You can take a look at the detailed break down I put into the 2024 PYL tabOriginally Posted by Izzy
You'll find what I said is accurate
You can take a look at the detailed break down I put into the 2024 PYL tab
You'll find what I said is accurate
Looking at Northerns table it appears that they have their ranking based on how difference and not club points accumulated thus far.
Changes a few teams around if go off points and not goal difference in their table
Looks like I will take an L on this one.
Yep, the top 8 is pretty settled now I think. Edgeworth are such a weird one - zero points in the 13s and 18s but right at the pointy end in 14s, 15s and 16s. My son's team played them in the 16s recently, and I reckon they are the most well drilled side, with a real plan and structure. Their coach was way over the top in his yelling at players, but he is certainly getting the best out of them.
I'm sure we all wanted to see after, 2 prior years of promotion/relegation, some changes in who goes up and down
Club championship model prevents that though keeps some underseving teams safe, etc...and ends up in greater cannabilisation of those nearly their teams (in some cases they are "there")
Nailed it.
Although this club championship model isnt perfect its better than what we had before and locally, the system is as good as its ever been.
Not sure how the draw goes if they decided to make individual teams go into different comps.
Back in the day Newcaste had 2 youth clubs in Sydney, bit like coasties have now. Not sure if this would be better or not now.
Last edited by Addios; 14-04-2025 at 10:18 AM.
It doesnt reward or entice that 1 team who have done well & have stuck by a "lower" club but then gets forced into a lower divison to stay with that club.
That's the flaw
I am sure there is a mathematical algorithm that could be applied to marry up a good draw with different teams in appropriate divisions and organise grounds...Victoria does it this way I believe, can't see why we couldn't.
Would help a club build something of themselves
I dont want to have our yearly disagreement on this as I actually agree with you that for a results based experiment it is the fairest way to go.But the logistics and downsides to it dont make it worth the hassle.It wont happen in our current structure.Any new system wont be without its flaws and its always the issue of weighing up what we are trying to achieve in youth football in this city.
No referee or ARs for the U15s and U16s PYL games at Speers Point on Saturday, so a few parents had to do the job. Unbelievable at this age and level.
With the split not that far away and looking at both divisions the team I feel most for is Adamstown?s 13?s. They are 7 from 7 with a goal difference of +36 but because the rest of the club has gone backwards on last year they will end up in Div 3 where it looks like they can compete in Div 1. I wonder how many kids from that team stay next year.
Looking at last year the Buds stayed in Div 2 with 4 teams. They have a full compliment of teams this year and are struggling. Heard they picked up West Wallsends TD and some coaches from last year. I would think if you had ambition and you were Div 2 last year that you would chase TD and coaches from Div 1 not Div 3.
Least their first grades improved for a grand old club
Its actually very believable.We have talked at length about the lack of referees for the last 2 years and the reasons why.For 15s and 16s they would ideally love to have a ref no younger than 17/18 on the game.Kids those ages now are dropping out of reffing due to HSC/Uni, other work, and the fact that if they are players (most are) they are expected to be available both days over every weekend of the season to play and ref.Kids that age have more interests and when the alternative is going to work just to cop abuse from parents and coaches then I can understand why they would rather be going to the beach or the movies or doing any other job which doesnt expose them to being abused.Add to that those age refs are now being offered ZPL gamedays which are better environments (better football/more respectful players/way less parent abuse/better money) the choice is pretty easy for a lot of them.They need more refs desperately,so all they can do is encourage kids to want to do it and do their best to keep the ones they already have.Hopefully theres plenty of kids in your sons team who are refs and everyone else on the forum is encouraging theirs to do it as well.
There were multiple venues where there were no referees appointments on Saturday. Not withstanding sapdads point on referee retention etc, there’s a disconnect between “Northerns referees” and “community referees” where it seems that officials are forbidden from doing both. Additionally the costs to become a referee are ridiculous, if northern and the zones were fair dinkum about getting referees on board they would make it free to register and provide free equipment for refs as well.
Do you think they last the year?
Lots of player movement i think, specially players that think there Div 1 and drop to div 2 post decoupling?
I don't like it not many players play for the club now but this format has created it and you can't blame some kids moving to stay in div 1 specially when there team was competing well but other ages in the club aren't.
Correct.When you register to become a referee you have to choose between Community,NPL and I think back in the day it was ZPL.You couldnt move between the 3 levels.ZPL has been folded into the NPL space now so they share referees but I can only assume once you register for community then you are appointed by the different Football Zone on for matchdays.Im not sure but I was always under the impression that each Zone ran their own referees recruitment as well (could be wrong).I am on record wishing referees could move between community and NPL but I assume the logistics would be insane trying to organise so many games from one location.As for the cost,yes it can always be cheaper and younger kids growing at a rapid pace are replacing multiple shirts and socks several times over the years (to keep all colours available every week).Referees do get paid more than your average weekend kids job though and it is tax free so the net position is generally better long term compared to many other jobs.
Rosebuds 13s have had 3 x 1 goal wins (2 of them against clubs that will be in Div 3) and one 20 goal victory so the stats are a little misleading.Id be pumping the brakes if they think they can compete with the likes of Magic and Olympic just yet.For comparison Rosebuds had a good 13s team last year who were 1 point off first at the break then didnt even make the finals by the end of phase 2.My best advice would be to stick together if they are happy,enjoy their football and grow as a team and individuals.
Last edited by sapdad; 15-04-2025 at 10:28 AM.
sapdad, hopefully they do stay together, from what I understand the majority of the team are from the Rosebuds JDL programe, so you would assume a fair investment has already been made by the club. Some may look for the shiny lights of DIV1, but honestly if the kids are having fun hopefully the parents can steer them away, plenty of stories of kids leaving only to be disapointed the next year.
I wonder how many key players stayed after the drop, shifting clubs mid season, impacting how they went in the 2nd half of the season
It does entice the club to focus on their entire youth program rather than just 1 or 2 teams and ignoring the rest.
People who want the split to be at a team level never talk about what happens at the end of the season and how it will work for the next year.
Latest Div 1 table.
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