounds - but it's not an easy / enjoyable listen for most people.
Beatles is a tough call as well because I wouldn't call their most accessible albums their best ones. If I had to pick one I'd say Sgt Pepper. But the problem is I'm talking about the mono recording only - the stereo version is terrible because the mix does not work. Revolver is probably their best album - but it has a few tracks which are a little deep to be considered pop orientated.
White Album is a masterpiece or a sprawling mess depending who you speak to, Abbey Road is a compilation of left overs, Rubber Soul, Hard Days Night, and Help are great but definitely showing their age.

[The Dunster]

Pet Sounds, probably.

The band hated it, the critics hated it, and the fans didn't buy it. The Beach Boys are much better known for their singles than their albums.

In saying that I think Pet Sounds is one of the greatest recordings of all time - but it's not accessible for a lot of people apart from the three singles. The best material on Pet Sounds most people have never heard.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUIWc5yS9Rc

[The Dunster]

Spice Girls - SPICE.

Hate to admit it but it's pretty ****ing awesome as a pop recording. The melodic hooks and harmonies are near perfect. And if you didn't like the music you could always rub one out looking at the included poster.

Carole King - Tapestry. Probably the greatest chick album ever made - not sure if it's universally appealing though as I can't imagine many dudes born after 1985 giving it the time of day.

[Grimario]

What about some Fleetwood Mac, Dunster... Rumours?

[pistolpete]

What about some Fleetwood Mac, Dunster... Rumours?

Cracker of an album. Over 50 million would say thriller. Probably closed to 100 million but can't be bothered looking up the latest sales figures

[plague]

Bee Gees are another proper pop group.
ABBA too.

Actually ABBA has to be right up there yeah?

[The Dunster]

What about some Fleetwood Mac, Dunster... Rumours?

Yep. Ticks all the boxes of being consistent, accessible, and it's definitely stood the test of time as well.

[The Dunster]

Bee Gees are another proper pop group.
ABBA too.

Actually ABBA has to be right up there yeah?

Yes if you include compilations. No if you only include albums - because their albums contain a lot of filler - most of which even their biggest fans skip.

ABBA's best effort is a greatest hits compilation. Best of Abba or Abba Gold
Bee Gees best effort is a Movie Sound track compilation. Saturday Night Fever Soundtrack

[The Dunster]

Thought of another one. Only question is whether or not is accessible ? I'm too much of a fan to be unbiased.

Elvis Costello - This Years Model.

[parksey]

Good call on Carole King, I grew up on that album.

Also I think you're underestimating the accessibility of an album like Pet Sounds. It may have been a bit weird back then, but it's not now and a lot of the songs play like straight pop tunes.

[parksey]

pretty hard to say it's not an MJ album though. literally every album has one or two songs someone doesn't like/thinks is filler.

[pistolpete]

Bee Gees are another proper pop group.
ABBA too.

Actually ABBA has to be right up there yeah?

No

[The Dunster]

Also I think you're underestimating the accessibility of an album like Pet Sounds. It may have been a bit weird back then, but it's not now and a lot of the songs play like straight pop tunes.

Yes I think you are right. It was a bit too much for people when it came out - but the multilayered sound of it is pretty much the norm now.

[plague]

Thought of another one. Only question is whether or not is accessible ? I'm too much of a fan to be unbiased.

Elvis Costello - This Years Model.

Yeah look I'll never knock anyone's talents but this dude doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the others that have been mentioned.

[plague]

Also, is Elvis now considered 'pop' music?

Because at the time it wasn't it considered a bit weird?

I have no idea what or who Elvis was back then, but obviously now he's as mainstream as it comes.

[The Dunster]

Also, is Elvis now considered 'pop' music?

Because at the time it wasn't it considered a bit weird?

I have no idea what or who Elvis was back then, but obviously now he's as mainstream as it comes.

Elvis is Rock n Roll - and Rock and Roll was dead and buried before 1960.

He never really made an album in the form we are talking about here either - his so called albums were pretty much all compilations or covers based.

it's not until 1964 that a band or artist actually released an album of all original material that had mass appeal [The Beatles - A Hard Day's Night]

[baldrick]

The Joshua Tree

[The Dunster]

The Joshua Tree

The quality of the songs diminishes rapidly after track 3. Which is why a lot of people consider it the most front loaded album of all time.

It sold a shit load of copies though - more than 25 million so maybe I'm just biased against it. I'd rate Achtung Baby as a massive upgrade.

