2013 NBN State League Thread

[nbnjet]

For your information $60,000 or so was spent last year alone with no funding/grants form the government or whoever. The 140k you refer to was years ago, just as years ago magic's ground was developed mainly with funding/grants. Nowadays it is maintained by their own funding just as many other grounds are.
I still do not get your pont with libraries etc, anyone can use them, i don't know of anyone who has been refused entry to a library or baths (except when they are emptying them out) but what has this got to do with football.
It seems to me you have a beef with Olympic.
No where have I said or has Olympic said that you have to stay the whole day at the festival of football. Just as you mentioned plenty of other clubs have football games on all day, why can't Olympic. Or is it you just do not like the idea of Olympic trying to get onto no. 2.

I think i have answered a lot of your questions and yet i have asked very little from you. I would you to answer this for me please: Justify why playing a festival of football on No.2 from morning to night will advance the code?

Dont worry about the Baths and Libraries... Either im not explaining it right or you dont get it.

I have no gripe about Olympic, far from it, except for their fascination with No.2. I have repeatedly said they have a clean and tidy facility and i find it strange that they want to move away from there. I am more concerned that if they get on No.2 they will lose Darling Street to another code. Not a good swap in my eyes. No.2 is not a far superior facility that people think it is. Further i know Olympic asked to use Adamstown several years ago and were turned back by Adamstown, and i believe that was totally unjustified, but if your in the loop at Adamstown you should know this, and it was common knowledge. I do however think they can improve in many areas, some of which i know first hand, particularly IMO their policies when selecting teams, but not limited to this.

I do however have a preference for the work that Edgeworth are doing and the hard work they are putting in to the game, as is many other a club, including Southy and Magic and these guys should be applauded for what they are doing. Edgy still have a way to go to challenge for the State League GF but they are definately headed in the right direction, and lets face it the club with the best facility, or near enough, should get the GF. Also a mention for a heap of work Weston does off field. And from what i have seen recently a very progressive Cooks Hill. Im all for moving forward.

Lets get this straight. I have said it too many times now and you are not listening, you are trying to muddy the waters by not accepting what i have said. You do not need to agree but do not play me for a fool.

I DO NOT like the idea of Olympic playing on No.2 Sports Ground. Let me say it again. I DO NOT like the idea of Olympic playing on No.2 Sports Ground. I have justified this many times including the fact that they have a perfectly good State League quality ground at Darling Street, they have a great playing surface, they have two fields at Darling Street, it is their home ground, they have ample room for any fixtures they hold at the ground including derbys and semi finals, they have a great canteen, and yet i have heard NOT ONE SINGLE POINT OF VIEW that justifies that moving games to No.2 sports ground will be a positive for Olympic OR EVEN THE CODE.

If anyone should be playing at No.2 it should be Cooks Hill, but once again i feel this is a NRU ground and we are wasting valuable time and friends trying to muscle them off. Northern should be helping the clubs get funding and lobbying on their behalf for funds and assisting them with cheap practical initiatives to improve their facilitates. Lets forget about No.2. It wont happen.

Now to Adamstown. They received funding for the upgrade of their lights and the installation of their training facility on the back side of their ground. The funding was $140'000. Yes thats right i will spell it out for you ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS. Who gets that sort of funding? Plus i believe they received a top up to complete the training field, maybe something to do with drainage? Are you in the loop, can you confirm? The lights and training field were only completed at the beginning of last year, so this does not count as "years ago". Can you tell me what clubs have received $140'000 in their history let alone in the last couple years?

Tell me what did they spend $60'000 on? This is a large amount of money and i cant say i have seen anything at the ground which can justify a $60'000 spend? Can anyone else?

As for Magic i think most people would agree the facility was built primarily by the Magic community. Lets say FOR EXAMPLE they have received $200'000 worth of funding since they began the facility taking it over after Wanderers Rugby left many years earlier because it was a swamp. They put up lighting last year worth $250'000 dollars. Ok so now as part of this example they have used up all the funding that the Gov has given them. But Wait. What did they build the clubhouse with? And what did they build the second grandstand with? And how in gods name did they drain and irrigate and grass their field. Lets be fair here i could say the same for most of Edgeworth as well. I think you are being totally unreasonable with your statements, they lack fact, and i am thinking they are obviously directed to discredit hard working clubs for who knows what reason.

Can you tell me in fact how Magic mainly built their facility from Gov funding? Lets not beat around the bush here. You are making unjustified statements and should be able to back them up with fact, and if you cant i would think the forum administrators might give you a holiday because the clubs who you slander might not take lightly to unfactual dribble.

