2024 Premier Youth Leagues

[sapdad]

Also kotara can't have JDL teams without a licence and northern don't just go around handing out JDL licences to clubs for funsies. It's unlikely clubs in the middle of Newcastle will get them, they will want them to spread outwards from the Newcastle centre where there's a serious lack of training grounds.

Im well aware of how the JDL licence issue works.It has been expanding since year 1 and a few of us were just discussing that IF they grant more licences where they would go.Im not out here advocating for Kotara I merely stated that there were a few kids who ended up making the Jets and being involved in TSP that started their miniroo program at Kotara.I am in favour of granting more licences especially if it gives more kids opportunities to develop at their local club as long as the governing bodies make sure that the appropriate resources are provided to help coaches and clubs make the most of it.

[sapdad]

WOW is right, an 18 game season is ridiculous and I'm not sure it's worth the $1000 less I paid in fees Vs the 30 game season my kid got last year. Its almost 5 less games a season then the last system and I can't for the life of me work out why we don't play everyone twice after the season splits.

Totally agree with WOW,Hacker,you and everyone else on this.Clubs were out there playing trials in November 2023 in preparation for the 2024 season.I sure clubs would love less trials and more comp games.Home and away in phase 2 is the best idea Ive heard for sure.

[The Magician]

Community clubs will be able to apply for JDL licences from 2026

[WOW2.0]

I had been taking to the president of my boys very first club (relatively small community) a couple of months ago, and he'd said they were exploring obtaining a SAP licence

More SAP licences doesn't fill the vacancy for PYLB though with just 23 of 24 cub spots filled this season.

That 5 game tier 3 phase 2 in 18s is shocking

[sapdad]

Hopefully they will be competitive. Does JDL have tiered comps?

They are implementing a tiered system for clubs (starting next year) I havent heard too much detail how it will all work though.

[sapdad]

More SAP licences doesn't fill the vacancy for PYLB though with just 23 of 24 cub spots filled this season.

That 5 game tier 3 phase 2 in 18s is shocking

They are two different issues,more JDL programs is to build the next generation to be better than the last and provide more opportunities to kids.I agree with the lack of 18s teams,its not good enough especially at that age.After 16s theres on average half the playing group that cant get spots in 18s for the following year.Where do all those players go?Why arent clubs who struggle at that age able to find all these kids who get cut?Are there that many that give the game away or is there a better level for them to play at?Do they go straight into ZPL teams?I dont know but would be interested to know what the difference is between NPL 18s and ZPL level for kids of that age.I still wish 18s would be included back in the seniors program rather than count for juniors,but thats a different conversation.

[Taffy]

They are two different issues,more JDL programs is to build the next generation to be better than the last and provide more opportunities to kids.I agree with the lack of 18s teams,its not good enough especially at that age.After 16s theres on average half the playing group that cant get spots in 18s for the following year.Where do all those players go?Why arent clubs who struggle at that age able to find all these kids who get cut?Are there that many that give the game away or is there a better level for them to play at?Do they go straight into ZPL teams?I dont know but would be interested to know what the difference is between NPL 18s and ZPL level for kids of that age.I still wish 18s would be included back in the seniors program rather than count for juniors,but thats a different conversation.

Look at the two clubs struggling with 18s though, all those questions and none are really the answer including taking 18s out of youth (though let's be honest most are still Youth almost all of the Magic 18s are only turning 16 this year). Wallsend never really focused on youth and treated it as an afterthought, that coupled with poor 1st grade results meant players leaving the club and so none coming up from younger age groups.

The other club is NIAS, they have a smaller base of players than North Coast and less 17 and 18 year olds wanting to travel down to Newcastle every other week when they have jobs and other competeting interests.

[sideline88]

They are implementing a tiered system for clubs (starting next year) I havent heard too much detail how it will all work though.

https://issuu.com/northernnswfootbal...cument_-_final

link attached for JDL structure for 2025 and beyond for those that were interested

[Taffy]

Hopefully they will be competitive. Does JDL have tiered comps?

To be tiered supposedly on what level the club is put at, this will have nothing to do with the quality of coaching or of players but rather what the clubs offer, for example to qualify for the top level a club needs each team to have a designated physio to be at each training session and game, seems bizarre since 1st and Reserves are allowed to share a physio but not JDL teams if you want to be in the top tier.

[sapdad]

https://issuu.com/northernnswfootbal...cument_-_final

link attached for JDL structure for 2025 and beyond for those that were interested

Thanks for posting that.It will be interesting to see how it all pans out but good on the federation for setting some standards.The requirement for so many C Licence coaches may push NNSW to make it more practical to get one.It will also be interesting to see how many clubs adhere to the retention quotas.Its not an unrealistic number so shouldnt be too big an issue but I like the idea behind it.

[Largesse]

To be tiered supposedly on what level the club is put at, this will have nothing to do with the quality of coaching or of players but rather what the clubs offer, for example to qualify for the top level a club needs each team to have a designated physio to be at each training session and game, seems bizarre since 1st and Reserves are allowed to share a physio but not JDL teams if you want to be in the top tier.

