2013 NBN State League Thread

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Originally Posted by JCBT

My gripe with you is also why bag the hell out of a group of supporters that are sticking by their club when the support for the game is getting less and less but then again why do you hate every NBN club with a passion?

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You posted that after the fact

Hey I don't knock you blokes who go out there and support your club for doing it.


You will also see I compliment Magic/Olympic for the way they run their clubs.
I do Bag Olympic for their long ball though


I am pretty ambivalent to Jaffas Lakes Azzurri.

I also forgot about the throw in that the ref made the Bears retake and instructed them to throw it to a Jets player? The ball was out and the Jets players wasn't hurt but even if he was, when has it been a rule to be enforced by the ref that you have to play the ball back to the opposition?

You clearly only saw what you wanted of the match.

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Originally Posted by JCBT

We can all wish for and wank over the tika taka football but this isn't the Spanish top flight either.

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And there's only one team in that comp that's any good at.

In a realistic summary of today from a neutral perspective;
Jets won 3-1 however the win was hardly a convincing one.
First half was terrible by both teams, jets had the usual boring possession without really creating any exciting opportunities. Weston played counter attack football, which lets not forget is a legitimate tactic in the world of football especially considering that it is common knowledge with the way that the jets and all their youth teams play the same style of football where they are terribly unguarded to an effective counter attack. Thankfully for the jets Weston were very wasteful in the first half and in reality if their finishing/final third decisions were sharper they easily could have punished the jets. Then Ryan got sent, a key moment in the momentum of the match.

Second half was just a case of Weston losing the wind in their sales, mentally and physically. With Weston being a man down and not capitalizing on the opportunities they were presented with in the first half it was only a case of when, not if, the jets would finally break them down. In summary it was a classic match of football, and i firmly believe that it Weston had been able to score first they would have been able to ground out a result as per usual with their amazing ability to do so.

Will admit KB was a standout, and being held back with the players around him i believe is only going to be detrimental to his development. You can see that he is ahead of everyone in physical and mental skill and at times tries to take the piss too much. He needs to be training with the senior team full time which will either make him or break him.

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Originally Posted by JCBT

This exchange with you is no different to the ones I have with my teenage kids. Your blinded by your support and the clear elitism you feel you have over the NBN clubs.

Please go to a game one time with an open mind.

Yes the Bears are playing a hoof it style at the moment and yes they do have the ability to play a better style but at the end of the day it is getting results and it clearly is best for the cattle that Darren Elkin has at his disposal so why not play the style that is best suited to your players?

We can all wish for and wank over the tika taka football but this isn't the Spanish top flight either.

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Elitism???:wacko: I don't think anyone is elite or that the Jets Yoof are entitled to sweep all before them. They have to earn their success like anyone else. When they lose I will also credit the victor and am harsh on them.


Weston have played the same style when I played them and for the last 20 years I know of and probably for the 100 years before that. Playing a physical style of long balls and bash and barging everywhere is always gonna struggle against a side trying to hold the ball as the Jets Yoof do if you can't get results from your one on one duels and get some set piece successes.

Maybe Weston need to look at their tactics V Jets Yoof Currently 4 played 4 Losses.

Something ain't working

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Originally Posted by Imyourhero

In a realistic summary of today from a neutral perspective;
Jets won 3-1 however the win was hardly a convincing one.
First half was terrible by both teams, jets had the usual boring possession without really creating any exciting opportunities. Weston played counter attack football, which lets not forget is a legitimate tactic in the world of football especially considering that it is common knowledge with the way that the jets and all their youth teams play the same style of football where they are terribly unguarded to an effective counter attack. Thankfully for the jets Weston were very wasteful in the first half and in reality if their finishing/final third decisions were sharper they easily could have punished the jets. Then Ryan got sent, a key moment in the momentum of the match.



Second half was just a case of Weston losing the wind in their sales, mentally and physically. With Weston being a man down and not capitalizing on the opportunities they were presented with in the first half it was only a case of when, not if, the jets would finally break them down. In summary it was a classic match of football, and i firmly believe that it Weston had been able to score first they would have been able to ground out a result as per usual with their amazing ability to do so.

Will admit KB was a standout, and being held back with the players around him i believe is only going to be detrimental to his development. You can see that he is ahead of everyone in physical and mental skill and at times tries to take the piss too much. He needs to be training with the senior team full time which will either make him or break him.

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KB should be used by GVE and I'm ****ed why he isn't. The bloke is strong, sharp and super skillfull on the ball plus he is a proven goal scorer.

