2013 NBN State League Thread

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Originally Posted by boz-monaut

at Cooks Hill we did put in massive efforts to get use of #2, only for the Council to classify it in a manner that only allows the highest State level competitions to be played there

doesn't stop rugby playing juniors there though

Cooks Hill United are committed to improving the facilities at our current ground in order to meet requirements for State League - we are keen on promotion and will do so when NNSW allows (and we're in a position to do so)

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I hope you can make it through to the NEWFM Boz but in all honesty I can't see NNSW being very keen for you to promote to State League.

Chances are that Adamstown will be in with a massive chance to win promotion this season and I'd be very surprised if they would have Magic, Olympic, Jaffas, Rosebuds and Cookers all within a blacket distance of each other. Unfortunately for the lower grade clubs, this new restructure the Fed are considering has zones that will be required to be filled to ensure that they comp is truely a Northern NSW comp rather than a Newcastle City comp.

the proposed re-structure is a bit of a concern for all clubs looking to go up - why spend all the time and effort to go up to New-FM if it's not going to be around in four years

Northern are pretty pleased with the way we run things (largest club in NNSW to be accredited etc) and would be keen on having us up there, as long as we're in a position to do so, which we currently aren't

Thats what I suspected boz you guys do a top job and seem like a very well run club. To me I think you deserve a spot in NewFM it's debatable but other than the surface you guys have better facilities then most already in NewFM. Anyway good luck this year I'm sure you guys will be we'll up there.

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Originally Posted by nbnjet

Questions need to be asked:
1. Why transfer the game to No. 2?
2. What is the tangible benefit from this transfer?
3. What is the advantage for the Fed to move this game?
4. What costs are involved with playing on No. 2?
5. Who will benefit from the costs of playing at No. 2?
6. Will No. 2 be available for future football use?
7. Will No. 2 be a regular venue for Olympic?
8. Will No. 2 have a sufficiently suitable surface for playing football during the season?
9. Who will be playing at Darling St while Olympic are at No. 2?

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From my information, Olympic were only looking at moving the first game of their season to No2. They were allocated a round of the U15 competition on the same weekend as the opening round of NBN and they thought they would host all games on the one day and have a 'Festival of Football' whereby for one admission price you could see 7 or 8 games. Not a bad I thought as the NHRU were not starting their comp until the weekend after meaniung the field would be in good condition. But after seeing this the NHRU have apparantly brought forward their competition so it starts the same weekend meaning that the U15 and opening round of NBN will not be played Sat and Sunday at Darling Street (So I have heard).

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Originally Posted by EH9

From my information, Olympic were only looking at moving the first game of their season to No2. They were allocated a round of the U15 competition on the same weekend as the opening round of NBN and they thought they would host all games on the one day and have a 'Festival of Football' whereby for one admission price you could see 7 or 8 games. Not a bad I thought as the NHRU were not starting their comp until the weekend after meaniung the field would be in good condition. But after seeing this the NHRU have apparantly brought forward their competition so it starts the same weekend meaning that the U15 and opening round of NBN will not be played Sat and Sunday at Darling Street (So I have heard).

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So why cant they have a "Festival of Football" at Darling Street? And seriously who will for one admission price, or even free entry, come and watch 7 or 8 games of football? Lets do the sums on worst case scenario, 7 games x 1.5hours equals 10.5 hours of football, so they start at 9am and finish at 7.30pm. Wow that is a mighty big day of football. Now lets go worst case scenario, 8 games x 2hours (1h 45mins for the game and 15mins warm up before hand) equals 16 hours of football. Start at 7am and finish at 11pm. WOW now that is a massive "Festival of Football". Who has the time, commitment, or even patience to watch so many games...

You see even the worst case scenario does not make sense. This festival of football does not make sense. A full days hire of No. 2 does not make sense. Im sorry but i just dont see it and i stand by my earlier comments i think there is more at play here than meets the eye. What does make sense is having a festival of football at Darling Street where there are two fields that could be utilised to cut the play time by a third at least leaving only the top three of four grades to play one the main field with no other games on the other.

I had also heard this was all about getting a foothold on No. 2. People, wake up and smell the roses. The NRU have been a part of the construction of the facility and it was all their lobbying that got the project started. It is a NRU project in NCC colours. Football looks like fools for trying to get a game on it. The NRU admin is located there. The NRU sponsor signs are permanently attached to the facility. The funding was attributed to the Council on the back of NRU submissions. Jodie Mackay made announcements together with and always inclusive of NRU. I have to say i feel terrible for Cooks Hill as they progress their club they will not have the opportunity to play on a suitable ground for State League once and if they get there.

I will also point out that once the NRU starts playing on the pitch, the field will be unplayable for football. Give it one wet weekend and lets see how the NRU treats the field. Of course i still have a bad feeling that if Olympic go to No. 2, who will be knocking on the door of NCC to gain access to Darling Street. Advice to Olympic, be careful with the political games you play as the NRU are not silly and they would love to claim two grounds on Darling Street...

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Originally Posted by nbnjet

So why cant they have a "Festival of Football" at Darling Street? And seriously who will for one admission price, or even free entry, come and watch 7 or 8 games of football? Lets do the sums on worst case scenario, 7 games x 1.5hours equals 10.5 hours of football, so they start at 9am and finish at 7.30pm. Wow that is a mighty big day of football. Now lets go worst case scenario, 8 games x 2hours (1h 45mins for the game and 15mins warm up before hand) equals 16 hours of football. Start at 7am and finish at 11pm. WOW now that is a massive "Festival of Football". Who has the time, commitment, or even patience to watch so many games...

You see even the worst case scenario does not make sense. This festival of football does not make sense. A full days hire of No. 2 does not make sense. Im sorry but i just dont see it and i stand by my earlier comments i think there is more at play here than meets the eye. What does make sense is having a festival of football at Darling Street where there are two fields that could be utilised to cut the play time by a third at least leaving only the top three of four grades to play one the main field with no other games on the other.

I had also heard this was all about getting a foothold on No. 2. People, wake up and smell the roses. The NRU have been a part of the construction of the facility and it was all their lobbying that got the project started. It is a NRU project in NCC colours. Football looks like fools for trying to get a game on it. The NRU admin is located there. The NRU sponsor signs are permanently attached to the facility. The funding was attributed to the Council on the back of NRU submissions. Jodie Mackay made announcements together with and always inclusive of NRU. I have to say i feel terrible for Cooks Hill as they progress their club they will not have the opportunity to play on a suitable ground for State League once and if they get there.

