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The land of the free (unless you want an abortion)
Doesn't really matter.....the woke will only find something else to implode over if the decision went the other way. They have to unhappy to be happy these days. The Woodstock generation had the attitude....no war, smoke dope, free love.
Living Thing by ELO is a classic btw.
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Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Lmfao, the people that went to Woodstock were literally the wokest people of their time.
I haven't read a reply that punched itself in the face so quickly in while, the irony is simply hilarious... "The left sucks, they should be more like "checks notes" the left, which rocks"???
I thought the exact same thing reading that comment, although I wasn't surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
It's almost similar to Conservatives complaining about how Women are oppressed in other countries and that "those people" shouldn't be allowed to do that in the Western World.
I guess it's alright so long as you're not with "those people"
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Originally Posted by Premy
Medical Procedure to Save their lives??
Good thing the statistics don't back this up
The main reason women get abortions is because they don't want to be held accountable for their actions
Yes
That's right
They were stupid enough to let someone go in raw on them and when they get knocked up they just want to rid themselves of the problem
Rape Incest all the other strawmen argument you gonna offer up don't negate the reality of women using abortion as a contraceptive to get themselves out of their responsibility
If women are entitled to walk away from their responsibility as mother's and it be celebrated then it is only fair that men who cut and run on a woman they knocked up should also be celebrated for not paying child support
What's fair for the goose is fair for the gander and all
You do realise approx 50% of states in the USA will still allow those evil people who want to kill their children to do soQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
If Tasmania was to ban people from inbreeding then it would not take much for those wishing to partake to relocate to Gosford
No different than these lazy women unable to travel interstate to kill their kids
**** you say some dumb shitQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Just when you thought it couldn’t get any lower.
Don’t talk shit about things you have zero medical knowledge about other than what you’ve taken from Twitter or read in a 2000 year old story book.
Just making an absolute goose of yourself.
Even though I fully agree and love this Stanny, it's the reaction these people are looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET
They knowingly lie and say absurd statements just to try and provoke you, then when you react they try to claim that the 'woke left' are the angry mob. Even though a) this issue is the right versus the centre/left and b) the right are the ones starting physical confrontations at protests and in this case threatening and abusing women who try to get abortions.
Member, if you want to hold people accountable for unwanted pregnancies, why not give all men a vasectomy when they become of age and then they can have the procedure reversed whenever they want to have a baby? Your argument is more than happy to control a person's body in order to stop the unwanted creation of any child, why not stop it at the source instead of after life has already been created?
Just a quick point regarding "saving womens lives".
Theres approx 46/52 states that will allow abortion if it is to save the life of the mother, even as they are advertised as "banning abortion".
Its an important distinction.
Also, pretty much the most powerful politicians in America are the Govenors (equivalent of Premiers in Oz but much more powerful).
You may be surprised to see more than a couple of Democratic states have abortion bans.
We can blame Republicans and Democrats all we like but this is much more a religious based argument once it gets down to the individuals in power.
And to be clear it should NEVER be a religious based decision.
This x1000Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
I'm going to assume you've never had a wank then? Because if you have you're racking up a personal kill count every time you do by your own logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Personally I'd be close to racking up a trillion kills by now.
"Gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers in this racket"Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
You two obviously haven't read the birds and bees book
So if life has already been created as you just saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
You are in support of killing children then
That's fine by me
Just happy you acknowledge this position unlike the rest of the Pro Child Killers who do mental gymnastics to try and hide the truth of what they support and do
Why were they the wokest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
That's a great job of not answering the question there. Instead of trying to prove or disprove any of the facts on this debate, you're just trying to add emotions to make it seem like one part of the debate is more important than the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I clearly offered an option that stopped the creation of unwanted lives (for whatever reason people have) and because the thought of someone controlling what you do with your own body horrifies you, you're too scared to even think about it. Sounds very on point for you and your side of the argument.
The right doesn't care about the lives of these kids, they've proven that by removing/weakening anything that even remotely helps mothers raise these kids after they are born or helps people prevent it from even occuring. So, trying to use the fact that lives are being lost is completely useless. The only people who can actually claim to care about these lives are the people/institutions, like planned parenthood, who are either trying to prevent unwanted pregnancies by making it easier to find education on sex and the ability to buy contraceptives OR those willing to adopt, or helping fund adoption services OR those offering assistance for new mothers/parents to help them bring the kids up. None of which are you or I.
I don't have the time or energy to teach you about Woodstock, sorry. You'll have to google that in your own time.Quote:
Originally Posted by My2BobsWorth
Ok so while we are digging down into the detail.