[plague]

I'd def never put U2 as 'pop' music. But that's my definition.

[Jetmaster]

Very hard defining "pop" - I now realise most of my collection "isn't"!

The new Sgt Pepper mixes later this month will be interesting. The greatest pop music was during the 60's but it was a singles market and albums were just singles collections plus filler.

In the 70's the biggest bands in pop music - Slade, Sweet, T-Rex, Skyhooks, Sherbet et al don't really sound like "pop" now, though they were considered that at the time.

I'd give a guernsey to Abba's "Arrival" - very classy LP that one and I still have it.

80's/90's is pop heaven due to the onset of video - not much since 2000 strikes me as pop though in terms of albums, seems to be singles driven again.

[Bon]

What about some Fleetwood Mac, Dunster... Rumours?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzZCoe38_hM

[Bon]

I saw them quite a few years back in London (2004 I think). At the time I wasn't a massive fan but my bro got me tickets. It was easily the most mesmerising live show I have ever seen, I stood awestruck for 2 hours and didn't move. It was a sweet show, they played with Arch Enemy and Ephel Duath (interesting Italian metal).Oh ,and the Haunted.

Same trip I saw the In Flames show at Hammersmith that they ended up chucking out on DVD.

and Madball at the basement of some pub.

They were good times.

Mate, some massive shows there!!! Especially seeing them in London!
Dillinger just go batshit on stage, admittedly at the expense of their sound, but if you want to hear it perfect then stay home and listen to the album.. haha
To see them playing with Arch Enemy, Ephel Duath AND the Haunted.. Fvck!!! What a lineup! I've seen the Haunted a couple of times (I still think Dolving was their best singer, crazysnake bloke, but great vocalist) and my old band got to play at an Arch Enemy after party show in Sydney for the band members (however Angela the saucy minx didn't show up! haha)
I've seen In Flames lives once, but it was at a festival and I'd like to have seen them at a smaller more intimate show..

As for Madball in a basement style pub, that would have been insane! I saw them in Sydney with two of my fave NYHC bands, Vision Of Disorder and Sick Of It All..

[The Dunster]

I'd def never put U2 as 'pop' music. But that's my definition.

Agreed.

[Bon]

As for the whole pop conversation, its probably the genre I know least about or have minimal to do with, but I'd have to say my mind would automatically go towards MJ..
Pretty sure you have all summed it up quite well and I've got nothing to add.. :rof:

[The Dunster]

Very hard defining "pop" - I now realise most of my collection "isn't"!

The new Sgt Pepper mixes later this month will be interesting. The greatest pop music was during the 60's but it was a singles market and albums were just singles collections plus filler.

In the 70's the biggest bands in pop music - Slade, Sweet, T-Rex, Skyhooks, Sherbet et al don't really sound like "pop" now, though they were considered that at the time.

I'd give a guernsey to Abba's "Arrival" - very classy LP that one and I still have it.

80's/90's is pop heaven due to the onset of video - not much since 2000 strikes me as pop though in terms of albums, seems to be singles driven again.

Slade, Sweet, T-Rex, and to a lesser extent Skyhooks - I'd say would sit alongside hair metal type bands like Poison, Whitesnake, Bon Jovi - that sort of thing. Not Metal / not rock / not really pop either. But with mass appeal among teens at the time.

But if I had to define what Pop was in the early to mid 70's it would be these guys.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNLdOx5zcRs

Oh how we hated them so much. And yet over 40 years later I kind think they weren't so bad. Maybe even good.

[plague]

But if I had to define what Pop was in the early to mid 70's it would be these guys.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2f/30/dd/2f30dd2b8d721f6e5ae52760a105a91c.jpg

Oh how we hated them so much. And yet over 40 years later I kind think they weren't so bad. Maybe even good.

Who or what the hell is that?

[The Dunster]

Who or what the hell is that?

The Bay City Rollers. I posted a video above - have a listen.
They were the early 1970's version of One Direction only these guys could actually play a little.
Every teenage girl loved them every teenage dude wanted to punch them out.

[plague]

ok, so im stuck in yet another hole room so what better time than to share some examples of why i love Prince.

first up:
Super Bowl performance.
Its was belting down, his dancers (and him) had ridiculous heels on.
He used live guitars, something that doesnt happen anymore and most importantly (as explained in a documentary that i cant find right now) he was just up there jamming, playing covers, not caring or even trying to promote himself, or his latest work. he was just rocking out in front of a couple hundred million people.

and he killed it.

i love this, hope you enjoy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NN3gsSf-Ys


*edit, ok i found the part of the official NFL doc that explains it better.