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Originally Posted by JCBT

I also forgot about the throw in that the ref made the Bears retake and instructed them to throw it to a Jets player? The ball was out and the Jets players wasn't hurt but even if he was, when has it been a rule to be enforced by the ref that you have to play the ball back to the opposition?

You clearly only saw what you wanted of the match.

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Umm when Finlayson who took a head knock after coming off second best in a body collision and spent about 30-45 seconds dazed on the ground before the Jets put it out for a throw in.

The ref was checking on the Finlayson's welfare as he had got back to his feet when Weston decided to take a quick throw to a teammate despite the ref never having restarted the game. (I could make some remarks about the lack of sportsmanship here but I will let it go).

When play restarted Weston threw the ball back to Jets this time around


Gee you have an amazing memory of the match.


No wonder you feel so victimised when stuff that actually happened you have twisted around

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Umm when Finlayson who took a head knock after coming off second best in a body collision and spent about 30-45 seconds dazed on the ground before the Jets put it out for a throw in.

The ref was checking on the Finlayson's welfare as he had got back to his feet when Weston decided to take a quick throw to a teammate despite the ref never having restarted the game. (I could make some remarks about the lack of sportsmanship here but I will let it go).

When play restarted Weston threw the ball back to Jets this time around


Gee you have an amazing memory of the match.


No wonder you feel so victimised when stuff that actually happened you have twisted around

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I'll end it there as you were clearly watching a different game to me and everybody else at the ground. Are you the same bloke who was Khan Khant from a few years ago?

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Originally Posted by JCBT

I'll end it there as you were clearly watching a different game to me and everybody else at the ground. Are you the same bloke who was Khan Khant from a few years ago?

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Maybe I was actually watching the game and not blowing my stack like those in the Peanut Gallery around you were

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Originally Posted by JCBT

KB should be used by GVE and I'm ****ed why he isn't. The bloke is strong, sharp and super skillfull on the ball plus he is a proven goal scorer.

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Now I know you are full of shit. :roflz:There are many words that I would use to describe the one and only Kale Bradbery. Hell I have used them all

Strong:rof: ain't one of them though.


He is 5 ft 8 and about 60-70kgs and would struggle to win a header all season and gets pushed off the ball physically by opponents


STRONG:roflz:

He looked strong on the ball today and by saying strong I mean hard to dispose of when he has the ball at his feet.

I think your just one of those twats that want an argument with some poor bastard so I'm finished giving your kicks for the night.

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Originally Posted by JCBT

What about the studs up tackle your golden boy put on Liam Thornton and nothing was done? That tackle was a leg breaker yet your one eyed view of the game meant that you failed to see that. Also what about the constant shirt pulling and fouls in the back that was let go while the Bears would breath on a Jets player and a free kick would be blown.

The send off occurred directly in front of me and Micky Ryan himself said to me that the Jets player wanted the ball.

If you honestly feel that was a send off then you should go and support the Sydney Swifts and tape your nails up as that was the softest send off I've ever witnessed.

Weston do need to shut the **** up when it comes to mouthing off to the ref and I'm the first to say its a disgrace the way they act at times but you must admit the bias the ref had today was clear for all to see.

My gripe with you is also why bag the hell out of a group of supporters that are sticking by their club when the support for the game is getting less and less but then again why do you hate every NBN club with a passion?

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FFS who would be a ref!!! You said it "Weston do need to shut the **** up when it comes to mouthing off to the ref and I'm the first to say its a disgrace the way they act" If I was a ref after listening and putting up with that crap I would not give any favours (human instinct) very lucky not to had more yellow and red cards. Weston were undisciplined and caused their own issues. It was not all one sided what about the soft freekick/penalty given which the Weston goal was scored 99% of the time a ref would have pulled that back and had it retaken. Shirt pulling, come on happens in every game from both teams from games I have watched at all levels, being a bit petty. The send off soft yes but there was intent, rules of the game, seen the same thing happen in another game, can't remember if it was earlier this year or last year and ended in the same result RED card. Agree ref was poor but it was not bias just a lack of discipline as said agree with you about the KB tackle could have been sent. Not sure about your comment "the support for the game is getting less" maybe some clubs but overall I think it is pretty healthy been a follower for many years and the support is still there.

