SQUAD FOR 2015/16 SEASON - no Griff, no party

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Originally Posted by tomo

How do you know it wasnt the player who requested a short term deal to see if he can settle in over here before committing to a longer stay?

How do you know that miller hasnt already got a list of dead wood he's going to cull at seasons end? And a list of recruits for next season?

You have to remember, he came in here needing about 10 players, with fvck all money left in the salary cap, no cap concessions, no marquee money available, and not many decent free agents left. He has assembled a squad that he could afford. Maybe at seasons end when he culls some people that are not earning the coin theyre on (watson), and maybe an owner willing to throw some money around... Maybe then we'll see some better players and some more attractive football

No wonder the clubs a "basketcase" when half of the fans are too!

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What makes you think he has a plan for seasons end??

Why exactly is he waiting to start unveiling this masterplan??

What makes you think when his best signing is Hoffman he has the ability to find the right players when he has failed with Milos Leonardo and where he has spent his money he had??

Also Watson is his signing so stop trying to Palm that off when he is responsible for signing him and picking him


Maybe if a few more fans actually were prepared to hold these running out club to account from time to time we wouldn't be in this big of a mess.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

I gave you a suggestion.

You have failed to address it.

Why ???

Joel Michael Griffiths.

Still waiting on your response.

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Griff said he will probably not play A-League again only last week. A 35 year old crock deserves a contract over a 32 year old with no injury concerns?

Please, a bit of levity here.

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Griff said he will probably not play A-League again only last week. A 35 year old crock deserves a contract over a 32 year old with no injury concerns?

Please, a bit of levity here.

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still prob better on one leg than the donkeys we got.....

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Originally Posted by synapse101

I quoted you on this on the pod recording last night. Sorry that I couldn't remember who said it to give you a shout out at the time. So sorry and thanks! :/

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No worries at all.

Had a listen today to the Jetstream and have done so for the last few weeks. Very entertaining, quite enjoy the weekly discussion.

Based on the dribble I have read in the last few pages the podcast is almost reaching enlightened levels of knowledgeable discussion

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Originally Posted by borat

No worries at all.

Had a listen today to the Jetstream and have done so for the last few weeks. Very entertaining, quite enjoy the weekly discussion.

Based on the dribble I have read in the last few pages the podcast is almost reaching enlightened levels of knowledgeable discussion

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:brrr:

Glad you're enjoying it

Castelen in bench for Wanderers. Has happened a few times this season. Would kill to have a player like that here!

Just to add a bit of perspective that seems to be sorely lacking in some:
There are top flight clubs in Europe who have scouting networks, direct contracts with OPTA and other stat companies, managers with decades of contacts with clubs and personnel in football. And their success rates aren't that high either.
What makes everyone think that a rookie coach and a part time CEO at a club without an owner in a salary capped league can accomplish transfer miracles? You hedge your bets, try to make the best decision on all the available information and hope that it works out.

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Originally Posted by furns

What makes everyone think that a rookie coach and a part time CEO at a club without an owner in a salary capped league can accomplish transfer miracles?

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Maybe coz he seems pretty adamant and comfortable telling everyone how garbage the current players are.

Just figured he would then be cool cool with exactly what/who he wants

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Originally Posted by MFKS

I gave you a suggestion.

You have failed to address it.

Why ???

Joel Michael Griffiths.

Still waiting on your response.

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He'll be 37 when the next season starts. If you honestly think you need any more reasoning than that as to why we should look elsewhere, you're just embarrassing yourself.

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Originally Posted by MFKS;143***

What makes you think he has a plan for seasons end??

Why exactly is he waiting to start unveiling this masterplan??

What makes you think when his best signing is Hoffman he has the ability to find the right players when he has failed with Milos Leonardo and where he has spent his money he had??

Also Watson is his signing so stop trying to Palm that off when he is responsible for signing him and picking him


Maybe if a few more fans actually were prepared to hold these running out club to account from time to time we wouldn't be in this big of a mess.

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What sweeping changes can he make right now? It's like you've never followed football before. You complain about Watson, Trif & Leo, yet it seems the two new signings just happen to address both Watsons position and Trif and/or Leo's position. We can't offload shit players unless someone else wants them, so if no one wants them, which is highly ****ing probable, we might as well keep them until seasons end for numbers if nothing else.