How many pro choice people on here are ok with late term abortions? Currently approx same amount of states that have banned abortion altogether have no time limits at all. So how many people are ok with late term abortions?
Now, dont be spineless and bring out the minor amount that actually take place. The fact is someone has said its ok to kill a pretty much fully formed kid.
I dont dig that. Others certainly do.
Tell me where you stand, because once again we have put trust in people to work out where the line is.
Personally the 22-24 week limit seems to tick the most amount of boxes, but can you scream "my body my choice" at the same time as still having a ban applied? Its not as cut and dried as some of you seem to make it.
geez, leftards ffs. your credibility was never high but that really sums you up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Some conservatives or far-right terrorists as only you woke bigots seem to always outrage about are against the big A. Pro life crosses many group ideals.
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Originally Posted by plague
I've already stated my position. It's not my body, so I shouldn't get a choice. People should be persuaded to not abort babies if a better option is available, but you can't control what someone does with their own body. The risk is too high to justify forcing pregnancy on anyone.
I would rather people use their energy trying to stop people accidentally getting pregnant in the first place, which would only leave the Abortions that every can emotionally understand and cope with (rape victims, ectopic pregnancies, underage kids, incest, etc).
Your position is very grey, it's either black or white mate
Just so we are 100% clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
You're happy to be legal forced to have a vasectomy, key word here is forced.
Been to the pub and didn't word that correctly. It's ok to have a grey position but the constitution doesn't like grey. There that's better, I'm goin to the pubQuote:
Originally Posted by My2BobsWorth
Forcing pregnancy on someone??Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
You do realise it is one of the possible consequences of sex don't you??
If people are this stupid that they don't consider the consequences of their actions then they deserve to be forced to be parents due to their own stupidity
As a man the two most valuable things you have are your signature and your seed
Any man with a clue doesn't waste either of these on women not worthy
Yes here is a simple idea that will stop unwanted pregnancies. Abstinence it is 100% fool proof
If you can't resist try some contraception it ain't like a condom is an expensive investment
Yes preciselyQuote:
Originally Posted by jim wallis
People keep assuming my position is based on religion
It ain't
It's based on I think it is pretty evil to kill kids as a form of contraception which is the reality of why the majority of abortions are done
Basically a get out of gaol free card for stupid people.
Member,
You're replies are hilarious for two reasons.
1) you're still too scared to answer any of the multiple questions people have asked you regarding this. Because you know as soon as you are asked to explain you're position it falls apart. You just keep calling people names like 'baby killer' without adding anything to the discussion.
2) you seem to be living in a fantasy world when the only people who get pregnant are adults who choose to do so. That's complete nonsense and you and everyone on your side of the argument (including the ones who like to single me out with pet names and flirting) know it.
There is a valid argument against people using Abortion as a contraceptive, but that's only one part of the issue. And instead of trying to expand on that and actually discuss it, you're just using it as a brush to paint anyone who seeks an abortion. That's something those hateful pieces of shit that picket abortion clinics do to anyone seeking help, whether that's an abortion, contraceptives, sexual education or help for an STI. There are more sides to this debate than just "killing babies", that's (for use for a better term) just childish.
I think it's safe to say that everyone would be happy if there were no abortions.
The key difference in this debate seem to be that the left wants to stop them at the source, but understands that there are circumstances that do require an abortion in order to protect people, including the baby.
The right wants to create a situation where they remove contraceptives, want to stop teaching sex education, want to force rape victims to share custody with their rapists and want to make sure that women continue to be the only thing that makes the right happy, which is a vessel to create life.
The middle ground is a huge investment in sex education, larger punishment for rape, better access to contraception, and then access to abortion to those cases that absolutely require them. I.e. The 10 yr old girl raped in Ohio 7 weeks ago that is currently having to travel across state lines to get an abortion that should have been a simple and safe procedure.
The majority of people are fine with abortions in some capacity (85% in the states versus 13% against, can't find Aus numbers but since we are a more progressive nation it would most definitely be more in favour), and since we live in a democracy the laws should be built around what the majority wants, not want the angry boomers on the right want, and especially not what the nutjobs that still believe in the bible want. The quicker religion dies out, albeit it's only happening in the first world for now, the better for society.
Well said, Mr BagginsQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Mr Frodo you know i love and respect you but this post is about as disingenuous as you can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
There is one issue here regarding the ruling: is the supreme court allowed to rule on abortion? Ansewe: no (for now).
Everything else is inconsequential to the debate.
Outside of that you have engaged with the worst person on here (who i also love and respect) and you should know better.
All those americans complaining about abortion and guns have one job in november and if they fail to even bother then they deserve the outcomes.