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Originally Posted by Imyourhero

In a realistic summary of today from a neutral perspective;
Jets won 3-1 however the win was hardly a convincing one.
First half was terrible by both teams, jets had the usual boring possession without really creating any exciting opportunities. Weston played counter attack football, which lets not forget is a legitimate tactic in the world of football especially considering that it is common knowledge with the way that the jets and all their youth teams play the same style of football where they are terribly unguarded to an effective counter attack. Thankfully for the jets Weston were very wasteful in the first half and in reality if their finishing/final third decisions were sharper they easily could have punished the jets. Then Ryan got sent, a key moment in the momentum of the match.

Second half was just a case of Weston losing the wind in their sales, mentally and physically. With Weston being a man down and not capitalizing on the opportunities they were presented with in the first half it was only a case of when, not if, the jets would finally break them down. In summary it was a classic match of football, and i firmly believe that it Weston had been able to score first they would have been able to ground out a result as per usual with their amazing ability to do so.

Will admit KB was a standout, and being held back with the players around him i believe is only going to be detrimental to his development. You can see that he is ahead of everyone in physical and mental skill and at times tries to take the piss too much. He needs to be training with the senior team full time which will either make him or break him.

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Finally...an unbiased account..............cheers

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Originally Posted by seldom

Jaffas on a bit of a roll...could be a darkhorse if they keep all their better players fit

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Yeah they seem to be doing quite well since Jobe and Abe took over the decision making for the team. I have heard there are a couple of senior players undermining the coach, which leads me to think he may not be there next year. That being said they have some fantastic individual elements to the team and if they continue to gel they will be unstoppable. Johnny Maj has to be the star in this team.

Will the Jaffas run into trouble with PL points system? FR can you shed light on this?

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Originally Posted by The Magician

HMMMMMMM... so no promotion relegation if Jets come last... interesting for New FM clubs... will Fed make call to relegate 2nd last competition team?... or just not ratify their (2nd and 3rd last placed teams) inclusion to the NPL... many ways this can pan out...

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No chance of that happening now. I feel for Lakes and Valo. It would be a terrible for the State League to lose Macquarie field, a venue that has so much potential but maybe David Eland wants to take it over maybe part of a bigger plan. As for Valentine with such a massive junior base I have no idea how they don’t have a dedicated football venue and better team considering their juniors. Maybe time for Lakes and Valo to join ranks and play out of Macquarie Field? They are geographically close to each other.

Not sure how the Federation thinks the new PL will be representative of the Zones and regions if we have a current concentration of Hamilton, Magic, Jaffas, and possibly Adamstown and Cookshill making their way to the top flight. Not sure what the answer is but definitely less travel for the locals. Maitland would be a better geographical inclusion to the comp. Who knows the Fed may bring up two teams.

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

How can there be criteria when the jets don't have a ground

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I take it you are complaining about getting an extra game of revenue for your club? Jets have a place in the SL and new PL and apart from the fact they will continue to pilfer players from the clubs they are competing against, they do offer interest in the SL and as I said offer clubs an extra one or two games for revenue. If they fail criteria, then the club their playing has failed criteria and should be pushed from the comp.

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Originally Posted by TheBean

lets all agree jaffas pumped magic yewwwwww

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As with the other games that had been played on the wet weekend and teams getting a rest I hear that Magic were very flat and not so much that the Jaffas played exceptional football. Skewed results always seem to come from these wet/rested/deffered games/teams. Like I said earlier the Jasffas have definitely picked up since Jobe entered the team. I wonder if Weston would have done better against Edgy if they hadn’t also played the previous week in the mud. Lets see how Hamilton, Azzuri, Jaffas, and Edgy go after their rescheduled matches which from memory had to be played within two weeks but only when it suited the league administrator.

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Originally Posted by pv4

in regards to valentine running out of food extremely early, and not serving any alcohol at all etc - do they get punished for that by the federation? am i right in saying that all venues MUST serve alcohol as they charge admission to get in and all that jazz? is there a book on NBN regulations in regards to what is expected of clubs on gameday?

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To sell alcohol you need a licence and Substantial FOOD and water to be available whist you sell the alcohol. If you have no food, lollies and smiths chips do not count as substantial, or free drinkable water available you are in breach of your licence conditions and therefore not able to sell alcohol.

There is no requirement in the rules for clubs to sell alcohol, from my knowledge. Any requirements relating to alcohol are primarily governed by liquor licencing. The Fed does however have the ability under the rules to prohibit or control alcohol sales, prohibit types of alcohol and strength of alcohol, ie 5%, 1.5%.

As forever red said “its financial suicide not selling coldies”. All be it on Valos head.

