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    Quote Originally Posted by evanhayes5 View Post
    What are deals in the A-league worth?
    Clut would be on around $60k per season - based on what the minimum is and how the Jets always find a way to pay more than they have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeterpool View Post
    Kanta also qualifies for the percentage of his wage to be exempt from the cap because of his length of service to the club - another thing working for him. I still don't think we will re-sign him and I think he will move on.

    I remember we tried to play Brown and Ugarkovic together a few times this season and it didn't work. However there's nothing to say it can't in the future, but both of their games, naturally, seems to be looking to push forward where-as Poljak is comfotable sitting and roving.

    And more-so it's not what Poljak is on now, but what he is demanding for his next contract. But still, if Poljak doesn't see himself being a guaranteed starter he may question whether he wants to remain.
    In my opinion brown and ugarkovic should be competing for the one spot and we should be targeting a top defensive mid like an isais (re-signed so not happening), someone who can control that midfield and allow brown or ugarkovic to push further forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeterpool View Post
    Kanta also qualifies for the percentage of his wage to be exempt from the cap because of his length of service to the club - another thing working for him. I still don't think we will re-sign him and I think he will move on.

    I remember we tried to play Brown and Ugarkovic together a few times this season and it didn't work. However there's nothing to say it can't in the future, but both of their games, naturally, seems to be looking to push forward where-as Poljak is comfotable sitting and roving.

    And more-so it's not what Poljak is on now, but what he is demanding for his next contract. But still, if Poljak doesn't see himself being a guaranteed starter he may question whether he wants to remain.
    Poljak won't start for any other HAL team. If he wants to remain as a professional player in Australia he will take a pay cut and be happy with a squad role.

    I don't buy the theory that Brown can't play as an 8. Yes we lost when he played there but we also had no movement further up the park and plenty of injuries if I remember. With a decent striker infront Brown has the talent and engines that Poljak doesn't. Petratos is coming to play #10 so Brown needs to move further back and certainly not wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommyjet View Post
    In my opinion brown and ugarkovic should be competing for the one spot and we should be targeting a top defensive mid like an isais (re-signed so not happening), someone who can control that midfield and allow brown or ugarkovic to push further forward.
    Not bad thinking but would leave Ugarkovic on the pine permanently imo. We should have more faith that Ugarkovic will grow into the role

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    The home grown bonus and loyalty bonuses are irrelevant when we aren't using the designated (marquee) player positions.

    The Jets work on a budget and regardless of which supplement we use we stay within it.

    What I mean is there should be no consideration for Kanta being on the loyalty bonus if we aren't using the designated players. Both are outside the cap.
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    I'd sign Kanta for $65k a season - but no more. And given what's on offer in Thailand and so on there's no way he would stay for that sort of money.
    If the club were to offer him even $100k a season it would be a massive mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommyjet View Post
    In my opinion brown and ugarkovic should be competing for the one spot and we should be targeting a top defensive mid like an isais (re-signed so not happening), someone who can control that midfield and allow brown or ugarkovic to push further forward.
    I agree with you about the holding mid.

    I personally think in the next 12-18 months we will see Ugarkovic head overseas so perhaps we are anicipating that in our decision making.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borat View Post
    Poljak won't start for any other HAL team. If he wants to remain as a professional player in Australia he will take a pay cut and be happy with a squad role.

    I don't buy the theory that Brown can't play as an 8. Yes we lost when he played there but we also had no movement further up the park and plenty of injuries if I remember. With a decent striker infront Brown has the talent and engines that Poljak doesn't. Petratos is coming to play #10 so Brown needs to move further back and certainly not wide.
    I think Poljak would start for the Mariners and Nix.

    I think Brown can play as an 8 as well (definitely not wide - I agree). Where I was trying to go was saying that both Ugarkovic and Brown (both who I see as an 8) would leave us a bit more exposed because they want to move forward naturally as a part of their game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borat View Post
    The home grown bonus and loyalty bonuses are irrelevant when we aren't using the designated (marquee) player positions.

    The Jets work on a budget and regardless of which supplement we use we stay within it.