Sports Trainer is great practically. But that's $400 plus current First Aid and CPR.

C License is great too. But it doesn't cover communicating with kids. The number of intricate football instructions being delivered/yelled at 8-11yos is next level. And what about the core skill delivery aspects of working with kids? Skill development ticket is arguably better for that.

IMHO having criteria is important but preparing clubs to practically deliver on the criteria is just as important and NNSW need to provide their plan to make it happen as well.

[WOW2.0]

Nice to see the standards noted down

...not sure how practical it is to have a unique sports trainer for each team though
(Gold tier club will need to find 8 qualified individuals...(Same for girls if they have them)...that's a difficult commitment to fill, wonder what's the reasoning of not letting them "job share")

Something similar is likley to be coming for YNPL?

Also noting, this doesn't say anything about playing in those tiers, just a status achievement for their respective programs...the reward for the club seems to be extra revenue for having 2 teams/JDL age group (and they'll likely use it as justification for charging more)...northern will obviously sell more C-Licences now

[Hunter403]

.I agree with the lack of 18s teams,its not good enough especially at that age.After 16s theres on average half the playing group that cant get spots in 18s for the following year.Where do all those players go?Why arent clubs who struggle at that age able to find all these kids who get cut?Are there that many that give the game away or is there a better level for them to play at?Do they go straight into ZPL teams?I dont know but would be interested to know what the difference is between NPL 18s and ZPL level for kids of that age.

Ok, as a PYL 18s coach, I will offer my thoughts.
I am out now looking for players from stronger 16s sides for next year. It's not the easiest task for a number of reasons.
1. Clubs will not tell players who is being released at this stage. Not good for morale.
2. Dropping in and approaching players from other clubs is not often welcomed. Some clubs are approachable and others a far less friendly.
3. Some clubs string players along until the last minute. One club last season held onto about 20 kids until the last minute. When they got the axe and they contacted me, my squad was full.
4. Some kids want to try a different sport or have just had enough.
5. Going to watch other games that are scheduled for the same time as mine is problematic.
6. Some clubs will show loyalty to a kid that has played his whole life at a club, rather than drop him for a better player.

In saying all that, if you have a son or know someone that is eligible for 18s next year but is not happy with his current club or expects to be released, send me a message.

[sapdad]

Ok, as a PYL 18s coach, I will offer my thoughts.
I am out now looking for players from stronger 16s sides for next year. It's not the easiest task for a number of reasons.
1. Clubs will not tell players who is being released at this stage. Not good for morale.
2. Dropping in and approaching players from other clubs is not often welcomed. Some clubs are approachable and others a far less friendly.
3. Some clubs string players along until the last minute. One club last season held onto about 20 kids until the last minute. When they got the axe and they contacted me, my squad was full.
4. Some kids want to try a different sport or have just had enough.
5. Going to watch other games that are scheduled for the same time as mine is problematic.
6. Some clubs will show loyalty to a kid that has played his whole life at a club, rather than drop him for a better player.

In saying all that, if you have a son or know someone that is eligible for 18s next year but is not happy with his current club or expects to be released, send me a message.

Thanks for posting that.Pretty much Point 1 is the biggest stumbling block isnt it.Clubs will frown on players putting in an EOI at other clubs before theyve decided what they are doing with them which holds the whole process up.There certainly doesnt look like theres any perfect solution to it.Good luck assembling your squad.

[WOW2.0]

Need a transfer period?
I Just wonder how many 18yos are taking there football seriously by that age.
They know by then that they want to play for fun - All Age, or a bit more seriously PYL.

Transfer window would be good...season is too short to be stuck somewhere sitting on a bench...especially at that age

[Taffy]

I agree after the split should be home and away. Scrap the 3 glorified trial in the preseason cup. This part looks like it ends in mid August

Bring it back as an actual competition. Clubs though like the trials because it means they don't have to organise anything.

[Taffy]

Ok, as a PYL 18s coach, I will offer my thoughts.
I am out now looking for players from stronger 16s sides for next year. It's not the easiest task for a number of reasons.
1. Clubs will not tell players who is being released at this stage. Not good for morale.

Have you guys got an EoI link open for kids who don't want to hang around or believe they will be let go to put in? Surely being told 2/3rds through the season that you won't be playing for the club next year is not good for morale

2. Dropping in and approaching players from other clubs is not often welcomed. Some clubs are approachable and others a far less friendly.

Well obviously that clubs don't want other clubs coming and trying to poach their players. Not that it stops coaches anyway.

6. Some clubs will show loyalty to a kid that has played his whole life at a club, rather than drop him for a better player.

Not sure why this is a bad thing for a club to do.

[Taffy]

Transfer window would be good...season is too short to be stuck somewhere sitting on a bench...especially at that age

They have till 30th June to switch. If you've been sitting on the bench for 4 months (season starts March) then you should be looking around already.

[WOW2.0]

They have till 30th June to switch. If you've been sitting on the bench for 4 months (season starts March) then you should be looking around already.

Didn't know, thanks

[WOW2.0]

Lots of missing games in the Squadi tool...disappointing, I was going to see how the promotion battle was going in Div2