Of all things to criticise Miller for, his recruitment skills is not one of them. People have pretty short memories of some of the dross this club has recruited over the years, particularly the foreign contingent.

Trifunovic and Leonardo are really not nearly as poor as being made out to be. Infact without describing them as world beaters they are reasonable quality compared to what we usually sign. If Trifunovic can hit 10+ goals would just about make him one of our highest goal scorers ever behind Griff and Tags. Leonardo I beleive is a quality player, with his limitations. Has been crocked for sure but it's a gamble we were prepared to take.

On Morts, was the leading scorer in the Danish top flight twice. That's a decent pedigree. Yes he was playing 2nd tier recently.....might be an indication he no longer has it or may have been signed by an ambitious club. Who knows, but a 10 game stint will tell. When we are on the verge of acquiring a new owner why would we ever tie up a foreign spot for longer than we need to.

Millers naivity with tactics, his rigid formations and a lack of midfield quality in the squad are all things to criticise about.

For mind jury is still out on Miller. He took on a very tough gig, has made a fist of it, but the end of the season will tell me where he is at.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

What sweeping changes can he make right now? .

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I mean, full strength piss is a no brainer.

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Originally Posted by borat

Of all things to criticise Miller for, his recruitment skills is not one of them. People have pretty short memories of some of the dross this club has recruited over the years, particularly the foreign contingent.

Trifunovic and Leonardo are really not nearly as poor as being made out to be. Infact without describing them as world beaters they are reasonable quality compared to what we usually sign. If Trifunovic can hit 10+ goals would just about make him one of our highest goal scorers ever behind Griff and Tags. Leonardo I beleive is a quality player, with his limitations. Has been crocked for sure but it's a gamble we were prepared to take.

On Morts, was the leading scorer in the Danish top flight twice. That's a decent pedigree. Yes he was playing 2nd tier recently.....might be an indication he no longer has it or may have been signed by an ambitious club. Who knows, but a 10 game stint will tell. When we are on the verge of acquiring a new owner why would we ever tie up a foreign spot for longer than we need to.

Millers naivity with tactics, his rigid formations and a lack of midfield quality in the squad are all things to criticise about.

For mind jury is still out on Miller. He took on a very tough gig, has made a fist of it, but the end of the season will tell me where he is at.

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bang on big marn, good too see you back on the fozzle tbh.

the triffo-mortis connection will be the hook up of the a-league season imo

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Originally Posted by q-money

bang on big marn, good too see you back on the fozzle tbh.

the triffo-mortis connection will be the hook up of the a-league season imo

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IMO Trifunovic will get better because of the Morten signing. There'll be less pressure on him now, and he'll finally have a recognised striker partnering him up front..... If we keep playing 4-4-2 and not revert back to a sole striker...

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Originally Posted by furns

Just to add a bit of perspective that seems to be sorely lacking in some:
There are top flight clubs in Europe who have scouting networks, direct contracts with OPTA and other stat companies, managers with decades of contacts with clubs and personnel in football. And their success rates aren't that high either.
What makes everyone think that a rookie coach and a part time CEO at a club without an owner in a salary capped league can accomplish transfer miracles? You hedge your bets, try to make the best decision on all the available information and hope that it works out.

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That is too sensible and realistic for a select few forumers to understand.

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Originally Posted by borat

Millers naivity with tactics, his rigid formations and a lack of midfield quality in the squad are all things to criticise about.

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Once again, thanks for listening to the podcast :-)

Spot. On.

I think I'm looking forward to Members impending trip to Thailand more than he is

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Originally Posted by furns

Just to add a bit of perspective that seems to be sorely lacking in some:
There are top flight clubs in Europe who have scouting networks, direct contracts with OPTA and other stat companies, managers with decades of contacts with clubs and personnel in football. And their success rates aren't that high either.
What makes everyone think that a rookie coach and a part time CEO at a club without an owner in a salary capped league can accomplish transfer miracles? You hedge your bets, try to make the best decision on all the available information and hope that it works out.

