What break have they been given?Originally Posted by sapdad
What break have they been given?
Not having a 16?s team will hold Charlestown back, or at least put pressure on the other ages to perform well to get them back in Div 1 next year.
If NNSWF were really serious about it they?d punish the clubs who don?t have an age group by calling the game a forfeit rather than putting byes in.
Not sure about BelSwans, couple of ages doing OK, couple less OK, that said, they and others have only played 2 games with Sundays games being washed out so hard to really gauge at this early stage. At the end though, I?ll be surprised if they start in Div 1 next season.
Like this idea
"It is not that I am afraid to die; its just that I don't want to be there when it happens" - Woody Allen
Their 16s games are being called a bye instead of a forfeit which means that instead of opposition clubs getting the 3 points every week they stay even.Across the rounds thats 21 points in the club championship they wont have to catch up with other grades.
So there is no punishment at all. I can?t believe all the other clubs haven?t got together to write away to question this. If a team was to forfeit on the day of a game it would be a 3-0 lose. What?s the difference here
I dont know if theres anything more to it.There are usually a few people on here with very strong NNSW links who clarify a lot of these type of things.Hopefully they can shed some light on it.
Well that was the same in the first part of the season as well. Only 7 rounds so only 21 points go missing compared to 39. Would only be an issue if they finish in top four by less than 3 points.
Not sure what you mean by 21 points they won't have to catch up, Charlestown can at most only get 12 points per round compared to other clubs that can get 15 points per round. Maximum they can get is 84 points. Is that enough to stay top 4? I don't know but they did only finish in front of New Lambton and Cooks Hill in the first part of the season
Yes I didnt word that correctly.I bet theres a few clubs that would love to call some of their grades a bye as well so as not to donate 3 points every week to the opposition.
I mean a forfeit and a bye are different. One means there is a team to play in the competition and one that doesn't. All it would mean is that every club gets an additional 3 points for the club championship. Would only be a real issue if Charlestown go up to Div1 by less than 3 points.
It's not that. It's as described elsewhere. You must be punished for not fielding all teams. There are teams which have accrued 0-6 points this year. Those clubs would be far better off not fielding a side in those age groups if there's no punishment for not fielding a team.
Charlestown shouldn't be eligible for promotion. Same goes for any club not fielding sides in all age groups.
Well the punishment says that each club gets one year to rectify if they can't field all teams and must have all teams to compete in the NPL. This is Charlestown's first year of not fielding all teams. An problem of the club's own making.
I will be curious to see if they don't get all youth teams next year will Northern follow their own rules and drop Charlestown down to NL1.
If you cant supply a team you deserve zero pts for that age AND if that means not enough to pts stay up then down you should go down.
Let's hope NNSWF has some courage. I have my doubts.
Not being picky here but we also need to remember that NPL and NL1 no longer exist in Youth Football. It is PYL with Div 1 and 2 in the first half of the season and Groups A,B and C in the second half. One comp.
There should no longer be any favours given to any club as all play in the one comp, all have the same fees to NNSWF, the same ref fees etc. The only non result driven difference is what clubs can offer (programmes, kits etc) and how much they charge (currently ranging from $950 to $2,200).
On the field, may the best team win.
I just want the same rules and conditions applied to all.
"It is not that I am afraid to die; its just that I don't want to be there when it happens" - Woody Allen
I hope they put 18s back with seniors next year.No one has ever explained what the benefit was to move them.18s should be in and around the top squad on gameday not hanging around all day for the little kids to finish before kicking off.Maybe instead of 2nd bottom going into a playoff next year why not lowest team in senior club championship across 3 grades.Will at least promote clubs to not stack all their resources into the 1st team squad.Just an idea.
Great effort by Belswans today. 4 wins and a draw vs Adamstown
True, what I meant though when talking about NPL and NL1 is the senior squad. You can't have your 1st grade team in NPL unless you have all youth grades. So since this is Charlestown's first year grace, next year if they can't their 1st grade team should be dropped
Now NPL is over how many NPL clubs not in finals will be dropping their young players down the grades.
Hopefully every player who is registered and qualifies to play gets a run.We cant sit on here and laud clubs for promoting youth then claiming its unfair when they go back and play their appropriate age.NNSW have made football about results so clubs chasing them shouldnt feel the slightest bit guilty about how they do it as long as the rules are followed.Im not saying youre making that argument but theres no doubt going to be people on here who thinks its unfair,and usually those people have vested interests.
Top 4 in all grades with most ages having a game in hand.They will be up next year which means at least 3 clubs who started the year in Div 1 will be not going back up.The player merry go round is only just getting started.Full credit to NNSW on this one theres a few clubs who need a real hard look at their youth setups.
This along with player retention/loyalty, are always a similar argument for me.
Is it fair to drop players down grades in finals? Is it allowed?
As per rules, if they allowed to do so and players are eligible, then some clubs will.
There may be some extenuating circumstances, Eg players performing well in a grade and being called up to fill in for a few week to cover injuries/for experience. No problems with these players coming back. For arguments sake, we will stick with the players that are playing in an age group, but we’ve realised they are young and could play down… if we make the finals.
Now depending upon where you fall, depends on how you view it.
Opposition : no, totally unfair.
Player: meh, more games.
Teammates not making way for new player: mixed. Might be good to give us a better chance at winning.
If you’ve got your game time or position lost due to this: pissed.
The general consensus would be that the players that play through the year, earn the right to play the finals games.
Surely, if your clubs management insist on dropping players back to win, at the expense of other players, that’s a bit of a red flag to players and parents? And wouldn’t you think twice about going to a club like that?
Clubs build reputations. It’ll catch up with them eventually. If not, then people are just buying into the same rubbish.
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