I will also point out that once the NRU starts playing on the pitch, the field will be unplayable for football. Give it one wet weekend and lets see how the NRU treats the field. Of course i still have a bad feeling that if Olympic go to No. 2, who will be knocking on the door of NCC to gain access to Darling Street. Advice to Olympic, be careful with the political games you play as the NRU are not silly and they would love to claim two grounds on Darling Street...

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Having the one price does not mean you have to watch every game.
As regards No2. the fact is that most of the grants/money came from the state government. And as such it is a community facility not just Union, even though they have their headquarters there, or main ground at least. As with most facilities, Part of the terms of obtaining funding was that all and everybody can use it (particularly soccer) but once the facility is biult then soccer is not allowed on or in limited circumstances.

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Originally Posted by De-Champ

Having the one price does not mean you have to watch every game.
As regards No2. the fact is that most of the grants/money came from the state government. And as such it is a community facility not just Union, even though they have their headquarters there, or main ground at least. As with most facilities, Part of the terms of obtaining funding was that all and everybody can use it (particularly soccer) but once the facility is biult then soccer is not allowed on or in limited circumstances.

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True we dont have to watch all games, but why do we charge for 15s??? I didnt realise we had to pay to watch them and im not sure if other clubs would welcome this, and to be honest i dont think it is right either. So in reality the festival of football is not a festivall of football at all, its just an excuse to get on No. 2. So whats the point???

Yes the money came from Council / State Gov. But so did the money for nearly all of our football facilities, with the exception of Magic who largely invested their own funds and resources to the Wanderers Park facility. There may be others but i am unaware of anyone who has invested so much into a facility, Edgy giving it a good shot though. Dont forget that Gov funds nearly every sport that you can think of and develops their facilities. We do not have a god given right to claim facilities because Gov built them. If this was the case we may find that we will lose a lot of facilities.

A community facility is indeed a community facility, but so is Newcastle Library and Merewether Baths but we cant play football there can we, or in city hall for that fact. So not all facilities are equal and not all facilities are built solely for one sport but some are. As i said with nearly every facility around, they are either council owned and council administered, or state owned and council administered, or state owned and state administered. But in reality you cant have all sports on all fields. How would Olympic feel if Rugby Union or League wanted to play on Darling Street, or at Magic, or Edgy, or Southy, or Weston, or Adamstown?

And true they may have claimed that the facility as per the article below but have a look at the NRU comments, ‘‘all news to us’’. You see it was not built for all sports, and definitely not for football, regardless of the comments that may have insinuated that.

And how stupid do we look with Alan Nisbet:
NNSWF operations manager Alan Nisbet had hoped rugby and soccer could use the ground on alternate weeks. NNSWF put in submissions to use the ground on behalf of its state league, top-flight club Hamilton Olympic, third-tier team Cooks Hill, Women’s Premier League outfit Merewether and the Jets. But Nisbet said it would be ‘‘very difficult’’ to have the ground ready for top-grade soccer a day after rugby union matches had been played on it every week. ‘‘We don’t see it being as quite a viable option as we had hoped for,’’ Nisbet said.

Helooooo. Olympic, Cookshill, Womens Premier League, Jets (Youth, Womens, Development Teams). You need 4 fields sat and sun every weekend to cater for all those teams. And we contributed nothing to the facility so why would they let us use it? And Con Gounis just tops it off. I have never known Darling Street to not be able to cater to a derby match, especially the season opener against Lakes. They may as well move it to Hunter Stadium...

And the all important quote "Wanderers are the only guaranteed tenants this winter. The use of the ground by other groups will depend on the growth of the new turf." This was of course for last year but tell me who thinks it will ever change now?

Herald article: http://www.theherald.com.au/story/41...-sportsground/

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The Knights will play some NSW Cup matches at the ground in winter and the Jets youth and W-League sides will call the ground home in the summer.
Northern NSW Football has been given permission to use the ground on Sundays and will allow its top-tier state league clubs to make submissions to host matches there.
When told yesterday that the Knights and NNSWF had been given permission to use the ground on Sundays, NHRU general manager Fenton Coull said it was ‘‘all news to us’’.
‘‘We were hoping to use it on the odd Sunday but at the moment we haven’t heard back from council,’’ he said.
‘‘For instance, there was a Sunday in late April we were hoping to host a junior carnival there and we’re just hoping that’s still OK.’’
The NHRU and Wanderers made financial contributions to the redevelopment and Coull said rugby contacts used in the earthmoving works had saved the council about $250,000.
Council recreation advisory committee chairman Nuatali Nelmes said the ground had to cater for all sports.
‘‘It was built not just for rugby,’’ Nelmes said.
‘‘It’s been the traditional home of rugby and Newcastle and Hunter Rugby will have their offices there, but that’s only part of it.
‘‘The ground was always built for the use of everybody, especially all those sports that don’t fit into Hunter Stadium.’’
NNSWF operations manager Alan Nisbet had hoped rugby and soccer could use the ground on alternate weeks.
NNSWF put in submissions to use the ground on behalf of its state league, top-flight club Hamilton Olympic, third-tier team Cooks Hill, Women’s Premier League outfit Merewether and the Jets.
But Nisbet said it would be ‘‘very difficult’’ to have the ground ready for top-grade soccer a day after rugby union matches had been played on it every week.
‘‘We don’t see it being as quite a viable option as we had hoped for,’’ Nisbet said.
Hamilton Olympic secretary Con Gounis said his club hoped to play some of its derby matches at the bigger-capacity ground and was still open to the possibility.
Wanderers are the only guaranteed tenants this winter. The use of the ground by other groups will depend on the growth of the new turf.

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Originally Posted by boz-monaut

the proposed re-structure is a bit of a concern for all clubs looking to go up - why spend all the time and effort to go up to New-FM if it's not going to be around in four years

Northern are pretty pleased with the way we run things (largest club in NNSW to be accredited etc) and would be keen on having us up there, as long as we're in a position to do so, which we currently aren't

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Restructure of the comp is a disaster. We will not be rewarding clubs for their abilities on and off the field. Promotion, relegation are a must in my opinion. This restructure will only promote politics in our code.