If public opinion is so in their favour then it should be a walk in the park to roll every single conservative politician in their path.
I look forward to the mayhem. Please join me in pointing and laughing at the lot of them.
Well, that depends on what the supreme court does with voting rights. They look poised to knock over some pretty important voting rights protections that would allow even more gerrymandering and disenfranchisement.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
I guess this debate is difficult because some of it affects AUS, and some of it affects the US. I worry about the US because parts of this country still look to them as an example to follow. So, I'd prefer if they didn't keep turning into a theocracy in order to make sure the crazies over here stay in their churches and don't affect the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
No amount of voting will help the US tho, they don't live in a democracy like us. Trumpf won the election with 3 million less votes than Hillary, Bush also lost the popular vote and still won the election. The supreme court, which has vast power, isn't elected by the people, and doesn't have term limits, so can be stacked and completely swing power to one party for decades at a time. Gerrymandering means that state leaders can hold power despite being wildly unpopular. The US unfortunately doesn't need more elections to fix it's issues, it needs an uprising, which won't happen because everyone is so financially beholden to their jobs to stay alive that they simply can't afford to cause trouble and protest. Unless your one of those army cosplay patriot groups, because they are all cops and no matter how much they **** up at their jobs the Union is simply too powerful to lose.
The changes that have been made so far to certain states were found to be irrelevant and Georgia was the most hotly contested changes yet had a record turnout at the first test of the new regs.Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
Amazingly, theres beeen no mention of an upcoming state election in our own fair country that had had boundary revisisions to 32 of its 88 electorates.
Yet we never consider that gerrymandering or voter suppression.
I guess we are just super fair and legit over here unlike those devious Yanks.
"Voting rights" is also another word for maintaining a free and fair election. I dont consider the 2020 US election rigged by any means but by everyones admission is was a shitshow and unprecedented as far as the results were concerned. Officials demanding scrutiny isnt always coated in evil intent.
Yet no mention of Australia having a Government who only 32% of people voted for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Or the balance of power in the senate being controlled by a party who almost 90% of the public didnt vote for?
Are you sure its the Americans who have the shit system?
To note, im not even going to look but no idea when the last Australian Prime Minister was in a charge of a party with a true voting majority. Scomo got in with what 30 odd and single digit help from the Nats?
Our system isn't based as heavily on only two parties like theirs. Our major parties are usually forced to do deals with smaller parties in order to get things done, which does slow down progress but it also stops them from doing anything too dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
The drop off in first choice voting for either major party is actually a good thing, cause it's shown them that the people are not happy with the direction of either party. If the US had mandatory voting I'm sure they would have a large amount of people voting for smaller parties and weakening the power of either major party as well.
Unfair to try and compare apples to oranges there Plague. Our system isn't wonderful, but it's lightyears ahead of their system and you know it.
Yeah this is the interesting part going forward for Australia. For all the assholes in the 2 party system we have, the likes of France and Israel having to continually cobble together alliances usually ends up in tears as the smaller parties have less priorities yet are more militant on the shit they care about. Our minor parties at least dont usually get in the way of shit they dont know about just for the sake of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I mean, lets just pretend Ardern isnt in cahoots with a full weirdo over there just so she can hang onto power. I dont envy that scenario either.
No doubt we have an enviable system and i think for the most part we hold the assholes to account. The next period as we inevitably head towards a republic is going to be fun too. Theres more power to be had and the grubs are already trying to game the system to suit their needs.
1 Baby Killer is pretty relevant to describe your positionQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
I don't really need to add much more to it
You choose to find it acceptable to kill children instead of using the multiple efficient ways to not getting pregnant which are available
Your position is completely piss weak and pathetic
2 Fantasy World ?? It seems more fitting to describe your position defending abortion with excuses like rape and incest which are an insignificant amount of cases it is not even a variable in the equation
The vast majority of abortions are done for
Don't want more kids as had enough already
Don't have the financial resources at present to have kids
Don't feel they are in a stable relationship to have kids
Now these things are easily dealt with if you find yourself in either of these 3 positions in life
Don't let a man jizz inside you
It not really rocket science
There is a pretty simple solution to abortion in most cases
Don't let someone go in raw inside you and blow jizz inside you
If you are silly enough to let someone do this why exactly should you be allowed to kill a child to get you away from the responsibility you should be forced to deal with??
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Originally Posted by MFKS
You've lost this argument by just repeating the same line over and over again while being too scared to answer anything else asked of you. That's why people like you are just the noisy minority and people like me are the ones everyone would rather be in charge of making policies for them.
Frodo, just incase you missed Plague’s words of wisdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Key point in this thread.