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That's actually a bit of a cop out Furns

No one is actually asking for transfer miracles. Reality is Miller has accomplished sweet **** all in his transfer dealings and blaming the club being a basketcase does not negate that he still has made many wrong decisions with his signings so far



Clubs in Europe spend millions of pounds/euros on transfer fees we don't. As a result their is a huge level of pressure on getting it right

Our club when scouring Europe for players only responsibilities are to

FIND BETTER PLAYERS THAN WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY
FIND PLAYERS THAT FIT INTO OUR WAGE STRUCTURE
FIND PLAYERS WHO HAVE THE RIGHT LEVEL OF SOCIAL SKILLS THEY WILL SETTLE INTO AUSSIE LIFE
FIND PLAYERS THAT WILL FIT INTO THE TEAMS STYLE OF PLAY

Same same for everyone else in the HAL

I ain' seeing the rest of the clubs having huge scouting networks to tap into bar Melburn Heart with their Man City links and even then how much support Heart get their is iffy as Man City ain't gonna be scouting players of the level Heart require.



We in this country have very little pressure and a pretty easy task.

Every other club can seem to find decent players for this league that don't require a huge scouting network and be done with minimal expense

Broich Berisha Bonavecia Keogh Carrusco just a few to name

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

What sweeping changes can he make right now? It's like you've never followed football before. You complain about Watson, Trif & Leo, yet it seems the two new signings just happen to address both Watsons position and Trif and/or Leo's position. We can't offload shit players unless someone else wants them, so if no one wants them, which is highly ****ing probable, we might as well keep them until seasons end for numbers if nothing else.

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The two signings address Watson Leo and Trifs positions you say.

The two signings are actually attempting to address Millers failings in signing all 3 of them in the first place.

Sweeping changes. Should have been started in pre season when he assessed his squad. People should have been moved out there and then so he could bring in players he wants.

Carney LeakyG Alivodic Boogaard Birraz Mullen all have value to other HAL sides/ Foreign Clubs. They were not his signings and he chose to persist with them into this season keeping the noose around the club Muppet put on by signing players for too much coin.

Getting rid of a few of them would have left him with a much larger pot of money to spend on building his side.
He did nothing.

Then he proceeded to waste away what money he had by getting his signings of note like Leonardo/Milos wrong.


As for off loading players someone at our club managed to rid us once of an under contract Sam Gallaway. Anything is possible

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Originally Posted by MFKS

That's actually a bit of a cop out Furns

No one is actually asking for transfer miracles. Reality is Miller has accomplished sweet **** all in his transfer dealings and blaming the club being a basketcase does not negate that he still has made many wrong decisions with his signings so far



Clubs in Europe spend millions of pounds/euros on transfer fees we don't. As a result their is a huge level of pressure on getting it right

Our club when scouring Europe for players only responsibilities are to

FIND BETTER PLAYERS THAN WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY
FIND PLAYERS THAT FIT INTO OUR WAGE STRUCTURE
FIND PLAYERS WHO HAVE THE RIGHT LEVEL OF SOCIAL SKILLS THEY WILL SETTLE INTO AUSSIE LIFE
FIND PLAYERS THAT WILL FIT INTO THE TEAMS STYLE OF PLAY

Same same for everyone else in the HAL

I ain' seeing the rest of the clubs having huge scouting networks to tap into bar Melburn Heart with their Man City links and even then how much support Heart get their is iffy as Man City ain't gonna be scouting players of the level Heart require.



We in this country have very little pressure and a pretty easy task.

Every other club can seem to find decent players for this league that don't require a huge scouting network and be done with minimal expense

Broich Berisha Bonavecia Keogh Carrusco just a few to name

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Fornaroli, benkalfhala, Novillo, delpierre, fatty, Tavares, Ninkovic, holosko + few of the Spanish Armada at WSW and Adelaide...... To name few more....... Us triffo and Leo FFS...!!!!!

So anyway, when does this guy arrive?

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Originally Posted by belchardo

So anyway, when does this guy arrive?

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Been here for a couple of days. Waiting for international clearance.

I return from a pilgrimage out bush and discover that my beloved Jets have signed the greatest ever Danish striker. Amazing.

I will support Newy this round.

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

Peter turns on the light and starts laughing hysterically, Morten you ****wit, you're sitting on a mop bucket"

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I enjoyed this joke.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Sweeping changes. Should have been started in pre season when he assessed his squad. People should have been moved out there and then so he could bring in players he wants.