Quite frankly i would love to see all clubs develop and move forward, but it is not reasonable to knock those that have put the hard work in. You have made many a throw away lines with no facts or figures. Time to put up or shut up in my opinion.

[nbnjet]

Hang on you forgot one important income stream????

10 years times $20,000 income from having the Grand Final every year, $200,000? I'm being conservative there by the way.

Didnt know the facility was that old and had that many GFs. $20k is just a guess though is it not? Or is it factual? Maybe Northerns new facility will accommodate the GF in the future? After they spend $7M you would think it will. Well IMO Magic probably deserve what ever they make on GF day as where ever they go their crowd goes and its always a bumper day and no doubt a money spinner for the home club. I do think at GF they always seem to have huge support, as does Southy every year.

Assuming they receive a conservative made up amount of $20k each year, over ten years if that is correct, will make $200k. Now that covers their lights that they put up with only $40k of Gov funding and i think that project cost them $250k. So just as most other clubs have had their lights put in for them by either council or sport and rec, lets call it even now. GF at Edgy next year and we can do the rounds around all the clubs after that.

Just on GF Edgy got Semis and GFs from other divisions, as did Adamstown, Olympic, and Lambton Jaffas if i recall correctly. So Income streams all round wouldnt you say?

[The Magician]

Not entirely sure if the first GF at Wanderers was in 2005 or 2006.

In regards to other comments about Magic and wanderers, the maintenance and works are totally managed by Broadmeadow Magic with a budget per annum that most top club's use on their playing squad. Many other clubs have received substantial hand outs from local and state government which is fantastic, Magic's hosting of the GF is just rewards for investing club funds into its own facilities. As more and more clubs follow they will be and are starting to be rewarded for their efforts hosting premier events. Before Wanderers for how many years was the grand final held at Edgeworth or Speers Point and what investment was directed into improving those facilities. None, clubs have only been actively improving their facilities in the last 2 years because they might feel they are now so far 'behind'.

FYI the works carried out at Wanderers Oval by Broadmeadow Magic alone is valued at over 5 million $$$ to replace as new as is. No2 was apparently built for $7.5M


Any conversations on GF profits are grossly off the mark. If clubs relied on hosting grand finals to post a profit maybe they should enrol themselves into a WEA business management course. The amount of preparation, organisation and work that goes into hosting the day are rarely taken into consideration, all of the 65+ volunteers that Magic rope in to work at the GF would rather spend their day cheering on their boys getting on the turps. Im sure the host club would rather collect the gate takings and have the Fed run the canteens.


Clubs should instead be trying to reign in exploding player wages and reinvest those funds into their facilities, or junior development and coaching.

[Premy]

Can you tell me what clubs have received $140'000 in their history let alone in the last couple years?

I know Swansea got around the $400,000 mark for a new club house and surface but that was all concil work and for the juniors as well Warnersbay got a substantial amount too. I will admit but $140,000 to be spent on a senior club is strange and I'm sure most clubs would be sceaming injustices that there is not that sort of money coming there way.

[Zico]

Not entirely sure if the first GF at Wanderers was in 2005 or 2006.

In regards to other comments about Magic and wanderers, the maintenance and works are totally managed by Broadmeadow Magic with a budget per annum that most top club's use on their playing squad. Many other clubs have received substantial hand outs from local and state government which is fantastic, Magic's hosting of the GF is just rewards for investing club funds into its own facilities. As more and more clubs follow they will be and are starting to be rewarded for their efforts hosting premier events. Before Wanderers for how many years was the grand final held at Edgeworth or Speers Point and what investment was directed into improving those facilities. None, clubs have only been actively improving their facilities in the last 2 years because they might feel they are now so far 'behind'.

FYI the works carried out at Wanderers Oval by Broadmeadow Magic alone is valued at over 5 million $$$ to replace as new as is. No2 was apparently built for $7.5M


Any conversations on GF profits are grossly off the mark. If clubs relied on hosting grand finals to post a profit maybe they should enrol themselves into a WEA business management course. The amount of preparation, organisation and work that goes into hosting the day are rarely taken into consideration, all of the 65+ volunteers that Magic rope in to work at the GF would rather spend their day cheering on their boys getting on the turps. Im sure the host club would rather collect the gate takings and have the Fed run the canteens.


Clubs should instead be trying to reign in exploding player wages and reinvest those funds into their facilities, or junior development and coaching.

I agree 100% but as long as we have promotion and relegation this will never happen. Clubs are being held to ransome by players and the game is moving in the wong direction when it comes to this side of things.

Clubs are concerned that if they spend $100k on their ground it will leave them without the folding gear to support a side that will be strong enough to stay in State League.