[plague]

next:

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction (for someone).
The names up there are pretty legendary, then in rocks Prince.
Absolutely smashes it. The amount of ego on that stage would have been phenomenal. Yet the solo is just insane and no one dares step on his moment.

also, this is absolutely worth watching just to see the most Prince of Prince moments after hes done. Where the hell did that guitar go?

enjoy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

[plague]

last one:

Bruno Mars Super Bowl performance.


by god this bloke is great.

that voice, as evidenced when Anthony Keidis tries to jam with him.

i love Bruno Mars.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2i0Bc3f7jk

[The Dunster]

Great posts Plague. I've been a Prince fan since the late 1970's - have all the albums and never tire listening to them.

Bruno Mars is brilliant. Very unique voice and can pretty much puts his stamp on anything he sings.

[Grimario]

Happy birthday, Bon. In honour of this day, I have asked Arjen to release an album and he has done so. What a bloke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Source_(Ayreon_album)


Listening to your present now :gent:

[A.J.]

Anyone go to Protest The Hero the other night? Still pretty great even though they had to play as a 4 piece

[Bon]

Happy birthday, Bon. In honour of this day, I have asked Arjen to release an album and he has done so. What a bloke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Source_(Ayreon_album)

Listening to your present now :gent:

Cheers mate, I might have to go find it and give it a burl now..


Anyone go to Protest The Hero the other night? Still pretty great even though they had to play as a 4 piece

I had all intentions of going, however ended up having a "meet the parents" evening with the new Mrs.. haha..
How was it? I heard they had to do it 4 piece as one of the guitarists had to fly back to Canada for personal reasons..
I was a huge fan of their original bassist, Arif, but only realised he left the band semi-recently..

[Jetmaster]

Who or what the hell is that?

Ah the Rollers, yes. Hated at the time but much more appreciated down the track for their musicianship.

"We hate the Rollers, oh yes we do, and when we hear them sing, they make us spew".

Much like another that just came to mind whose TV series I am now binging on...

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/05/17/the-monkees_wide-1f3bc50b16a1851423f14dce7d4f2d69038538cd-s900-c85.jpg

Some mighty classy pop songs came from them and an amazing stable of songwriters.

Used to collect Monkees bubblegum cards and wear a Mike Nesmith woolly hat when I was 7 years old - what a twat!

[A.J.]

Cheers mate, I might have to go find it and give it a burl now..



I had all intentions of going, however ended up having a "meet the parents" evening with the new Mrs.. haha..
How was it? I heard they had to do it 4 piece as one of the guitarists had to fly back to Canada for personal reasons..
I was a huge fan of their original bassist, Arif, but only realised he left the band semi-recently..

That was the first time I've seen them. Was a bit hesitant with the sunday night show plus guitarist heading back to Canada, but they ended up running some of his parts through the PA and it sounded good, plus he is the less "shreddier' of the two. Setlist was good - one off Kezia, 2 each off Scurrilous and the new ep and the rest of the set was from Fortress and Volition. New bass player was on his first tour with them I think and seemed to be loving it - guy can definitely play

[StannyCFCJET]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISey8CPOo3Q

Judge away but Im loving their new music

[Grimario]

Judge away but Im loving their new music

You can like what you want, Stanny... no judgement from me. I love Michelle Branch and John Denver, so I can't judge anyone :gent:

[StannyCFCJET]

You can like what you want, Stanny... no judgement from me. I love Michelle Branch and John Denver, so I can't judge anyone :gent:

I loved that everywhere song by Michelle Branch and the song she did with Santana

[Grimario]

I loved that everywhere song by Michelle Branch and the song she did with Santana

Breathe is my Michelle Branch favourite.

[The Dunster]

Breathe is my Michelle Branch favourite.

Did you end up picking up a guitar ? If so, it's a very easy song to learn if you were looking for ideas of things to play.

[Grimario]

Did you end up picking up a guitar ? If so, it's a very easy song to learn if you were looking for ideas of things to play.

I got my brothers acoustic restrung a few weeks back but have had a hectic schedule and haven't had a chance to pick it up yet.

[The Dunster]

Well that Groovin the Moo shit is on again - can hear the bass notes travelling up the valley towards my place already.
Same as last year they seem to have put a ban on anyone that can actually play an instrument being allowed on stage.
I know I'm old and out of touch - but holy shit this crap is terrible. In my day we would have thrown bottles at khunts that played that poorly.

