Miller - He's Out (pg 25)

[halo se7en]

When it's all said and done I think Miller was destined not to be here for a long time. We should be grateful that his true colours finally came out before the season has started. Four totally unrelated sauces are saying the same thing about his egotistical style, arrogance and even bullying nature. The office staff are glad he's gone. Whether Trani ratted on him or not is irrelevant, it probably just brought the inevitable forward.
Someone mentioned that he was basically "a nobody who has achieved nothing, acting like he was Alex Ferguson"!
Will be interesting to see where he gets a gig after this.

Yet the players seemed pretty happy with him?

[plague]

No, we were not afforded the same right to assume Triff was rubbish.

Who said you weren't allowed an opinion?

[borat]

According to the various sources we have, a fair bit of blame is being unnecessarily attributed to Luc. Unfortunately he had to be let go as well as his position basically became untenable and to clear the decks for a new coach.
Scott had numerous opportunities to sort the situation out by actually sitting down and working through the various issues (the word trivial was specifically used) but wouldn't.
A lot of the rumors in media are made up, ie issues with Chinese triallist, blowing up over Kokko, etc.
But the main thrust of the story that a personality clash between Luc & Scott led to a him or me ultimatum was dimly viewed by the Chinese and forced the clubs hand is essentially correct.

So the players refusing to train for Trani is just a big coincidence hey. I think you are getting led up the garden path a little.

The general thrust of what you said I beleive to be correct. That this was just a series of really petty disagreements that Miller refused to sit down and discuss/mediate. Should the head coach have to with an assistant who had been here all of 5 mins is another story altogether. The Kokko story I have heard now from multiple sources as correct. But all it amounted to was Scott not being told Kokko was doing extras with Trani. Pretty minor really.

And that this is minor/petty is all the more disgusting from this club. They think so little of the supporters who have been loyal over the years to plunge us into turmoil yet again then just sort this crap out behind closed doors. And before you say Scott refused, he changed his tune when he realised the drums were getting louder. They should have given him a written warning. But no, let's just **** the season instead hey.

Trani deserved to and should have been sacked. Bad mouthing and whiteanting any employee is bullying and unprofessional, regardless if it's the boss. The guy is a scumbag and did the exact same thing to Mulvey. He has a massive chip on his shoulder and is jealous of younger coaches he deems himself to be superior to. If your reading Trani, I hope you got to wear that expensive suit you bought in the morning before being sacked in the afternoon. Good luck getting another assistant job, not sure the suit will help you now.

[hawk]

So is there ANY chance at all for Miller reinstated?

[borat]

So is there ANY chance at all for Miller reinstated?

0 chance. The Chinese don't back down once they make a decision

[furns]

And that this is minor/petty is all the more disgusting from this club. They think so little of the supporters who have been loyal over the years to plunge us into turmoil yet again then just sort this crap out behind closed doors. And before you say Scott refused, he changed his tune when he realised the drums were getting louder. They should have given him a written warning. But no, let's just **** the season instead hey.

From what we have learned, the club had apparently tried to sort this out numerous times behind closed doors trying to get Scott & Luc in a room to hash it all out and move forward.
Scott later realised he had stuck to his guns too long but by the time he had changed his tune it was too late.

Shit situation that was completely avoidable.

[furns]

0 chance. The Chinese don't back down once they make a decision

This

[lquiquer]

My logic says: when the assistant coach does not deliver to head coach expectations then assistant goes. Even in China. Could be worse in North Korea for exemple, the great leader would have had him executed.

[borat]

From what we have learned, the club had apparently tried to sort this out numerous times behind closed doors trying to get Scott & Luc in a room to hash it all out and move forward.
Scott later realised he had stuck to his guns too long but by the time he had changed his tune it was too late.

Shit situation that was completely avoidable.

Yes I have heard that, it's what Lawrie is saying and what Gatty is saying, which I am sure most realise by now is where Gatty gets his info. Straight from the horses mouth.

It's a big excuse from Lawrie to not be able to avert his first crisis as CEO. I have no doubt that Scott was billigerant and thought he was infallible, but so do most successful managers. Many of the things being spoken about Scott were said and worse about Ange and Arnie. IMO if we had Pignata or Tatsimas as CEO we don't end up in this position. And yes Scott didn't have close to the same success in his 1 season, but once we made the choice to enter pre-season we should have stuck with him.

There are alot of good things about Lawrie and imo may end up to be a fine CEO but right now we are paying for a CEO on training wheels. And that's not to mention the running flip/flop Twitter commentary and that info supposedly under a confidentiality agreement gets leaked to the press.

[borat]

My logic says: when the assistant coach does not deliver to head coach expectations then assistant goes. Even in China. Could be worse in North Korea for exemple, the great leader would have had him executed.

I agree.

But then the fault of employing a non-performing assistant falls with the Manager.

[stopper2]

Yet the players seemed pretty happy with him?