This is an area the Fed could look at.

[Youaskedforit]

Not entirely sure if the first GF at Wanderers was in 2005 or 2006.

In regards to other comments about Magic and wanderers, the maintenance and works are totally managed by Broadmeadow Magic with a budget per annum that most top club's use on their playing squad. Many other clubs have received substantial hand outs from local and state government which is fantastic, Magic's hosting of the GF is just rewards for investing club funds into its own facilities. As more and more clubs follow they will be and are starting to be rewarded for their efforts hosting premier events. Before Wanderers for how many years was the grand final held at Edgeworth or Speers Point and what investment was directed into improving those facilities. None, clubs have only been actively improving their facilities in the last 2 years because they might feel they are now so far 'behind'.

FYI the works carried out at Wanderers Oval by Broadmeadow Magic alone is valued at over 5 million $$$ to replace as new as is. No2 was apparently built for $7.5M


Any conversations on GF profits are grossly off the mark. If clubs relied on hosting grand finals to post a profit maybe they should enrol themselves into a WEA business management course. The amount of preparation, organisation and work that goes into hosting the day are rarely taken into consideration, all of the 65+ volunteers that Magic rope in to work at the GF would rather spend their day cheering on their boys getting on the turps. Im sure the host club would rather collect the gate takings and have the Fed run the canteens.

Clubs should instead be trying to reign in exploding player wages and reinvest those funds into their facilities, or junior development and coaching.

Good to hear, so there will be no arguments from Magic, when Edgy get the GF this year ?

[Premy]

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i agree 100% but as long as we have promotion and relegation this will never happen. Clubs are being held to ransome by players and the game is moving in the wong direction when it comes to this side of things.

Clubs are concerned that if they spend $100k on their ground it will leave them without the folding gear to support a side that will be strong enough to stay in state league.

This is an area the fed could look at.

salary cap

[De-Champ]

Magic's ground mainly developed through grants? Sure... lets break it down once again... Watering System $40K, Lighting $40, Miscellaneous small grants totalling up to $12K since 2000... total= $92K ... Shit money goes far in Broadmeadow, from a flat paddock to a FIFA Certified International Training venue... Oh i almost forgot the 2 shade shelters built from the work for the dole scheme...

FYI- the 60K apparently spent last season on the 'ground' of that over 45K was contributed from the Tinkler lunch at the NJC, its good to have Baartzy in high places.

Sure buddy
The Tinkler lunch, was shared between the jockey club, westpac helicopter and rosebuds. Rosebuds did not receive 45K.

[De-Champ]

I think i have answered a lot of your questions and yet i have asked very little from you. I would you to answer this for me please: Justify why playing a festival of football on No.2 from morning to night will advance the code?

Dont worry about the Baths and Libraries... Either im not explaining it right or you dont get it.

I have no gripe about Olympic, far from it, except for their fascination with No.2. I have repeatedly said they have a clean and tidy facility and i find it strange that they want to move away from there. I am more concerned that if they get on No.2 they will lose Darling Street to another code. Not a good swap in my eyes. No.2 is not a far superior facility that people think it is. Further i know Olympic asked to use Adamstown several years ago and were turned back by Adamstown, and i believe that was totally unjustified, but if your in the loop at Adamstown you should know this, and it was common knowledge. I do however think they can improve in many areas, some of which i know first hand, particularly IMO their policies when selecting teams, but not limited to this.

I do however have a preference for the work that Edgeworth are doing and the hard work they are putting in to the game, as is many other a club, including Southy and Magic and these guys should be applauded for what they are doing. Edgy still have a way to go to challenge for the State League GF but they are definately headed in the right direction, and lets face it the club with the best facility, or near enough, should get the GF. Also a mention for a heap of work Weston does off field. And from what i have seen recently a very progressive Cooks Hill. Im all for moving forward.

Lets get this straight. I have said it too many times now and you are not listening, you are trying to muddy the waters by not accepting what i have said. You do not need to agree but do not play me for a fool.

I DO NOT like the idea of Olympic playing on No.2 Sports Ground. Let me say it again. I DO NOT like the idea of Olympic playing on No.2 Sports Ground. I have justified this many times including the fact that they have a perfectly good State League quality ground at Darling Street, they have a great playing surface, they have two fields at Darling Street, it is their home ground, they have ample room for any fixtures they hold at the ground including derbys and semi finals, they have a great canteen, and yet i have heard NOT ONE SINGLE POINT OF VIEW that justifies that moving games to No.2 sports ground will be a positive for Olympic OR EVEN THE CODE.