    What I mean is there should be no consideration for Kanta being on the loyalty bonus if we aren't using the designated players. Both are outside the cap.
    I think I can see where you're coming from. You're saying if we have $X to spend outside the cap, we should be prioritising it towards a marquee instead of using it to fund other places outside the cap like the loyalty bonus or NPL player?
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    Quote Originally Posted by borat View Post
    Not bad thinking but would leave Ugarkovic on the pine permanently imo. We should have more faith that Ugarkovic will grow into the role
    Brown could also play behind the striker aswell but I'm sick of hearing people worry about too much competition for places. We need competition for places.
    Let's say hoole re-signs and is playing dross again at the start of next season but we have better back up options like replacing him with petratos and moving brown up to attacking mid and bringing ugarkovic in at 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeterpool View Post
    I think I can see where you're coming from. You're saying if we have $X to spend outside the cap, we should be prioritising it towards a marquee instead of using it to fund other places outside the cap like the loyalty bonus or NPL player?
    Was more saying that just because Kanta has been here for years it shouldn't influence our decision to sign him as long as we don't use marquees. We are going to spend X amount on players whichever outside cap allowance we use.

    If we had used all our cap and signing Kanta allowed us to move 150k outside the cap, we could alternatively make Boogaard a marquee and move his 300k outside the cap.

    Using the loyalty allowance isn't such a draw card as it would be for SFC who use all of them and can access an extra 150k they wouldn't be able to otherwise.

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    NPL player has the added benefit of a 24th squad member, as opposed to the others that come within the 23

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    Quote Originally Posted by borat View Post
    Was more saying that just because Kanta has been here for years it shouldn't influence our decision to sign him as long as we don't use marquees. We are going to spend X amount on players whichever outside cap allowance we use.

    If we had used all our cap and signing Kanta allowed us to move 150k outside the cap, we could alternatively make Boogaard a marquee and move his 300k outside the cap.

    Using the loyalty allowance isn't such a draw card as it would be for SFC who use all of them and can access an extra 150k they wouldn't be able to otherwise.
    Cheers, thanks for clearing that up
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    Jets need to start using all the outside the cap allowances at our disposal, teams like Sydney and Victory do it every season and it's part of the key to how they're so successful

    Also saw in the article about Kokko not getting much game time they mentioned signing some more young players, all for signing youth but hopefully jones doesn't go to all in on young unproven kids

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    Jets need to start using all the outside the cap allowances at our disposal, teams like Sydney and Victory do it every season and it's part of the key to how they're so successful

    Also saw in the article about Kokko not getting much game time they mentioned signing some more young players, all for signing youth but hopefully jones doesn't go to all in on young unproven kids
    For anyone interested, it said Mark Moric was signed, and a deal with Mario Shabow is close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmeletteDuFromage View Post
    For anyone interested, it said Mark Moric was signed, and a deal with Mario Shabow is close.
    I hope that's a youth contract and not an A-League one ? Otherwise we are just rolling the dice /developing talent for Sydney FC and so on. Because if any of these kids show they are ready the bigger clubs will snap them up very fast. And if they don't make the grade , which is the usual case - the jets waste time and money on a lottery when they could have simply paid for a proven player instead - for less money in the long run.
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    Moric is 17 so you would hope it's NYL. Shabow is on a senior deal at WSW so it would be a senior deal for us as well

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    On this topic, why are transfer fees not allowed in the league? I don't see what the point is. Transfers still happen, but the original club just gets screwed and the existing contracts are "mutually terminated". Can anyone shed some light?

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    Quote Originally Posted by borat View Post
    Moric is 17 so you would hope it's NYL. Shabow is on a senior deal at WSW so it would be a senior deal for us as well
    Surprised we haven't seen more of shabow for west Sydney. I remember seeing him against the mariners and he certainly had some skill and also aggression beyond his small stature.

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    The question that needs to be asked is why don't WSW wish to retain Shabow ? Considering their lack of goal scorers that should be a signal for the jets to run a mile. Add to that only on 1 year deal at WSW and only had one appearance - and that was against the Gypos.

    Lets hope he came very cheap.

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