CHicken or egg scenario there.Originally Posted by Grimario
CHicken or egg scenario there.
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Birraz has the better goal keeping attributes but BK is in better form at the moment. Birraz lost the trust from his defenders and was justifiably dropped to see if BK would fix the problem. BK hasn't solved the problem, but that doesn't make the decision a bad one yet. Birraz is still very young in goal keeping years so i'd rather seem him dropped to fix a problem than leave him on the field getting his confidence torn apart every time we concede.
Once Stubbs gets a group of players that can defend as a team, rather than a pack of numpties diving into every tackle and running around the pitch willy nilly, this argument can't really be based on the facts. Neither of them have a clean sheet this year so neither of them can boast too much anyway.
If Birraz doesn't take it on the chin and work hard to get back into the team he can kiss his Socceroos chances goodbye. It doesn't take much to become one of the players who never got their chance in the national side and eventually be forgotten.
Mother Teresa has it spot on.
I remember commenting at the time as those 40 yard shots were dribbling past Biraz into the net how bad the defenders were.
This is the best non-pool related thread on the Foz.
Top work lads.
As a defender I can tell you I'm much more comfortable with a GK behind me that is barking orders.
To me Birraz still feels like a kid finding his way, whereas BK is confident to tell his defenders what to do pre conceding a goal. IMO it serves nothing screaming at your defense just after a goal is scored, those directions are far better given during play to stop a goal being conceded.
In saying that, I think both are CB's are solid or better when they are inform. I also think that Neville has got loads of potential to be one of the better players to come through the jets, or more likely a player that leaves the jets only to go somewhere else and carve the league up there. It's really only LB not filled with a competent player, we just have an incompetent coach bringing everyone down I feel
I feel a warm glow when BK is in goal. Pity about the other lot.
No idea what you are talking about....end of.
Deaf, dumb AND blind...and you call yourself Mother Theresa.
Birraz got dropped for being poo, not because of his defence. BK was fine last night, if that was Birraz I would not have blamed him for the loss.
Your turn Tommy...
This argument is ****ing ridiculous. We'd still be a shambles with Neuer in goals.
Neuer OUT.
The first goal conceded against Wellington was poor goalkeeping. went to ground WAY too early without actually attacking the ball. The third goal it looked like he pulled his hands apart and left it. Again poor judgement and poor goalkeeping. How much of that can be attributed to too much time on the bench??? How long is a piece of string?
I do think Birraz is marginally the better keeper overall but our issues are further up the park and it is unfair to blame either keeper for the results so far.
I didn't rate BK's efforts for any of the goals tbh. He did a few good things outside of that though.
I also thought his distributing was very poor - thoughts GazFish?
OK
Havent seen the game, and have been warned by many not to watch it.
I do agree with skull above first one he went to ground too early.
Krishna's was a bullet, not many would have stopped it, his positioning seemed okay, haven't seen a clear enough replay of his footwork.
So Gaz, you've basically said that you haven't seen BK enough to judge him on all occasions he's played this year. But the goals are still leaking. Do you think, judging solely off the fact that you have no base to judge BK on apart from the scoreline and the few highlights available, that BK should be kept in or do you think Biraz deserves another chance?
OK
BK to stay in. he should be afforded just as many second chances Birraz has been in the past.
I think you could put Griff in goal and he would be as effective as either of the guys we have there at the moment.
Has Birraz ever let 3 goals in in the space of 5 mins??
Can't recall him doing so.
BK Out >> Birraz In
Goalkeeping was garbage.
Comes out gets nowhere near Burns and makes it easy for Burns to comfortably round him in the box and slot into an empty net. Burns Shooting is not his strong point would have been more beneficial to make him draw and shoot and hope he slotted wide or hit BK
Second one he got good hands on a shot and pushed it onto a post. Either catch it or clear it to safety not try palming it into the net FFS.
Third Good strike but shit goalkeeping - 30 Yards out he had a good view of it thanks to Neville getting out of his way!! Maybe time to get the lead out and actually dive. How you get beaten from 30 yards defies ****ing belief
BK Out >> Birraz In
It was the Newy boys who celebrated with Griff for the goal
what?
you asked me about the wellington goals.... and his distribution during that game. and ive previousdly mentioned i was not is graet position to view the factors impacting on distribution v wsw.
If you want me to say if he should be dropped, then no. not yet - as 380 says - he should be given as many second chances as Biraz was afforded.
Im not going to attack his form with no evidence, but im also not going to defend it.... jsut like ive beens aying ad neasuem about Birraz - hold them both to the same standard. this whole argmeunet about which is better, io couldnt care less for, im just hoping both get critiqued to same expectations.
Last edited by GazFish35; 08-12-2014 at 12:28 PM.
Goal 1: so he is one on one with the top scorer in the league and he's rubbish coz he got beat. Maybe he should have been more like Biraz and run out of the box and grabbed it.
Dickheads.
Goal 2: got a good hand to a stinging shot and maybe hoped one of his defenders might have helped out to try and stop that stinking Gypos' 4 attempts to tap it in.
Goal 3: legit, some of you blokes are ****ing retarded.
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