If anyone should be playing at No.2 it should be Cooks Hill, but once again i feel this is a NRU ground and we are wasting valuable time and friends trying to muscle them off. Northern should be helping the clubs get funding and lobbying on their behalf for funds and assisting them with cheap practical initiatives to improve their facilitates. Lets forget about No.2. It wont happen.

Now to Adamstown. They received funding for the upgrade of their lights and the installation of their training facility on the back side of their ground. The funding was $140'000. Yes thats right i will spell it out for you ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS. Who gets that sort of funding? Plus i believe they received a top up to complete the training field, maybe something to do with drainage? Are you in the loop, can you confirm? The lights and training field were only completed at the beginning of last year, so this does not count as "years ago". Can you tell me what clubs have received $140'000 in their history let alone in the last couple years?

Tell me what did they spend $60'000 on? This is a large amount of money and i cant say i have seen anything at the ground which can justify a $60'000 spend? Can anyone else?

As for Magic i think most people would agree the facility was built primarily by the Magic community. Lets say FOR EXAMPLE they have received $200'000 worth of funding since they began the facility taking it over after Wanderers Rugby left many years earlier because it was a swamp. They put up lighting last year worth $250'000 dollars. Ok so now as part of this example they have used up all the funding that the Gov has given them. But Wait. What did they build the clubhouse with? And what did they build the second grandstand with? And how in gods name did they drain and irrigate and grass their field. Lets be fair here i could say the same for most of Edgeworth as well. I think you are being totally unreasonable with your statements, they lack fact, and i am thinking they are obviously directed to discredit hard working clubs for who knows what reason.

Can you tell me in fact how Magic mainly built their facility from Gov funding? Lets not beat around the bush here. You are making unjustified statements and should be able to back them up with fact, and if you cant i would think the forum administrators might give you a holiday because the clubs who you slander might not take lightly to unfactual dribble.

Quite frankly i would love to see all clubs develop and move forward, but it is not reasonable to knock those that have put the hard work in. You have made many a throw away lines with no facts or figures. Time to put up or shut up in my opinion.

$60K was spent on the ground whether you can see it or not.
Since 2009/10 $4k has been received in grant monies. I do not know where you get the figure of $140K, in your previous rant you mentioned the grandstand, that was rebuilt some time prior to 1995, when Pat Clarke was there, he moved to the Breakers in 1995/96 or there abouts.
Like I said you have a beef with Olympic trying to get the use of no 2.

[cobra23]

$60K was spent on the ground whether you can see it or not.
Since 2009/10 $4k has been received in grant monies. I do not know where you get the figure of $140K, in your previous rant you mentioned the grandstand, that was rebuilt some time prior to 1995, when Pat Clarke was there, he moved to the Breakers in 1995/96 or there abouts.
Like I said you have a beef with Olympic trying to get the use of no 2.

I think everybody has a beef about it...
Well football minded people do anyway.
Personally i would not like to see any football getting played out of that venue.
The surface itself would out do any good that the faciltys would produce..
it will be no different to playing/watching any games out of cahill,lyall peacock etc
the facilitys are perfect but the surfaces year in year out ruin the game of football.

[De-Champ]

[/B]


I think everybody has a beef about it...
Well football minded people do anyway.
Personally i would not like to see any football getting played out of that venue.
The surface itself would out do any good that the faciltys would produce..
it will be no different to playing/watching any games out of cahill,lyall peacock etc
the facilitys are perfect but the surfaces year in year out ruin the game of football.

Fair enough. If that is your view good luck to you. Personally I do not have a problem of having a one off event played out of a better venue, for the fans that turn up to such an event. I do not know the capacity of Darling STreet, but I dare say it would not be the 5K that no2 holds.

[Zico]

Fair enough. If that is your view good luck to you. Personally I do not have a problem of having a one off event played out of a better venue, for the fans that turn up to such an event. I do not know the capacity of Darling STreet, but I dare say it would not be the 5K that no2 holds.

Realistic number of supporters who would attend the day would not be even close to 5k. Over the entire day you would be lucky to have 500 to 1,000 people come and go through the gates and lucky to have 300 stay for 1st grade.

[Imyourhero]

So what are people's predictions for season 2013?
I'm going to say;
Jets youth
Magic
Charly
Hamilton
Edgy
Southy
Jaffas
Weston
Valentine
Lake Mac


Should be a very close and entertaining competition this year.

[De-Champ]

Realistic number of supporters who would attend the day would not be even close to 5k. Over the entire day you would be lucky to have 500 to 1,000 people come and go through the gates and lucky to have 300 stay for 1st grade.