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

The magic game was called before 1 pm, not sure why, couldn't have been for wet surface as it hadn't rained since Friday, each to their own I suppose, don't want to go out in this weather anyway, the crickets on

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Probably because the field was still recovering from the previouse weekend v Sth Cardiff.

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Originally Posted by The Magician

Charlestown and Olympic has just been called off

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This was a strage call off.

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Edgy v jaffas are off

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No surprise there.

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Originally Posted by TheBean

what do we think the best surface is in NBN? obviously not edden, its gotta be olympic by a mile surely? pitch was rubbish at magic on sunday

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Magic for whatever their reasoning played the previous week in torrential conditions. I don’t know how many grounds can take that hammering and recover to be perfect the following week. For a rubbish field it still is by far the best facility in the league. Put things into perspective. Hamiltons pitch is generally the pick of the bunch. At present.

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Jaffas were the better team in what I can only describe as a very ordinary Game of football , charlestowns defence was not existent in the first half, I know you can only play what your opponent puts out but but a poor game overall, good luck to the jaffas

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But these are the games you need to win. Poor game, good result for moving up the ladder. As for moving up the ladder what is going on with Hamilton? Two wins and they are up there but gee its not a good position to be in at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Zico

Why do you have a gripe with the NBN clubs? from reading your posts you have a deapset hate of everything NBN except for the Jets Youth.

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Sorry Zico do not agree. I think MKFS can be over the top in his passion for the jets youth but he certainly gives it to them when they do not play well.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Elitism???:wacko: I don't think anyone is elite or that the Jets Yoof are entitled to sweep all before them. They have to earn their success like anyone else. When they lose I will also credit the victor and am harsh on them.

Weston have played the same style when I played them and for the last 20 years I know of and probably for the 100 years before that. Playing a physical style of long balls and bash and barging everywhere is always gonna struggle against a side trying to hold the ball as the Jets Yoof do if you can't get results from your one on one duels and get some set piece successes.

Maybe Weston need to look at their tactics V Jets Yoof Currently 4 played 4 Losses. Something ain't working

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I tend to agree these comments about the Weston playing style, it is very poor football, reminiscent of Hamilton at times but Hamo has less growl, but its providing results for them. They are one point off the lead, must be doing something right. The poor discipline and constant harassing of refs will win them no favours. When you play hard football you expect to see yourself in the referees note pad. They should not be whinning about this. As for the crowd, well they have to support their team wrong or right, but every supporter has a skewed view to their own club, so I would expect nothing less from the crowd feeling upset with decisions. I must say the number of jets games I have seen I often think the refs give them an easier ride.

Anyhow MFKS provides for interesting reading and offer this forum some light, for that we should be thankful.

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Originally Posted by seldom

Member For Kids Safety...weren't the yoof brought into the comp to harden em up week in week out...Grab another tissue and **** off Newcastle football doesn't need your kind of support

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Harden them up, or develop them? How do you see it?

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Originally Posted by CStein

What made Magic financially stable when they were building the facility? If you think the gfs built their facility i imagine you would be wrong. Dont forget the GF was only played there after they had completed the facility. If i recall correctly their dressing rooms were portable buildings and canteen was a lean-too in under a tree. Considering that so many facilitates have been built for clubs by gov or other, like Arthur Eden for example, clubs like magic deserve the support of Northern and whatever money they can make because it will obviously be reinvested into the facility for all clubs to share.

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Hook line and sinker again

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Comment still stands. I think it is sad that Northern will build the royal mint of football at Lake Macquarie, Lakes will be relegated, and the state gov and councils will have no money to help clubs like South Cardiff to improve their football facilities.

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Edgy believe the grand final is at their ground this year, only repeating what I heard on the weekend

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Has this been confirmed yet? And why does it take the Fed so long to think about and confirm where they are having a GF???

And yes hello to all i am back from NZ.

cstain you must be the biggest peanut on here by some distance

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Originally Posted by CStein

Yeah they seem to be doing quite well since Jobe and Abe took over the decision making for the team. I have heard there are a couple of senior players undermining the coach, which leads me to think he may not be there next year. That being said they have some fantastic individual elements to the team and if they continue to gel they will be unstoppable. Johnny Maj has to be the star in this team.

Will the Jaffas run into trouble with PL points system? FR can you shed light on this?


