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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeterpool View Post
    Nope. Don't have that data. That's Opta level mate. Rolls Royce of stats. I'm more your Subaru model statto.
    Subaru is doing yourself a disservice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pv4 View Post
    Do you mean you want BK to take steps towards the side of the goal he knows the ball is going to?
    Legit, I was at that game.
    Remember that save like yesterday.
    Unbelievable.

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    Looking at the replay and with a left footed player taking the kick I would say it was more then reasonable to expect he was going to aim for the near post as that is the natural curve for a ball when hit with that foot in that position. In my opinion BK is only probably a half to three quarters of a full step from where he should be and this may have made a slight difference to the coverage he had for this kick. Even having one less in the wall would have positioned him in a better place to cover both the near and far post as it would have dictated his positioning. All in all it was a well taken free kick that in 80% of cases would never be saved but BK still should have dived with arms extended instead of like a salmon spawning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pv4 View Post
    Do you mean you want BK to take steps towards the side of the goal he knows the ball is going to?
    Yeah BK, be as good as DeGea FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local Rules View Post
    Looking at the replay and with a left footed player taking the kick I would say it was more then reasonable to expect he was going to aim for the near post as that is the natural curve for a ball
    Except this is the spot where someone should post the free kicks Goodwin and Ryan Griffiths scored from in the early games of a few seasons back. From memory both were in a similar position and both times they went far post and scored.
    I remember one against the Sydney bloke and he got caught out guessing it was going near post.

    But yeah anyway.

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    Bk really needs to start time traveling so instead of positioning and preparing himself for the multitude of possible outcomes from the free kick, he'll know what's going to happen, and just prepare for that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    Except this is the spot where someone should post the free kicks Goodwin and Ryan Griffiths scored from in the early games of a few seasons back. From memory both were in a similar position and both times they went far post and scored.
    I remember one against the Sydney bloke and he got caught out guessing it was going near post.

    But yeah anyway.
    Was not saying he was going to go this way but hitting a ball with the left foot the natural curve of the ball will bring it from BK's right to his left. To score far post the ball needs to start outside the post and draw back. As BK is right hand dominant this means he will have greater power driving towards the post to his right (far post) rather then his left which means to compensate for the weaker side (near post) he needs to position himself more towards that side. Good free kicks will always be scored and Hicks took advantage and placed it perfectly. Give him the same shot another 50 times with a keeper in and he probably makes 2. Goalkeeper is a mongrel of a position because people only remember the ones you let in not the ones you save.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local Rules View Post
    As BK is right hand dominant this means he will have greater power driving towards the post to his right (far post) rather then his left which means to compensate for the weaker side (near post) he needs to position himself more towards that side.
    A bit off topic but is this fact?
    I always thought that you had better reach with your 'opposite hand' i.e. diving to his left would have meant saving it with his right hand (Bozza always bangs on about this).
    I'm not sure how your theory fits in here.
    Can you elaborate?


    Not taking the piss I'm legit interested in what you meant here.

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    While I am more than happy to slag off BK... who gave the FK away? Maybe we should start looking at unnecessary fouls by our chumps.

    And before we start looking at unnecessary fouls, maybe we should look at the people who lose the ball in the first place.

    And before we start looking at people that lose possession all the time, maybe we should start looking at the bloke responsible for training them/bringing them to/keeping them at the club and implementing the tactics.

    In summary, Stubbins Out.
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    I think most people know that BK has a lot going on at the moment, but he still made the SBS team of the week, along with Regs. Shut the thread.
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    You are easily the worst person on this forum. Srs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GazFish35 View Post
    Can you link me the marinkovic one? I can't find it.

    And birraz? I'm not interested in comparisons between the two, that's been hashed out, but the fact you've forgotten one only serves my long standing point that anything BK does is tainted by his poor form years and years ago, and birraz was treated as the golden child by many fans (probably simply as he wasn't bk)


    Remember this one?
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KwvU270mOCA
    I thought we were discussing free kicks where a wall was set up and a direct free kick was gonna occur from in and around the D and not obscure FreeKick's being scored from

    I will play fair though and allow you that one with Birraz as it is about all that you will have to play with and just remember I am being generous as I could also include others like BK's inability to stop Welsh's 4 seconds of glory the other week


    As for Marinkovic's Free Kick it was in the game at the backend of last season where we were 1-0 up in Perth after a Taggz goal and coasting to the semis and Marinkovic scored a FK after a dubious foul by Griffo and then Chris Harold scored a minute later and we somehow blew a 1-0 lead in under 60 seconds in the last 5 mins.

    So far we have Birraz's one howler at Gosford in 70% of games in the last 3 years and 4 to BK in 30% of games in the last 3 years.