[hawk]

Well that Groovin the Moo shit is on again - can hear the bass notes travelling up the valley towards my place already.
Same as last year they seem to have put a ban on anyone that can actually play an instrument being allowed on stage.
I know I'm old and out of touch - but holy shit this crap is terrible. In my day we would have thrown bottles at khunts that played that poorly.

:rof::rof:

[StannyCFCJET]

Well that Groovin the Moo shit is on again - can hear the bass notes travelling up the valley towards my place already.
Same as last year they seem to have put a ban on anyone that can actually play an instrument being allowed on stage.
I know I'm old and out of touch - but holy shit this crap is terrible. In my day we would have thrown bottles at khunts that played that poorly.

Is all you can hear is fuzzy bass or overbearing bass drum? Seems to be how sound is set up these days

[parksey]

Slowdive have put out their first album in 22 years and it's lit - album of the year for me so far.

New At the Drive-In is also surprisingly good.

[NUGUNS]

Heard this in a Halo:CE montage. I was told its from a solid album although the person who told me that was Frodo in the ER when he couldn't remember what month it was or why he was playing in goals.

Solid song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCml8Th66mM

[Bon]

Heard this in a Halo:CE montage. I was told its from a solid album although the person who told me that was Frodo in the ER when he couldn't remember what month it was or why he was playing in goals.

Solid song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCml8Th66mM

Yeah man!!! Back when they were good..
The second that old-mate cut off his dreads, they went extremely sh!t.. (sounds familiar)..
That's their original bassist too, the dude shreds.. I think I read somewhere that he was taught to play by the one and only Les Claypool..

[online]

Did you end up picking up a guitar ? If so, it's a very easy song to learn if you were looking for ideas of things to play.

[Grimario]

Devy was awesome

[Bon]

The passing of Chris Cornell has me going back and visiting a lot of the classic early grunge and bands that influenced them..
Melvins are considered the godfathers of grunge and were a huge influence on Kurt Cobain, Soundgarden and even later bands like Tool, Dillinger Escape Plan, etc..
I know the sound/video quality is very low (came out in '93), but its just so heavy.. 1:30 of thrashin' intro, so good.. Pretty odd clip too, they are out-there interesting dudes.. haha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp5r9qwqpPc

[CecileOrt]

No matter how many years passed since this clip came out.. it hasn't lost it's actuality here (http://mega-joker-slot.com) yet.
And I don't thing it will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAi3VTSdTxU

[Bon]

Josh Homme, what a legend..
New Queens Of The Stone Age album teaser.. Brilliant..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nscGRxzH2gg

[The Dunster]

Josh Homme, what a legend..

He's got a very nice guitar collection as well. Nothing over the top rare or expensive but some really unusual things like a lot of Maton Master Sounds which most Americans would never have seen.

[Bon]

Amazing song and video by Every Time I Die from their new album Low Teens..
A bit more of a "get you in the feels" clip about their hometown of Buffalo, NY.. Makes Newy seem pretty nice.. haha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gau6SL-Xt0

[KRMakeover]

Nice info, u r provided realy very useful abt to hear.

[Mark325]

Took me a while to listen to it but new stone sour is brilliant, better album then the new slipknot 2 years back in my opinion

[Grimario]

It's old(ish) news but Dream Theater are bringing Images & Words 25th anniversary tour here. I reckon I am buying tickets and maybe treating myself to some VIP shenanigans for my birthday which is just prior to the Sydney show.

Then Portnoy just happens to be touring with the 12 Step Suite tour when I am in Perth, so might have to check that out as well.

[Alicia]

Did you hear for Dubioza Kolektiv?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5xuauDWxYw

[The Dunster]

It's old(ish) news but Dream Theater are bringing Images & Words 25th anniversary tour here. I reckon I am buying tickets and maybe treating myself to some VIP shenanigans for my birthday which is just prior to the Sydney show.

Then Portnoy just happens to be touring with the 12 Step Suite tour when I am in Perth, so might have to check that out as well.

VIP shenanigans = Coke and hookers

[Grimario]

VIP shenanigans = Coke and hookers

I am giving the VIP a miss. Tickets are $160 as it is!

[The Dunster]

I am giving the VIP a miss. Tickets are $160 as it is!

It's live music so you can't lose. $160 is pretty good as well.

[Bon]

It's old(ish) news but Dream Theater are bringing Images & Words 25th anniversary tour here. I reckon I am buying tickets and maybe treating myself to some VIP shenanigans for my birthday which is just prior to the Sydney show.