No chance of that happening now. I feel for Lakes and Valo. It would be a terrible for the State League to lose Macquarie field, a venue that has so much potential but maybe David Eland wants to take it over maybe part of a bigger plan. As for Valentine with such a massive junior base I have no idea how they don’t have a dedicated football venue and better team considering their juniors. Maybe time for Lakes and Valo to join ranks and play out of Macquarie Field? They are geographically close to each other.

Not sure how the Federation thinks the new PL will be representative of the Zones and regions if we have a current concentration of Hamilton, Magic, Jaffas, and possibly Adamstown and Cookshill making their way to the top flight. Not sure what the answer is but definitely less travel for the locals. Maitland would be a better geographical inclusion to the comp. Who knows the Fed may bring up two teams.



I take it you are complaining about getting an extra game of revenue for your club? Jets have a place in the SL and new PL and apart from the fact they will continue to pilfer players from the clubs they are competing against, they do offer interest in the SL and as I said offer clubs an extra one or two games for revenue. If they fail criteria, then the club their playing has failed criteria and should be pushed from the comp.



As with the other games that had been played on the wet weekend and teams getting a rest I hear that Magic were very flat and not so much that the Jaffas played exceptional football. Skewed results always seem to come from these wet/rested/deffered games/teams. Like I said earlier the Jasffas have definitely picked up since Jobe entered the team. I wonder if Weston would have done better against Edgy if they hadn’t also played the previous week in the mud. Lets see how Hamilton, Azzuri, Jaffas, and Edgy go after their rescheduled matches which from memory had to be played within two weeks but only when it suited the league administrator.



To sell alcohol you need a licence and Substantial FOOD and water to be available whist you sell the alcohol. If you have no food, lollies and smiths chips do not count as substantial, or free drinkable water available you are in breach of your licence conditions and therefore not able to sell alcohol.

There is no requirement in the rules for clubs to sell alcohol, from my knowledge. Any requirements relating to alcohol are primarily governed by liquor licencing. The Fed does however have the ability under the rules to prohibit or control alcohol sales, prohibit types of alcohol and strength of alcohol, ie 5%, 1.5%.

As forever red said “its financial suicide not selling coldies”. All be it on Valos head.



Probably because the field was still recovering from the previouse weekend v Sth Cardiff.



This was a strage call off.



No surprise there.



Magic for whatever their reasoning played the previous week in torrential conditions. I don’t know how many grounds can take that hammering and recover to be perfect the following week. For a rubbish field it still is by far the best facility in the league. Put things into perspective. Hamiltons pitch is generally the pick of the bunch. At present.



But these are the games you need to win. Poor game, good result for moving up the ladder. As for moving up the ladder what is going on with Hamilton? Two wins and they are up there but gee its not a good position to be in at the moment.



Sorry Zico do not agree. I think MKFS can be over the top in his passion for the jets youth but he certainly gives it to them when they do not play well.



I tend to agree these comments about the Weston playing style, it is very poor football, reminiscent of Hamilton at times but Hamo has less growl, but its providing results for them. They are one point off the lead, must be doing something right. The poor discipline and constant harassing of refs will win them no favours. When you play hard football you expect to see yourself in the referees note pad. They should not be whinning about this. As for the crowd, well they have to support their team wrong or right, but every supporter has a skewed view to their own club, so I would expect nothing less from the crowd feeling upset with decisions. I must say the number of jets games I have seen I often think the refs give them an easier ride.

Anyhow MFKS provides for interesting reading and offer this forum some light, for that we should be thankful.



Harden them up, or develop them? How do you see it?





Comment still stands. I think it is sad that Northern will build the royal mint of football at Lake Macquarie, Lakes will be relegated, and the state gov and councils will have no money to help clubs like South Cardiff to improve their football facilities.



Has this been confirmed yet? And why does it take the Fed so long to think about and confirm where they are having a GF???

And yes hello to all i am back from NZ.

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South Cardiff doesn't need help with their facilities, their moving along quite nicely, pick other clubs like olympic or lakes, Southy have more under cover seating then olympic with more in the pipe line and larger sheds, olympic have done nothing to their existing facilities for a while, lakes facilities are falling down around them, the outer ground resembles a waste land and dust bowl and have shown no improvement for a while, best you head back to your girlfriend ba ba in New Zealand champ

Olympic 5 phoenix nil, lakes 4 southy nil, Southy played second half with 10 men

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Olympic 5 phoenix nil, lakes 4 southy nil, Southy played second half with 10 men

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Are you sure about Lakes / Southy result???

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Originally Posted by CStein

Are you sure about Lakes / Southy result???

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Yep

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Yep

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That's gotta hurt...