Maybe not, the only advantage of having it at a venue such as no 2 would be for spectator compfort and better off field facilties, compared with Darling street.

[EH9]

[/I][/B]
I agree 100% but as long as we have promotion and relegation this will never happen. Clubs are being held to ransome by players and the game is moving in the wong direction when it comes to this side of things.

Clubs are concerned that if they spend $100k on their ground it will leave them without the folding gear to support a side that will be strong enough to stay in State League.

This is an area the Fed could look at.

Absolutely correct. From my estimations most clubs would spend similar amounts on players, some would just spend it on paying a few large amounts and others nothing or simple bonus payments. But unless there is an embargo on relegation, 5 years would be long enough, when the restructure happens clubs will still fork out whatever it takes to keep them up. The proposed points system will go some way to slowing the tide of player payments but won't fix the problem completely.

If promotion/relegation was removed for this time period, in both the top and 2nd division I am confident you would see clubs spending more money on infrastructure, coaching and development. Most clubs are now moving in the right direction with development but still a lot has to happen to make it pay dividends in the long term.

I would like to see both NBN and NEW FM become 12 team competitions. There seems to be enough strength running around in ID's to accommodate this.

[EH9]

So what are people's predictions for season 2013?
I'm going to say;
Jets youth
Magic
Charly
Hamilton
Edgy
Southy
Jaffas
Weston
Valentine
Lake Mac


Should be a very close and entertaining competition this year.

Magic will win the competition comfortably IMO, if the new coach can keep all the players happy.

[MFKS]

There has been a few mentions of what has gone on at Edgy redevloping their ground in the last few years. Can some one enlighten me as to what these are???

[Imyourhero]

Ive heard along the grapevine that Weston have lost a few players and havent really "announced" any extra new and quality players in.
Either way still think all across the board it may prove to be one of the toughest and closest seasons yet.

[nbnjet]

Good to hear, so there will be no arguments from Magic, when Edgy get the GF this year ?

Sounds bloody good to me, but will Northern allow it? There is no doubt that Magic have the best facility and the most central if we are to consider the area the centre of sport in the Region, so it would be interestign to see if Northern are happy to keep it there or to move it to another venue, and really the only other venue is Edgy. I would be interested to see what the clubs think about this? I wonder if they actually like having it at Wanderers Park or if they would prefer to rotate it around all State League venues. And for the record i DO NOT support taking it to No.2 Sports Ground, which from a NRU club news program i was reading stated the ground as being the "home of union". Hats off to MAgic though they do a terrific job and the playing pitch always looks perfect.

[nbnjet]

$60K was spent on the ground whether you can see it or not.
Since 2009/10 $4k has been received in grant monies. I do not know where you get the figure of $140K, in your previous rant you mentioned the grandstand, that was rebuilt some time prior to 1995, when Pat Clarke was there, he moved to the Breakers in 1995/96 or there abouts.
Like I said you have a beef with Olympic trying to get the use of no 2.

There is no way possible Adamstown has spent $60k on the pitch at Adamstown Oval. There is no way at all. You are telling porkies again. You have no credibility as far as i am concerned. Prove me wrong!

Ground drainage was only done a couple years back and was fully funded once again by NCC. I mean you could top soil and fertilise the ground for 60k but only if you were prepared to fill the ground with enough soil to have it bursting over the fence.

And you are right the about the Grandstand and exactly the point i was making. Everything at that ground was funded by NCC. Where is the contribution from Adamstown to "their" facility. While every other State League team invests hard earned cash to their facility, Adamstowns facility gets NCC gold ribbon funding. It is fairly obvious that they are well connected and rewarded. They even got funding for the murals painted around the facility while some venues roofs rust away like that at Olympics dressing sheds. What Adamstown have not done is contribute to the facility primarily because it is always fully funded by NCC, or by themselves to themselves via the old Adamstown Oval Grounds Committee.

And for the record i was told by one of the Adamstown committee members that the Tinkler lunch was indeed split a number of ways and that you guys did receive $45k. So the Magician is correct on this one.

Like i have confirmed i HAVE A MASSIVE ISSUE WITH OLYMPIC USING NO.2 ("the home of Union"). Shall i say it again just to have you write back that i have an issue with it? I have only stated it thirty times that i have an issue with it. But i have an Answer for you. Why doesnt Olympic have their Festival of Football at ADAMSTOWN OVAL? Wow, a win win situation...

Why dont you answer at least a couple of the questions being put to you instead of regurgitating more dribble without fact or basis.

Here is a couple you can start with:
1. How will a festival of football be good for the code?
2. How exactly did Adamstown spend 60k on their facility/pitch?