Then Portnoy just happens to be touring with the 12 Step Suite tour when I am in Perth, so might have to check that out as well.

Man, that sounds pretty awesome..
Whats this 12 Step Suite?
I've never done any of the "pay extra for VIP" stuff, what does it usually entail? Like basically just a group meet-and-greet? I'm assuming it isn't as decadent as Dunster is making out..

[Grimario]

Man, that sounds pretty awesome..
Whats this 12 Step Suite?
I've never done any of the "pay extra for VIP" stuff, what does it usually entail? Like basically just a group meet-and-greet? I'm assuming it isn't as decadent as Dunster is making out..

It's the combined 5 songs written by Portnoy and his experience with alcoholism, the name being a reference to the AA 12 steps program. They're over 5 albums over a period of 7 years.

The Glass Prison (Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence)
This Dying Soul (Train of Thought)
The Root of All Evil (Octavarium)
Repentance (Systematic Chaos)
The Shattered Fortress (Black Clouds & Silver Linings)

The Mirror from Awake was his first writing of his struggles with alcohol and drugs, a kind of prequel that's not part of the 12 Steps.


And the VIP stuff varies... Platinum includes band meet & greet, photograph with the band, signing session with the band and limited edition posters, tote bags, lanyards and all that kind of shit. Gold VIP doesn't include meet & greet. So, to meet the band, it's $160 for a ticket and $260 for VIP. $420... is that a sign? Maybe it's weed and not coke and Dunster is right?

[The Dunster]

Prostitutes are your best friends in the world while you are paying for their services. But once they are off the clock / your money runs out you are just another part of a world they have grown to hate. Paying money to meet a band and get a pic with them really is not much different.

And then there is the whole never meet your heroes thing. Uncle Lester can explain it better than me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOqo6scHOwc

[The Dunster]

Some wise words from Frank Zappa about the death of the music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0

[Bon]

Some wise words from Frank Zappa about the death of the music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0

Zappa.. What a legend..

[The Dunster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SXqHSPdQyw

I don't know whether I should be laughing or crying watching this video. Bitch not only needs a capo for something this simple she's still only playing cowboy chords at this stage of her career.
Best of all though is the fact her wireless unit does not appear to be turned on - and if it is thankfully she's not in the mix anyway [at the 15 second mark she's not even close to being in the right key]
Frank Zappa warned us and he was right.

[q-money]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/24/24FE03A500000578-2924380-image-a-16_1422068619597.jpg

still tho

[The Dunster]

I like women - no interest in little girls on yachts. How hard would it be though for someone to feed them ? They look terrible.

[q-money]

i only posted it so i could post this

http://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/03/25/meh.ro5524_455x311_487548.jpg

[The Dunster]

It's a sad time for music when everyone here knows who Taylor Swift is but very few here would recognise this lady who is probably one of the greatest musicians of all time male or female.

http://en.sonjawerner.net/media/img/x350/media/content/arbeiten/martha_argerich_2008/19_Progetto_MA_sonja-werner.jpg

[The Dunster]

i only posted it so i could post this

http://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/03/25/meh.ro5524_455x311_487548.jpg

I've been looking everywhere for that pic - it should be heritage listed.

[Jetmaster]

Some wise words from Frank Zappa about the death of the music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0

Excellent - the same can be said about British TV comedy, in the 60s/70s the heads of comedy always took a punt and some great stuff came about.

[Mark325]

Chester Bennington, lead singer of linkin park has apparently committed suicide this morning

Huge loss to me, wasn't crazy about the new album but linkin park will always be a special band in my life

[Bon]

Chester Bennington, lead singer of linkin park has apparently committed suicide this morning

Huge loss to me, wasn't crazy about the new album but linkin park will always be a special band in my life

Whilst I was never a fan of LP, the bloke was a very talented singer.. (He did some interesting stuff when filling in for Stone Temple Pilots too)
Very sad news to hear of his passing..

[Grimario]

It's the combined 5 songs written by Portnoy and his experience with alcoholism, the name being a reference to the AA 12 steps program. They're over 5 albums over a period of 7 years.

The Glass Prison (Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence)
This Dying Soul (Train of Thought)
The Root of All Evil (Octavarium)
Repentance (Systematic Chaos)
The Shattered Fortress (Black Clouds & Silver Linings)

The Mirror from Awake was his first writing of his struggles with alcohol and drugs, a kind of prequel that's not part of the 12 Steps.


