2023 Premier Youth League

[magician]

This response is defensive drivel and the personal attacks also warrants a return of serve.
First, because its always been done doesnt make it right and next its a rort NNSW can afford.

As for the personal attacks thats make you the ahole as usual.

And you expect anything different from someone from magic 🤷*♂️

[Taffy]

*snip*

What a defensive post, I understand Peter is an ex-Magic player and in his past roles with Northern have helped out Magic immensely so of course your will support someone who favours Magic.

The rest of your post is dribble that goes on about things that weren't raised in the original post.

[Taffy]

Back to football...there was some good football today (mixed in with some interesting refereeing and red cards in the 18s) between Westy and Kahibah youth in all grades. Both clubs really trying to develop good football teams. Great to watch.

What about the 7 red cards handed out in the 18s?

[JettyJet]

Does the kids rego money cover the new CEOs all expenses paid trip to Japan with the 14s???

Why does the CEO need to go on this trip at all?

A number of the touring party are covered most generously by the hosts, previous people who have had his role have gone in the past. NNSW is very lucky to be annually offered this opportunity over other representatives from Australia. Diplomatically if the CEO is invited it would be very disrespectful not to attend! . The Tournament is seen as an opportunity to forge relationships abroad and strengthen relationships that could possibly lead to teams touring NNSW etc. Also it's the year 2023, large parts of his role can be performed remotely.

[KITZ]

TSP isn't a team though. Arguably they are mostly just helping along those tier 1s (whose.players make up the bulk of the inclusions) by giving some of their kids an extra night to train with other quality kids (nothing wrong with that either)...my concept would be more like that TSP team forming a regular season team, competing up an age group for greater challenge (not just physically, but the speed of decision making)...with a focus less so on "winning" (that clubs especially need to be mindful of now due to the pro/rel of kids sport (adults should have this system, well before any kids teams), and more about the long term development of some of our hugely talented kids

And offers a transition step to and from the Jets

So I think what I have suggested is quite different in that regard

If you were going to do that you wouldn't bother playing up an age in Newcastle, you'd register a rep team under NSW football (like NSW football have in their girls institute) and register them to play NPL in Sydney. Top of NPL2 / NPL 1 is where you get the football that's going to make players that either go further or play senior football in Newcastle or elsewhere. A rep team from NNSW should compete at least at that level, any lower than that and might as well stay here but have reasonable expectations that is the limit of development on offer.

[WOW2.0]

@Kit

Sad to interject into the above discussion re: trip to Japan...learn a lot when people argue :P

We already have a local team playing in FNSW (the Jets)...I don't think tier 2 in Sydney is worth the travel (personally), an age group up though there's the crux of a challenge

[Jim]

A number of the touring party are covered most generously by the hosts, previous people who have had his role have gone in the past. NNSW is very lucky to be annually offered this opportunity over other representatives from Australia. Diplomatically if the CEO is invited it would be very disrespectful not to attend! . The Tournament is seen as an opportunity to forge relationships abroad and strengthen relationships that could possibly lead to teams touring NNSW etc. Also it's the year 2023, large parts of his role can be performed remotely.

Yeah nah. nice happy clappy story there but most can see through these charades now.

Its a junket for the well to do. Do some research

[Hunter403]

What about the 7 red cards handed out in the 18s?

I've told you thousands of times not to exaggerate ......there were 4 reds to one side with one being for a team official. Doesn't mean there wasn't some good football played across the day and even within that match.

[Jim]

If you were going to do that you wouldn't bother playing up an age in Newcastle, you'd register a rep team under NSW football (like NSW football have in their girls institute) and register them to play NPL in Sydney. Top of NPL2 / NPL 1 is where you get the football that's going to make players that either go further or play senior football in Newcastle or elsewhere. A rep team from NNSW should compete at least at that level, any lower than that and might as well stay here but have reasonable expectations that is the limit of development on offer.

Great concept but imo and age up here should do the trick. Suppose it depends if we'd get enough families committing to the travel for a full season and the extra fees.

[Taffy]

I've told you thousands of times not to exaggerate

I hope that was on purpose

[QUOTE}there were 4 reds to one side with one being for a team official.[/QUOTE]

I was told by Westy people that was 3 players two officials which makes 5

[Hunter403]

I hope that was on purpose

there were 4 reds to one side with one being for a team official.

I was told by Westy people that was 3 players two officials which makes 5

3 and 1 as I recall unless I missed something. There was so much going on there might have been more, but I didn't see it. Hope not.
Yes, on purpose. It's an old joke.

[Captain_Carl]

The JDL program has produced a higher standard of technical ability,but it hasnt benefited clubs who developed them.Your example above if Im correct had their 2 best kids go to the superteam that was almost entirely recruited from outside their own juniors.Does that make the recruiting club succesful?Problem will be that the superclub will lose players next year to various other programs and will recruit from outside again.So the club will look good from afar from a results basis but what have they actually done to raise the standard of the whole age group?and most importantly,is it the clubs job to train the kids or just recruit?Because there is no benefit to developing is there?On the flip side the consistent top 3 youth clubs develop kids, the Jets and other higher levels come and take them and what do they get for it?Then they are forced to recruit outside their kids and everyone blames them for buying a comp.The only upside is that we stay the course,get NNSW to bring more and more kids into the JDL structure and hopefully give the clubs a reason to keep developing them.The downside is if we go back to the old system,it becomes more exclusive and we end up like the womens NPL where the top tier talent just goes to where the best deal is and walks the comp every year.The JDL system needs a good generation to even begin to get real results.Im happy to keep it going.

