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If those clubs can get more points with 4 teams than other clubs with 5 teams that suggests the 4 teams at Adamstown/NIAS are 4 strong teams and will compete strongly. Isn?t that the reason for the split so the teams are all relatively ?even?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Yes its a fair point but I dont believe its a good look.Im sure NNSW said one year of a missing team is ok,but consecutive years will be punished.I dont mind that as a policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
I agree with the policy. But also with 4 teams I can?t imagine they will finish in the top 4 in Div 2Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
NIAS is given its own special rules by NNSWF because they have gone multiple years missing an age group(s) without consequence. Get rid of them I say.
100% plus any other club that doesn?t fill quota of teamsQuote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Carl
Draws are up.
It looks like they have reset the ladders, don't believe this happen last year?
Div 1 big break down with the split
1. NCF ~ 112Pts (GD +70)
2. Magic ~ 105Pts (GD +103)
3. Edgeworth ~ 103Pts (GD +66)
4. Jaffas ~ 101Pts (GD +52)
5. Olympic ~ 94Pts (GD +64)
6. Lake Macquarie ~ 93Pts (GD +21)
7. Valentine ~ 87Pts (GD +16)
8. Maitland ~ 70Pts (GD +6)
RELEGATED
9. Mid Coast ~ 49Pts (GD -90)
10. Weston ~ 48Pts (GD -77)
11. New Lambton ~ 43Pts (GD -82)
12. Cooks Hill ~ 28Pts (GD -146)
A couple of teams have some catchup games
Olympic and New Lambton have an entire round against each other
And Valentine and Weston have a catchup in 18s
No idea how these will be caught up in a fair manner, i.e. what is in those games for the relegated teams; how will this effect placings at the end of the season for tier 1 (who don?t reset their points), etc
Of those relegates out of top 8 positions
U13: Mid Coast 8th
U14: New Lambton 8th separated to 7th on GD
U15: Weston 7th
U16: Mid Coast 4th separated to 3rd on GD and Weston 7th
U18: New Lambton 8th separated to 7th on GD
Of the safe teams, the luckiest safe team sits in last place with 1 win and 2 draws
Team with the best Goals For: Magic U13s (51)
Team with the Lowest GA: NCF U18s (5)
Highest win ratio:
(Team) Lake Macquarie U13s ~ 91% (Olympic 14s was 90% with an unplayed game)
(Club) NCF ~ 62%
Top 4 each age group: (if finals were held today)
13s ~ Lakes, Magic, Jaffas, NCF
14s ~ Olympic, Valo, Edgeworth, NCF
15s ~ Olympic, Jaffas, Magic, Valentine
16s ~ NCF, Magic, Jaffas, Mid Coast
18s ~ Edgeworth, NCF, Olympic, Jaffas
Div 2 and 3 reset last year, Div 1 was continuous...has Div 1 been reset also?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cunning stunts
Yep looks like Div 1 reset unless it just hasn't populated yet.
Where can I see division 1 draw
bloody hell, Jeterpool must be at home either quaking in his boots or :fap:Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
In all seriousness, appreciate the effort and time it takes to put these things together. Takes 2 minutes to read, but far longer to produce for the enjoyment of the foz.
Super impressive work and been very good for the first half of the year 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
We have been told all points and stats will carry over in Div 1 for the 2nd half of the year.They must not have been updated on the table yet but will be.I have been told 2 different outcomes for the unplayed New Lambton v Olympic round from different people who usually know whats going on so I'm not sure what to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Weston and Cooks Hill both clubs are spending big dollars on their TD'S, working a treat both have been relegated.