Who knows but I don't think we will be hearing from the players in the media about their opinions on Miller anytime soon.
Their job is to be 100% focused on playing and to not get involved in this sort of stuff.
Lee Ki-je obviously wasn't a big fan. Anyone wonder why out of the blue he left last season? Had nothing to do with his partner "not settling in" or whatever the BS story was in the media.
Singling out players in the media for criticism, segregating players who are supposed to be part of the squad from team meetings and the trip to China. This was how Miller rolled and he didn't compromise on his style right up to and including the Trani incident.
This is the whole crux of the matter....rightly or wrongly Miller did not want to change or compromise on his style/attitude as a coach to the new owner.
This attitude may be okay for an owner who says...."Okay you have 100% full control, do what you want, I will not try to influence your decision-making in anyway".
Lee however clearly wanted the situation with Trani to be sorted out but Miller wanted it his way and thus paid the consequences.
If this hadn't have happened in China, I'm sure something else over the course of the season would've occurred where Lee would've wanted Miller to compromise on his style/attitude and we would've got the same outcome as we did a few days ago.

[lquiquer]

Who knows but I don't think we will be hearing from the players in the media about their opinions on Miller anytime soon.
Their job is to be 100% focused on playing and to not get involved in this sort of stuff.
Lee Ki-je obviously wasn't a big fan. Anyone wonder why out of the blue he left last season? Had nothing to do with his partner "not settling in" or whatever the BS story was in the media.
Singling out players in the media for criticism, segregating players who are supposed to be part of the squad from team meetings and the trip to China. This was how Miller rolled and he didn't compromise on his style right up to and including the Trani incident.
This is the whole crux of the matter....rightly or wrongly Miller did not want to change or compromise on his style/attitude as a coach to the new owner.
This attitude may be okay for an owner who says...."Okay you have 100% full control, do what you want, I will not try to influence your decision-making in anyway".
Lee however clearly wanted the situation with Trani to be sorted out but Miller wanted it his way and thus paid the consequences.
If this hadn't have happened in China, I'm sure something else over the course of the season would've occurred where Lee would've wanted Miller to compromise on his style/attitude and we would've got the same outcome as we did a few days ago.

In my opinion all coaches should have 100% full control and be judged mid season or end of season. Results he stays. No results he goes.... Simple.... When chairman / CEO tell coach what to do and not do this is the beginning of the end and it never works

[Couscous]

The Chinese don't back down once they make a decision

Are the Chinese a hive mind? Is there any variation in the Chinese personality or do all Chinese adhere to these imperative norms you refer to?

[Bremsstrahlung]

In my opinion all coaches should have 100% full control and be judged mid season or end of season. Results he stays. No results he goes.... Simple.... When chairman / CEO tell coach what to do and not do this is the beginning of the end and it never works

Have to agree.

Some managers are cut-throat, will drop players at will, will sell players at will regardless of who they are and how long they have been around, some people (myself included) may not agree with the morals of this approach, but if it gets result....
Some managers are a great people-person and can relate to the players, encourage and get the best out of them by showing them loyalty and giving them a chance, again, if it gets results...

I guess the problem is no coach, player or committee member is bigger than the club itself. And once somebody thinks that somebody is trying to be bigger than the club, problems arise.


A little unrelated, but somebody was watching The run'n'cuddle footy show at work the other weekend, and they were talking about Nathan Brown. And they made a comment along the lines of, "It must be tough for Brown knowing that the fruits of all of this rebuilding, will be enjoyed by the next Knights coach".
To be honest, i think we are in a pretty similar position to the Knights, we've hit rock bottom, need to take some time to rebuild and everybody needs to realise that there is no quick fix to this.

Anyway, it's done, he's gone, next...

[halo se7en]

Who knows but I don't think we will be hearing from the players in the media about their opinions on Miller anytime soon.
Their job is to be 100% focused on playing and to not get involved in this sort of stuff.
Lee Ki-je obviously wasn't a big fan. Anyone wonder why out of the blue he left last season? Had nothing to do with his partner "not settling in" or whatever the BS story was in the media.
Singling out players in the media for criticism, segregating players who are supposed to be part of the squad from team meetings and the trip to China. This was how Miller rolled and he didn't compromise on his style right up to and including the Trani incident.
This is the whole crux of the matter....rightly or wrongly Miller did not want to change or compromise on his style/attitude as a coach to the new owner.
This attitude may be okay for an owner who says...."Okay you have 100% full control, do what you want, I will not try to influence your decision-making in anyway".
Lee however clearly wanted the situation with Trani to be sorted out but Miller wanted it his way and thus paid the consequences.
If this hadn't have happened in China, I'm sure something else over the course of the season would've occurred where Lee would've wanted Miller to compromise on his style/attitude and we would've got the same outcome as we did a few days ago.

I just take it from the Trani boycott that they obviously weren't happy with what went down, and the logical conclusion is that they weren't happy Miller was sacked.