And the VIP stuff varies... Platinum includes band meet & greet, photograph with the band, signing session with the band and limited edition posters, tote bags, lanyards and all that kind of shit. Gold VIP doesn't include meet & greet. So, to meet the band, it's $160 for a ticket and $260 for VIP. $420... is that a sign? Maybe it's weed and not coke and Dunster is right?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djKde1d2y60

That includes The Mirror that isn't part of it but thematically fits.



Depression is a shit of a thing. Successful career, wife and kids, doing the thing you love means **** all if your brain isn't on board. Like Bon, was never a huge fan but could see the talent there... and him joining STP, particularly the version of Wonderful that was an MP3 download staple back in the day, was... err, wonderful?

[The Dunster]

Chester Bennington, lead singer of linkin park has apparently committed suicide this morning

Huge loss to me, wasn't crazy about the new album but linkin park will always be a special band in my life

Never a good thing to see a relatively young man with three children and a wife struggle with living to the point where they can't continue.

[Grimario]

Never a good thing to see a relatively young man with three children and a wife struggle with living to the point where they can't continue.

Six children, wasn't it?

Don't know how true it was but lots of people speculating that he hadn't recovered from Cornell's death who was a close friend... and today would have been his birthday.

[Bon]

I'm not sure if I've posted this before (had a quick scan and didn't see it), but this is quite possibly the greatest Australian metal clip ever.. The song actually goes alright too..
Dead Kelly with The Legend Of Borry.. Here is Part 1.. Part 2 is another song that follows on but you need to log in to youtube as its classified as "for adults"..
This one is probably NSFW too..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3sbyesGcUE

[The Dunster]

Best Clip ever.

[Bon]

Best Clip ever.

It is amazing.. :lulzturtle:
If you can, get on to watch part 2. It is just as brilliant and continues on where this one left off..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTO_j15csw

[Bon]

Debut album out from Dead Cross.. Another supergroup with Mike Patton (Faith No More, Fantomas, Mr Bungle, Tomahawk, if you don't know him then you are living under a rock).
Also has Dave Lombardo (Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, Misfits, Fantomas) on drums..

Lots of Fantomas influence to it, but with a more hardcore/thrash overtone..
Patton is God. What a lunatic..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2MEn6Ow9uw

[Bon]

Bloody hell..
Just saw that The Tea Party are touring in November, 20 years since they released Transmission, and will be playing that album in full..
The Enmore, Sydney - 10th November..
All over it.


Anyone else get tickets to see Grinners play Guide To Better Living at the Cambo next week?

[Bon]

You see the new Mastodon clip yet, Grim??
Not my fave song off the album, but its another tripped out, odd clip..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEubrZV04b0

[hawk]

ha, havent heard this since those days. first guitar tune i took notice of. MMM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk_u7IcqJ3A

[The Dunster]

ha, havent heard this since those days. first guitar tune i took notice of. MMM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk_u7IcqJ3A

Kevin Borich in case anyone wants to know who the guitarist is.

[The Dunster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M76rIXyP60o

Slash having a go at the MMM theme.

[Grimario]

Prostitutes are your best friends in the world while you are paying for their services. But once they are off the clock / your money runs out you are just another part of a world they have grown to hate. Paying money to meet a band and get a pic with them really is not much different.

Glad I didn't buy VIP passes as I have just won tickets to the after party.

[Bon]

Glad I didn't buy VIP passes as I have just won tickets to the after party.

How did you win that??
Jammy bastard..

[Grimario]

DT fan club comp

[The Dunster]

Glad I didn't buy VIP passes as I have just won tickets to the after party.

John Petrucci would be worth meeting. Fabulous guitarist.

[Grimario]

John Petrucci would be worth meeting. Fabulous guitarist.

I was already doing that earlier in the day... there were 250 free tickets to a meet and greet at Utopia. Think I am going to give those away now.

[StannyCFCJET]

Anyone else into Neck Deep. Their new album is killer

[The Dunster]

Anyone else into Neck Deep. Their new album is killer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOwjVVSNOtY

[Grimario]

Dream Theater tonight, woooooooo.

The set list from the South Korean show looks amazing.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2017/olympic-gymnastics-arena-seoul-south-korea-7be22e80.html

[Bon]

Dream Theater tonight, woooooooo.

The set list from the South Korean show looks amazing.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2017/olympic-gymnastics-arena-seoul-south-korea-7be22e80.html

Bloody hell.. Thats massive..
Looks like you are in for an awesome night..