Cooks hill will be left behind if the restructure goes ahead, and that would be a shame. No matter how pleased Northern are, Cooks Hill will be shafted!

I think you will find that Adamstown has also spent a huge amount on "its" ground, probably if the truth were known more than magic or Edgeworth, but lets not argue that point. However just for your information, magic's ground was initially developed with grants from the government.
By the way you lost me with your point about merewether bars and the library, I was unaware football was played in either of them.

I do not understand why you are so against a festival of football. By analogy if they held a food and wine festival, would you be against it becasue you felt you had to visit every exhibit and stay the whole day?
They should be commended with coming up/trying to implement something which is different and which may advance the code locally.

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Originally Posted by De-Champ

I think you will find that Adamstown has also spent a huge amount on "its" ground, probably if the truth were known more than magic or Edgeworth, but lets not argue that point. However just for your information, magic's ground was initially developed with grants from the government.
By the way you lost me with your point about merewether bars and the library, I was unaware football was played in either of them.

I do not understand why you are so against a festival of football. By analogy if they held a food and wine festival, would you be against it becasue you felt you had to visit every exhibit and stay the whole day?
They should be commended with coming up/trying to implement something which is different and which may advance the code locally.

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Lets argue the point i say! I can only go off info i have read or been told, and from what i am aware of both Edgy and Magic have contributed a huge amount outside of Gov funding. Show me a ground that hasnt had public funds devoted to it, but once again from all accounts the Gov funding of Wanderers Park is only minimal, unless you can advise otherwise? In saying that Weston may have foot half the bill for their lights a few years ago, no mean feat i must say. But Adamstown? Mate, what do you take me for? Adamstown spent a huge amount on their ground? You have to be kidding. From what was published in the herald i understand they got $140000 from Newcastle City Council to upgrade their lights and develop their training facility behind the main field. The grandstand was built for them. The field has always been maintained by NCC and i believe there is a semi permanent groundsman based there, or even two at times. They had care and control of all funds raised by the Adamstown No. 1 grounds committee that was packed with Adamstown people and who masterly denied other teams like Olympic the chance to play on the field when they needed to. And they spent council monies accordingly. How good would it have been for all clubs to be able to get their money back and reinvest on their own facilities. Now apart from that the canteen, which has been there longer than sliced bread, but not as long as the old entrance, i think they actually may have spent up big on the ticket box! Give me a break. Tell me where they have spent money on the facility? Im all for everybody having an opinion on this site but not for telling porkies.

IF I AM WRONG IM HAPPY TO TAKE THE CRITICISM, BUT I DONT MAKE UP STUFF!

Library / Baths, point being exactly that football is not played there yet it is Gov funded... Just because Gov funds something doesnt mean its open to whoever wants it. Just because there are a few blades of grass around the place doesnt mean that football has a right to it!

I am NOT against a wine and food festival. Sorry i will start again. I am not against a football festival. Lets get this straight i am against using No. 2, especially Olympic using No.2 sports ground. I can see Cooks Hill have a far greater argument for using No.2 but once again it belongs to NRU so there is no point fighting that, and there is no point poking the sleeping giant because as we give up a ground guess who will move in? I do however believe a football festival will not bring a mass of crowds that would justify Olympic moving to No.2 or even a Derby match that will justify a move to No.2. I cant see why they would waste monies when they can play on their own home territory, and lets face it by moving there they are giving up a home advantage. I cant help but feel they may have conjured this up with Northern via Alan Nesbit.

Have the festival but for crying out loud have it at Darling Street...

For the record i do like wine and food festivals, but i have not spent 16 hours at one, not even Octoberfest if it counts. And yes i will stroll around and pay particular attention to what catches my eye. BUT i cannot see people being at the football from morning till late just because we call the day a "festival of Football". If it was the World Cup NO PROBLEM, but seriously... If you have a 15 year old you will know they have so many other priorities too, not to mention taking the sister to netball, the other brother to Cessnock for another game. Hats off to those who will stay the whole day but apart from the committee you will be able to count them on one hand. And there is nothing new about playing football all day, plenty of clubs have played juniors before the main grades when they have had to, but i can guarantee you that with overuse of surfaces these types of events would not be a positive from the ground quality perspective. Imagine its a wet day and this festival of football digs up the ground for the NRU? Will a deserving local club like Cooks Hill ever get a chance to play on it if that is there dream?

Justify why playing a festival of football on No.2 from morning to night will advance the code?a

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Originally Posted by nbnjet

Lets argue the point i say! I can only go off info i have read or been told, and from what i am aware of both Edgy and Magic have contributed a huge amount outside of Gov funding. Show me a ground that hasnt had public funds devoted to it, but once again from all accounts the Gov funding of Wanderers Park is only minimal, unless you can advise otherwise? In saying that Weston may have foot half the bill for their lights a few years ago, no mean feat i must say. But Adamstown? Mate, what do you take me for? Adamstown spent a huge amount on their ground? You have to be kidding. From what was published in the herald i understand they got $140000 from Newcastle City Council to upgrade their lights and develop their training facility behind the main field. The grandstand was built for them. The field has always been maintained by NCC and i believe there is a semi permanent groundsman based there, or even two at times. They had care and control of all funds raised by the Adamstown No. 1 grounds committee that was packed with Adamstown people and who masterly denied other teams like Olympic the chance to play on the field when they needed to. And they spent council monies accordingly. How good would it have been for all clubs to be able to get their money back and reinvest on their own facilities. Now apart from that the canteen, which has been there longer than sliced bread, but not as long as the old entrance, i think they actually may have spent up big on the ticket box! Give me a break. Tell me where they have spent money on the facility? Im all for everybody having an opinion on this site but not for telling porkies.

IF I AM WRONG IM HAPPY TO TAKE THE CRITICISM, BUT I DONT MAKE UP STUFF!

Library / Baths, point being exactly that football is not played there yet it is Gov funded... Just because Gov funds something doesnt mean its open to whoever wants it. Just because there are a few blades of grass around the place doesnt mean that football has a right to it!