If Miller knows he and Trani don't see to eye to eye, then mediation is absolutely pointless. This isn't a marriage that was once perfect - there's no kids here to protect. I'm guessing the working relationship was well beyond repair and Miller knew it. He seemed the type of person who knew exactly what he wanted and Trani wasn't it.

The club possibly said 'no, Trani stays' because they simply didn't want to pay him out. Otherwise why were they so hellbent on making it work?? The club ****ed up. No-one was going to miss Trani. No-one was going to hold the club or Miller to task over firing him because no-one even ****ing knew who he was and whether he was going to help us. Best scenario was to give Miller what he wanted. Pay Trani out (or just sack him? doesn't seem to be a problem). Give Miller an official warning behind closed doors and say "you hired this guy, you've ****ed up, we're giving you a chance to make up for it, but be very careful the next time you demand anything."

[The Dunster]

Trani deserved to and should have been sacked. Bad mouthing and whiteanting any employee is bullying and unprofessional, regardless if it's the boss. The guy is a scumbag and did the exact same thing to Mulvey. He has a massive chip on his shoulder and is jealous of younger coaches he deems himself to be superior to.

And yet the Jets appointed the bloke as the new assistant. Due Diligence goes missing in action once again at the Jets. Anyone involved in the decision to bring Trani to the club should be sacked.

[stopper2]

I just take it from the Trani boycott that they obviously weren't happy with what went down, and the logical conclusion is that they weren't happy Miller was sacked.

If Miller knows he and Trani don't see to eye to eye, then mediation is absolutely pointless. This isn't a marriage that was once perfect - there's no kids here to protect. I'm guessing the working relationship was well beyond repair and Miller knew it. He seemed the type of person who knew exactly what he wanted and Trani wasn't it.

The club possibly said 'no, Trani stays' because they simply didn't want to pay him out. Otherwise why were they so hellbent on making it work?? The club ****ed up. No-one was going to miss Trani. No-one was going to hold the club or Miller to task over firing him because no-one even ****ing knew who he was and whether he was going to help us. Best scenario was to give Miller what he wanted. Pay Trani out (or just sack him? doesn't seem to be a problem). Give Miller an official warning behind closed doors and say "you hired this guy, you've ****ed up, we're giving you a chance to make up for it, but be very careful the next time you demand anything."

Actually, I'm blaming FFA. They made the decision to give us a young rookie coach who hadn't done any hard yards as a Head Coach. Ange put his 2 cents worth recommending him as a young coach with potential (fair enough) but hey lets use the Newcastle Jets as the guinea pig because we want to go cheap and don't want to throw dollars at a regional club and get an experienced coach and really set this club up for the future.
Miller with his decade at Fulham as a youth coach, trainer (or whatever he was) and his Sports Science/ Psychology degrees comes here with the mindset that he is the next Alex Ferguson in waiting.
Sure he turned things around from the debacle under Stubbins with limited resources but he has done it by also being basically an arrogant pratt with an ego the size of Nobby's Head in the process.
I could go on but what's the point because he's gone and we'll probably never know the finer details of what actually happened in China.
Everyone just has to move on and accept it.
Rant over....yeah I've had a couple of wines so maybe I've rabbled on a bit!
#NTUA

[Wilso8948]

Man did this Miller bloke score 40 goals for us last season? Sure was disappointed but time to move on. Can't wait to get out and win games. People will forget pretty quick.

Oh wait. We don't win games. Lol.

Carry on

[Jeterpool]

Yes I have heard that, it's what Lawrie is saying and what Gatty is saying, which I am sure most realise by now is where Gatty gets his info. Straight from the horses mouth.

It's a big excuse from Lawrie to not be able to avert his first crisis as CEO. I have no doubt that Scott was billigerant and thought he was infallible, but so do most successful managers. Many of the things being spoken about Scott were said and worse about Ange and Arnie. IMO if we had Pignata or Tatsimas as CEO we don't end up in this position. And yes Scott didn't have close to the same success in his 1 season, but once we made the choice to enter pre-season we should have stuck with him.

There are alot of good things about Lawrie and imo may end up to be a fine CEO but right now we are paying for a CEO on training wheels. And that's not to mention the running flip/flop Twitter commentary and that info supposedly under a confidentiality agreement gets leaked to the press.

Or we have a CEO who is actively trying to respond to a situation which otherwise would have been a minor issue made a major one based on one of the parties not reading the situation correctly and another party responding in what we consider an extreme manner.

I imagine there's fires on many many fronts this guy is trying to extinguish - fans, members, media, players, football staff, backroom staff, applicants, owner, ffa, sponsors, foxtel to names quite a few

I've heard the same. Scott and Luc had an issue. Scott dealt with the situation incorrectly and tried to call the clubs bluff. It backfired and he lost his gig. He's young and he will learn.

[Jeterpool]

So is there ANY chance at all for Miller reinstated?

Zero