[Bon]

Next part of The Legend of Borry saga is out, from Dead Kelly..
Not as good as the last two, but still pretty damn awesome.. (NSFW most likely)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L63brsnHj8

[The Dunster]

Next part of The Legend of Borry saga is out, from Dead Kelly..
Not as good as the last two, but still pretty damn awesome.. (NSFW most likely)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L63brsnHj8

Brilliant Video. Songs pretty cool as well.

[skippy]

Got tickets for the Foo Fighters for the missus birthday, **** me they were expensive $160.

[Bon]

Got tickets for the Foo Fighters for the missus birthday, **** me they were expensive $160.

Ahhh mate.. Imagine the cost if you didn't get them for her though.. :thumbsup:

[evolution]

Yep forked out for some myself... on top of that tickets for The Killers go on sale next week which will be another $120 a pop

[Grimario]

last night was epic. Worth it just to see A Change of Seasons live.

[The Dunster]

I just noticed that Alice Cooper and Ace Frehley are playing at the Newcastle Entertainment Centre on 24th October 2017.

[Grimario]

Finally got around to setting up my old 5.1 speakers after PC build arrived. **** I forgot how good music was on something other than a TV or set of headphones.

[The Dunster]

Finally got around to setting up my old 5.1 speakers after PC build arrived. **** I forgot how good music was on something other than a TV or set of headphones.

Is it one of the old Logitech 5.1 systems ? The old ones were pretty awesome for music and not all that expensive either.

[Jetmaster]

Just finished refurbishing an old set of floor speakers. Bought a Kenwood system off Brian Bambach in Hunter Street for $600 back in 1981 (a tidy sum back then).

Turntable and amp still going strong.

Dragged the speakers in from the garage a couple of months ago - a reconing kit, new cloth and some classy contact paper to have them match the current decor and have put them next to my second TV. Played an LP through them and the sound was so gobsmackingly good compared to the compressed gunk I have been hearing through the soundbar in the main room.

Brought a tear to the eye.

[Macca]

Finally got around to setting up my old 5.1 speakers after PC build arrived. **** I forgot how good music was on something other than a TV or set of headphones.

I actually quite like listening to music through my headphones. Audiophiles would probably pick them apart but they go alright for me - set of Audio Technica AD700s

[Grimario]

Is it one of the old Logitech 5.1 systems ? The old ones were pretty awesome for music and not all that expensive either.

Sure are. Would have set me back about $80 at an EB Games sale 10 years ago when I bought my first PC.

And Macca, I rate my headphones as well for listening but the neighbours get a bit perturbed when I am wailing out some vocals and there's no music to cover it up.

[Bon]

How did you go at Dillinger Escape Plan on Wednesday, Monkey???
I kept an eye out for you, but didn't see you getting about..
You going down tomorrow too?

[plague]

Starting to think The Killers have overtaken Oasis as the band that has the most ‘white dude drunken singalong songs’.

Don’t mind the new stuff.
Bit different.

[evolution]

Starting to think The Killers have overtaken Oasis as the band that has the most ‘white dude drunken singalong songs’.

Don’t mind the new stuff.
Bit different.

New album not as good as Sams Town but still better than the last couple they've put out. Haven't seen them live since 2007 so looking forward to catching them again in April.

[The Dunster]

Not easy for a band to put out good material once their ships come in so to speak. The money, fame, and chicks pretty much make them forget where they came from in the first place. There are exceptions but it's rare.

Rolling Stones are probably the only band I can think of that had between eight and ten top quality full album releases back to back - Seven of those would easily make any top 200 albums of all time list. But by 1973 it was pretty much all downhill for them quality wise.

Led Zeppelin had probably six top notch full albums in a row - But after Physical Graffiti they pretty much went to shit. . Apart from those two difficult to find anyone else - maybe the beatles - but their stuff is patchy in terms of full albums.

[plague]

New album not as good as Sams Town but still better than the last couple they've put out. Haven't seen them live since 2007 so looking forward to catching them again in April.

Hot Fuss had (in a row mind) Mr Brightside, Smile Like You Mean It, Somebody Told Me and All These Things That I’ve Done.

I mean most bands would kill to have the success of one of those songs yet here they all were and (like a lot of people) it’s still not considered their best album.

[The Dunster]

Hot Fuss had (in a row mind) Mr Brightside, Smile Like You Mean It, Somebody Told Me and All These Things That I’ve Done.