I am NOT against a wine and food festival. Sorry i will start again. I am not against a football festival. Lets get this straight i am against using No. 2, especially Olympic using No.2 sports ground. I can see Cooks Hill have a far greater argument for using No.2 but once again it belongs to NRU so there is no point fighting that, and there is no point poking the sleeping giant because as we give up a ground guess who will move in? I do however believe a football festival will not bring a mass of crowds that would justify Olympic moving to No.2 or even a Derby match that will justify a move to No.2. I cant see why they would waste monies when they can play on their own home territory, and lets face it by moving there they are giving up a home advantage. I cant help but feel they may have conjured this up with Northern via Alan Nesbit.

Have the festival but for crying out loud have it at Darling Street...

For the record i do like wine and food festivals, but i have not spent 16 hours at one, not even Octoberfest if it counts. And yes i will stroll around and pay particular attention to what catches my eye. BUT i cannot see people being at the football from morning till late just because we call the day a "festival of Football". If it was the World Cup NO PROBLEM, but seriously... If you have a 15 year old you will know they have so many other priorities too, not to mention taking the sister to netball, the other brother to Cessnock for another game. Hats off to those who will stay the whole day but apart from the committee you will be able to count them on one hand. And there is nothing new about playing football all day, plenty of clubs have played juniors before the main grades when they have had to, but i can guarantee you that with overuse of surfaces these types of events would not be a positive from the ground quality perspective. Imagine its a wet day and this festival of football digs up the ground for the NRU? Will a deserving local club like Cooks Hill ever get a chance to play on it if that is there dream?

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Well said.

have no knowledge on no.2 but trying to play football on a ground where thugby or union share is near on impossible. Look at valo and trona 2nd half of season their grounds looks like a minefield.

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Originally Posted by nbnjet

Lets argue the point i say! I can only go off info i have read or been told, and from what i am aware of both Edgy and Magic have contributed a huge amount outside of Gov funding. Show me a ground that hasnt had public funds devoted to it, but once again from all accounts the Gov funding of Wanderers Park is only minimal, unless you can advise otherwise? In saying that Weston may have foot half the bill for their lights a few years ago, no mean feat i must say. But Adamstown? Mate, what do you take me for? Adamstown spent a huge amount on their ground? You have to be kidding. From what was published in the herald i understand they got $140000 from Newcastle City Council to upgrade their lights and develop their training facility behind the main field. The grandstand was built for them. The field has always been maintained by NCC and i believe there is a semi permanent groundsman based there, or even two at times. They had care and control of all funds raised by the Adamstown No. 1 grounds committee that was packed with Adamstown people and who masterly denied other teams like Olympic the chance to play on the field when they needed to. And they spent council monies accordingly. How good would it have been for all clubs to be able to get their money back and reinvest on their own facilities. Now apart from that the canteen, which has been there longer than sliced bread, but not as long as the old entrance, i think they actually may have spent up big on the ticket box! Give me a break. Tell me where they have spent money on the facility? Im all for everybody having an opinion on this site but not for telling porkies.

IF I AM WRONG IM HAPPY TO TAKE THE CRITICISM, BUT I DONT MAKE UP STUFF!

Library / Baths, point being exactly that football is not played there yet it is Gov funded... Just because Gov funds something doesnt mean its open to whoever wants it. Just because there are a few blades of grass around the place doesnt mean that football has a right to it!

I am NOT against a wine and food festival. Sorry i will start again. I am not against a football festival. Lets get this straight i am against using No. 2, especially Olympic using No.2 sports ground. I can see Cooks Hill have a far greater argument for using No.2 but once again it belongs to NRU so there is no point fighting that, and there is no point poking the sleeping giant because as we give up a ground guess who will move in? I do however believe a football festival will not bring a mass of crowds that would justify Olympic moving to No.2 or even a Derby match that will justify a move to No.2. I cant see why they would waste monies when they can play on their own home territory, and lets face it by moving there they are giving up a home advantage. I cant help but feel they may have conjured this up with Northern via Alan Nesbit.

Have the festival but for crying out loud have it at Darling Street...

For the record i do like wine and food festivals, but i have not spent 16 hours at one, not even Octoberfest if it counts. And yes i will stroll around and pay particular attention to what catches my eye. BUT i cannot see people being at the football from morning till late just because we call the day a "festival of Football". If it was the World Cup NO PROBLEM, but seriously... If you have a 15 year old you will know they have so many other priorities too, not to mention taking the sister to netball, the other brother to Cessnock for another game. Hats off to those who will stay the whole day but apart from the committee you will be able to count them on one hand. And there is nothing new about playing football all day, plenty of clubs have played juniors before the main grades when they have had to, but i can guarantee you that with overuse of surfaces these types of events would not be a positive from the ground quality perspective. Imagine its a wet day and this festival of football digs up the ground for the NRU? Will a deserving local club like Cooks Hill ever get a chance to play on it if that is there dream?

Justify why playing a festival of football on No.2 from morning to night will advance the code?a

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For your information $60,000 or so was spent last year alone with no funding/grants form the government or whoever. The 140k you refer to was years ago, just as years ago magic's ground was developed mainly with funding/grants. Nowadays it is maintained by their own funding just as many other grounds are.
I still do not get your pont with libraries etc, anyone can use them, i don't know of anyone who has been refused entry to a library or baths (except when they are emptying them out) but what has this got to do with football.
It seems to me you have a beef with Olympic.
No where have I said or has Olympic said that you have to stay the whole day at the festival of football. Just as you mentioned plenty of other clubs have football games on all day, why can't Olympic. Or is it you just do not like the idea of Olympic trying to get onto no. 2.

All of this would have been solved a few years ago if the Federation had any ambition under the Garry Screen regime.

All they done was sit on their hands and their millions$ while the Greyhound authority stole our ground, Breakers Stadium. They got it for a song and the Federation done nothing!!

Now they are going cap in hand to the Government to put in some poxy 5 a side courts at the Macquarie complex when they could have had their own Stadium. We could have had all our Grand Finals there, rep squads training out of it and playing all their games there as well. In other words a home for Football.

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Originally Posted by shagga

All of this would have been solved a few years ago if the Federation had any ambition under the Garry Screen regime.

All they done was sit on their hands and their millions$ while the Greyhound authority stole our ground, Breakers Stadium. They got it for a song and the Federation done nothing!!

Now they are going cap in hand to the Government to put in some poxy 5 a side courts at the Macquarie complex when they could have had their own Stadium. We could have had all our Grand Finals there, rep squads training out of it and playing all their games there as well. In other words a home for Football.