JDL has produced a higher standard of technical ability compared to what? Surely not compared to Zone SAP?

[Aegon]

JDL has produced a higher standard of technical ability compared to what? Surely not compared to Zone SAP?

100%

The most important factor is that kids develop at different stages.
Rather than only 40 odd kids being developed at an earlier age you now have 100+
Under zone SAP kids who got in were not often replaced, now you have 100-200 kids receiving an equivalent level of training and it's very apparent that the best 9 and 10 year olds are not necessarily the best 11, 12 or 13 year olds.
Many kids who are in the Jets or TSP in 13's and 14's were not the best kids in their early JDL/SAP years.

[WOW2.0]

@Aegon..."...it's very apparent that the best 9 and 10 year olds are not necessarily the best 11, 12 or 13 year olds.
Many kids who are in the Jets or TSP in 13's and 14's were not the best kids in their early JDL/SAP years."

I think it's fair to say that likewise the best 11, 12 and 13s will not necessarily be the best 15, 16 and 17 year olds too


What you said also checks out with statistics from Germany's development system, that shows next to no kids who received specialised (SAP/JDL type) training at a young age make it far in their football endeavours, the majority of those who do make it in their system apparently only begin "proper" coaching from the age of 17 and upwards

Details in this documentary you might find interesting: https://youtu.be/3beI0f8G-3A

[sapdad]

What you said also checks out with statistics from Germany's development system, that shows next to no kids who received specialised (SAP/JDL type) training at a young age make it far in their football endeavours, the majority of those who do make it in their system apparently only begin "proper" coaching from the age of 17 and upwards

I still maintain that its not the program itself thats the problem,its the way coaches are implementing it.To see how many kids are now in NPL youth that have spent 4 years in JDL but cant use both feet, cant shoot and have zero close control is pretty depressing.But they are big and strong and run fast so they get spots and when everyone else catches up physically then are discarded because they arent good enough.Id love to tell every JDL parent out there that if your kid isnt focusing on the 4 core skills of the program then give up now because their shelf life is limited and to save the money.Its hard to blame coaches though when the pressure from everyone involved from day 1 is judged by winning.Theres honestly no simple answer.

[Taffy]

I still maintain that its not the program itself thats the problem,its the way coaches are implementing it.To see how many kids are now in NPL youth that have spent 4 years in JDL but cant use both feet, cant shoot and have zero close control is pretty depressing.But they are big and strong and run fast so they get spots and when everyone else catches up physically then are discarded because they arent good enough.Id love to tell every JDL parent out there that if your kid isnt focusing on the 4 core skills of the program then give up now because their shelf life is limited and to save the money.Its hard to blame coaches though when the pressure from everyone involved from day 1 is judged by winning.Theres honestly no simple answer.

Well of course there needs to be better coaching which comes from better coach development, but I see kids who came through the old SAP program (the last of which are currently in U15s and having been involved in the SAP program and now in Div 1 I know who they are) and I still see many of them that can't use both feet, don't know how to control a ball, can't shoot, don't know how to position themselves to make a touch forward as well.

[WOW2.0]

I haven't noticed anyone really following the curriculum (much maligned as it is)...

Decoupling probably only makes that propensity toward recruiting whoever is biggest, strongest and fastest, over development, even worse...(less drive to develop potentially very talented kids, and mistaking winning for development, etc)

I guess that's why the private academies are so popular...an acknowledgement that the clubs aren't so capable of developing kids... maybe (in a best attempt to be diplomatic)

[sapdad]

Well of course there needs to be better coaching which comes from better coach development, but I see kids who came through the old SAP program (the last of which are currently in U15s and having been involved in the SAP program and now in Div 1 I know who they are) and I still see many of them that can't use both feet, don't know how to control a ball, can't shoot, don't know how to position themselves to make a touch forward as well.

Im not advocating for the old system if thats the impression you got from my post.I am saying that the framework is correct,the implementation is incorrect.A lot of clubs and coaches are doing a great job.Some are not.Id love to see NNSW spend more time with coaches helping them.Even if its down to dedicated assessors at the facility every time NPL youth play North Coast, just to have a look over each club,making recommendations or following up on things they see.Every little bit helps.

[jessepinkman]

I guess that's why the private academies are so popular...an acknowledgement that the clubs aren't so capable of developing kids... maybe (in a best attempt to be diplomatic)

Private academies exist because parents will open their wallet for an ex a league player or a coach with a licence that?s hard to fail but costs a lot of coin to achieve

I would say there are less private academies where you?d get your $ worth than there is clubs where you?d get your $ worth

[WOW2.0]

...I wish I had such a wallet :P ��