Great job. Got stat's on the other half of the comp?Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
You mean Tier II? (Or the girls)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
(I've kept stats for Tier I, II and Syd Div.1 boys competitions)
I'll prepare a similar report tomorrow for tier II if that's what you mean :)
PYL tier 2. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
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Originally Posted by Hunter403
Div 2
Half season break
1. Charlestown ~ 112Pts (GD +140)
2. South Cardiff ~ 102Pts (GD +96)
3. Belswans ~ 93Pts (GD +81)
4. NIAS ~ 72Pts (GD+65) ? relegated despite
RELEGATED
5. Rosebuds ~ 72Pts (GD +57)
6. Kahibah ~ 70Pts (GD -32)
7. West Wallsend ~ 63Pts (GD +3)
8. Cessnock ~ 61Pts (GD -19)
9. Toronto ~ 33Pts (GD -156)
10. Thornton ~ 32Pts (GD -73)
11. Singleton ~ 20Pts (GD -162)
12. VACANT
Rosebuds missing games against Singleton in 16s & 14s (might explain the NIAS relegation). If the games didn't go ahead, they obviously won't be now.
Of those relegated out of top 4 positions
(4 clubs staying in tier 2)
U13: NIAS 1st
U14: Kahibah 1st
U15: Kahibah 1st
U16: NIAS 4th
U18: West Wallsend 4th
Of the safe teams:
The luckiest team sits in 8th position with 3 wins, 2 draws
(negative GD, and a win ratio of just 30%)
Team with the best Goals For: shared
NIAS U13s & Charlestown U16s
(Both on 50, NIAS with the better goal difference, conceding just 7)
Team with the Lowest GA: Charlestown U15s (4)
Highest win ratio:
(Team) South Cardiff U16s ~ 90%
(Club) Charlestown ~ 72.9%
Top 4 each age group: (if finals were held today/relegation was by team and not club)
13s ~ NIAS, Rosebuds, South Cardiff, Charlestown
14s ~ Kahibah, Charlestown, Rosebuds, Belswans
15s ~ Kahibah, Charlestown, Belswans, South Cardiff
16s ~ South Cardiff, Belswans, Charlestown, NIAS
18s ~ Charlestown, South Cardiff, Belswans, West Wallsend
Which would be fairer, TBH
With 3 teams in first place being relegated
NIAS 13s have the greatest GD in tier II, of any age group (+43)?how does tier III now benefit those kids? To play against teams with a -42 or -58 GD for the rest of the year
How does Kahibah retain and grow for next year? If pro/rel was by team they could build on the successes of those 1st places. Now, their most talented kids will likely look elsewhere?because, despite their team and individual "excellence", they are pushed down by averages.
It would have been right to have let those kids play out the remainder of the year, and earn a trophy they deserve before a reshuffle based on club average
I was told that Rosebuds needed to only win the first game (13's) to get their PPG average above NIAS and guarantee promotion.They played the first game,won,got their PPG over NIAS then the rest of the games were called off due to weather.Pretty lucky huh.Anyway,they would have won at least one more game that day but luckily it all worked out for them and they stay up.The bigger issue is that if teams got 3 points for the win against a club that didnt field a team then Kahibah would still be in Div 2 and Rosebuds would be down.It turns out Kahibah were the only club that was punished for Rosebuds and NIAS not fielding teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
This needs addressing by NNSW. The lack of a punishment on the table is no deterrent.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
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Originally Posted by sapdad
PPG still would've come into play, even if we give Kahibah 3 points as Adamstown had a better PPG means they would be going up since all their games had not being played. You say they would've won one more game anyway which is true so that would put them on 75, not only 2 points ahead of Kahibah if they were given the 3 put also further ahead on PPG.
Also Adamstown didn't need to win just one game against Singleton, according to Northern before the weekend their PPG was 1.53 compared to NIAS 1.47 and Kahibah on 1.47 so were ahead of both anyway. It would've made more sense for Adamstown to play no games just to ensure they stay up.
I was told by one Kahibah coach that they knew they weren't going to get in about a month ago and so were just focusing on the second phase now in the bottom tier so much so that they had given teams off from training. Perhaps they could've kept trying to get more wins rather than giving up early on. Northern didn't punish them, they punished themselves by resigning to defeat too soon.