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That would have been the logical choice, as there was all that land next door (which at the time the owners were willng to sell some to the Breakers for training fields, but never eventuated) the problem at the time was that when the federation were based at the "Breakers" they decided to spend their money on a head offfcie of their own at hexham.

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Originally Posted by De-Champ

For your information $60,000 or so was spent last year alone with no funding/grants form the government or whoever. The 140k you refer to was years ago, just as years ago magic's ground was developed mainly with funding/grants. Nowadays it is maintained by their own funding just as many other grounds are.

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Magic's ground mainly developed through grants? Sure... lets break it down once again... Watering System $40K, Lighting $40, Miscellaneous small grants totalling up to $12K since 2000... total= $92K ... Shit money goes far in Broadmeadow, from a flat paddock to a FIFA Certified International Training venue... Oh i almost forgot the 2 shade shelters built from the work for the dole scheme...

FYI- the 60K apparently spent last season on the 'ground' of that over 45K was contributed from the Tinkler lunch at the NJC, its good to have Baartzy in high places.

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Originally Posted by De-Champ

Nowadays it is maintained by their own funding just as many other grounds are.

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I would be very interested to know which clubs maintain their own fields and facilities with no contributions or assistance directly from NCC and the budgets they require for the maintenance of their playing surfaces.

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Originally Posted by The Magician

Magic's ground mainly developed through grants? Sure... lets break it down once again... Watering System $40K, Lighting $40, Miscellaneous small grants totalling up to $12K since 2000... total= $92K ... Shit money goes far in Broadmeadow, from a flat paddock to a FIFA Certified International Training venue... Oh i almost forgot the 2 shade shelters built from the work for the dole scheme...

FYI- the 60K apparently spent last season on the 'ground' of that over 45K was contributed from the Tinkler lunch at the NJC, its good to have Baartzy in high places.

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Hang on you forgot one important income stream????

10 years times $20,000 income from having the Grand Final every year, $200,000? I'm being conservative there by the way.

The only people who get 20K from the grand final is the Federation

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Originally Posted by The Magician

The only people who get 20K from the grand final is the Federation

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ha ha ha stop it, ha ha ha, stop it.

Please!!

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Originally Posted by De-Champ

For your information $60,000 or so was spent last year alone with no funding/grants form the government or whoever. The 140k you refer to was years ago, just as years ago magic's ground was developed mainly with funding/grants. Nowadays it is maintained by their own funding just as many other grounds are.
I still do not get your pont with libraries etc, anyone can use them, i don't know of anyone who has been refused entry to a library or baths (except when they are emptying them out) but what has this got to do with football.
It seems to me you have a beef with Olympic.
No where have I said or has Olympic said that you have to stay the whole day at the festival of football. Just as you mentioned plenty of other clubs have football games on all day, why can't Olympic. Or is it you just do not like the idea of Olympic trying to get onto no. 2.

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I think i have answered a lot of your questions and yet i have asked very little from you. I would you to answer this for me please: Justify why playing a festival of football on No.2 from morning to night will advance the code?

Dont worry about the Baths and Libraries... Either im not explaining it right or you dont get it.

I have no gripe about Olympic, far from it, except for their fascination with No.2. I have repeatedly said they have a clean and tidy facility and i find it strange that they want to move away from there. I am more concerned that if they get on No.2 they will lose Darling Street to another code. Not a good swap in my eyes. No.2 is not a far superior facility that people think it is. Further i know Olympic asked to use Adamstown several years ago and were turned back by Adamstown, and i believe that was totally unjustified, but if your in the loop at Adamstown you should know this, and it was common knowledge. I do however think they can improve in many areas, some of which i know first hand, particularly IMO their policies when selecting teams, but not limited to this.

I do however have a preference for the work that Edgeworth are doing and the hard work they are putting in to the game, as is many other a club, including Southy and Magic and these guys should be applauded for what they are doing. Edgy still have a way to go to challenge for the State League GF but they are definately headed in the right direction, and lets face it the club with the best facility, or near enough, should get the GF. Also a mention for a heap of work Weston does off field. And from what i have seen recently a very progressive Cooks Hill. Im all for moving forward.

Lets get this straight. I have said it too many times now and you are not listening, you are trying to muddy the waters by not accepting what i have said. You do not need to agree but do not play me for a fool.

I DO NOT like the idea of Olympic playing on No.2 Sports Ground. Let me say it again. I DO NOT like the idea of Olympic playing on No.2 Sports Ground. I have justified this many times including the fact that they have a perfectly good State League quality ground at Darling Street, they have a great playing surface, they have two fields at Darling Street, it is their home ground, they have ample room for any fixtures they hold at the ground including derbys and semi finals, they have a great canteen, and yet i have heard NOT ONE SINGLE POINT OF VIEW that justifies that moving games to No.2 sports ground will be a positive for Olympic OR EVEN THE CODE.

If anyone should be playing at No.2 it should be Cooks Hill, but once again i feel this is a NRU ground and we are wasting valuable time and friends trying to muscle them off. Northern should be helping the clubs get funding and lobbying on their behalf for funds and assisting them with cheap practical initiatives to improve their facilitates. Lets forget about No.2. It wont happen.

Now to Adamstown. They received funding for the upgrade of their lights and the installation of their training facility on the back side of their ground. The funding was $140'000. Yes thats right i will spell it out for you ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS. Who gets that sort of funding? Plus i believe they received a top up to complete the training field, maybe something to do with drainage? Are you in the loop, can you confirm? The lights and training field were only completed at the beginning of last year, so this does not count as "years ago". Can you tell me what clubs have received $140'000 in their history let alone in the last couple years?

Tell me what did they spend $60'000 on? This is a large amount of money and i cant say i have seen anything at the ground which can justify a $60'000 spend? Can anyone else?

As for Magic i think most people would agree the facility was built primarily by the Magic community. Lets say FOR EXAMPLE they have received $200'000 worth of funding since they began the facility taking it over after Wanderers Rugby left many years earlier because it was a swamp. They put up lighting last year worth $250'000 dollars. Ok so now as part of this example they have used up all the funding that the Gov has given them. But Wait. What did they build the clubhouse with? And what did they build the second grandstand with? And how in gods name did they drain and irrigate and grass their field. Lets be fair here i could say the same for most of Edgeworth as well. I think you are being totally unreasonable with your statements, they lack fact, and i am thinking they are obviously directed to discredit hard working clubs for who knows what reason.