    Can someone then enlighten me as to what Birraz was doing cause he surely must have had to deal with some freekicks with a wall around the D in all those games he played to keep his stats so low compared to BK???

    Maybe BK is just shit unlucky or maybe Birraz knows how to set a wall properly???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local Rules View Post
    Looking at the replay and with a left footed player taking the kick I would say it was more then reasonable to expect he was going to aim for the near post as that is the natural curve for a ball when hit with that foot in that position. In my opinion BK is only probably a half to three quarters of a full step from where he should be and this may have made a slight difference to the coverage he had for this kick. Even having one less in the wall would have positioned him in a better place to cover both the near and far post as it would have dictated his positioning. All in all it was a well taken free kick that in 80% of cases would never be saved but BK still should have dived with arms extended instead of like a salmon spawning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by true waterboy View Post
    there is plent of hoping if you set up a wall and position yourself to not be able to cover the free space behind the wall if it does indeed go over.
    we arent talking about the ball going in top corner of the net, most of the free kicks he lets in are a good meter off the post. he should be able to get at least a hand to these as a professional keeper.
    most keepers you are confident if the ball goes over the wall they are a reasonable chance of getting a hand to it. with bk it feels like if the ball goes over the wall its game over.
    BK is working for us not against us. hope he stands backwards for the next one and randomly dives.

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    I think what Bozza is banging on about is using the top hand to make the save rather then being the dominant hand. If you are going single hand in order to parry the ball around the post then there will always be a stronger side where you push off. The save that he would have had to make for this would have been with the top hand if he hadn't salmon spawned it and put his hands by his side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk View Post
    BK is working for us not against us. hope he stands backwards for the next one and randomly dives.
    His success rate of stopping them will probably go up with the law of probability etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    I thought we were discussing free kicks where a wall was set up and a direct free kick was gonna occur from in and around the D and not obscure FreeKick's being scored from

    I will play fair though and allow you that one with Birraz as it is about all that you will have to play with and just remember I am being generous as I could also include others like BK's inability to stop Welsh's 4 seconds of glory the other week


    As for Marinkovic's Free Kick it was in the game at the backend of last season where we were 1-0 up in Perth after a Taggz goal and coasting to the semis and Marinkovic scored a FK after a dubious foul by Griffo and then Chris Harold scored a minute later and we somehow blew a 1-0 lead in under 60 seconds in the last 5 mins.

    So far we have Birraz's one howler at Gosford in 70% of games in the last 3 years and 4 to BK in 30% of games in the last 3 years.

    Can someone then enlighten me as to what Birraz was doing cause he surely must have had to deal with some freekicks with a wall around the D in all those games he played to keep his stats so low compared to BK???

    Maybe BK is just shit unlucky or maybe Birraz knows how to set a wall properly???

    What does a comparison of birraz v bk have to do with this anyway?
    That's been hashed out long ago, and birraz is now on the other side of the world.

    I reckon there's couple of hundred keepers in Europe better too, but it's nothing to do with the issue we are discussing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GazFish35 View Post
    What does a comparison of birraz v bk have to do with this anyway?
    That's been hashed out long ago, and birraz is now on the other side of the world.

    I reckon there's couple of hundred keepers in Europe better too, but it's nothing to do with the issue we are discussing.
    It actually is a fair comparison

    The bloke who has played 2/3 of the games in the last 3 seasons has let 1 free kicks in
    The bloke who has played 1/3 of the games in the last 3 seasons has let 4 free kicks in

    Maybe there are some fundamental issues with BK's work at Free Kicks because for some reason Birraz managed to keep the things out (bar the night at Gosford ) when he was in goals for us

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    Wow, there are so many variables, not least of which is your "off the top of my head" approach to data selection that I could counter your argument by pointing out that for those 30% of games birraz was worse (therefore not selected) than someone who was worse than him 70% of the time, and therefore assume that in those 30% of game birraz would have also let those 4 free kicks in.... And have as much plausibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GazFish35 View Post
    Wow, there are so many variables, not least of which is your "off the top of my head" approach to data selection that I could counter your argument by pointing out that for those 30% of games birraz was worse (therefore not selected) than someone who was worse than him 70% of the time, and therefore assume that in those 30% of game birraz would have also let those 4 free kicks in.... And have as much plausibility.
    My off the top of the head approach to data was only me indicating from my memory of what I can recall. I was not suggesting it was definitive and 100% and am happy to be proving wrong if you can remind me of examples of Birraz failing at FK's with wall.

    On another note I do like it how the tables have turned and you are arguing semantics with me as the actual debate gets side tracked

    Well Played

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    While I am more than happy to slag off BK... who gave the FK away? Maybe we should start looking at unnecessary fouls by our chumps.
    I already have a bit of a rant prepared for the Jetstream podcast to answer this.
    OK

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