These will be marked as 0-0 draws and considered as played. Northern won't be using PPG to determine finals placings with Phase 1 games not being played.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Yep, if you can't get ahead with an extra game every week do you deserve to be there anyway? The split is meant to make it more like for like and the whole reason for doing it by club is so clubs focus on their full program rather than just caring about one or two really good teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
Would they have called all 4 games draws if they were washed out?I assumed because Rosebuds were 3 points behind NIAS and 1 behind Kahibah at the start of the day they needed to be even on points before PPG was factored in.I was told overall points was the only thing they used to determine standings and PPG was only used if clubs were tied.Regardless,we all agree Rosebuds with 4 teams doing better than clubs with 5 is a good achievement.Lets hope they can field full teams next year and like Azzurri bounce straight back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
No if they were all washed out it would've been deemed as games not played. As per the rules if not all games are played than PPG is taken into consideration to determine final standings if the team winning the unplayed games would put them above on points. Doesn't matter if they were ahead or behind. PPG is only used if not all games are played and the results over those unplayed games would result in them finishing above, if it does then PPG is taken into account. If all games had been played then if even on points it goes to who got the most points against the team they are tied against. If that is even then it goes to the club with the highest goal difference and then the club with the most goals and then the club with the least cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Had Adamstown played those final two games and lost both (very unlikely) then since when Adamstown and NIAS played each other they had 1 win and 1 draw each then it would go to goal difference which would be NIAS going up. It was in Adamstown interests to not even play the U13s since their PPG was already higher.
If they don't then Adamstown has had their year grace and according to Northern if you don't have 5 youth teams you can't be in NPL, will Northern follow their rules and also relegate Adamstown if they fail to field 5 teams next year.Quote:
Lets hope they can field full teams next year and like Azzurri bounce straight back.
Haha,clear as mud mate.Thank god I didnt even try and work that out my small brain would have snapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Bigger issue is do NO get to play NL? Can be a difference for the Premiership in DIV 1 in some age groups if points are continuing.
Understand the answer is No it will be classed as a draw. NO should be putting pressure on NNSWF to have them played. I'm sure NL would rather notQuote:
Originally Posted by Jim
If pro-rel happaned at the end of the season, not in the middle...there would be plenty of time to catch up these gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Northern also wouldn't have to dick around with a new draw either
Plus parents and kids that start having casual jobs can plan holidays and work availability in advance.
Apart from the extension regardless of the draw you know what weekends you're playing anyway, so no reason why holidays still can't be planned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
I do believe though that had we not had to have the extension the draw for this phase would've come out 2 weeks before round 1
You may know there will be a game on X weekend, but you won't know which day...that does make it hard to organise leave for any "long weekend" you may want to take :)
Same thing happens in the finals,do you want them abolished just so it doesnt interupt anyones schedule?I know its a hill you are willing to die on,but the current system isnt perfect,neither was the last one,and nor will the next one.We really just need to move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Finals affects a period of what, 2 weeks (half the clubs will already know they are not involved)...this redrawing affects half a season and all clubs 🤷Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
No one is taking about perfection, simply little improvements that can be made
Just to tidy up something,the tables have been updated with carry over points for Div 1 and the NL v Olympic games have been put down as a draw.
So has the Weston v Valentine games
Reminder, no top team should plan holidays straight after a scheduled GF. We've seen these put back a week more than once.
Does anyone think they will try and fill that vacant 12th spot in Div 2 next year.
To me, CGU would be a good inclusion...they already participate in our SAP/JDL structure...and would not impact current clubs pool a great deal
CCU sorry...damn auto fill
I guess that’d be a ccu decision…would they be better off in NSW NYL 3 or the NNSW NYL structure? And would a decision to move to NNSW NYL impact on their place in FNSW League 2? A lot to consider overall.
CCU are happy playing in Sydney doubt they will move in.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
I think the intention is to allow a Zone League club to take the spot. While Suns are up top of ZL1, wouldn't be surprised if Kotara are in talks they had an age group compete in each of the age groups for the Youth Cup this year.