Carney LeakyG Alivodic Boogaard Birraz Mullen all have value to other HAL sides/ Foreign Clubs. They were not his signings and he chose to persist with them into this season keeping the noose around the club Muppet put on by signing players for too much coin.

Getting rid of a few of them would have left him with a much larger pot of money to spend on building his side.
He did nothing.

Then he proceeded to waste away what money he had by getting his signings of note like Leonardo/Milos wrong.


As for off loading players someone at our club managed to rid us once of an under contract Sam Gallaway. Anything is possible

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Then you'd be complaining he got rid of the only experience we had.

Shifting older players, on good coin isn't as easy as shifting a young bloke near the minimum wage.

Did miller stop in Thailand on his way over here and shag your missus? I really think you need to pull your head from your arse as I fear you're starting to believe your own bullshit.

You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd, and miller got handed a steaming pile of shit.... And no polish.

He's signed guys on short contracts with a-league experience to fill the gaps in the squad he was given. Poljak Watson etc etc.... How many better players would accept short deals? Good players know they can demand more job security elsewhere.

Labs got a season ending injury early on and His number 10 got taken out by a **** of a tackle in a derby. The highest paid red head in the league is on too much coin to have his contract paid out and too shit/lazy to be taken by someone else as there's no way he'd agreed to terms for less than he's currently earning.

You appear to think its like playing Football manager and moving large amounts of deadwood out is easy.

If you'd accept even a small dose of reality in your rants against the bloke's recruitment you might make a little sense.

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Originally Posted by Couscous

I return from a pilgrimage out bush and discover that my beloved Jets have signed the greatest ever Danish striker. Amazing.

I will support Newy this round.



I enjoyed this joke.

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Thank you.

Interesting reading Scott Miller playing hardball with Arnie over Carney in the paper today.

It's a rare occasion when we have SFC by the balls. Arnie's attack is pedestrian at best and will be lucky to score a goal in the ACL. Arnie knows it and is desperate to get Dave for an X Factor. That puts us in the perfect position to prise away a youngster that SFC do not necessarily want to give up.

Naumoff makes sense in that he can play in Dave's position or swap with Enver. Or may play off the bench with Leonardo to the starting team.

The big question is who else do we snatch off them. Obviously we have tried for Hoole and I wouldn't give up on him just yet. His manager said his goal is a go to Europe in 12 months and a starting position will be the way he gets there. Could be persuaded if Arnie told him his opportunities would dry up once Dave arrived.

Brandon O'Niell is another I would enquire about. Our central midfield is bog average and O'Niell could walk into our team at present.

Although unlikely, Ryan Grant is another who would be handy. Would start for us at LB or put pressure on a DM position.

And lastly, why not the return of Ali Abbas. Crowd favourite here, could walk into LB and add some attacking edge.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

The two signings address Watson Leo and Trifs positions you say.

The two signings are actually attempting to address Millers failings in signing all 3 of them in the first place.

Sweeping changes. Should have been started in pre season when he assessed his squad. People should have been moved out there and then so he could bring in players he wants.

Carney LeakyG Alivodic Boogaard Birraz Mullen all have value to other HAL sides/ Foreign Clubs. They were not his signings and he chose to persist with them into this season keeping the noose around the club Muppet put on by signing players for too much coin.

Getting rid of a few of them would have left him with a much larger pot of money to spend on building his side.
He did nothing.

Then he proceeded to waste away what money he had by getting his signings of note like Leonardo/Milos wrong.


As for off loading players someone at our club managed to rid us once of an under contract Sam Gallaway. Anything is possible

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Go back to the actual changeover. We had 13 players on contract who were moved across without being paid or getting super for some weeks. Ethically, do you really think we should/could have offloaded anyone?

Miller came in and only had a guaranteed job for 3 months don't forget....it was the reason Rudes said no with a new owner sounding certain back then.

Wholesale changes when debts were being cleared and wages being fixed up would have been ridiculously complicated and the PFA may have caused a stink too.

We had no club just before the season started and we are where most sensible people thought we would be.

abbas would be ripping

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Go back to the actual changeover. We had 13 players on contract who were moved across without being paid or getting super for some weeks. Ethically, do you really think we should/could have offloaded anyone?