Can you tell me in fact how Magic mainly built their facility from Gov funding? Lets not beat around the bush here. You are making unjustified statements and should be able to back them up with fact, and if you cant i would think the forum administrators might give you a holiday because the clubs who you slander might not take lightly to unfactual dribble.

Quite frankly i would love to see all clubs develop and move forward, but it is not reasonable to knock those that have put the hard work in. You have made many a throw away lines with no facts or figures. Time to put up or shut up in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by shagga

Hang on you forgot one important income stream????

10 years times $20,000 income from having the Grand Final every year, $200,000? I'm being conservative there by the way.

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Didnt know the facility was that old and had that many GFs. $20k is just a guess though is it not? Or is it factual? Maybe Northerns new facility will accommodate the GF in the future? After they spend $7M you would think it will. Well IMO Magic probably deserve what ever they make on GF day as where ever they go their crowd goes and its always a bumper day and no doubt a money spinner for the home club. I do think at GF they always seem to have huge support, as does Southy every year.

Assuming they receive a conservative made up amount of $20k each year, over ten years if that is correct, will make $200k. Now that covers their lights that they put up with only $40k of Gov funding and i think that project cost them $250k. So just as most other clubs have had their lights put in for them by either council or sport and rec, lets call it even now. GF at Edgy next year and we can do the rounds around all the clubs after that.

Just on GF Edgy got Semis and GFs from other divisions, as did Adamstown, Olympic, and Lambton Jaffas if i recall correctly. So Income streams all round wouldnt you say?

Not entirely sure if the first GF at Wanderers was in 2005 or 2006.

In regards to other comments about Magic and wanderers, the maintenance and works are totally managed by Broadmeadow Magic with a budget per annum that most top club's use on their playing squad. Many other clubs have received substantial hand outs from local and state government which is fantastic, Magic's hosting of the GF is just rewards for investing club funds into its own facilities. As more and more clubs follow they will be and are starting to be rewarded for their efforts hosting premier events. Before Wanderers for how many years was the grand final held at Edgeworth or Speers Point and what investment was directed into improving those facilities. None, clubs have only been actively improving their facilities in the last 2 years because they might feel they are now so far 'behind'.

FYI the works carried out at Wanderers Oval by Broadmeadow Magic alone is valued at over 5 million $$$ to replace as new as is. No2 was apparently built for $7.5M


Any conversations on GF profits are grossly off the mark. If clubs relied on hosting grand finals to post a profit maybe they should enrol themselves into a WEA business management course. The amount of preparation, organisation and work that goes into hosting the day are rarely taken into consideration, all of the 65+ volunteers that Magic rope in to work at the GF would rather spend their day cheering on their boys getting on the turps. Im sure the host club would rather collect the gate takings and have the Fed run the canteens.


Clubs should instead be trying to reign in exploding player wages and reinvest those funds into their facilities, or junior development and coaching.

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Originally Posted by nbnjet

Can you tell me what clubs have received $140'000 in their history let alone in the last couple years?

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I know Swansea got around the $400,000 mark for a new club house and surface but that was all concil work and for the juniors as well Warnersbay got a substantial amount too. I will admit but $140,000 to be spent on a senior club is strange and I'm sure most clubs would be sceaming injustices that there is not that sort of money coming there way.

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Originally Posted by The Magician

Not entirely sure if the first GF at Wanderers was in 2005 or 2006.

In regards to other comments about Magic and wanderers, the maintenance and works are totally managed by Broadmeadow Magic with a budget per annum that most top club's use on their playing squad. Many other clubs have received substantial hand outs from local and state government which is fantastic, Magic's hosting of the GF is just rewards for investing club funds into its own facilities. As more and more clubs follow they will be and are starting to be rewarded for their efforts hosting premier events. Before Wanderers for how many years was the grand final held at Edgeworth or Speers Point and what investment was directed into improving those facilities. None, clubs have only been actively improving their facilities in the last 2 years because they might feel they are now so far 'behind'.

FYI the works carried out at Wanderers Oval by Broadmeadow Magic alone is valued at over 5 million $$$ to replace as new as is. No2 was apparently built for $7.5M


Any conversations on GF profits are grossly off the mark. If clubs relied on hosting grand finals to post a profit maybe they should enrol themselves into a WEA business management course. The amount of preparation, organisation and work that goes into hosting the day are rarely taken into consideration, all of the 65+ volunteers that Magic rope in to work at the GF would rather spend their day cheering on their boys getting on the turps. Im sure the host club would rather collect the gate takings and have the Fed run the canteens.


Clubs should instead be trying to reign in exploding player wages and reinvest those funds into their facilities, or junior development and coaching.

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I agree 100% but as long as we have promotion and relegation this will never happen. Clubs are being held to ransome by players and the game is moving in the wong direction when it comes to this side of things.

Clubs are concerned that if they spend $100k on their ground it will leave them without the folding gear to support a side that will be strong enough to stay in State League.

This is an area the Fed could look at.

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Originally Posted by The Magician

Not entirely sure if the first GF at Wanderers was in 2005 or 2006.

In regards to other comments about Magic and wanderers, the maintenance and works are totally managed by Broadmeadow Magic with a budget per annum that most top club's use on their playing squad. Many other clubs have received substantial hand outs from local and state government which is fantastic, Magic's hosting of the GF is just rewards for investing club funds into its own facilities. As more and more clubs follow they will be and are starting to be rewarded for their efforts hosting premier events. Before Wanderers for how many years was the grand final held at Edgeworth or Speers Point and what investment was directed into improving those facilities. None, clubs have only been actively improving their facilities in the last 2 years because they might feel they are now so far 'behind'.

FYI the works carried out at Wanderers Oval by Broadmeadow Magic alone is valued at over 5 million $$$ to replace as new as is. No2 was apparently built for $7.5M


Any conversations on GF profits are grossly off the mark. If clubs relied on hosting grand finals to post a profit maybe they should enrol themselves into a WEA business management course. The amount of preparation, organisation and work that goes into hosting the day are rarely taken into consideration, all of the 65+ volunteers that Magic rope in to work at the GF would rather spend their day cheering on their boys getting on the turps. Im sure the host club would rather collect the gate takings and have the Fed run the canteens.