I mean most bands would kill to have the success of one of those songs yet here they all were and (like a lot of people) it’s still not considered their best album.

They sound like a less depressed version of The Smiths - only nowhere near as talented.

Album wise there albums are ok but too much filler to be taken seriously - much better off buying the singles on itunes than forking out for a full album.

[evolution]

Apart from those two difficult to find anyone else - maybe the beatles - but their stuff is patchy in terms of full albums.

I'm biased... but I'll put Queen out there.

Between Sheer Heart Attack being released in 1974 and The Works in 1984 they put out 7 fantastic albums. Only Hot Space where they tried to go disco was average during that time frame. (Flash Gordon was a soundtrack so wouldn't count that).

[The Dunster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRu7Pt42x6Y&list=RDhRu7Pt42x6Y

@1:06 I get a shot away listening to that $2million guitar cut loose. Guitar now belongs to Kirk Hammet of Metalica fame - but he can't make it sing like Green could.

[Macca]

Hot Fuss had (in a row mind) Mr Brightside, Smile Like You Mean It, Somebody Told Me and All These Things That I’ve Done.

I mean most bands would kill to have the success of one of those songs yet here they all were and (like a lot of people) it’s still not considered their best album.

I'd take Hot Fuss over Sam's Town any day. Off the second, I only really know of When You Were Young and Read My Mind.

[The Dunster]

I'm biased... but I'll put Queen out there.

Between Sheer Heart Attack being released in 1974 and The Works in 1984 they put out 7 fantastic albums. Only Hot Space where they tried to go disco was average during that time frame. (Flash Gordon was a soundtrack so wouldn't count that).

I've seen Queen live with Freddie Mercury at their best and they were fabulous. But the records have a lot of filler on them, and are very tough going for a lot of people.

If I had to pick a Queen Album - A Day at the Races - just for the opening track. My favourite queen song and the bands as well - Tie Your Mother Down.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3OA9YrPI5c

[plague]

They sound like a less depressed version of The Smiths - only nowhere near as talented.


This is the hottest of hot hot takes and I award you many old people points.
May the teenagers get off your lawn and keep the noise down for eternity.

Now you guys are debating opinions, which is futile.

I’m talking something else you can actually measure, like the number of drunk white people singing along to a particular band.

For sheer volume of songs I may still have Queen in front (thx for reminding me) then prob Oasis at #2 just in front of the Killers.

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[The Dunster]

This is the hottest of hot hot takes and I award you many old people points.
May the teenagers get off your lawn and keep the noise down for eternity.

Now you guys are debating opinions, which is futile.

I’m talking something else you can actually measure, like the number of drunk white people singing along to a particular band.

For sheer volume of songs I may still have Queen in front (thx for reminding me) then prob Oasis at #2 just in front of the Killers.

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There's no debate.

Most of these songs don't have a bridge - and when they do it's pretty dire. It's all just five seconds of verse then the singer shoots his load - and it's over.

Then you have the Phil Spector influence / wall of sound which makes pretty much all these bands sound the same.

Basically, it's all too safe.

There is probably more great music today than at anytime in history - it's just not promoted as well by the Harvard MBA scum selling this stuff.

A lot of that left of field stuff Bon puts up for example is brilliant.

[WolfMan]

Just as an aside, bands have all their combined years of life experiences to draw from culminating in their first mainstream success in album form.

Then, the labels sign them to deals which for the most part reward quantity over substance.

Sophomore slump is a real thing for most acts, and it can take some time to get out of that funk.

Band of Horses is one of my faves, but Mirage Rock was putrid (4th release)

[plague]

There's no debate.

Most of these songs don't have a bridge - and when they do it's pretty dire. It's all just five seconds of verse then the singer shoots his load - and it's over.

Then you have the Phil Spector influence / wall of sound which makes pretty much all these bands sound the same.

Basically, it's all too safe.

There is probably more great music today than at anytime in history - it's just not promoted as well by the Harvard MBA scum selling this stuff.

A lot of that left of field stuff Bon puts up for example is brilliant.

you said 'its no debate' then went on to state a case.

you been hanging out with the Member too long.

there is only one absolute in life and that is that Griff.

[The Dunster]

you said 'its no debate' then went on to state a case.

you been hanging out with the Member too long.

there is only one absolute in life and that is that Griff.

You think I'm stating a preference - but I'm not.

I can't come to grips with a lot of the Scando heavy metal stuff - but totally recognise it as innovative and progressive.

The shit I'm ripping into is derivative.