Miller came in and only had a guaranteed job for 3 months don't forget....it was the reason Rudes said no with a new owner sounding certain back then.

Wholesale changes when debts were being cleared and wages being fixed up would have been ridiculously complicated and the PFA may have caused a stink too.

We had no club just before the season started and we are where most sensible people thought we would be.

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The CBA dictates that a new entity taking ownership (in our case the FFA) must offer like for like contracts to players currently contracted to the old entity.... So all the players not yet sacked stubbins and tinkler (like reefs) were required to be offered contracts exactly the same as they had.

They couldn't be cut loose unless paid out, or another club wanted them and a mutual termination could be agreed on... Like Neville going to WSW.

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Originally Posted by borat

Interesting reading Scott Miller playing hardball with Arnie over Carney in the paper today.

It's a rare occasion when we have SFC by the balls. Arnie's attack is pedestrian at best and will be lucky to score a goal in the ACL. Arnie knows it and is desperate to get Dave for an X Factor. That puts us in the perfect position to prise away a youngster that SFC do not necessarily want to give up.

Naumoff makes sense in that he can play in Dave's position or swap with Enver. Or may play off the bench with Leonardo to the starting team.

The big question is who else do we snatch off them. Obviously we have tried for Hoole and I wouldn't give up on him just yet. His manager said his goal is a go to Europe in 12 months and a starting position will be the way he gets there. Could be persuaded if Arnie told him his opportunities would dry up once Dave arrived.

Brandon O'Niell is another I would enquire about. Our central midfield is bog average and O'Niell could walk into our team at present.

Although unlikely, Ryan Grant is another who would be handy. Would start for us at LB or put pressure on a DM position.

And lastly, why not the return of Ali Abbas. Crowd favourite here, could walk into LB and add some attacking edge.

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Realistically we'd need one of Naumoff or Hoole to provide a literal swap for Carney.

I'd say we're best focusing on a defender above all else, as we essentially have 4 guys in the back at this point and when one gets injured or red carded someone is forced to play out of position. Our midfield is probably our weakest point, but we have more viable options in that position then we do in defence.

In a perfect world we pull Gersbach, but that's a pipe dream. Ryan Grant would be useful as LB is our worst position right now, so to me a swap for Hoole and Grant would be worth it

Would accept naumoff or oneill - can only see us getting one of their talented youngster brigade. Plus wouldn't mind Abbas.

Personally, I think we should just keep Carney now till the end of his contract. As Miller said we don't have to do anything to help SFC and Carney is under contract.
He can go cry in the corner again if necessary.

Carney omitted from Adelaide encounter

Newcastle Jets confirm that David Carney has been omitted from the club’s Hyundai A-League round 17 squad for tomorrow’s match against Adelaide United at Coopers Stadium.

Unfortunately recent events have led the club to determine that at this point in time Carney is not 100 per cent committed to representing Newcastle Jets.

Not likely now. Carney has been omitted from Adelaide game squad as he is "not committed". Obviously pushing hard to force our hand.

Teach him a lesson. Hang on to him as others have said. Not like we can get a transfer fee from an Austtalian club.

Hopefully it's a Middle Eastern move he's after and we get paid

Did not know this before my previous post. Even more I think Carney is about Carney and his agent has been playing media games to pressure the Jets.
Stuff him...train in the corner if you are not 100% committed.
Deep down I know Sydney will get their way but geez I hope they don't.

If we get a good deal out of it, Money or decent players then screw off carney. If not sit on the sideline and get your manager to whinge

Doesn't make sense but you guys know what I mean

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Originally Posted by borat

Not likely now. Carney has been omitted from Adelaide game squad as he is "not committed". Obviously pushing hard to force our hand.

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FFS!! Miller is starting to stink of Stubbins. Unless there is a trade deal imminent there is no reason to leave your best player at home for an absolute must win game.

Absolutely brainless.

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Originally Posted by skullboy

FFS!! Miller is starting to stink of Stubbins. Unless there is a trade deal imminent there is no reason to leave your best player at home for an absolute must win game.

Absolutely brainless.

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Best player or not if he won't be committed to the team will turn into a cancer in the sheds. 100% back miller in this one