Clubs should instead be trying to reign in exploding player wages and reinvest those funds into their facilities, or junior development and coaching.

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Good to hear, so there will be no arguments from Magic, when Edgy get the GF this year ?

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Originally Posted by zico

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i agree 100% but as long as we have promotion and relegation this will never happen. Clubs are being held to ransome by players and the game is moving in the wong direction when it comes to this side of things.

Clubs are concerned that if they spend $100k on their ground it will leave them without the folding gear to support a side that will be strong enough to stay in state league.

This is an area the fed could look at.

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salary cap

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Originally Posted by The Magician

Magic's ground mainly developed through grants? Sure... lets break it down once again... Watering System $40K, Lighting $40, Miscellaneous small grants totalling up to $12K since 2000... total= $92K ... Shit money goes far in Broadmeadow, from a flat paddock to a FIFA Certified International Training venue... Oh i almost forgot the 2 shade shelters built from the work for the dole scheme...

FYI- the 60K apparently spent last season on the 'ground' of that over 45K was contributed from the Tinkler lunch at the NJC, its good to have Baartzy in high places.

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Sure buddy
The Tinkler lunch, was shared between the jockey club, westpac helicopter and rosebuds. Rosebuds did not receive 45K.

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Originally Posted by nbnjet

I think i have answered a lot of your questions and yet i have asked very little from you. I would you to answer this for me please: Justify why playing a festival of football on No.2 from morning to night will advance the code?

Dont worry about the Baths and Libraries... Either im not explaining it right or you dont get it.

I have no gripe about Olympic, far from it, except for their fascination with No.2. I have repeatedly said they have a clean and tidy facility and i find it strange that they want to move away from there. I am more concerned that if they get on No.2 they will lose Darling Street to another code. Not a good swap in my eyes. No.2 is not a far superior facility that people think it is. Further i know Olympic asked to use Adamstown several years ago and were turned back by Adamstown, and i believe that was totally unjustified, but if your in the loop at Adamstown you should know this, and it was common knowledge. I do however think they can improve in many areas, some of which i know first hand, particularly IMO their policies when selecting teams, but not limited to this.

I do however have a preference for the work that Edgeworth are doing and the hard work they are putting in to the game, as is many other a club, including Southy and Magic and these guys should be applauded for what they are doing. Edgy still have a way to go to challenge for the State League GF but they are definately headed in the right direction, and lets face it the club with the best facility, or near enough, should get the GF. Also a mention for a heap of work Weston does off field. And from what i have seen recently a very progressive Cooks Hill. Im all for moving forward.

Lets get this straight. I have said it too many times now and you are not listening, you are trying to muddy the waters by not accepting what i have said. You do not need to agree but do not play me for a fool.

I DO NOT like the idea of Olympic playing on No.2 Sports Ground. Let me say it again. I DO NOT like the idea of Olympic playing on No.2 Sports Ground. I have justified this many times including the fact that they have a perfectly good State League quality ground at Darling Street, they have a great playing surface, they have two fields at Darling Street, it is their home ground, they have ample room for any fixtures they hold at the ground including derbys and semi finals, they have a great canteen, and yet i have heard NOT ONE SINGLE POINT OF VIEW that justifies that moving games to No.2 sports ground will be a positive for Olympic OR EVEN THE CODE.

If anyone should be playing at No.2 it should be Cooks Hill, but once again i feel this is a NRU ground and we are wasting valuable time and friends trying to muscle them off. Northern should be helping the clubs get funding and lobbying on their behalf for funds and assisting them with cheap practical initiatives to improve their facilitates. Lets forget about No.2. It wont happen.

Now to Adamstown. They received funding for the upgrade of their lights and the installation of their training facility on the back side of their ground. The funding was $140'000. Yes thats right i will spell it out for you ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS. Who gets that sort of funding? Plus i believe they received a top up to complete the training field, maybe something to do with drainage? Are you in the loop, can you confirm? The lights and training field were only completed at the beginning of last year, so this does not count as "years ago". Can you tell me what clubs have received $140'000 in their history let alone in the last couple years?

Tell me what did they spend $60'000 on? This is a large amount of money and i cant say i have seen anything at the ground which can justify a $60'000 spend? Can anyone else?

As for Magic i think most people would agree the facility was built primarily by the Magic community. Lets say FOR EXAMPLE they have received $200'000 worth of funding since they began the facility taking it over after Wanderers Rugby left many years earlier because it was a swamp. They put up lighting last year worth $250'000 dollars. Ok so now as part of this example they have used up all the funding that the Gov has given them. But Wait. What did they build the clubhouse with? And what did they build the second grandstand with? And how in gods name did they drain and irrigate and grass their field. Lets be fair here i could say the same for most of Edgeworth as well. I think you are being totally unreasonable with your statements, they lack fact, and i am thinking they are obviously directed to discredit hard working clubs for who knows what reason.

Can you tell me in fact how Magic mainly built their facility from Gov funding? Lets not beat around the bush here. You are making unjustified statements and should be able to back them up with fact, and if you cant i would think the forum administrators might give you a holiday because the clubs who you slander might not take lightly to unfactual dribble.

Quite frankly i would love to see all clubs develop and move forward, but it is not reasonable to knock those that have put the hard work in. You have made many a throw away lines with no facts or figures. Time to put up or shut up in my opinion.

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$60K was spent on the ground whether you can see it or not.
Since 2009/10 $4k has been received in grant monies. I do not know where you get the figure of $140K, in your previous rant you mentioned the grandstand, that was rebuilt some time prior to 1995, when Pat Clarke was there, he moved to the Breakers in 1995/96 or there abouts.
Like I said you have a beef with Olympic trying to get the use of no 2.

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Originally Posted by De-Champ

$60K was spent on the ground whether you can see it or not.
Since 2009/10 $4k has been received in grant monies. I do not know where you get the figure of $140K, in your previous rant you mentioned the grandstand, that was rebuilt some time prior to 1995, when Pat Clarke was there, he moved to the Breakers in 1995/96 or there abouts.
Like I said you have a beef with Olympic trying to get the use of no 2.

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I think everybody has a beef about it...
Well football minded people do anyway.
Personally i would not like to see any football getting played out of that venue.
The surface itself would out do any good that the faciltys would produce..
it will be no different to playing/watching any games out of cahill,lyall peacock etc
the facilitys are perfect but the surfaces year in year out ruin the game of football.

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Originally Posted by cobra23

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I think everybody has a beef about it...
Well football minded people do anyway.
Personally i would not like to see any football getting played out of that venue.
The surface itself would out do any good that the faciltys would produce..
it will be no different to playing/watching any games out of cahill,lyall peacock etc
the facilitys are perfect but the surfaces year in year out ruin the game of football.

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Fair enough. If that is your view good luck to you. Personally I do not have a problem of having a one off event played out of a better venue, for the fans that turn up to such an event. I do not know the capacity of Darling STreet, but I dare say it would not be the 5K that no2 holds.

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Originally Posted by De-Champ

Fair enough. If that is your view good luck to you. Personally I do not have a problem of having a one off event played out of a better venue, for the fans that turn up to such an event. I do not know the capacity of Darling STreet, but I dare say it would not be the 5K that no2 holds.

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Realistic number of supporters who would attend the day would not be even close to 5k. Over the entire day you would be lucky to have 500 to 1,000 people come and go through the gates and lucky to have 300 stay for 1st grade.

So what are people's predictions for season 2013?
I'm going to say;
Jets youth
Magic
Charly
Hamilton
Edgy
Southy
Jaffas
Weston
Valentine
Lake Mac


Should be a very close and entertaining competition this year.

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Originally Posted by Zico

Realistic number of supporters who would attend the day would not be even close to 5k. Over the entire day you would be lucky to have 500 to 1,000 people come and go through the gates and lucky to have 300 stay for 1st grade.

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Maybe not, the only advantage of having it at a venue such as no 2 would be for spectator compfort and better off field facilties, compared with Darling street.

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Originally Posted by Zico

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I agree 100% but as long as we have promotion and relegation this will never happen. Clubs are being held to ransome by players and the game is moving in the wong direction when it comes to this side of things.

Clubs are concerned that if they spend $100k on their ground it will leave them without the folding gear to support a side that will be strong enough to stay in State League.

This is an area the Fed could look at.

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Absolutely correct. From my estimations most clubs would spend similar amounts on players, some would just spend it on paying a few large amounts and others nothing or simple bonus payments. But unless there is an embargo on relegation, 5 years would be long enough, when the restructure happens clubs will still fork out whatever it takes to keep them up. The proposed points system will go some way to slowing the tide of player payments but won't fix the problem completely.

If promotion/relegation was removed for this time period, in both the top and 2nd division I am confident you would see clubs spending more money on infrastructure, coaching and development. Most clubs are now moving in the right direction with development but still a lot has to happen to make it pay dividends in the long term.

I would like to see both NBN and NEW FM become 12 team competitions. There seems to be enough strength running around in ID's to accommodate this.

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Originally Posted by Imyourhero

So what are people's predictions for season 2013?
I'm going to say;
Jets youth
Magic
Charly
Hamilton
Edgy
Southy
Jaffas
Weston
Valentine
Lake Mac


Should be a very close and entertaining competition this year.

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Magic will win the competition comfortably IMO, if the new coach can keep all the players happy.

There has been a few mentions of what has gone on at Edgy redevloping their ground in the last few years. Can some one enlighten me as to what these are???

Ive heard along the grapevine that Weston have lost a few players and havent really "announced" any extra new and quality players in.
Either way still think all across the board it may prove to be one of the toughest and closest seasons yet.

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Originally Posted by Youaskedforit

Good to hear, so there will be no arguments from Magic, when Edgy get the GF this year ?

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Sounds bloody good to me, but will Northern allow it? There is no doubt that Magic have the best facility and the most central if we are to consider the area the centre of sport in the Region, so it would be interestign to see if Northern are happy to keep it there or to move it to another venue, and really the only other venue is Edgy. I would be interested to see what the clubs think about this? I wonder if they actually like having it at Wanderers Park or if they would prefer to rotate it around all State League venues. And for the record i DO NOT support taking it to No.2 Sports Ground, which from a NRU club news program i was reading stated the ground as being the "home of union". Hats off to MAgic though they do a terrific job and the playing pitch always looks perfect.

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Originally Posted by De-Champ

$60K was spent on the ground whether you can see it or not.
Since 2009/10 $4k has been received in grant monies. I do not know where you get the figure of $140K, in your previous rant you mentioned the grandstand, that was rebuilt some time prior to 1995, when Pat Clarke was there, he moved to the Breakers in 1995/96 or there abouts.
Like I said you have a beef with Olympic trying to get the use of no 2.

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There is no way possible Adamstown has spent $60k on the pitch at Adamstown Oval. There is no way at all. You are telling porkies again. You have no credibility as far as i am concerned. Prove me wrong!

Ground drainage was only done a couple years back and was fully funded once again by NCC. I mean you could top soil and fertilise the ground for 60k but only if you were prepared to fill the ground with enough soil to have it bursting over the fence.

And you are right the about the Grandstand and exactly the point i was making. Everything at that ground was funded by NCC. Where is the contribution from Adamstown to "their" facility. While every other State League team invests hard earned cash to their facility, Adamstowns facility gets NCC gold ribbon funding. It is fairly obvious that they are well connected and rewarded. They even got funding for the murals painted around the facility while some venues roofs rust away like that at Olympics dressing sheds. What Adamstown have not done is contribute to the facility primarily because it is always fully funded by NCC, or by themselves to themselves via the old Adamstown Oval Grounds Committee.

And for the record i was told by one of the Adamstown committee members that the Tinkler lunch was indeed split a number of ways and that you guys did receive $45k. So the Magician is correct on this one.

Like i have confirmed i HAVE A MASSIVE ISSUE WITH OLYMPIC USING NO.2 ("the home of Union"). Shall i say it again just to have you write back that i have an issue with it? I have only stated it thirty times that i have an issue with it. But i have an Answer for you. Why doesnt Olympic have their Festival of Football at ADAMSTOWN OVAL? Wow, a win win situation...

Why dont you answer at least a couple of the questions being put to you instead of regurgitating more dribble without fact or basis.

Here is a couple you can start with:
1. How will a festival of football be good for the code?
2. How exactly did Adamstown spend 60k on their facility/pitch?